Talk:Version-exclusive Pokémon

Hey guys!

Remember how this page used to be about how certain Pokémon were missing from certain games, and how it confused the hell out of everyone? Yes? Well, thanks to The Trom's efforts, we've hopefully fixed that. The page now lists Pokémon and marks which versions they are or aren't available in. For more information, check out this discussion. ---((Marton imos)) 12:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

New discussion

Looks good but even the not available boxes for the mystery dungeons link to the pages.--Mister E 13 16:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

That was a design technique of Jioruji Derako. It's the same for all boxes on this page. Available or not available, they all link to the page. — THE TROM — 21:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Coulda' sworn it wasn't like that before but if they're all like that then it's OK. Some other templates that use a similar system might have to be changed though. (ie. Move Tutors)--Mister E 13 23:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

G instead of B

Anyone have any problems with it as it is? The note is clear enough that Green means US Blue and Blue means the Japanese one? TTEchidna 04:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

This is great. The entire article is 100x better. The design just feels more welcoming. I'm ashamed I didn't think of this style before. As for the G/B thing, I think it's rather clear. MK 15:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Emerald safari zone vs. Birds and Regis in Pt

Why is it we have the Emerald safari zone ones outside of the table, yet for certain Pokémon in Platinum, we mention them when both groups require the national dex?--Mister E 13 22:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

We can blame me for that. Because of the approx. 30 Emerald exclusives, I decided just to list them, or the table would be larger than the warnings previously here. Platinum didn't have as many exclusives as Emerald so I put them in the table. — THE TROM — 08:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Possible other tables

It might be helpful to have a table to show Pokemon completely unavailable in certain generations without trading with other generations (e.g. Mewtwo for Generation II, or Larvitar for Generation III). Perhaps even a table of those Pokemon to appear in every version of the game without trading might be interesting, if somewhat less useful. I admit, I can't really be bothered to do this myself at the moment, but I could later. Idantlol 22:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The reason we haven't got these listed (particularly for Gen III) is because of the sheer amount of Pokemon excluded in the Hoenn games (see HDex). And typically, starters and legnedaries cannot be obtained in other games than their originals. — THE TROM — 06:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Even so, it isn't an impossible task to list 186 pokemon (if we include Jirachi and Deoxys). If the worst comes to the worst, you could just make a separate page for it. As it is, it can be quite a hassle finding information on where some pokemon are actually found. Idantlol 18:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Seedot in Sapphire and Lotad in Ruby?

The article claims the following: "Surskit can be found in Pokémon Emerald, but only when the TV says they're swarming somewhere. Through the same way, Lotad and Seedot can be found in Ruby and Sapphire, respectively." The second doesn't seem right to me. I have played pokémon Sapphire for over 700 hours (I know, call me lifeles) and I have never met any Seedot swarm through the tv (I did see surskit and skitty swarms however). Also I looked it up on internet and I didn't find any info about seedot being catchable in Sapphire or Lotad in ruby. Even great sites like serebii.net never mention it and just say that the only way to get seedot in sapphire and lotad in ruby is by trading them from the other version. Mijzelffan 17:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You need to mix records with someone from the other game. — THE TROM — 02:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I have done that like fifty times with ruby players, sapphire players and emerald players. Can't someone upload a screenshot or a link to a video for evidence or something? Mijzelffan 11:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

HG/SS Version Exclusives

Hey I was browsing around the Net and Serebii just made a list of the version exclusive Pokémon. I don't know set the chart of them up. Could omeone do it, or tell me how? ♪♪Shiny Pachirisu :) ♪♪ 19:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Any news if they are going to pull the American swith-a-roo with Phanpy and Teddiursa like in Generation II?Zabbethx 21:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

None yet. —darklordtrom 21:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Generation II: Japanese or American list?

The Gen II section opens with a comment explaining that the Pokémon exclusive to either Gold or Silver are reversed between version when you compare the Japanese to the American. However, it doesn't point out which nation's list is presented... Help? Doctorhook 01:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

it quite obviously states that "in the Japanese versions, they ae the opposite" which must mean the lists are according to the English versions. after all, this is an English wiki. -- MAG NE DETH 01:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's an Idea

Even though that Latios and Latias are not true version exclusives because of the hacking or events, people can mistake them as version exclusives, but my plan is to mention this in a short paragraph with the intention of reducing confusion, but I need some input to see what other people think of this, though I do know what I will write about this. -Tyler53841 20:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Missing from the List

I don't know for sure, but i think Mr. Mime and Mime Jr. are exclusive to Diamond version (they may be in platinum, i'm not sure), but i know they're not in pearl. At the same time, Bonsley and Suduwoodo are only in Pearl Version(again, i don't know about platinum) I hope this helps:) - unsigned comment from Canus albinus (talk • contribs)

You can get the respective pre-evos in the Trophy Garden... and Mr. Mime is in Platinum, it's somewhere around Route 218. Sudowoodo's on 221 in Platinum. So they're in all the games. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 16:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokewalker

On the event Rally and Sightseeing courses, the player can get Sableye and Meowth respectively on both versions, though these are normally exclusives. Should this be mentioned? Jmvb 13:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it. It's the case for lots of Pokéwalker courses... in fact, you can even get Pokémon you shouldn't be able to catch until after the National Dex. Maybe mentioning how the Pokéwalker changes the availability of Pokémon, but I wouldn't go beyond that. ʝɑzzmotɦ _❝❞✎ 16:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon White

Isn't the BW version exclusive list a bit... big? It seems kinda confusing. Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a separate list for all the White Forest exclusives? We don't seem to include Pokémon that are found in Emerald's Safari Zone in Ruby and Sapphire's list. PDL 02:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Definition of version-exclusive Pokémon

Version-exclusive Pokémon are Pokémon which can be obtained in one game but not another when the games are in the same pair/triplet, without intervention from another game other than another of the same game. Events and the Dream World are not counted in this. It has nothing to do with wild availability. Cranidos and Shieldon are version exclusive, as are Persian and Primeape, despite not being available in the wild. Glitches are excluded completely. If you want to debate this, reply below. --SnorlaxMonster 06:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Strongly agreed. Quite honestly, I'm not sure Monmen and Churine should even be listed as such, as you can get the other one via an in-game trade. Unknowen900 06:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the same goes for Volbeat, which can be obtained in White by breeding Illumise. Is it OK to remove them? XVuvuzela2010X 08:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

If we remove Monmen and Churine and leave a note, the same should go for Volbeat. --SnorlaxMonster 12:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd just like to note that I noticed a typo I made in the original definition, so have changed it. Basically, it means that trade evolutions are OK because you can interact with a game as long as it is the same game version. --SnorlaxMonster 12:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

If you're insisting on having a whole table for White Forest Exclusive Pokémon...

At least fix it so that the field for Pokémon Black doesn't show up in the table. It's pretty much unneeded otherwise. Also, add one for Emerald's Safari Zone exclusives as well. PDL 20:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I added a table for Emerald's exclusives, but it's still not looking too good with those redundant fields for Ruby and Sapphire in them... PDL 20:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I think long lists look better in tables than in text. If you don't like the template being redundant, you can use something like the one on BW's page, which is where I got the base code from, from where I then modified the list to look like all the others on this page. --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Colosseum/XD Version Exclusives

Should a list for Pokemon only available in these games be added? Basically, Espeon, Umbreon, Ho-Oh, Lugia and Bonsly. I don't know if there are any others. XVuvuzela2010X 22:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Bonsly shouldn't count because it cannot be caught, and only Ho-Oh and Lugia should matter since Espeon and Umbreon can still be found in the Gen. III handhelds. Just with different methods is all. -Tyler53841 22:14, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough on Bonsly, but Espeon & Umbreon cannot be found in the handhelds at all without trading with another version, as Eevee is only available in FireRed/LeafGreen, and cannot evolve into those two in those two due to the removal of Time. XVuvuzela2010X 22:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I am thinking of finding a way if possible to modify the locations on their pages to display this fact like "Trade as Eevee from FireRed and LeafGreen", but I haven't had much luck on that. Other than that I agree with your idea on that.-Tyler53841 22:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Volbeat, Monmen and Churine

Why were they added back? They are not version exclusives. They are obtaiable in both Black & White. XVuvuzela2010X 10:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, I got mixed up with the Black & White page. But they should still be removed, since they are not version exclusives. XVuvuzela2010X 11:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Genesect

The Shock Drive and Burn Drive are exclusive to Black, while the Chill Drive and Douse Drive are exclusive to White, thus making Genesects "forms" version exclusives (without trading the items), but should they be included here? XVuvuzela2010X 21:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

That is a very interesting point. Maybe since Genesect is not a true "Version Exclusive", but it's form is diffrent it should be mentioned on one of the trivia points below the version exclusive list for Generation V. That's just my idea. --Pokemaster 97 21:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon

Is it possible to evolve Porygon in Red Rescue Team? If yes, then Porygon2 isn't fully version-exclusive, since in Red Rescue Team it could be obtained by evolution (if it's possible to evolve Porygon in that game). Marked +-+-+ 08:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Porygon can be evolved, but Porygon 2 still counts as a version exclusive because either way you need a wondermail code in order to get one of them in the other version. Just like evolved main series Pokémon are listed, despite being able to evolve them from their pre-evolved forms - because a trade must be done at some point to get them. Werdnae (talk) 22:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

M14

It has version exclusives, should they be added? Since there wouldn't be much point in making a page only for anime exclusives.

Black Hero: Zekrom

0506		Lillipup	Normal
0509		Purrloin	Dark
0510		Liepard	Dark
0522		Blitzle	Electric
0523		Zebstrika	Electric
0546		Cottonee	Grass
0547		Whimsicott	Grass
0550		Basculin	Water
0553		Krookodile	Ground	Dark
0566		Archen	Rock	Flying
0567		Archeops	Rock	Flying
0579		Reuniclus	Psychic
0580		Ducklett	Water	Flying
0581		Swanna	Water	Flying
585S	Deerling	Deerling	Normal	Grass
586S	Sawsbuck	Sawsbuck	Normal	Grass
0592		Frillish	Water	Ghost
0593		Jellicent	Water	Ghost
0614		Beartic	Ice
0626		Bouffalant	Normal
0630		Mandibuzz	Dark	Flying
0641		Tornadus	Flying
0644		Zekrom	Dragon	Electric

White Hero: Reshiram

0508		Stoutland	Normal
0519		Pidove	Normal	Flying
0521		Unfezant	Normal	Flying
0548		Petilil	Grass
0549		Lilligant	Grass
550B	Basculin	Basculin	Water
0555		Darmanitan	Fire
0576		Gothitelle	Psychic
0585		Deerling	Normal	Grass
0586		Sawsbuck	Normal	Grass
0592		Frillish	Water	Ghost
0593		Jellicent	Water	Ghost
0627		Rufflet	Normal	Flying
0628		Braviary	Normal	Flying
0631		Heatmor	Fire
0642		Thundurus	Electric	Flying
0643		Reshiram	Dragon	Fire

XVuvuzela2010X 18:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I think this would be a good idea. --SnorlaxMonster 08:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Sawk and Throh

Following the links on their pages to each location they are allegedly available in, each lists Sawk as Black-exclusive and Throh as White-exclusive. There is no other information on how to obtain them in the Game Locations sections of their pages. If this is true, they should be added to the exclusives list. Otherwise, something needs to change on their pages. AsbestosBill 20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, hang on, Sawk and Throh are version exclusive. However, this article does not state this and nor do their respective articles. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I've made the necessary changes to the three articles. I am 100% sure they are version exclusive as I have never found a wild Throh in my Black and each Route article and location article lists them as version exclusive. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Dammit, sorry guys, I missed the parts about them being found in rustling grass and have undone my edits. >_> ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

You know, we should have a section for Pokémon with differing encounter rates in each version, like Nageki and Dakegi have. Or give it its own page. XVuvuzela2010X 21:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Scyther and Pinsir

This page says that Scyther and Pinsir are both available in Blue Version, but both of their pages say they are unavailable in the Japanese Blue. Which is correct? Pokemega32 06:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed the same is true for Magmar. The page for Blue reflects Scyther and Pinsir being available in Blue, but Magmar being unobtainable Pokemega32 06:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

English Blue version exclusives are the same as Japan's Green Version. Scyther, Pinsir and Magmar are all available in the Japanes Blue Version--Force Fire 07:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you completely sure about that? Both Magmar's page and the Blue Version page say that Magmar is not available. I just want to be sure there isn't any misinformation on here. Pokemega32 08:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh. Well in that case... *fixes error*--Force Fire 08:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Latios/Latias in RS

I'm wondering if some note should be made about those two? Technically you can obtain both in one version, however, this requires the use of an outside event. The same goes for HGSS, actually. It doesn't have to be added to the table, per se, I just thought it might be worth noting. But maybe people feel otherwise? platinatina (talk) 00:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Seedot, Lotad and Surskit vs. Regice and Registeel.

So how it goes? Both require interaction with another game, and I just realized it's a mess for these, because in the first two' articles they're version exclusive (Surskit is Emerald's swarm, so it's a different tale), but for the last two, it doesn't say that. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Move to "Game-Exclusive Pokémon"

I don't necessarily agree with this specific name as this will make it sound like you can only obtain that Pokémon in that specific game and none of the others. But it changes from generation to generation. That was just my initial thought on the matter. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 15:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree that "game-exclusive Pokémon" is misleading. It may be more cumbersome, but I'd suggest some variation on "Pokémon that do not appear in all games in a group" (since, for example, it's not just generations; we also separate RSE from FRLG, DPPt from HGSS, and BW from B2W2). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:27, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I suggested the move because it appears to be the official name. I'd rather keep it at this unofficial name than try and create some weird conjecture from "Pokémon that do not appear in all games in a group". --SnorlaxMonster 19:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah! Didn't see that there was an official name. Well then, yes, I can't conceive of a legitimate argument against moving it eventually. It's just a matter of how long we want to wait to observe the official usage to ensure that it's not just a slapdash term on that page that is replaced by something else on another page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Can anyone find a second source that uses this phrase? If so then I would be in favor of the move since the word "Version" is already outdated by now (no Gen VI game uses the term anymore). Blueapple128 (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Friend Safari

Should it be noted that in X and Y, version exclusives can be found in the opposite version in the correct type Friend Safari sometimes?BraviaryGirl23 (talk) 00:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

There's a typo

In the Generation II section, it says that "Ekans and Sandslash can be obtained in Silver and Gold respectively as prizes from Goldenrod Game Corner". The prize in Gold is Sandshrew, not Sandslash.

AllAreEqual (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. --Abcboy (talk) 20:27, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Kakuna can only be found in Wild for X, and Metapod can only be found for Y

Save for Friend Safari, of course, but that only counts for Kakuna. This should be listed here, alongside the version exclusives in Friend Safari. Trainer Yusuf (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Gen I In-Game Trading Pokemon

Of the four Gen I Pokemon only available through trading (Gengar, Alakazam, Golem, and Machamp), you can get Golem and Gengar in the Japanese Blue Version and you can get Machamp in all releases of Pokemon Yellow, all through in-game trades.

Should someone add those three Pokemon to the Gen I list, since they technically are exclusively available in those games? PalletTownie (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Example error

The example at the top of the page currently states that players of Pokemon Ruby will be unable to obtain Mawile. I'd change it myself, but I lost the edit button. Phineas81707 (talk) 06:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Remoraid in Pokemon Crystal

Remoraid is catchable in Pokemon Crystal on route 44 with the Super Rod. Alexlatham96 (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)Alexlatham96

The Route 44 page doesn't say it's available. What evidence do you have that says it is? Litwick96 21:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The page is right. It looks like Remoraid can't be caught in Pokemon Crystal, I confirmed that. Other pages say Remoraid is catchable on Route 44 with the Super Rod, or by checking the swarms, but that looks to be incorrect. - unsigned comment from Alexlatham96 (talk • contribs)

Renaming back to Version-Exclusive?

In a recent Sun and Moon trailer, it refers to Game-Exclusives as 'Version Exclusives.' (Specifically, it says 'A Sneak Peek at Version-Exclusive Pokémon!'), implying that it's officially known as Version-Exclusives in english. Should the page be renamed to reflect this again? Pokemonred200 (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I'd support that, since it's been officially referred to as such in a trailer. It also makes more sense - version is more specific, and already carries the implication of being in the same generation. Draceon (talk) 18:00, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I also like that idea. GM_3826 (talk) 12:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Strange that this discussion was abandoned. I do agree. I also feel like there’s a rules conflict between “Please discuss on the talkpage” in the template, but also the practice of “no replying to conversations older than 6 months”. Should I spin my comment off into a new section to resuscitate discussion?--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

The talk page policy reads "Unless an old conversation is still relevant and there is a good reason to revitalize discussion, comments on sections older than six months old should not be made." I see no confilict, I'd argue that an ongoing move discussion is necessarily still relevant. Nescientist (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

It's worth noting that this page was originally moved to "game-exclusive Pokémon" because that term was used officially. Although "version-exclusive Pokémon" does have more recent official use, and is probably the more common term amongst the fandom. --SnorlaxMonster 03:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

So let's move it already! "Game-exclusive" has only ever been used to refer to X and Y's version exclusives. Everywhere else used "version-exclusive." Honestly, I don't think we needed to move page for what X and Y called it. Though I guess we would have only known the term would only be temporary in hindsight. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this page should be moved back to its original title. "Version-exclusive" is both the common fan usage and the more recent official usage. bwburke94 (talk) 03:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

People have discussed moving this page since 2016 with seemingly no objections. Can we get someone with the permission to do so to actually move the page? Kauli (talk) 16:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Merging the lists of Gen 5 games?

Would it be better if the four games have the same chart for Gen 5 Pokemon so that one can see which Gen 5 Pokemon are in B/W but not in B2/W2 and vice versa? (Zorua, Zoroark, Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus) Then there can be one more list for each pair to show the version-exclusive pre-Gen 5 Pokemon. - unsigned comment from ‎Fortranm (talk • contribs)

...I don't see the advantage of that whatsoever. Every other section is in pairs/groups, so mashing two groups together seems like it'd be far too cluttered. And having separate lists for Gen 5 Pokemon and pre-Gen 5 Pokemon is really, really not part of the intended scope of this page at all. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:17, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

B2/W2 are the third version of Gen 5 in a sense even though they are direct sequels to the first paired version. The first paired versions and the third versions are listed together for all first 4 generations. The format I proposed is just like the format for RSE. - unsigned comment from ‎Fortranm (talk • contribs)

They're really not a "third version", they're a new, separate set of additional versions. Third versions generally copy the original games' story and wild Pokemon distributions with only small alterations here and there, while in B2W2 these have been entirely thrown out and new ones created from scratch. You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Stantler in Pokémon Crystal?

Stantler is obtainable in Pokémon Crystal,but the page is saying that it is not possible to get a stantler in Pokémon Crystal. - unsigned comment from Eduardo390 (talk • contribs)

Stantler is not listed here as it can be obtained in GSC and is not exclusive to any of the three games and being excluded from another game. Frozen Fennec 22:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Because i Fixed this! Eduardo390 18:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC-03:00)Brazilia

Not sure what you are referring to. You have made no edits to this page or Stantler's page. Page appears to be fine as it is. Frozen Fennec 21:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Version-exclusive

I think we should rename this page "Version-exclusive Pokémon" as even the official Pokémon YouTube channel uses the term, as seen in this video: https://youtu.be/m8lfI66T5II - unsigned comment from Alolan Ninetales (talk • contribs)

Note: there is already a discussion about this three sections up. Nescientist (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Lycanroc in Gen VII

I feel that we should list Midday Lycanroc and Midnight Lycanroc as exclusive to Sun/Ultra Sun and Moon/Ultra Moon, respectively. I just tried to evolve a couple Rockruff in Ultra Moon. One evolved into Midnight Lycanroc perfectly fine, but the other wouldn't evolve at all. I found a Reddit post addressing this exact same issue in Sun and Moon, and the solution was that Midday Lycanroc is exclusive to Sun, despite daytime existing in Moon, and vice-versa. Shall I go ahead and update the page accordingly? Knowitall (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

The evolution methods are game exclusive in SMUSUM, but the Lycanroc forms are not. It is still possible to catch wild Midday Lycanroc in Moon/Ultra Moon and vice versa. --AmbientDinosaur (talk) 07:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)