Talk:Blanche

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https://nintendosoup.com/pokemon-go-team-mystic-leader-blanche-confirmed-to-be-non-binary/ the use of they/them pronouns confirms Blanche to be non-binary. Pikachu210 (talk) 17:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Everyone knows that official sources use "they" to refer to Blanche, even the article mentions that. But saying that Blanche is non-binary based only on this is jumping to conclusions. It would be fine enough if NintendoSoup was an official source, but as far as I know it is only a fansite interpreting official material. Furthermore, this conclusion is somewhat contradicted by the designer's statement that Blanche's gender is "whatever impression or feeling you get from the design", which clearly suggests that his intention was to leave Blanche's gender ambiguous, without forcing any gender identification (neither "male", "female" or "non-binary"). I think "Unknown" reflects the designer's intention better, at least for now. --Maxim (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
The initial reveal of her at Comic Con made it pretty clear. "We're debuting for you the leadership of Team Mystic, and her name is Blanche."--Arkz (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
The "her" in that article is not a quote from the actual reveal. --Abcboy (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I will say that nonbinary does carry a lot of weight as a term of identity, as in "people use it as a label for gender identity. However, it and genderqueer can also serve as umbrella terms for people outside of the binary of "male or female". There's a lot of words for people outside of the gender binary, but nonbinary/genderqueer are the most easily recognizable to the average person, in my experience. if we can assume a character is female based on her using she/her, I think we can assume a character is nonbinary based on them using they/them. Emphasis on character, not in real life. If someone uses she/her in real life, she might not necessarily be female. But in fiction where these things are intentionally shown/given/etc. to indicate character is X without going out of its way to go "character is female", then it's likely a writer is using pronouns as a shorthand to a character's gender identity. Granted, there are issues with the "she/her is female, etc. for other pronouns" thing, see: Ogerpon is female but is referred to with it/its, as minibug pointed out. She also pointed out that if we switched from a gender field to a pronoun field, we wouldn't be the first wiki to do so, but I digress. Alternatively, non-binary with the hyphen emphasizes the "not binary" of "nonbinary", and maybe distances itself from the more popular formatting of "nonbinary" for the gender identity. Welkamo (talk) 22:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Linking relevant forum discussion (feel free to share any longer/in-depth responses there) Landfish7 23:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
We're not in the buisness of going on assumptions, and we really dont generally state genders unless they are stated in varifiable form in official media. As far as i'm concerned, the current "Gender unknown" or "Gender undefined" is fine, when gender is ambigious as is the case with Blanche. In other words, without official media stating outright that Blanche is non-binary, this isnt something we should infer. 4iamking 23:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply