Talk:Mega Evolution/Archive 1

Ampharos

This article implies they retconned Ampharos to Dragon-type. As far as I know, he's not; it's the MegaAmpharos who has the Dragon-type... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Oops, didn't notice it. Only if you had reported this 3 minutes ago... TheOriginalOne 14:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

mega evolution

Please add that, A new area called the Master Tower is related to Mega Evolutions. --Viv (talk) 15:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC) add this

Should the abilities be added?

In the chart on the page, should the abilities of the mega evolved formes be added? MrBananaMan212 (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

IMHO yes, at least for abilities confirmed different from the species's regular Ability. That would include:

• Adaptability for Mega Lucario
• Insomnia for Mega Mewtwo

Whether or not to include Mega Blaziken/Mawile/Ampharos/Absol is still a matter of debate. --Stratelier 04:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm uncomfortable with adding Abilities because we don't know if it will be their only Ability, or if their Hidden Ability will be different. I think the info needs to be there, we just need to be careful about it. --SnorlaxMonster 08:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Mega Evolution

For the sake of completeness.... its Korean name is 메가진화 Mega Jinhwa.

• No analysis needed. -- Nick15 (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for minor edits...

The aspect ratio on Lucario's image seems to be off (Firefox reports it as being scaled up to 150x227, correct size 150x138). Can someone fix that? I'm not sure what to look for in the markup, and of course, the page is currently locked. --Stratelier 04:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think it's like that because the picture got updated today. It should fix itself soon enough. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

*reloads image* I see. Much better. --Stratelier 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Um.. I think all of the normal and mega Pokemon's images have been warped by the table. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

No, that's happening to all Pokemon articles on all pages. The staff are updating Pokemon images to make them square so they can be used for something (not yet identified) in the future. For now, they appear as though the old images were stretched into the new dimensions. In time, the new images will properly sync and replace them. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolution Physiology

Should we add the appearance of the Mega Evolution forms to the Physiology section of the pages of the Pokemon that have them? Vienna Waltz (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. The Pokémon probably don't need completely separate articles since it's closer to fore changes than actual evolution. Reign (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

We can do it like how we did the Kami trio's forme difference physiology. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Individual Articles

If there's a page for Mega Evolutions, why do the individual Pokemon articles aside from Mewtwo not mention their new forms? Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

We have to make an extreme amount of modifications to our existing tables and infoboxes in order to accommodate Mega Evolutions. Although we try to be as current and up to date as possible, we also want to only have to mess with the coding for high use templates as few of times as possible, as the wiki will have to force itself to update every single page using the templates, thus causing the site to slow down. We're waiting a little bit to work out all the final kinks to these before implementing them. ^Maverick_Nate 01:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, but couldn't even a mention and link to the article be made in the intro paragraph? Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I will never understand this site's policies... Drake Clawfang (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree. It sometimes seems on wikis (not just this one), that things that would be an easy fix, at least temporarily, until the permanent thing is decided upon are not done, leaving the wiki with outdated information, which will only turn away those who are looking for it, and they will go to other places instead. Furthermore, even though wikis are supposed to be "community encyclopedias", it often seems the mods have all the power in deciding how and when things are to be done, even if several regular users express the wish for things to be different. (Again not talking just about Bulbapedia). I just tell myself it will be fixed eventually, and if things still aren't right, the pages will eventually get unlocked, and I can fix it then. CoolDudeAl (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Maybe everything could be working with just a few workarounds, but there is a reason why we are not using them. Previously, there hasn't been a Pokémon who could evolve two times and then temporarily evolve a third time just for battle and revert back its final evolution afterwards. Because of that, the templates were never originally programmed to support more than what was already needed since there was no point in doing so at the time, in addition to potentially and unnecessarily slowing down the wiki if it was added to the template. This is why we are currently waiting on the updated templates. We don't want to treat the Mega Evolutions like they are just a form change, especially for those who do have a form change already present in the games. Not to mention that we want to have everything looking nice and in a way that doesn't cause interference with other parts of the wiki. Templates can be coded to do events that they normally would not have to do, such as adding an article to a category if a specific value is true or passes a certain limit. The Pokémon articles rely heavily on this so that the information can be easily added, confirmed, and automatically replaced if there is an issue or mistake. In addition, Archaic is the webmaster of the site and is in charge with keeping the site running efficiently. After him are the other Webmasters, Werdnae as the Editor-in-Chief, the Editorial Board, the Bureaucrats, and so on. Likely, the members of the staff had to make a decision when the Mega Evolution were revealed to keep all the articles as close as possible as to how they were until the PokémonInfobox template could be updated to support everything that we now know. That way, everything could be tested and corrected before the games were release and it would be checked to prevent interference with other parts of the wiki. So, I would assume that when October comes around, the new PokémonInfobox template should already be up and running, which is the goal since we want everything running before the games come out. Hopefully, this will be able to explain what is going on in the background and why things are proceeding as they are.  :) --Super goku (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

More Megas

Today the Pokemon website officially released Mega Ampharos, Mega Mawile and Mega Absol. Now could we update their pictures to these instead of the blurry corocoro scans please. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 05:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

They are updated. It takes time for them to update on Bulbapedia. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 05:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

DNA Rainbow

Shouldn't it be noted that the rainbow colored shape above a Pokemon's head while it mega evolves is the same symbol found on the Japanese logo for X and Y? --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 07:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The DNA symbol you speak of is the Mega Stone. Zeta (talk) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Height/weight

You may also note that MegaEvo can change height and/or weight of the Pokémon. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Images

While I know Serebii is widely considered a fansite, he does have some new images of the Mega Ampharos, Mawile, and Absol that are better than the scans. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 15:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The high quality artwork of the Mega Evolutions has already been uploaded to the archives, it only takes some time for Bulbapedia's system to recognize the image changes and display the latest version, thus why you still see the low quality scans. It usually takes a couple of days before the correct versions (the high quality artwork) is shown. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears that images will update when their size is changed, so I made a minor change to the image sizes.--電禅Den Zen 16:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Aha, I see them now. Though, on the topic, I think this might be a better image for Mega Kangaskhan. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 17:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

That's hosted by Serebii; we're not allowed to use his stuff. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well nevermind then. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 18:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Original Ability

Could you put the primary abilities that the Pokemon has before the mega evolution to show how it changes. --Ziggyangelo88 (talk) 09:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

We don't know how having a Hidden Ability affects the change, so they will not be put up right now. --SnorlaxMonster 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

mega evolution seem similar to something else?

Hey not sure if this was the right place to mention this or not, but as a long time fan of Pokemon AND digimon, I cant help but draw similarities between mega evolution, and digivolution from the digimon anime. I only mention this as a matter of curiosity. In the digimon anime, a digimon would digivolve to a higher form during battle, before reverting to they're original form after the battle had ended. I just thought the similarity was worth noting.Silverfin007 (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

It's most likely just a coincidence. They're similar concepts, you know? So unless it's officially stated by Game Freak, that theory should be ignored here, with a possible discussion just on the forums オリジナル TheOriginalOne 15:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

And if it was intentional, Toei Animation would probably sue Nintendo for plagiarism. SeanWheeler (talk) 15:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

It's also similar to characters from Dragonball Z going Super-Saiyan. There's all sorts of things that it could be compared to. Legionaireb (talk) 05:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolving

As we now know that Mega Evolution occurs when a Pokémon able to Mega Evolve holds a Mega Stone and a specific button is pressed on-screen during battle, as proved yesterday on the Pokémon Game Show demo version of Pokémon X and y, in a photo that was taken, where the in-battle button was showcased. Should the text that states - "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and meet a currently unspecified other condition." not be changed to "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and the player must select the Mega Evolution button whilst in battle."--ShinyPatch (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

No. That was a demo. There is nothing saying that it happens like that in the full game. For all we know, the condition is that it has to be unlocked. I don't think that pressing a button counts as a "condition." Ataro (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree, there could be more requirements and restrictions that need to be uncovered first. With something like that it wouldn't surprise me. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thank you. - unsigned comment from ShinyPatch (talk • contribs)

Demo Mewtwo

Has anyone actually gone to the "Pokémon" menu after obtaining the Mewtwo in the demo to see what its Mega Stone is? If they would check its stats to see any increases afterwards, that'd be nice too. I can't seem to find anyone who has, but it seems like it'd be pretty simple to do. For the purposes of getting as much info as possible, perhaps someone with access to a demo who sees this message will give it a try? --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

The demos were only playable during Pokemon Game Show, an event that ended several days ago. I suppose it's worth looking at when the English demo is available at PAX Prime (Aug. 30 to Sept. 2). Basically, I'm trying to tell you, don't hold your breath: if anyone even can do so, it'll take more than a week before they get the opportunity. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You'd think someone would have thought to look this info up when playing the demos. Then again, the demos are bare bone so you likely don't have the option to look at a Pokémon's states. Although, someone could have at least figured out Sylveon's type match up to some extent. Is anyone on the Bulbapedia staff attending the american event? Yamitora1 (talk) 23:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

In this video of the demo, found on Serebii.Net, the player is given access to the "Pokémon" menu, but the player never does so after obtaining the Mewtwo. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 07:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I don't exactly have a GOOD source, but according to one user on GameFAQs (again, this isn't at all reliable), the "Summary" option is missing from the Pokémon that you select in your party. So it isn't viewable, if this guy is telling the truth. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

We'll keep a look out for that and see about adding it once a better source comes along. --Pokemaster97 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Same thing with Mega Garchomp

As I stated for Mega Mewtwo X, I also meant the same for Mega Garchomp

The Seeker (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? What did you state? This is the first time you've posted on this talk page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Pictures for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp need replacements

I don't think my previous comment made it through since someone deleted it. I'm inquiring as the title says. The official Pokemon X & Y website has better resolution pictures of Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp that could be .PNG files. I believe the staff member working on this page can take those pictures and put them in this page for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp The Seeker (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

They've already been updated in the archives. Bulbapedia takes time to update when that happens. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 17:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Also, as you can see from the page history, you never made a previous comment in the first place. We've been having server errors lately, so it's likely that's why you think you made a comment but it does not exist. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Individual articles for each Mega evolution

Should we create individual articles for each Mega Evolution? Since they aren't simple "form changes" like Giratina, Shaymin and Keldeo etc, but a type of evolution, should we treat them as evolutions or should we just put every information on their respective un-Mega Evolved articles? I personally think they could be viable for their own articles if one were to use an altered version of the regular Pokemon pages (like maybe removing sections like Learnsets etc). Angela-Samshi (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think they need their own articles. They really are pretty similar to form changes since they're afaik once a battle and only last in battle. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 19:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolutions are just powered up versions of already existing Pokemon. They are not their own separate species and don't need their own articles. Ataro (talk) 20:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I think they should at least have illustrated sub-sections in the Pokémon's articles, since some Mega Evolutions have abilities different from even their Hidden Ability (like Mega Venusaur having Thick Fat), as well as different stats and specs. Me, Hurray! (talk) 22:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

We are dealing with that. Ataro (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Link template?

Could a link template similar to {{Shiny}} or {{Shadow}} be created for Mega Pokémon? If possible, I would make make the template look like

[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]{{#if:{{{1|}}}| {{p|{{{1|}}}}}}}

The "1" parameter optional so it could be used on Anime episode articles. What do you guys think? - Chosen of Mana 13:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Might be helpful...

It was confirmed that there would be no Kalos mega evolutions, meaning not all starters will get to mega envolve. I'm new dont yell. HoennRemake (talk) 14:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Do you have a link to a source confirming that? Also, people won't yell at you here very often, at the most we will just be really blunt. Comes with the territory of weeding out fan-speculation from the actual facts, as that's what this site tries to focus on. And some people do believe that something that is obvious to them, but not officially confirmed to be true, can pass as a fact; when there is always a chance they can be wrong, but I digress. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It's from a interview with Masuda. I'll have to try to find a link. Not sure if it needs to be noted however. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 21:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! X-D Was wondering where that was mentioned, this is what happens when I try to rely on the news page here for my source of updates. LOL ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

thanks funktastic for backing me up! HoennRemake (talk) 21:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Torpoleon posted this on Pokémon Professor. It's what you're looking for. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Good, thanks. That's all I needed. It now is just a matter of the admins getting the time to add this, but I think they will do that once they get a few more things figured out, including any template updates, 'cause I hear they are trying to sort that out with the way things are changing with the games. (Makes sense, sprites will be replaced with 3D models...maybe, at least for Generation VI and Mega Evolutions might have to be implemented somehow, IDK. That's what I think they are gonna have to sort out along with other stuff.) ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

"Pokémon that Mega Evolve" Category?

• This might be a bit premature, but seeing that not all Pokémon Mega Evolve, should there be a category for all the ones that do? Just a suggestion as well. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 17:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I personally think there should be a category like that, it'd be very useful. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to upload pics here...

So plz someone who knows, add this to the article Sandubadear (talk) 01:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Misleading information

In the paragraph saying that in online battles and the Battle Maison the opponent's Pokemon gets to move first it a false statement. I always lead with my Mega Blastoise there and more often than not out speeds its opponents unless the opposing Pokemon is faster. Also I have watch some wifi battles posted on Youtube and have seen Mega Evolutions move before the opponent.

I think this may need to be changed. --Zdude0127 (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

100 BST increase?

Alakazam's page claims that Alakazam has a BST of 500, but Mega Alakazam has only 590. Assuming that page is correct, this one isn't. Ampharos also goes from 500 to 610. Those are the only exceptions, so it's entirely possible that there was an error calculating them, but I dunno. --Wynd Fox 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

A lot of the Mega Evolutions on this page don't have a picture/sprite for them. Can someone please put them in? Functioning Blaziken (talk) 15:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, those are missing because official art for them hasn't yet been released, so we don't have any. I don't know why we aren't using screenshots, but that's why there's no artwork for them, at least. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Mega Shinys

Has anyone tried mega-evolving a Shiny Pokemon yet? I'm very interested in knowing what happens with that. Legionaireb (talk) 05:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep, Mega Evolutions have their own shiny palettes. Shiny Mega Charizard X, for example, is aqua with red wings. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Garchomp is pink/purple, Gengar is white, Banette's the same as regular shiny Banette. Those are the ones that come to mind. I don't think I've seen the others. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 05:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be worth putting these into the table to show the shiny forms as well as the normal forms?--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 19:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Not at all. Beyond perhaps mentioning that shinies Mega Evolve shiny, shininess is entirely irrelevant to Mega Evolution. If someone really wants to know what a Mega Pokemon looks like shiny, they can look at the Pokemon's page (...once we get Gen VI sprites/whatever, that is). Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Ability of Pokémon before Mega Evolution

We should really have a column in the "Before Mega Evolution" section with the Pokémon's standard in-game abilities listed at the least. Dialgafan1 (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Template suggestion

I know we've been avoiding treating Mega Evolution like "evolution" per se, since it's only in-battle, but even form changes — including only-in-battle ones like Castform's — have their forms listed in the "evolution" template above their sprite galleries. Would it not be prudent to include Mega Evolutions in these templates, with ↔ instead of → and with "Mega Evolution" instead of "first evolution" or "second evolution"? And once we get all the Mega Stone images, we could use those for the icons. Is this a good idea? If not, shouldn't we remove forms like Castform's from the evolution template? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Trivia?

Is it worth noting that Charizard and Mewtwo are the only Pokémon to receive more than one Mega Form? Frozen Fennec 19:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

No. Since there are more than one of them, there isn't an "only". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I meant as in the only Pokémon to currently have two or more Mega Forms available to them. Frozen Fennec 15:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

And he meant that since there are more than one that using the word "only" is incorrect. With how few Pokémon can Mega Evolve, there being more than one that can do something makes it not notable. Glik (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Something unique about Mega Blaziken

Is it trivia worthy to note that Blaziken is the only Pokémon that gained a Mega Evolution and is not found in any of the Kalos Pokédexes? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Given that there's apparently Mega Latias/Latios just waiting to be revealed, I would say no. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 23:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

On the other hand, the article notes Mewtwo is the only Legendary who can Mega Evolve. I guess since the Lati@s Megas haven't been revealed yet? Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This Article is Incomplete??? Also Rest and Sleep Talk work normally

Ok, Maybe its real early here and I can't get my English reading skills up to par, but what the heck is being asked in that Diglet banner?

Also, in case my reading of it was correct, I just taught my Lucario rest and Sleep Talk, and they both work normally. Yamitora1 (talk) 15:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The banner appears to say that we don't know if Sleeping or Frozen Pokémon can Mega-Evolve, and if they can't, if Sleep Talk or Snore would allow a sleeping Pokémon to do so. --Wynd Fox 18:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I know for a fact Paralysis and Sleep has no effect on preventing Mega Evolution. I'm not sure about frozen Pokémon, but the article already states that status ailments have no effect on mega evolution. Also you can choose to Mega Evolve and select the move Sleep talk and it will work as normal. So I think the banner should be taken down. Yamitora1 (talk) 23:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Trivia?

Is it worth noting that even though mega evolution was introduced in X/Y, none of the new pokemon introduced in those games can mega-evolve? Pmawhorter (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)