Talk:Ash's Donphan

Hmmm... If Donphan's Ash's only Ground-type (since he never caught Larvitar in a ball), does that mean that Misty technically never owned Togepi? TTEchidna^G_SDS! 20:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

What? What do you mean? That, Misty never captured Togepi, 'cause it hatched from an egg? I guess didn't understand. -File:Ani038MS.gifうずまき ハルカ 20:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No, Larvitar was never considered "his" because he had more than six Pokémon at the time. Togepi was Misty's because she never had more than six when it was on her team (at least that we know of). --PAK Man ^Talk 21:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, guys, I mentioned in the trivia section that Ash's Donphan is the first baby pokémon raised by Ash's Friends to be caught in a poké-ball by one of the group in it's introduction, and also added in that Togepi didn't count since it was never placed in a pokeball.

Speaking of which, PAK, about what you said about Larvitar not being his because he already had 6 pokemon by the time he raised it, then wouldn't that mean that Haunter was actually Ash's? (since at the time, he did have 5 pokemon in his party [remember, Ash had only just released his Butterfree at the time]) I mean, By the logic you used to prove that Togepi was Misty's despite never being caught in a Pokéball, that would mean that Haunter was Ash's pokemon all along.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Ash could have had a second Ground-Type if he caught Hippopotas, but he still could if a Hippopotas appears in the new Hippowdon episode. File:Ani006MS.gif Charizard and Lugia Rule! File:Ani249MS.gif

Should the trivia section about Ash's capture of ground Pokémon be updated with Gligar being his second ground Pokémon, or is too soon? I'm new here so I don't know about the wiki's compliance with spoilers. --JennyRogue

Image captions

Microsoft Word says that the image captions are not sentences, so please stop re-adding the periods. 0° 21:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Yea, you are correct about the first two cpations, but what about the third? Isn't that technically a sentence??? --Theryguy512 21:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

And you're gonna listen to a computer program? Anyways, it say's they're fragments, not "not sentences".--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 21:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Then wanna go change every single other image caption on this site? 0° 21:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You used to fight for the periods being added. Why the sudden switch? ^Maverick_Nate 21:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I guess you are right 0 degrees. Sorry to cause the disagreement. --Theryguy512 21:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The periods end the thought, so I think they should stay. ^Maverick_Nate 21:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

"Every other caption" is inaccurate.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 21:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Mav: But periods are for sentences. 0° 21:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Cold: Maybe not every caption, but most. 0° 21:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, beg to differ. No periods for captions. They're the pic description. Did Da Vinci write: Mona Lisa. ? Seriously... ^ht14 21:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but you're wrong. A sentence is a Subject and a Predicate. Let's grab an example.

"Donphan using Hyper Beam"
Subject: Donphan, Predicate: using Hyper Beam.
Thus:
"Donphan using Hyper Beam."

=/ シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 09:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

However, a sentence also needs A COMPLETE THOUGHT!!! And anyway, in your 'Donphan using Hyper Beam' example, the predicate is in the wrong tense. In order to be a sentence, it would have to read 'Donphan used Hyper Beam.' --Theryguy512 15:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"Donphan using Hyper Beam" is hardly a sentence. "using Hyper Beam" isn't even a predicate; a predicate needs a verb, despite what anybody says otherwise. One can argue that "using" is a verb, but in present tense, you would need a helping verb (is using) or make it a different form of present tense (uses). So if you replaced the subject, it wouldn't be "I using Hyper Beam," it would be "Me using Hyper Beam," and that completely goes against the laws of grammar because "me" is an objective pronoun, not a subjective. Therefore, "me" cannot be the subject of this so-called sentence, meaning "Donphan" would also not be the subject of the original example, leaving the "sentence" a fragment. Therefore, this paragraph is confusing.

But to be honest, having the periods in captions is merely personal preference, as almost everything is. ~ overgrown_sol 03:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Tense doesn't matter in a sentence. A sentence can be in more than just one tense. "Donphan using Hyper Beam." is a complete sentence because it does state an entire 'thought'. It is Donphan. And Donphan is using Hyper Beam. That's all there is to it, making it complete. A complete thought and a complete sentence at that. So, no, it's not just personal preference. It's grammatically correct. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 03:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

And I suppose "Him using a pencil." and "Me eating lunch." are complete sentences too? And you can easy replace your example with "It using Hyper Beam."

So I guess I should go around saying "Bob using a pencil." and "Bill eating lunch." in my essays at school and when I'm confronted about fragments, I can use your excuse that it "has a subject" and it "has a predicate" and it "states an entire thought". >> ~ overgrown_sol 03:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, now you're just being ridiculous. Secondly, "Donphan using Hyper Beam." =/= "Me using a pencil". There are such things as tenses. "I'm using a pencil." is the same as saying* "I used a pencil.", both of which are complete sentences. In conclusion, tense =/= a sentence. It's how you use the tense. So instead of overreacting and saying things you have been saying, take it logically.

*Not the same, per say, but it's similarly used.

シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 03:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

"I'm using a pencil." would not be a sentence without the helping verb "am". And "used" is in past tense and can convey a complete thought. ^Maverick_Nate 04:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

"I'm using a pencil." is a contraction of "I am using a pencil." which is the equivalent of "Donphan is using Hyper Beam.", which is the complete sentence & doesn't break any grammar law. "I using a pencil" is the equivalent of "Donphan using Hyper Beam", which does not need a period since it's not a sentence without verbs like am/is/are. Taken from your logic. We don't add caption "Donphan is using Hyper Beam." ►Ҝəυzø8 04:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, even then, Donphan using Hyper Beam is a complete sentence, since it finishes a thought. Perhaps my example wasn't the best, the example still =/= the caption. However, both are still complete sentences. Also, 'using', when taken into the context, is very much a verb, which completes the predicate. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 04:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Using is just a gerund without a helping verb in front. The helping verb is what makes it a sentence. Gerund does not equal a verb. Gerunds cannot take the place of verbs, and do not make a complete thought. ^Maverick_Nate 04:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

That's not true, as a gerund word can take the place of a verb. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 04:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think he meant it can't take the place of verbs and still keep it a complete sentence. ~ overgrown_sol 04:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh. . Well, I still stand by what I've been saying the past. . *counts* 5 posts. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 04:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I did research on how to punctuate captions.. from the Chicago Manual of Style. ►Ҝəυzø8 04:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but one Internet source isn't very reliable. =/ シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 05:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't take a maths major to figure out that one source is more reliable than no source. Incidentally it is considered standard on Wikipedia to have no periods for non-sentences in image captions. See here. *ignores scorn for citing Wikipedia* :p — THE TROM — 05:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's a little quote from said article. "Most captions are not real sentences". Most. Not all. Most. The captions in question are complete sentences. So, yeah, that article really proved nothing at all. =/ シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 05:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)