Talk:Akari (game)

Character Age

I recently made an edit saying that Akarai (as well her counterpart, Rei) is at the age of 15, base don Cyllene's statement. This was removed because it's not a clear as to what their age may actually be and is just an assumption on Cyllene's part which is understandable, there's nothing explicitly stating they 15 years old. However, Selene and Elio's pages also state that the characters are "around 11" based on an observed assumption from Wicke. I think the pages should be more consistent with one-another, and I suggest that Elio and Selene's pages be edited to remove their ages that they are 11, or edit the pages to suggest that Rei and Akari are "around 15" like the other two pages. TrainerSplash (talk) 23:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I think listing their ages as "around 15" would be fine, as long as we're not explicitly stating that they are 15. --SnorlaxMonster 05:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I feel it's better no not have them listed at all for either one, which I have gone ahead and removed the ages for Elio and Selene. And to a lesser extent, I believe this could also apply to the Trial Captains as "11-19" is also not a precise answer, and is simply an observed assumption gathered from two lines of dialogue. Inkster (talk) 19:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no "ifs, ands, or maybes" for the trial captain ages, the two dialogues are explicit enough to give an age range.--ForceFire 05:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd argue any sense of a solid number is fine enough, even if it's "around 15" or "around 11" as it gives the reader a good understanding of what the role they're playing as is and an idea of how old they are. They wouldn't say it in game if it wasn't important, and I think such information should be treated as important even if it's slightly vague. This isn't like the case with Lillie who was described as "around the player's age" on the Sun and Moon website, which doesn't even indicate an age range. TrainerSplash (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Cyllene actually said the player LOOKS 15, which doesn't mean they actually are. And didn't I mention I've already removed Elio and Selene's ages for consistency since you said it was inconsistent? - unsigned comment from Inkster (talk • contribs)

In Pokemon we rarely get precise confirmation of characters' age. If someone is stated to be around certain age, it's good enough to add it.--Rocket Grunt 14:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Akari isn't even stated to be around 15. And yet you take it as concrete confirmation.- unsigned comment from Inkster (talk • contribs)

That's just an unnecessary scepticism. In real life we wouldn't take such claims seriously, but Pokemon doesn't even have consistent enough timeline so exact numbers between events are rarely relevant. Look at it this way: it's a concrete information that was stated and we are supposed to know that information in that form. Giving source and exact dialogue lets readers interpret this for themselves however they feel like and it clears any ambiguities. It would be insincere to omit hints of the character's age if that's all we have, because that's what the authors intended for us to know.--Rocket Grunt 13:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I see. And that reminds me, a revision from Calem and Serena's articles pointed out that in the Japanese version of X and Y, Emma (whom is 16 years of age) refers to them being older than her. Going by what you said, wouldn't that make the two 17+? Inkster (talk) 20:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

After some thinking, Calem/Serena would actually be 17-18, given that Mimi is afraid of grown-ups, meaning they can't be older than 18.Inkster (talk) 01:23, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

The fact this edit warring still persists says a lot. The game explicitly confirmed they are 15, why is it that hard to just mark it as "15" and leave it as final? Inkster (talk) 11:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

(Resetting indent). The character’s ages were removed again despite moderators and other users being chill with it. Once again this is creating inconsistency between pages on what should be allowed or not. Lillie’s page mentions her being “~11” (around 11) included with a source from a website. Selene and Elio’s pages just state “11” with their sources saying “around 11”. This is getting frustrating that the information here is being presented but only counts for certain characters, which is it? Writing it down as definite, “around” (which was the original suggestion) or not at all for *any* of these characters? TrainerSplash (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Age 2: Electric Boogaloo

Isn't it the general concensus that Rei and Akari are explicitly 15? Last time I checked, even 99% agreed on the last topic that they were that age. Inkster (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

General consensus is not citable "fact". As was mentioned above "around 15" should be fine with a citation of the line that's apparently already mentioned on the page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I never said anything about adding "15" without a citation. Inkster (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

But there's not anything to show that she's "15" (period) either. She's "around 15" at best. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Than why isn't it on the articles? - unsigned comment from Inkster (talk • contribs)

And the "X bears a striking resemblance to Y of the modern day, but the relationship between the two, if any, is unknown." is unnecessary and unneeded. If we don't know the relation, we just don't know. Inkster (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

If you're telling me to add it, I will do that when I'm feeling in the mood to take up a few tasks (including this) in a while. (You could also do it, though.) If you're truly asking why...IDK, that seems kinda unknowable when so many people have theoretically had the opportunity. =P

I feel like if you leave off "the relationship is unknown", the rest is just begging the question. I don't think it's really a big problem. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Fine. I'll add it myself. Inkster (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Inkster, dude, you've been editing nothing but things relating to these characters pages for over 2 months now. You're essentially causing an edit war with not only other people but also yourself (and it's now causing problems, with Rei's age so you're not even bothering to update that one). What do you want to do with these pages? Because it's pretty clear everyone else has made up their mind with the situation despite granting the okay (and understanding) and you keep editing despite those. TrainerSplash (talk) 06:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

voice acting

roxie sings in gen 5 tho?Roserade57 (talk) 07:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, I don't think we know if it's specifically Roxie or Billy Jo singing. Secondly, we don't know how those samples were taken unless it's they were credited to do those samples (it's very possible they were stock samples), meaning they weren't specifically assigned to be the role of Roxie in the video games. I went ahead and reverted the edits for now, but I'm willing to discuss this further. TrainerSplash (talk) 03:37, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

(Assuming this is about * Akari and Rei are the only characters in the core series to have voice acting.)

What about Pikachu? It's voiced by Ikue Ohtani in a lot of games. Nescientist (talk) 09:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Rei and Akari are the first voice-acted characters in the core series, (besides Pikachu in Yellow and Eevee in Let's Go Eevee) and this is indisputable. A voice sample is not voice acting. There are no credits for VO in B2W2, and Hitomi Sato herself has said that she doesn't even remember the people that recorded those original samples at GAME FREAK. Crowd chants in SWSH are credited as "Voice" and the Voice Acting in PLA for Akari and Rei are "Voicework." Additionally, Virbank Gym is counted as a song on the official Super Music Collection for B2W2, it's just an arrangement of the Gym theme from Red & Green with vocal samples. Lewtwo (talk) 16:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The song is presented as a diagetic performance, it is clearly the intention that it is Roxie's voice. When you beat the drummer, the male vocals and drums are dropped from the track because he's longer performing; when you beat the guitarist, the guitar drops. It's just the bass and Roxie's vocals over the RG gym chiptune, which then stop when you talk to her. It's not just background music like when Elesa takes the stage in her gym.

Not remembering who recorded the vocals doesn't mean they came from a random sample library. Not being credited doesn't mean the vocals came from a random sample library. Professional voice actors will go uncredited in works if their work is deemed too minor. If your job is character modeling but you help the sound department by banging a metal sheet for a couple seconds, you're not going to be credited as a foley artist. Additionally, there's three dozen people in the Special Thanks of the credits. glik^glak 20:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, the entire song was rearranged from RG, that doesn't make it chiptune. Secondly, diegetic music =/= voice acting. Voice samples do not equate to voice ACTING. Thirdly, samples recorded at GAME FREAK do not make it voice acting, they're still just samples recorded in-house. Professional voice actors DO go uncredited in many works, but B2W2's credits assert that there are NO voice actors, not even a section, unlike PLA. Special Thanks is irrelevant and unquantifiable. Additionally, this would still not make Virbank Gym the first instance in the series to have voice samples within game audio. Giddy in the Mauville Pokemon Center of RSE can produce human-sounding speech through samples. Village Bridge has a vocal layer over the background music that is tied to an NPC. Even if I am to grant your assertion that samples = voice acting, or audio from the Super Music Collection = voice acting (????) this is still patently untrue. Why not agree with the assertion taken by the game than one that (you) made up? Lewtwo (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)