Talk:Vitamin

"Vitamin" accuracy

You call Zinc, Calcium, Iron VITAMINS? They are elements, metals, not any "vitamins". Well, Pokémon Fans don't have to be perfect in chemistry but calling them vitamins means COMPLETELY NO KNOWLEDGE! --Maxim 17:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sheesh, calm down Maxim. Carnivine

"Vitamin: Any of a group of organic substances essential in small quantities to normal metabolism, found in minute amounts in natural foodstuffs or sometimes produced synthetically: deficiencies of vitamins produce specific disorders. Examples include Retinol (Vitamin A) • B vitamins: Thiamine (B1) • Riboflavin (B2)• Niacin (B3)• Pantothenic acid (B5)• Pyridoxine (B6)• Biotin (B7)• Folic acid (B9) • Cyanocobalamin (B12) • Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) • Ergocalciferol and Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D) • Tocopherol (Vitamin E) • Naphthoquinone (Vitamin K) • Calcium • Choline • Chlorine • Chromium • Cobalt • Copper • Fluorine • Iodine • Iron • Magnesium • Manganese • Molybdenum • Phosphorus • Potassium • Selenium • Sodium • Sulfur • Zinc •"

Don't flame people, especially when they know what they're talking about. Many vital minerals required for the human body ARE considered vitamins. --Zeta 17:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record, if you're reading this - I really don't like the tone you've been taking with people lately - both in the forums and on the pedia. Going around yelling at people in a constant rage is not acceptable behavior. --Zeta 17:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Nooooo, minerals are microelements and macroelements, not vitamins. --Maxim 17:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Reguardless, they are referred to as vitamins throughout the games. So there. ^_^ --Paperfairy ☆ ・ 18:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Paperfairy is right. So is Zeta. Maxim, you are really too angry at other people. So please stop yelling at everyone who doesn't think the exact same way you do. Carnivine

Carnivine, you're annoying, too. Because you're still questioning me. That's not your problem Carnivine. I know I'm not perfect and you DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME THIS! The thing YOU do is equal to minimodding on forums! And it's considered as WRONG! --Maxim 18:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

All I'm asking is for you to just relax and stop yelling at everyone, including me. Carnivine

This discussion is over. Regardless of what they are in the real world, they are Vitamins in Pokémon. Any efforts to change the page otherwise by anyone will be dealt with harshly. --Argy 03:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Rare candy = revive?

Is it worth noting that when a fainted pokemon is given a rare candy, it gains actual HP by the amount max HP goes up, meaning a rare candy can serve as an emergency revive in a desperate situation? --Kendai 10:52, September 9, 2007

Well, so would an HP up, sometimes. T T Echidna 05:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is the type of thing that can easily change between generations since it's not intentional, but i think i tried HP up in gen 3 to see if it worked, and it didn't i'll probably need to check again though. --Kendai 8:17 September 12 2007

nope, HP up doesn't work for some reason. i also tried evolution stones, no actual HP gain, just raised max HP. though this is spread among enerations, i recently tried the HP up in pearl, and a while back i was trying stones in emerald. --Kendai 18:19 September 15, 2007

I think i got off track though, i was mainly asking if the fact is noteworthy. Does anyone think it's worth adding? --Kendai 00:00 September 19, 2007

Hp up = what?

What happens when you are using Hp Up? I have tryed it several times and haven't seen any change. Jacce 13:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

It Makes HP Go UP Cal05000 19:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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It won't work if your Pokémon's stats are exceeding a certain amount, if they have really high HP already, etc. Hard to explain. er1hp streak 01:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Rare Candy, based on Rock Candy?

Whilst playing Earthbound the other day I was wondering whether it would be worth mentioning that the item Rare Candy might be based on the item Rock Candy from that game.

The Rock Candy was used quite similarly to increase hp/pp stats after when leveling up.

I thought there might be a connection, after all Creatures Inc. who makes the Pokemon games was previously Ape Inc, responsible for Earthbound.Chary 20:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Rock Candy is actually a real sweet, you get it a lot down where I live, but it's more commonly called just "Rock" down here. ~~Takoto - サソデイ 22:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, rock candy is real, but we're talking about the item from Earthbound. Rare Candy is probably not based on real rock candy, since Rare Candy looks like a typical hard candy and rock candy is a bunch of sugar crystals on a stick.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Rare candy with box trick

Can the stat flaws caused by rare candies be remedied with the box trick? - unsigned comment from Sebb (talk • contribs)

You would probably be better off asking this question in the forums.--Boywonder01 17:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Evolving Pokémon with Rare candy

Currently trying to determine, can a rare candy be used to evolve a Pokémon if the Rare Candy puts it on its proper evolution level? Wojjan 16:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Meaning if you give a level 35 Charmeleon a Rare Candy, would it evolve? Yes. Unless you cancelled the evolution. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for checking it out, I think we could add this to the description of the Rare Candy Wojjan 11:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

But... it's what normally happens. It raises it a level. TTEchidna 18:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yet Day-Care also levels Pokémon, yet they don't evolve there. I do think that one line in the description couldn't hurt here. - unsigned comment from Wojjan (talk • contribs)

Not needed. End of story. ^ht 14 23:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This should be revisited, because the level up stuff from Join Avenue don't evolve Pokémon.--Chris Broach (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Stat Lowering?

My friend had used 4 PP Max on his EV Trained Espeon's moves. Afterwards, for some reason, it's speed stat was less... ...Do PP Up's/Max's lower the stats of Pokemon? ~m190049^~talk 03:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

No. "Your Freind" was lying. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Locations?

can someone please update this page with locations some of these can be found/purchased or IF they can be purchased. Specifically I would like to know IF PP Ups can be purchased anywhere and/or maybe a few examples of where they can be found... -- D558 05:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Prizes in the lotto. Have fun. TTEchidna 05:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Happiness

Would Rare candy put up happiness by 4 rather than 2 (2 for the level up/ 2 for the vitamin) --TiT An 10:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Bump--TiT An 09:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to bump this question. Do all items on this page up the happiness, or is that effect limited only to the six EV-boosting items? ~ Serial Colour 01:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

On the case of Japan's version of the "Vitamins" and real-life relations

Should it be worth mentioning that the vitamins in the Japanese games' case (Taurine etc) are possibly chosen as they are commonly found in small bottled energy/health drinks in Japan (which themselves are very common and can be bought in supermarkets, department stores, convenience stores, etc)? HechEff 04:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

EV-enhancing

I'm just curious if Macho Brace and Pokérus are multipliers on the added 10 EV's if so this might be helpful information for those looking for a faster way to EV train. -Giantmongoos May 2010

If I remember correctly, held items such as the Macho Brace only takes effect in battles. As a result, EVs earned from vitamins are unaffected by such. HechEff 07:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Drinks

In HGSS, the man selling them at the Safari Zone Gate calls them "Drinks" or "Pokémon Drinks". This is consistent with points raised elsewhere on this talk page. However, the page for "Drink" is currently used by a page detailing items such as MooMoo Milk and Fresh Water. Should this page be merged into that page? Or should it be made into a new page, such as Drinks (medicinal), Medicinal Drinks, or something else? I think something needs to be done: as it stands, the page title is a misnomer, and I say that having referred to these as vitamins for the longest time. --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that too and considered something similar, but these items were previously vitamins, so they can stay here. If they were moved to Pokémon drinks, what would we call drinks? I say we redirect Pokémon drinks here, then leave a note, and leave a note over at drinks - unsigned comment from SnorlaxMonster (talk • contribs)

Perhaps a disambunction page would be better. A page that links to Drink and Vitamins so people searching here wont have to type in Pokemon drinks. Pokemaster97 02:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

But they are still vitamins. The others are drinks, these are Pokémon drinks. There is no need for a disambiguation. --SnorlaxMonster 02:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

That's okay then Pokemaster97 02:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

In HGSS

Recently while training up another Pokémon, I found that my Lv. 100 Machamp was still able to take vitamins despite being Level 100, which I know in Platinum made it so Pokémon wouldn't take more vitamins regardless of EVs. Was this feature first implemented in HGSS, and if so, should it be mentioned somewhere? --River Aura 04:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? Pokémon can take vitamins at level 100. I tested this in Diamond and SoulSilver, and the both work the same way. Unfortunately, I don't have any level 100 Pokémon in Platinum to test this with, but I would be very surprised if it didn't work the same way. --SnorlaxMonster 06:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe I already had full EVs or something. I didn't think I did, but it's a possibility. Never mind, then. --River Aura 23:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

What level to should I give my Pokémon vitamins at?

Does it make a difference if one were to give a Pokémon vitamins at a lower level rather than a higher level? Whereas these items can increase a stat only till it hits a certain EV level, would it not be more profitable to give a Pokémon as many vitamins as possible while it has low EV in order to get maximum use therefrom and still have many levels for it to gain additional EV through battles? Also, it may be worth noting that (at least in generation one), starter Pokémon cannot take any vitamins other than PP up and rare candy. (Bug Maniac 21:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC))

For these kind of tips, go to the forums. I do not believe that last statement is correct—most likely these Pokémon did not have any room left for stat experience. --SnorlaxMonster 04:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Over 100 EVs

If I were to use a vitamin on a Pokemon with, say, 96 EVs, would the EVs be raised to 100 or 106?- unsigned comment from Mhinkle64 (talk • contribs)

I just tested this, the vitamins cannot make a stat go over 100. Even if your Pokemon has 99 EVs in Attack, a Protein will only raise it to 100. Schiffy (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

PP Up in Stadium

For some reason, Stadium failed to read it properly. Click. Marked +-+-+ 11:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Rare Candy a vitamin

Should Rare Candies be considered vitamins? Because according to The Official Pokémon Handbook, Rare Candies aren't considered vitamins. Pgj1997 (talk) 11:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Rare Candies are not vitamins, and it has been on my to-do list for a while to break them off into their own page. --SnorlaxMonster 12:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

How?

This is probably just me being stupid, but how do you use these? I have a Talonflame that, when used through the bag, it says "It will have no effect." Is it something with Talomflame's types? Or am I just blind and not using it correctly? --Sam bam 124 22:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The first paragraph of the "Effect" section ends: "only working if the EVs of the stat raised are less than 100, and if the total EVs are less than 510." So your Talonflame just has too many EVs already. —Minimiscience (talk) 22:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Page move/definition

I don't think this page should move.

The biggest reason: I believe "vitamins" is the much more used/recognized term among players, so it would be much preferable to not move the page.

Otherwise, the officiality of "vitamin" was in some question, but...

The section above would suggest that the term is used in The Official Pokémon Handbook, and that it applies to both the "nutritious drinks" and PP Up/PP Max. (It'd be nice if someone could check it...but I'm not gonna hold my breath.)
In EP092, Nurse Joy gives Lapras some unnamed vitamins ("Chansey, some vitamins please."; and the bottle looks exactly the same as when she gave Magikarp "calcium tablets").
In BW070, the stat enhancers are also collectively referred to as "all six Pokémon vitamin drinks".

Moving the page to "nutritious drink" presents significant problems. Mainly: the reason given for moving the page is that the games have consistently used that term since Gen IV, but that only applies to the stat-boosters. Where the stat-boosters say "nutritious drink", PP Up/PP Max instead say just "medicine" (but on the other hand, the Japanese (ORAS) descriptions don't say "medicine" or "nutritious drink" or anything, they just describe the effect, so maybe they should be "drinks"), and Rare Candy is quite explicitly not any sort of drink.

Now, that kind of raises the question of whether we should be calling anything but the stat-boosters "vitamins" or "nutritious drinks" or 栄養ドリンク. Or maybe Rare Candy doesn't belong on this page. Part of me thinks strongly that it should just be the six stat-boosters. (The simplest justification for that is the usage mentioned above in BW070.) Another part of me, though, looks at the items' sprites/artwork and has to recognize that PP Up and PP Max, at least, strongly resemble the stat-boosters (and PP Up/Max aren't really any more different from Protein/etc than HP Up is). But lastly, all the items currently on this page have the same effect on friendship when used.

...In short, that last is kind of a messy question. But, regardless of how that might be answered, for the reasons I gave above, I still think "vitamin" is the better option.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

In that case, a title of "Stat-boosting items" would cover all bases perfectly. I questioned the sources for "vitamin" since none were provided despite insistence from almost 10 years ago that the games used the term, which has insofar proven to be false (and the anime is not the same canon as the games so we shouldn't conflate them). As to Rare Candy, someone already has an idea of what to do with it.

Could you provide an example of the descriptions in Japanese ORAS?

Additionally, you can't present "vitamin" as the English name of 栄養ドリンク since the English games use the direct translation. SatoMew2 (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't think terminology is something that "canonicities" should necessarily get in the way of... But either way, we can at least say: if the anime uses a recognized term, that's definitely notable.

PP Up: ポケモンが　おぼえているわざのうち　１つの　ＰＰのさいだいちを　すこし　あげる。 (Which, actually, is basically the Gen IV/V English description.)

Honestly, "nutritious drink" really isn't a great "official" term anyway (IMO). Not that my opinion necessarily counts for anything, but IMO it's not an ideal translation of 栄養ドリンク. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

"Nutritious drink" seems to be the official name of the 6 stat-enhancing items on this page. Rare Candy definitely doesn't belong here, and the fact that PP Up/PP Max are not called "nutritious drinks" indicates they might not either.

"Stat-boosting item" is incredibly vague, and would easily include Wings, Power items, and the Macho Brace. It could also refer to held items that boost stats, since it's not clear that it's a permanent enhancement. Furthermore, if we were going to go that route, the more officially-based "stat enhancers" would probably be better, although I imagine that's not a term they use anymore because it also includes stuff like Wings.

The Official Pokémon Handbook's usage is mostly colloquial (and also mentions minerals), so I wouldn't suggest using it unless we have nothing else to go off of (which is not the case here). --SnorlaxMonster 06:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

This glossary on the official site refers to them as vitamins. --SnorlaxMonster 11:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Imma close this discussion, given that its been stagnant for an extended period of time, and can not forsee there being much prospect for moving the page at this time. The terminology and the use of the vitamins in official contexts such as here in addition to these items being officially classified as such in the official glossary should be enough to keep the page where it is. The justifications cited for any alternative names well predate any official use cases. 4iamking 19:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

"In the TCG" table needs an update

Hi, new here and a LONG time since I've done any wiki editing, which is why I'm pointing it out rather than fixing it myself -

Primal Clash is 2017 Standard, so the very last entry in the "In the TCG" card table should have a white background, not blue, shouldn't it?

Hyacin (talk) 22:47, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I just bit the bullet and did it myself, also cleaned up additional JP entries that weren't showing previously

Hyacin (talk) 12:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Locations

I think that, for this page in particular, "Various locations" just doesn't cut it as a location entry. While "various locations" works fine for common items like Poké Balls and Antidotes, PP Ups (for example) are rare enough that, I feel, exact locations should be listed instead. See Talk:Exchangeable item for precedent. --Felthry (F.K.A. Xolroc) (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Rare Candy as Vitamin? (Revisited)

I noticed that there was a thread almost 8 years ago already agreeing that Rare Candy is not a vitamin. Since then, Candy has been introduced as a category of its own. In that case, is it safe to assume that all references of Rare Candy should be removed? TehPerson (talk) 06:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Limits

How do the limits on the vitamins work? Suppose you give protein to a pokemon with 98 attack EVs, would its attack increase to 108 or just 100 in the generations where the vitamins have the limit of working up to 100 EVs? A similar question could be asked about the 510 total limit Veex (talk) 22:57, 3 January 2021 (UTC)