Talk:Pokémon LEGENDS Arceus Super Music Collection
Composer/Arranger/Motif Credits (Note from OP: Please Disregard this Section)
I think it's worth writing down Composer/Arranger information the way that it's done in the booklet that came with the SUPER MUSIC COLLECTION. The reason for this, is that there are certain complexities this soundtrack has in terms of credits, that the other soundtracks lack. For example, the booklet says that the theme "Noble Pokémon's Arena", is arranged by Hitomi Satō, based on the Opening Movie theme from Diamond and Pearl (which is composed by Junichi Masuda and Gō Ichinose, arranged by Gō Ichinose). However, whoever has written up this page, has given the "Noble Pokémon's Arena" the credit "Composed by Junichi Masuda and Gō Ichinose, Arranged by Hitomi Satō" as a result of this, which is not entirely right, since the section of "Opening Movie" that this theme is based on, is not a section that Junichi Masuda had worked on in the "Opening Movie" theme (infact, the only reason why Masuda is given compositional credit in the "Opening Movie" theme, is due to the fact that the "Title Screen" motif from Pokémon Red and Green is referenced, however the rest of "Opening Movie" is purely an Ichinose composition). I think to prevent accidentally creating misconceptions like this, it would be best to write down the credits for this soundtrack, exactly how the booklet does. Which in this case would be.
Disc 1
| CD No. | Track Title (Japanese) | English translation | Composition / Arrangement / Based on |
Duration |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 33 | キング場 | Noble Pokémon's Arena | Arrangment: Hitomi Satō Based on: "Opening Movie" |
1:22 |
Additionally, the booklet has sometimes credited a staff member as a composer of a theme, even if they weren't the original composer of the theme that it's based on. For example, Jubilife Village, has the credits, "Composer: Gō Ichinose, Based on: Jubilife City from Pokémon Diamond and Pearl". Now whoever has done this bulbapedia page, has of course given Hitomi Satō credit for this composition, since she did indeed compose Jubilife City's theme. However, there's a reason why the booklet said Gō Ichinose is the composer. Jubilife Village is not a 1:1 remaster of Jubilife City, in the way that remakes redo music. It is an entirely new composition, simply based on motifs from Jubilife City's theme, which is why the soundtrack has given Gō Ichinose credit for the composition, while citing that it is based on Jubilife City's theme.
Disc 1
| CD No. | Track Title (Japanese) | English translation | Composition / Arrangement / Based on |
Duration |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 | コトブキムラ | Jubilife Village | Composition: Gō Ichinose Based on: "Jubilife City(Day)/(Night)" |
1:22 |
Basically how you interepet the credits in the booklet should be:
- If there's a Composer and Arranger stated (ie "Beginning): This is no different to previous Super Music Collections, and can be tabulated the same way.
- If there's a Composer and Based on stated: This is an entirely new composition, based on ideas from another theme, and so should be tabulated as (Composer:, Based on :)
- If there's an Arranger and Based on stated: This is a direct remix of an existing theme, however it may only be a snippet of an existing theme, so it's not safe to explicetly state the original composer (especially if they were too, like in my example of "Noble Pokémon Appears" above), and so should be tabulated as (Arranger:, Based on:)
I hope this is taken into consideration
Livra (talk) 11:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
A lot of what I've said here turned out to not make sense (The stuff about the Opening Movie theme notably - I realise now the entire thing is an arrangement of title screen from Red and Green) So please disregard this header
--Livra (talk) 15:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Track translation
There's been some dispute over track titles and I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what the relation is with Masters. Pokémon Masters EX has remixes of certain tracks from the core series, these tracks are usually named differently but similarly to those used in the core series, and thus those names should not be used as a basis PLA's. However, As of a recent update, that jukebox feature allows you to look at the song titles that the tracks are composed from, and those original titles are the Super Music Collection names and the proper titles of the songs from the original games. For example, "Battle! (Hisui Warden)" is the name of the track titles from Pokémon Masters EX used for battles with the wardens and clan leaders, this is not the track title for the song it originates from. But the track title mentions it is a remix of "Battle! (People of Hisui 2)" the proper name of the track from Legends: Arceus. If there's any disagree with this it should be mentioned and alternative should be figured out, "don't use names from masters" doesn't seem like a good reason out of context.
Secondly, the English translations used on the tracks are based on context of previous super music collections not direct (this can also be discussed here), an example being, tracks directly translated as "Ending" in Japanese were always renamed as "Ending Theme" in English. The usual "Battle!" title for battle themes is also different in PLA, but the same word is also used in the Kanto-based games' OSTs and those were translated as "Battle!" in English as well as this is also consistent with the above mentioning of Pokémon Masters and how those tracks were handled. I currently moved some of the tracks back over to how Masters/SMC handles the names for consistency, but I'd like a discussion on if we should be more direct with the translations or not. TrainerSplash (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
