Talk:Solgaleo (Pokémon)
Russian name
Hello could someone add that this line to the in other languages section?
|ru=Солгалео Solgaleo|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
--Raltseye 13:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Generation VII Pokemon tag
This page needs to be included with the other Generation VII Pokemon. Lunala should be tagged as Gen. VII as well.
--C.Wallace (Talk|Contribs) 15:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Mythology
It's probably based on the alchemical lion. (http://atlanteangardens.blogspot.com/2014/06/alchemy-green-lion-devouring-sun.html) In alchemical mysticism the lion devouring the sun is symbolism for extracting gold by melting away impurities with acidic substances. - unsigned comment from Zeta (talk • contribs)
Page protection and awful writing
Why is this page protected? What's the point of having a wiki if people can't edit it? The community is not large enough (as Wikipedia's is) to justify only letting admins edit a page, especially when the admins have such a terrible grasp of language. For example, "It may also involve Galileo, an ancient astronomer who believe the Earth rotated around the sun." Firstly, it was slightly better before this edit (although the other changes in that edit were good). Incorporate is a much better word to use than involve. Secondly, there is an obvious grammatical error in the sentence. And thirdly, Galileo didn't "believe" the Earth rotated around the Sun (which should start with a capital in that context); he knew the Earth rotated around the Sun. He worked it out using science. It's a fact and therefore is not a belief. Can someone please either make these changes or unprotect the page so that others can edit (which is the entire point of a wiki)? McLerristarr (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- It is fully protected to prevent users from adding speculation and other unconfirmed information. It is standard procedure when a new Pokémon is released.--ForceFire 03:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, I think the reference to heliocentrism should be removed altogether. After all, it was Copernicus's theory first (and Aristarchus's idea long before that). Galileo just supported and defended it from criticism; he didn't really contribute to it. His relation to the Sun was really just his studies on sunspots. It could, however, be phrased "...Galileo, a famous astronomer who studied the Sun." -- KiANGLO TALK 06:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- There's nothing particularly wrong about the sentence as currently phrased. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, I think the reference to heliocentrism should be removed altogether. After all, it was Copernicus's theory first (and Aristarchus's idea long before that). Galileo just supported and defended it from criticism; he didn't really contribute to it. His relation to the Sun was really just his studies on sunspots. It could, however, be phrased "...Galileo, a famous astronomer who studied the Sun." -- KiANGLO TALK 06:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
The page seems to be protected again, I'm assuming it's because of the new Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon announcements? I wanted to add a piece of trivia to the page that had nothing to do with that, but I can't because it's blocked. --LavaringX (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, it's because of USUM. If the trivium you wanted to add is the same thing you just added to Ho-Oh and Lugia, it doesn't fit our trivia standards because "only one"-type trivia have to be about just one thing, and the one you added is about two pairs of Pokémon. Thanks for your understanding. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Beast that devours the sun
The "beast that devours the sun" line is very, very obviously a reference to alchemy's green lion. Can we add that as a source of inspiration, or is it too based in speculation? Paᗧ•••ᗣck 05:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Considering its steel typing and obvious sun and lion motifs, I'd have to agree honestly. It's pretty heavily obvious that it is based on the alchemy green lion, to at least a certain extent. - 050294 (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed, considering AZ/Project Azoth, the fact that the project was codenamed Pokemon Rainbow (rainbows were a guide in alchemical processes) and the symbol on Litten's forehead - its obvious someone on the creative team at GameFreak is drawing inspiration from alchemical mysticism. --Zeta (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Sun weak to Fire?
Is it worth mentioning in the trivia section that despite being based off of the sun, Solgaleo has a weakness to Fire-type moves? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 18:34, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
- Same as Lunala, I'd say no. It's not notable enough in the slightest to be trivia. And technically there's no reason a Sun-based Pokémon can't be weak to fire. If this was an undersea Pokémon that was weak to water, maybe, but definitely not this. -- KiANGLO TALK 02:57, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's not "based off the sun" though, it is based on the metaphorical imagery representing the purification of gold in alchemy, and it is the sun's emissary not the embodiment of the sun itself. Furthermore, the sun itself doesn't work that way. The sun isn't burning, there's no fire in or on the sun. It is a nuclear fusion reaction, not a burning object. While it may be slightly counter-intuitive for Solgaleo to be weak to fire, it is in no way as strange as people keep making out.Me, Hurray! (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- (To Kianglo) Since we don't talk about Stunfisk, I would say not even that would count as trivia. --Super goku (talk) 03:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- (To Me, Hurray!) Considering how some programs have the sun(light) boost fire-based techniques, not to mention the actual move called Sunny Day and sunny weather in general, I can easily see why it would come off as strange. --Super goku (talk) 03:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Again, it is "the beast that devours the sun, and its the emissary of the sun, not the literal embodiment of the sun.Animaltamer711:02, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Not really sure if you are referring to me or another user due to the comments being rearranged due to a misunderstanding, but here goes. If it is my comment, then you should disregard the Me, Hurray portion and note that my comment is saying that it can be considered strange to other users. If you are not, then you might need to note the user who you are responding to. --Super goku (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Fire-type is not the only type that has been used to represent the sun in the past. Solar Beam, Solar Blade, and Doom Desire are all attacks that use sunlight that aren't Fire-type. The only Fire-type attack that uses the sun is Weather Ball, so Solgaleo actually resists a majority of attacks that use the sun. Skyarrow (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not really sure if you are referring to me or another user due to the comments being rearranged due to a misunderstanding, but here goes. If it is my comment, then you should disregard the Me, Hurray portion and note that my comment is saying that it can be considered strange to other users. If you are not, then you might need to note the user who you are responding to. --Super goku (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Again, it is "the beast that devours the sun, and its the emissary of the sun, not the literal embodiment of the sun.Animaltamer711:02, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's not "based off the sun" though, it is based on the metaphorical imagery representing the purification of gold in alchemy, and it is the sun's emissary not the embodiment of the sun itself. Furthermore, the sun itself doesn't work that way. The sun isn't burning, there's no fire in or on the sun. It is a nuclear fusion reaction, not a burning object. While it may be slightly counter-intuitive for Solgaleo to be weak to fire, it is in no way as strange as people keep making out.Me, Hurray! (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
error on the page
The French name for the radiant sun phase is "Phase Soleil Levant" as announced on the officail french site for sun and moon- unsigned comment from Hades (talk • contribs)
Error
"Along with Lunala, it was initially revealed in May 2016, but officially revealed on June 2, 2016." This sentence in the opening states that Solgaleo was revealed twice. Is that what it is supposed to say, or is it an error? Litwick96 13:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Because the first "reveal" was just Solgaleo and Lunala appearing in a promotional video for Sun and Moon, but their names were not given. The boxart for the games was also revealed at that time, which depicted Solgaleo and Lunala clearly. It wasn't until June that they were given names, though, so that's really the "official" reveal. Nevertheless, this absolutely should be reworded, because the way it's written makes no sense. — KiANGLO TALK 03:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Level up moves
Is it notable for the trivia that solgaleo, lunala and necrozma learn moves in levels that are prime numbers (except for level 1 but all pokemon have to have moves at level 1)? Alondon17 (talk) 21:47, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think so. The exact levels at which they learn moves aren't really that significant. TheDoctorPotter (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
It's also shared by the ultra beasts. I think it's a neat detail Alondon17 (talk) 22:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- For your information. Nescientist (talk) 16:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Radiant Sun/Full Moon
I don't think we should put the Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms here. As Pumpkinking0192 said when I added Reshiram and Zekrom's active forms: "Neutral Xerneas is in the Pokedex. This is not. Only forms recognized in the Pokedex count as forms; everything else is just variants." Radiant Sun and Full Moon forms are not in the Pokedex. --Celadonkey 00:09, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
- On a related note, how do you get them to be that form (excluding Sunsteel Strike and Moongeist Beam)?--Hamfart 12:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Ultra Sun Form
Since we got artwork of Solgaleo's new form after the Direct, should we add it somewhere in the article? I feel like it's too important to leave out entirely. We should at least mention it somewhere. MaddoxTheMudkip (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- We don't know anything about it, other than how it looks. It's unlikely, but for all we know it could be a form of Necrozma, or even a completely new Pokemon. --Celadonkey 22:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Pokedex
Can someone please add in the trivia the fact that Solgaleo is known as a male Evolution of Cosmog (with Lunala being the female one) despite being genderless? Gs22033 (talk) 12:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- That's already visible in the Pokédex entry why would we also put in the trivia section? --Raltseye prata med mej 14:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Shuffle Update
A recent update to Pokemon Shuffle changed some of Solgaleo's stats. In the side game data section, could someone who is able to edit the page change the "max" field to 145 and the "raisemaxlevel" field to 20? VioletPumpkin (talk) 04:51, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Olinda Cat
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Nov/30/ln/ln14a.html https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/03/the-bizarre-mystery-monsters-of-hawaii/ https://www.mauinews.com/opinion/columns/2013/06/the-state-of-aloha/
Do you think that this legend fits Solgaleo's origins? Is this jossed? TwistedMeow (talk) 04:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- ABCs or "Alien Big Cats" are an extremely common cryptid. They're seen all over the world - pretty much anywhere a big cat shouldn't be. I wouldn't think a Hawaiian ABC would qualify as Solgaleo's origin anymore than a standard African lion would. Crystal Talian 22:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
SwSh Moveset Revision?
When I levelled up my Cosmog up to a Solgaleo, it never learned Teleport. Is it just me, or does anyoe else have this problem for their Solgaleo? I`m not sure about Lunala, as I levelled up my Lunala on my copy of UM, so I don't know if this is still the case. I think some research is needed, or at least some evidence (to prove me wrong or otherwise). BlueDecoRoller (talk) 04:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Solgaleo only learns Sunsteel Strike when evolving from Cosmoem, not Teleport. The "Evo." in the level column of the learnset table reflects this. --Wowy(talk) 05:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- I am not referring to Sunsteel Strike, I am referring to the move Teleport. For clarification, my Cosmog did not learn Teleport, and neither did my Cosmoem. I decided to bring it up here because I thought it was more relevant.BlueDecoRoller (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- it doesnt learn it because cosmog has it as a default move at lv1 so it doesnt learn it by level upRoserade57 (talk) 06:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- I am not referring to Sunsteel Strike, I am referring to the move Teleport. For clarification, my Cosmog did not learn Teleport, and neither did my Cosmoem. I decided to bring it up here because I thought it was more relevant.BlueDecoRoller (talk) 05:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Alchemy theory for Solgaleo and Lunala origin sections
I’ve got a theory I feel is worth mentioning here, partly my own partly information I’ve gathered from another theory, but I believe that the 4 alchemical stages of the Magnum Opus, the transmutation of silver into gold (the green lion eating the sun is metaphor for transmutation into gold, or something along those lines, so I believe there’s a connection there) are inspiration for Solgaleo and Lunala’s colour schemes. Albedo means whiteness, Solgaleo’s colour, and Wikipedia says “The phase is concerned with "bringing light and clarity to the prima materia (personal material)“." Nigredo means decomposition or putrefaction, with a theory I’ve read linking the “decomposition” to Lunala’s ghost typing, which I believe is plausible, in combination with the other origins of its ghost typing in the origins section for Lunala. Furthermore, citrinas means yellowness, which corresponds to the Radiant Sun and Full Moon phases having a strong yellow glow. Finally, what I feel is the bow on top of everything, is rubedo, or redness, the colour of the shiny forms. Again, I don’t want to take complete credit for this theory, but I do strongly believe in its accuracy, especially given the other alchemical references in Gen VII.
Anhedonic Author (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
