Talk:Regional form

Portuguese

You can add "Variante regional" for Brazilian Portuguese on "In other languages" seciton. Muriloricci (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is "Regional variant" an official term?

Is this an official term? I know Alolan Forme is, but is this as well?Trainer Yusuf (talk) 12:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ glik^glak 14:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Arbok

Shouldn't Arbok's regional forms be listed here? If I remember correctly, its pattern changes in every region in which it appears. Menace64 (talk) 02:24, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This is a formal thing. If Arbok is not identified as a "regional variant", it's not one.

Also, regional variants are fundamentally pretty significantly different from the rest of their species; they've adapted. Differing patterns is neither significant nor a real adaptation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Variants Should Have Their Own Pages

I don't think it's fair that Alolan variant Pokemon are only side notes on their "normal variant" pages. These Alolan formes are not like Hoopa Unbound or Arial Shaymin. Those Pokemon eventually find ways of returning to their original formes. These Alolan formes are inherent to the Pokemon, they will never change into their "normal" counterpart. They will have different abilities, different move sets, different typings. I think they merit having their own pages. For example keep the regular Ninetales page, and add another one entitled Ninetales (Alola). - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talk • contribs)

We literally have no information about them except for the appearances, types, and some of their abilities. We don't have enough info to have their own pages, and even if we did, it's still a Vulpix, it's still a Ninetails...they aren't brand new Pokémon altogether. --HoennMaster 06:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

We have seen Alolan Ninetales use Ice Beam, at least. Sky Shaymin would make for a fair base, what with Air Slash exclusivity there. Phineas81707 (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

But people give new Pokemon Bulbapedia entries all the time without knowing what their full set list, abilities, evolution levels, etc. are going to be. Bewear alrealdy has a page, so that argument is kind of moot. In the case of Alolan Variants, every time one has been revealed we've gotten typing and even abilities, so we definitely have enough to start building pages for them and then fill them out completely once we know all the details. And yes it is still a Vulpix and Ninetales, but with a completely different appearance, diifferent abilities, I think that if we keep adding variants to the pages of "normal" Pokemon, it's going to start looking REALLY messy. I mean what if two generations down the line there's a ground typed Ninetales, are we seriously going to have all three versions on the same page? Crowded much? - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talk • contribs)

There have already been Pokémon with different forms that had significant differences. They all fit on one page just fine. glik^glak 16:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Fine, whatever. It seems most people are ok with everything being on one page. It seems to me that having regional variants of a Pokemon is a pretty momentous thing, that deserves more of a spotlight, but if no one really cares, then I give up. :P Milotic1209 (talk) 16:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

All Pokémon get their own page. That's why Bewear and all the Generation VII Pokémon have pages already. It's a different scenario. --HoennMaster 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Descriptions

What I mean by descriptions is the explanation that the official website uses for how the Pokémon developed these changes. For example, Meowth was a gift to the Alolan royal line from another region, and they developed a spoiled lifestyle, and then the Alolan monarchy fell, leaving the Alolan Meowth to become feral, and then they became normal Pokémon. So, I'm asking if these should go somewhere on Bulbapedia, and if they should, then where? Here, or on the pages for the individual Pokémon? MarioMiner (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

They're on the species pages (or will be added soonish). Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Generation I only

At the moment, I believe there should be something on the page stating that thus far, only Pokemon from Generation I have regional variants. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

No. It'll be just fine to wait for anything like that until the game is out and we know for sure. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

It was confirmed in a recent interview that all Alolan Pokemon are Generation 1 Pokemon because of the 20th Anniversary, I think it's worth noting that now. TrainerSplash (talk)

Which interview was that? Could you link it here? --SnorlaxMonster 01:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

http://time.com/4536438/pokemon-sun-moon-interview/ Mostly it comes from the quote "we have in the Alola region these specific regional variances of existing Pokémon. A lot of players from the original games will see their old favorites, but with new takes." Superjustinbros. (talk) 05:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Rattata's typing origin for the trivia page

I'm going to post this here since no one is going to look at the Rattata discussion page

In Hawaii, the mongoose was introduced to keep the rat population under control, but the mongoose that they introduced was active during the day. The rat was nocturnal. The mongoose has actually been causing problems for the local bird populations. I first learned about it from an episode of Hawaii 5-0 (Season 4 Episode 2), but here's a little more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Hawaii#Historical_examples Srushj11 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Mechanics

So, for certain Pokémon where only the evolved form is a regional variant (Exeggutor, Marowak, Raichu), do we know the exact mechanics of how this works? Example - would any Cubone evolve into a Marowak at night in Alola, or only a Cubone originating from the region? Further, (and I understand we won't really know this until there's external future games, but it's something to consider) would a Cubone originating from Alola evolve into a Ghost/Fire Marowak in another game? I thought these questions might be helpful in narrowing down some specifics. Mostly, I got wondering about this because I thought the branched evolutions on Cubone, Exeggcute, and Pikachu's page (and their evolution lines' pages, of course) might benefit from specifying "in Alola" or "from Alola". I understand if I'm overthinking this. Draceon (talk) 05:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've heard from other folks, all such Pokémon that are native to Alola will evolve into the Alola Form and all those that the game does not recognize as native to Alola (so either transferred from an older game, or hacked to appear transferred from an older game) will evolve into the standard form. I'm not sure whether this is determined by the black clover or some other method. And I'm just reporting secondhand, for that matter, so I can't confirm for certain. I and/or my source might well have misunderstood the mechanics. Once Pokémon Bank is updated it'll be a lot easier for folks to figure it out for sure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)