Talk:HM slave

can anyone give me a list of HM mules?

Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that Gyarados and Bibarel can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. Mew, of course, can. --TTEchidna 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --Maxim 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -ルカリオ 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. Theininen 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Page name

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

~~~~. System Error 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - Jonah 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -ルカリオ 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--Goukazaru 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. File:Ani197MS.gifMidnight CelticFile:Ani148MS.gif 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Defog?

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? File:Ani197MS.gifMidnight CelticFile:Ani148MS.gif 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC) Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. Sylari 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm GoldsWigglytuff

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --The Great Snorlax 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Question.

Is there anything besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? TTEchidna 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's Smeargle... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until Generation II.. - _s.Combusken 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

There's also Arceus in Generation IV...ShadowLugiaEx 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Dragonite

Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). King Neoterikos 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)