Talk:Ash's Pikachu/Archive 2

PIKACHU'S GENDER IS NOT CONFIRMED! DO NOT POST ABOUT IT!

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Ability

Pikachu's ability isn't unknown! Remember in the episode when Ash's Pikachu's static (um... not exactly paralyze) Roark's Rampardos! --Metagross72 05:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

...why are we even thinking about abilities in the anime? --((Marton imos)) 05:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think Pokemon could potentially have both abilities available to their species or even none at all. It doesn't follow the games that closely, so there's no way we can confirm that that is the case. Gastlys mama 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu only has one ability. --Metagross72 02:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

In the anime. It can also Combine with Swellow to turn into a flying bird of electricity.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Counterparts

We could have a section for counterparts to Ash's Pikachu, for example, Sparky, Silver's Chikorita, Aoi's Shinx. I'm pretty sure there are more, and I think this might be worth including on this page. Just a thought! Gastlys mama 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, not in Pikachu's article. There are WAY too many in my opinion. That's basically almost every Pokémon that a trainer started w/ in the anime. Good thought, though. --Catu the Cat 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Not big things

Hi guys! I have 2 thigs to say! 1. I don't understand the last trivia fact about Pikachu being ash's only pokemon... etc, could somebody explain this to me? maybe it's a error and should be erased. 2. We all know that Ash's Pikachu has never been on its poke ball not even once, well only in that movie, but my point is that would Ash's still have that poke ball? You know, when he goes to a pokemon center we don't see that unique thunder poke ball of pikachu (because he is always outside of it), so I don't know, why carrying it around if he doesn't use it? if you think this last thing is stupid well then don't pay attention to it. =)YukitoOoO 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh man! i just finished checking the page and saw the that poke ball and there it says that ash carries it around all the time just like it had posted this haha mmm so nevermind!YukitoOoO 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't he look cute?

Um,excuse me,but her exact line was "You look so cute",in the english version. Is that line from another languages version? Lovely Rose 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• sigh* I know exactly what you mean, Rose. In my opinion, we shouldn't be caring anymore.

I'm afraid to say that this gender debate is just... pathetic. It's kind of sad the way this debate has gone on as long as this, as if its an important election. I really need an explanation as to why the large amount of male evidence isn't enough to confirm the gender of a CARTOON mouse. Why do we need someone to tell us? Aipom puts on a dress, and its a female. Pikachu puts on a kimono... OH NO! That doesn't mean its male! Pikachu puts on a maid outfit and looks embarrassed. NOPE! Not yet." Jeez.

The female evidence is absolutely terrible. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender? Pokémon can regonise the gender of other Pokémon, as can animals. For example, Pokémon know that they have to be with a mate of the opposite gender to breed, otherwise they will refuse. Therefore if Buneary is female and it wants to mate, then Pikachu being female would be disturbing. And the idea of Misty featuring Pikachu in dresses... it's a joke in Misty's girlish mind. Does this suddenly mean it's female? I bet even if we saw a female Pikachu in the anime with a heart-shaped tail, this website would still stubbornly say "Pikachu's from Kanto. Gender differences don't apply". And does Pikachu have to be a girl to rival with Bayleef? Is that a scientific fact? No.

I really, really wish they would just confirm the gender as male. Because it is. I know I shouldn't be posting about this because its considered an "offence" to vote, but it would be really good if a regular would just say "Ok, everyone. Ash's Pikachu is male. Thank you". Almost everyone else considers this. Yeah. User:Dusknoir477 11:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

>> I think Pikachu is female..But,anyway,can I delete that line from the article,it's incorrect,see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZkdgsgzP8&feature=related. I tried deleting it before,but it looks like it's back up Lovely Rose 02:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I watched it, you're absolutely right, May doesn't refer to it as a male. But that doesn't mean it isn't... I don't think I'll ever be convinced that Pikachu is a girl, because I've always known it to be male. I'm sure lots of people considered that, and therefore, that's one of the big reasons why I think its male; because so many fans picked up vibes that it Pika was a boy, it must be so. Also, I've got lots of Pokémon books from my childhood; all of them say that Pikachu is a boy in them. One was a novel of the first film that I bought for my younger brother, which says this so explicitly its as if the book is trying to side with me. Creepy.

I still can't think of any good reason why it would be female. I can counter all of the female evidence on Pikachu's article.

1. Although its true that Pikachu is from Kanto where all Pikachu of both genders have "male" tails, now that gender differences have been introduced, we can forgot about that now. The world of Pokémon is always changing and contnuity is always corrupted, and regarding certain things like this is the only way to fix it. And no, its tail would not have changed into a heart if it was female. Jeez, if only gender differences were made ages ago, we wouldn't have this problem!

2. Misty picturing Pikachu in dresses. Well, firstly, Misty is a girl. Secondly, Misty likes Pikachu, and would want to picture Pikachu as a girl. Thirdly, Misty's visions were her point of view and not part of the continuity. Basically, almost nothing can be drawn from this evidence. In that Miltank episode, Pikachu felt uncomfortable dressed as a maid, so therefore, from Pikachu's point of view, it doesn't like dresses, meaning that it most likely isn't a girl.

3. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender is the dumbest piece of evidence that I have ever, ever heard. Come on, really. I would like to take a little moment to explain real game "love" physics. :P Say that there is a large group of male Mamoswine and a larg group of female Mamoswine in a blizzard. The members in both groups would like to start families with each other, but they can't because in each group, each member is the same gender. So they don't mate. Then, both groups see each other and form a larger group of both genders. Now, they can mate and can start breeding, because there are both males and females, meaning plenty of Swinub eggs will be laid.

So, one must come to the basic conclusion that, if a female Buneary is perfectly capable to fall and love and breed with a male Buneary in the games, but not with another female, then Dawn's Buneary successfully feeling obliged to mate with Pikachu means that Pikachu is the opposite gender of her: Male. Either that, or Buneary is male, which is definitely not true, as Buneary has worn dresses like a girl and even went into a girls fashion competition. Therefore, Buneary is female and Pikachu is male. It's obvious! Remember... The Pokémon series is based on the games! (although, then again, some things that happened in the anime aren't possible in the games, like the electric-harming-ground thing, but we are talking about common sense here; a female would tell the difference between a male and female).

4. Pikachu has gained quite a few rivals throughout the series, the most notable being Chikorita/Bayleef, who was confirmed to be female. I do not know why it would be considered female just because of this. Both genders can rival with one another. Whilst there is no evidence to say that I am wrong, there isn't evidence to say that I am right about this point, so this would be discarded in my book.

5. One that got deleted a while ago was the point that Pikachu showed interest in feminine items such as perfume. I can counter it. I think the reason why it was fascinated was because it was simply curious of the human world. Remember, Pikachu, before being captured by Prof Oak, was a wild animal. It would be fascinated by human things and would wander about eyeing the merchandise on sale, whether it was aimed at men or women. You know... it may look at a bottle of perfume, then look at a digital watch, then a necklace, then a chemisty set. This really doesn't explain anything about genders then, does it?

There you go. In my opinion, you can't very much counter the male evidence, especially ones like Pikachu being referred to as Ash's brother (a very good point).

I guess we'll just have to face the facts. Pikachu's gender will probably never be fully confirmed. Everyone's just too stubborn to do so. It's like in the Simpsons where Springfield's state won't be revealed. It's getting very, very late now, and as episodes go on, Pikachu remain a seemingly-genderless creature. But it isn't. It's male. - unsigned comment from Dusknoir477 (talk • contribs)

Just a friendly reminder of the giant red letters at the top of this page. Next person who posts about this gets a short block. --((Marton imos)) 21:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Should The . . .

. . . Gender Debate really be on this page? It just seems like a bunch of unencyclopedic speculation. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 02:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Possibly incorrect information on Gender Debate?

I realize this is pretty trivial, but on the section of Pikachu's Gender Debate, one of pieces of information supporting Pikachu's gender being male states something around the lines of Pikachu from Kanto have not been shown to have indentations on their tails, but in Pikachu's Goodbye (EP039) multiple wild Pikachu that appear in that episode have indentations on their tails. So should I edited that piece of information to be correct, or is it too trivial to matter?- unsigned comment from Spoon-Fork (talk • contribs)

No they didn't--FF(edits•talk) 06:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Those dents were merley wounds from possibly being attacked by other Pokémon. Saying that they are gender differences is pure speculation. --ケンジのガール 06:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Umm, saying that they are wounds is also pure speculation, as well, so technically, you shouldn't even say that on here. Besides, are they actually wounds? I'm pretty sure wounds would not be on the exact same spot on all those Pikachu's tails. Weedle Mchairybug 12:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, would you mind going and watching Showdown at Pewter City? Brock excplicitly calls him a he. MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 09:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Double edge????

I think Pikachu can't do double edge. May i have some proofs please. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 15:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are points pointing both ways. Supporting the fact that Ash's Pikachu might know Double-Edge is because it can learn the move through TM10 in Generation I (and later through a move tutor in Generation III). Supporting the fact that it might not know Double-Edge is because it was the stadium announcer who mentioned it in Friend and Foe Alike, increasing the chance that it could have been a dub mistranslation where it was originally a different move in the Japanese version.

My 2¢: While it's possible that Pikachu using Double-Edge might have been a mistranslation, if it isn't a mistranslation, odds are it's not an error of any sort. The episode in question is a Generation I-era episode, and Pikachu most definitely had a legal avenue for learning Double-Edge in that generation. Conclusion: Could somebody double-check the Japanese version of the episode? --Shiningpikablu252 16:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Male in Japan As Well!

Have any of you dared to watch Electric Soldier Porygon? (EP038) If so, then if you watched the one with subtitles on YouTube, you would have heard Nurse Joy call him a he. And that was in Japan! As for other countries, Pikachu is called a he in Showdown at Pewter City (EP005). I am changing it from Male (confirmed in dub only) to Male. MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 16:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Your operative word is "subtitles". Those subtitles are not official. Ergo, they cannot be used as evidence. Your edits concerning the matter will be undone.

In fact, the chances of us ever getting official subtitles for that episode vanished thanks to over 700 seizures. Even if the rest of the series were to get an uncut subtitled release one of these days, EP038 would not be included due to being locked down by the Japanese government. --Shiningpikablu252 17:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not evidence at all, but I am almost certain Pikachu has been referred to as male in the Japanese version. I recall Meowth using the word "otoko" in reference to him in one of the Lt. Surge episodes, for example. I don't exactly watch the anime (hardly ever), so I can't really give any other example. Capsule Computer 06:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Belong?

Does the gender debate really belong on this article? It's mostly speculation based on stuff in the anime. I believe it should be on the forums or in a separate namespace. --Galladeon 23:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It's about Ash's Pikachu and is a valid part of the fandom. No touchy.... except to make it better because its a serious piece of crap right now. — THE TROM — 00:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Fandom. Not encyclopedic knowledge. It seems like a topic for the forums, not a mainspace article. --Galladeon 00:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the hints and rewrote the paragraph. Are we happy now? — THE TROM — 00:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

You could put them on a forum discussing the topic. It's kinda annoying to come to this talk page and see fifty pages worth of debate over the topic when that kind of stuff belongs on the forum. - unsigned comment from Galladeon (talk • contribs)

I'm not putting them anywhere. If people want to discuss they can do it themselves. And of course, we all know that this kind of fancruft belongs in the forums. There's a big message at the top of the page essentially telling you to STFU. Now please, stop talking. — THE TROM — 00:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

"However, Pikachu is the only Electric-type Pokémon owned by a main character which can evolve."

Is this even necessary. I understand that for a long time Pikachu has been the only electric type pokemon owned by a main character. Then pachirusu came and someone added this. What the heck!!! Is this just trying to make pikachu seem more unique. I honestly don't think this is necesarry trivia. -- Landfish⁷ 16:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is technically true, even though Pikachu's never going to. TTEchidna 18:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I know it's true and I know it's not going to evolve but I don't think it is necessary trivia. Sould we take it out? -- Landfish⁷ 21:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)