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For Unown's letter, does 0 correspond to A, or do the punctuation come first, or how is it sorted? -- Slim

Also, does it count for FR/LG where eah form of Unown is found only in one of the ruins? FabuVinny 12:49, 16 January 2006 (CST)
From 0-27 they go like this: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z ! ? as shown by sprite data.
In the FR/LG ruins the unowns' personalities are generated like normal but are controlled for whatever building's conditions. When they are controlled for unown letter the effect on other personality traits is probabilistically insignificant. --Sheep 13:10, 12 February 2006 (CST)
Can somebody provide me with an Unown's personal value and letter? I need to check something. --Kyoufu Kawa 16:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Too late! 0x00003C6E comes down to the letter C. Please don't ask why the personal value is so small. --Kyoufu Kawa 10:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Gender

Maybe no one else noticed this, but the gender equation doesn't work correctly. If it was a 100% female (base gender of 254), then the pgender could potentially be 255 which is higher than 254 resulting in a male Pokémon when that Pokémon is supposed to be female-only. --Naokohiro 22:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wurmple

Can someone tell me what personality a Wurmple needs to become a Dustox. I don't understand this equation at all. Plus it would just be so much easier to list the ones that work.

That's nature, determined itself from personality value. You'd need to go through many more calculations than simply looking at what nature the Pokémon is to see if it's gonna become a Silcoon or a Cascoon. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 02:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, well do you think you would be able to explain how to figure it out. I've captured an evolved a lot of wurmples and not one has been a cascoon.
I really don't know myself... Just get lucky, I guess... TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 20:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Does the personality value's effect on nature imply that certain natures of Wurmple are more likely to evolve into Silcoon than Cascoon? Ultraflame 04:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
It might... though Wurmple's evolution is determined by the lowest word value, while nature is on the overall p doubleword. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 05:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it may, but only veeeeery slightly. Think of it this way:

If the part of the personality value that affects Wurmple's evo (which we'll call the Wurmple Value) converts to 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 in decimal, then its evo will be Silcoon. If the Wurmple Value is 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10, it will become a Cascoon. If it's 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15, it will become a Silcoon, and so on until 32768. But there's no way of checking this in-game, so it's all luck. --Clorox (diskussion) 00:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

And essentially its relation to nature is as follows:
Personality value (p) p%25 Nature pw%10 Evolution Gender
Binary Decimal
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0 0 Hardy 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001 1 1 Lonely 1 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000010 2 2 Brave 2 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000011 3 3 Adamant 3 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000100 4 4 Naughty 4 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000101 5 5 Bold 5 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000110 6 6 Docile 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000111 7 7 Relaxed 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001000 8 8 Impish 8 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001001 9 9 Lax 9 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001010 10 10 Timid 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001011 11 11 Hasty 1 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001100 12 12 Serious 2 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001101 13 13 Jolly 3 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001110 14 14 Naïve 4 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00001111 15 15 Modest 5 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010000 16 16 Mild 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010001 17 17 Quiet 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010010 18 18 Bashful 8 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010011 19 19 Rash 9 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010100 20 20 Calm 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010101 21 21 Gentle 1 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010110 22 22 Sassy 2 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00010111 23 23 Careful 3 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011000 24 24 Quirky 4 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011001 25 0 Hardy 5 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011010 26 1 Lonely 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011011 27 2 Brave 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011100 28 3 Adamant 8 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011101 29 4 Naughty 9 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011110 30 5 Bold 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00011111 31 6 Docile 1 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100000 32 7 Relaxed 2 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100001 33 8 Impish 3 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100010 34 9 Lax 4 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100011 35 10 Timid 5 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100100 36 11 Hasty 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100101 37 12 Serious 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100110 38 13 Jolly 8 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00100111 39 14 Naïve 9 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101000 40 15 Modest 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101001 41 16 Mild 1 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101010 42 17 Quiet 2 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101011 43 18 Bashful 3 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101100 44 19 Rash 4 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101101 45 20 Calm 5 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101110 46 21 Gentle 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00101111 47 22 Sassy 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00110000 48 23 Careful 8 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00110001 49 24 Quirky 9 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00110010 50 0 Hardy 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 00110011 51 1 Lonely 1 Silcoon ♀
...
00000000 00000000 00000000 01111111 127 2 Brave 7 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000000 10000000 128 3 Adamant 8 Cascoon ♂
00000000 00000000 00000000 10000001 129 4 Naughty 9 Cascoon ♂
...
00000000 00000000 00000000 11111111 255 5 Bold 5 Cascoon ♂
00000000 00000000 00000001 00000000 256 6 Docile 6 Cascoon ♀
00000000 00000000 00000001 00000001 257 7 Relaxed 7 Cascoon ♀
...
00000000 00000000 11111111 11111110 32,766 16 Mild 6 Cascoon ♂
00000000 00000000 11111111 11111111 32,767 17 Quiet 7 Cascoon ♂
00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000 32,768 18 Bashful 0 Silcoon ♀
00000000 00000001 00000000 00000001 32,769 19 Rash 1 Silcoon ♀
...
11111111 11111111 11111111 11111110 4,294,967,294 19 Rash 6 Cascoon ♂
11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 4,294,967,295 20 Calm 7 Cascoon ♂
Notes
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Nature comparison
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Evolution comparison
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Gender comparison
(Wurmple's value is 01111111)

Gender's in there, too. TTEchidna 04:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Furthering this, when the games create wild Silcoon and Cascoon, could their personality values be such that the (theoretical) Wurmple that became it should have evolved into the opposite species, and therefore theoretically the wild Silcoon/Cascoon with that personality value shouldn't technically exist?
To reword all that, can I have a Wurmple and Cascoon (both caught as-is from the wild) with the same personality values, but the Wurmple will evolve into a Silcoon instead? I mean in terms of whether the game legally allows for this, rather than cases of hacking. ~ Serial Colour 22:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
What about specific nature-gender-shininess combinations resulting in specific evolution?--MisterE13 18:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Spinda

Please see this page for Gatorshark's notes on his Spinda painter.

I'm not too certain the whole coordinate thing is right. I went and generated several Spinda earlier, making screenshots and writing down the personality values for each. Just today, I was informed of a page where you could see the spot pattern for a given PV, and I just had to try it out.

For a Spinda with PV 0x077F9E5F, the original sprite from Fire Red was this while the generator's sprite was this. --Kyoufu Kawa 18:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I talked to someone at Legendary Pokémon and their generator does not work. Gatorshark's generator seems to work though [1]... of course, it only covers the R/S sprites. --Codemonkey85

It would seem that there are four spots of varying shape that can only move in certain bounding rectangles. Very interesting... this should make deciphering the pattern easy. I'm gonna play around with this now. --Kyoufu Kawa 15:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. Assuming Gatorshark's generator is correct (I haven't tried the Lineup yet), the spots are stored in an X/Y nibble pair, but with the bounding box rules on top of that. All you'd need to do for different poses is change the spot shapes and bounding box origins to match. --Kyoufu Kawa 15:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, that sounds simple enough... assuming the bounding boxes are the same size for different poses, or more importantly (to me anyway) the Gen IV sprites. --Codemonkey85 11:00, 29 December 2008

Assuming they are still based on a randomly generated 32-bit value with the same rules, you'd think the boxes only have to move, yeah... --Kyoufu Kawa 16:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Kyoufu Kawa, do you think you could hook me up with those screenshots and PIDs? I have an algorithm I'd like to test, as I'm creating a program that can graph Spinda's spots like the generators you have seen online. --Codemonkey85 15:41, 30 August 2008

Not a problem. [2] --Kyoufu Kawa 19:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to look at these. I'd really like to figure out how this works for the D/P sprites. --Codemonkey85

Hey guys, I have gotten some info from Gator Shark, and written my very own Spinda drawing program for Windows. You will need the latest .Net framework installed to use it.

Check it out here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/txzbir

I'll edit the info on Spinda's entry to reflect what I now know, when I get time. --Codemonkey85

Any way to contact this GatorShark guy?--MisterE13 21:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I have some ideas that could potentially utilise his work.--MisterE13 03:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think we could somehow use a generator like that? Either through uploading a generatable sprite to the archives or external links. Random sprites like that could be even better than the spotless ones we use now.--MisterE13 16:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I think random Spindas could be done. All you need is a serverside app to generate one by request. All it needs is pixel editing, a blank Spinda and the spots. --Kyoufu Kawa 11:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
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