Talk:Mewtwo (Pokémon)

Nice touch with the line about it not evolving given all the speculation about Lucario. (Argy)

These pages deal with known data, not random speculation. On top of that, there is no history of any legendary Pokemon evolving. --Jshadias 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was what I was referring to- the random, unfounded speculation going on at various forums. Before I saw that all non-evolving Pokemon had that line, I thought it was a nice touch to emphasize reality. (Argy)

Wait a minute... what was the second movie Mewtwo was the subject in? (Given Mewtwo Strikes Back is the first) If there was one before it, is there a reason it isn't listed in the movie section? -OmegaPlatinum

Mewtwo Returns. --PAK Man ^Talk 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

And the only reason why it wasn't listed in the movie section was because it really wasn't a movie. It was a TV special under the same lines of Raikou: The Legend Of Thunder. 4Kids thought that they could change the wording and certain dialogue so it WOULD seem like an ACTUAL movie even though it really wasn't.

Weedle Mchairybug 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

only one

is there only one mewtwo or is there more?

One per game. One in the anime. TTEchidna 09:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In the Anime, yes there WAS only one, but it was hinted that they could have made many more of his species had he not destroyed their lab (Random scientist: Very Good, Excellent! Let's work on Mewthree! -Pokemon the first movie). And as for the games, yes, they made it quite clear in the games that Mewtwo is unique and one of a kind (the stadium games and the Mystery dungeon series don't count [and by stadium games, I mean just Pokemon Stadium ZERO (the unreleased japanese version), Pokemon Stadium, and Pokemon Stadium 2. I consider Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution to be a different series from Stadium.].)

Weedle Mchairybug 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

But in FireRed and LeafGreen, they never mentioned about making another Mew clone. BlueJirachi 14:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, they never had it appear in Gold/Silver, they never had it appear in the Colosseum games, they never even had it appear in the Ranger games. the only games it appeared in besides Gen I and it's remakes is the Mystery Dungeon series and the Stadium games, which really don't count in regards to the games canon (heck, the Mystery dungeon games don't even take PLACE on the main Pokemon world.). and of course they didn't mention making another mew clone, because Mewtwo blew up the place before they could even record the idea. Weedle Mchairybug 15:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

"Born" or "created"

Nevermind, I found them. I was mistaken and Mew did give birth to Mewtwo.--Ceol 16:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No, Mew did not physically give birth to Mewtwo. Mewtwo is a genetically inhanced clone of Mew. The whole concept of "Mew gave birth" is a metaphor for the fact that after a long time of creating clones of Mew that didn't survive the cloning process, the scientists were finally able to create a living clone from Mew's DNA. --いぬみみ 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, but a clone once created, must be implanted on a mother's womb to survive and grow. So, mew actually gave birth to Mewtwo. hfc2X 23:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Mewtwo was never in or near Mew when he was created. He was in his cloning tank until he finally broke it open when he was grown. --いぬみみ 20:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Go and read about cloning in the read world and you'll understand. Don't guide yourself by the anime. hfc2X 23:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I know about cloning in the real world, thank you. But by the anime, Mewtwo was in a tank for the first part of his life and no where else. And because he is a fictional cartoon/video game character, there is no other side to the story, meaning if being implanted wasn't shown or mentioned, then it didn't happen. People can make up theories of what they assume is truth but assuming is not truth and fictional characters don't have alternative sides because they are not real. And even if Mew "gave birth", how did the scientists get their hands on a Mew to implant Mewtwo? It was only mentioned that they found a fossilized eyebrow of a Mew. --いぬみみ 22:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

“Mew gave birth” is only in the games. Things from the show (eyebrow, tank etc.) are not relevant to how the games do things. IIMarckus 05:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The anime is based off of the games and the anime goes indepth with almost everything in Pokemon. It was never mentioned in the game how Mewtwo was cloned or if he was implanted. "Mew gave birth" is considered a metaphor for the fact that the scientists were finally able to successfully create a clone of Mew. --いぬみみ 15:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

False. The anime is LOSELY based off the games. Hence the anime's Magnemites and Koffings don't need "partners" of the same specie in order to evolve, Red and Green are named Ash and Gary, and Mewtwo is a clone which wasn't created on Cinnabar Island. - unsigned comment from Spideym (talk • contribs)

The anime is based on the games in therms of major events, such as catching Pokémon, battling, encountering some characters, etc., not because of it shows some Pokémon before the time (such as Kecleon or Wynaut) it goes in depth of everything on Pokémon, it means that it is just media where Satoshi Tajiri wants to give an update of what's coming. So, according to the games (and basing on how cloning works on real world), Mewtwo was born from Mew. hfc2X 01:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Choose to believe what you want but Mewtwo was cloned in the anime and the games and was not technically born. Mewtwo's Red and Blue entry "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" meaning it was cloned. It was never stated that Mewtwo was inplanted in Mew and there is no proof of that. The book that said "Mew gave birth" is all you have to go by and it's most likely a metaphor and not a literal statement.--いぬみみ 22:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Cloned and born is the same. There is no clone that grows in a tank. If the anime showed something like that is just because it's children-oriented and some children just don't know how they born. Also I don't think it's important either, this looks like a forum thread. hfc2X 04:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You and I both know that the Pokémon world works differently from our own. So, having a clone grow inside a tank in the Pokémon world is highly possible considering all the other technology that is used. And clones are different from naturally created creatures. They are not created the same way. --いぬみみ 22:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, as much as we say giving birth is a metaphor, etc. At the end of the day, things stated as fact in the anime are NOT considered to be true in the games. In the games, disregarding all evidence from the anime, we are told nothing about Mewtwo's creation other than that it was cloned (I think this first appears in Yellow's dex, but I'm not sure) and that Mew gave birth to it. We also know that these two events are possible to both be true. Additionally, I seem to recall the information about Mew giving birth to Mewtwo being written in someone's log of events - it seems unlikely that they would use metaphors in a log of events. Basically, what I'm trying to say is, based on the evidence exhibited in the games, NOT IN THE ANIME, clearly, Mewtwo was cloned from Mew, and Mew gave birth to Mewtwo.- unsigned comment from Gastly's mama (talk • contribs)

Unless you can prove its a metaphor, its stays. It gave birth. Says so in the game, and last time i checked, this is the game article.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

You make it sound like Mewtwo was conceived. "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments."-Mewtwo's Red/Blue Pokédex entry. Technically by this, Mewtwo was created by a scientist after years of DNA experiments. All of Mewtwo's Pokédex entries except Yellow, Gold, Silver, and Stadium 2; mention something about genetic mutation and engineering. It was never stated that after the scientific genetic engineering, Mewtwo was implanted into Mew. Sure, in the real world, a clone is implanted into a parent, but you and i know that the real world and the Pokémon world can be quite different from each other. And with this being an encyclopedia, you can't just assume something took place because that's what would really happen. Either it was a metaphor refering to the fact that after years of attempting to successfully clone something from Mew, the scientists were finally able to create something (something being born of Mew's DNA), or Nintendo/GameFreak really wanted to confuse people on how Mewtwo was created, in the games anyway. --いぬみみ 01:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I will find the screenshot. it Literally says "Mew gave Birth TYoday, we called it Mewtwo. Check in fir red, journal on the third floor.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

What I was trying to say was that (in agreement with DCM) since in the games it says that it was both spliced (pokedex entry) and born (pokemon journal), and we know it is possible for both to happen at once, surely the only reasonable conclusion to draw

is that both DID happen? Gastlys mama 18:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Shiny coloration

Just stating that the gold may have been a poor excuse for a type of olive green or the such, and they decided to define it more in the coming generations. - JWhitt 13:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait, how do you get a shiny Mewtwo in Gold and Silver?Shadow1337 17:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure but i think that if your Mewtwo has an IV value less than 8 in your blue, red, or yellow game, and you trade him over to your silver, gold, or crystal game, it will become shiny. --いぬみみ 18:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

What's with this green coloration? I thought it was black. Or is that just the Mewtwo i obtained through a Brainboy cheat device? It looks black on the GBC screen, and on Pokémon stadium 2 in both the stadium and during gameboy mode. Yami 02:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

So can anyone tell me whats with the difference. I'm kind of figuring that somewhere in the extraction process the sprites colors were messed up. Yami 19:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Dodging Balls

I haven't seen ANYTHING on this page pointing out that Mewtwo would actually dodge Poké Balls in Red, Blue, and Yellow. I think it should be included, since it's the only catchable Pokémon that's ever done so. Diachronos 16:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The only Pokemon that dodges Poke Balls is the ghost Marowak. Poke Balls thrown at Mewtwo can miss, yes, which is different from "break out without shaking"—but this is the case for any "special" Pokemon in RBY, including Snorlax. IIMarckus 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

A pokemon that has Dug, Flown, etc cant be caught, and I distinctly remember Zapdos pokeballs--DCM_{((Nag at Me!Edits))}

Not true. I found a wild Diglett using Dig. I caught it. ^ht14 22:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original games?--DCM_{((Nag at Me!Edits))}

In the original games, and in fact all games, Dig and Fly make no difference in whether a monster can dodge the ball. It is based solely on whether the encounter is special (legends, Snorlax) or if the player is in the Safari Zone. IIMarckus 01:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original games, there was a very slim chance of Pokémon dodging, see this article for details. It's limited to Safari Zone, Snorlax and Legendaries (which would include Mewtwo). ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it wasn't that slim. I remember (unless using Master Ball) having to put all legendaries to sleep before the ball would hit them. Snorlax too, but it wasn't exactly difficult to get Snorlax to sleep... Gastly's mama 21:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Gastly's Mama

Diet...

No one is really quite sure if Mewtwo even eats, so shouldn't something be done about the diet section? We've never really seen Mewtwo eat. Animine 01:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon food's the basic answer for it all. Plus, um, try feeding poffin or Pokéblocks to Mewtwo, it eats those in the games. TTEchidna 02:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Manga...

Spoiler warning: this article may contain major plot or ending details.

The Mewtwo in Special is actually quite a prominent character, having appeared in the series which starred Red as a main character. While it doesn't make much of an appearance in the RGB saga, it actually makes a difference in the Yellow saga, with Yellow imitating the Psywave attack to supposedly defeat Lance. Even after that, in the FRLG saga, Mewtwo actually becomes part of the crew, having defeated R once, rescued Green's parents, beating the shit out of Deoxys and being the main reason why Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and Silver were turned to stone. So why not have an extra page for it? Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links 09:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea go for it's recurring Pokémon.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros Melee

Isn't "Mewtwo is considered to be the poorest character when played at the highest metagame. It is easy to knock off the stage due to its large body and light weight. In addition, Mewtwo is slow, does not have any fast defensive options and also has general problems with some of its other moves. This all leads to Mewtwo's position in the bottom tier." an opinion? I thought we are supposed to represent a neutral point of view? In my opinion Mewtwo actually isn't that bad. --Firestorm 03:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What you're saying is a personal opinion. What you've quoted is actually considered to be true by a lot of people, plus it's almost all true anyway - Mewtwo is slower than Ganondorf, Has NO offensive moves (besides Shadow Ball, which takes forever to charge, and then loses it if you get hit in the middle of charging), and falls about as fast as Metal Mario. Personally, I remember him being a heavyweight, but...yea. He pretty much sucked all by himself Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic. 21:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much everything metagame is an opinion, so.... eh. If it was me, I'd delete it, though. — THE TROM — 08:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Everything that's been said is true, but Firestorm does have a point. The text seems opinionated. EcksAcksisAnimine 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Game Bio

So...how do we know that Cerulean Cave collapsed, and all that other stuff afterwards? - unsigned comment from Psigon (talk • contribs)

Because of the events that occurred in Gen II, three years after Gen I. And please, sign your comments on talk pages. It makes it easier for everyone :D — THE TROM — 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Similarity to Giegue/Giygas

Is it worth mentioning that Mewtwo has a similar appearance to Giygas [1] from the Mother series' form in the original Mother? Obviously the whole "resembles Freeza from Dragon Ball Z" thing is way too out of whack, but both Mewtwo and Giygas have various similarities, including the tails, the ears, the similar bad tempers, the white bodies and the fact that the team that worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series.--Jake 16:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any... real art of Giygas that actually shows him as a whole being? That's tiny art at best, and at that size, Gold looks like Red. TTEchidna 17:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Real art, no and I will admit that it having "similar ears" is a bit sketchy, but it's confirmed to have a tail in the game via dialogue. The tail is fairly visible if you mainly look at the Mewtwo looking thing in the middle and not the orb/shield thing around it.--Jake 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

false info?

The article says mewtwo is the first pokemon to use a genII move, but i think that's false.

for one thing I'm pretty sure Mewtwo doesn't use that spherical attack until his battle with mew.

From how Mewtwo acts using psychic in Stadium, and given that psychic can be in a spherical form it might just be psychic he's using.

Donphan uses Rollout at the opening battle. Yami 19:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well how are you so sure Donphan is using Rollout? We have just as much evidence that it uses Rollout as Mewtwo's using Shadow Ball: on the basis that it looks like that traditional attack. Also, SSBM Mewtwo, who is obviously based on the movie Mewtwo, has Shadow Ball as an attack. I will give you that Donphan most likely displayed the first Gen II move but Mewtwo most likely used Shadow Ball. --ケンジのガール 21:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well it does get hard to tell when the creators can't keep a conform appearance to moves. Psychic has been used as balls of energy, common levelitation of the opponent then throwing the opponent. I think its even been used as a force field.

I'm pretty sure Donphan takes the goal for first II gen move used. If i remember the beginning of the movie right, mewtwo mostly just used shock wave like attacks and levitation. Yami 21:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Levitation. That's how Psychic is shown in the anime. Mewtwo definitely used Shadow Ball. But Donphan did technically use Rollout earlier in the movie. TTEchidna 21:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

In DP102 they had psychic used as balls in combination with something if i remember. Either way we should remove the Trivia right? Someone else will have to do it, i for some reason keep getting logged out and getting the view source screen. Yami 21:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It was with Will-O-Wisp. And Psychic is used to move things, keep things from moving, and stuff like that. And don't take it out. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its Obvious that Donphan used Rollout before Mewtwo got into it with mew. Donphan's article even mentions it used rollout in the movie Yami 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

And now you're jumping around.... but we need more than just your opinion on it before we do anything. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its not my oppinion, even TTE said Donphan used Rollout earlier in the movie. A mod and a article both says that a move was used by donphan who does it before mewtwo so the Trivia is false. Yami 21:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well then take it out. Don't just sit there talking about taking it out. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I did remove it, and as i said before Editing is difficult at the moment with the system going buggy with timeouts, session loss data and stuff. Yami 21:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Three 'segments'?

What are the segments that the Trivia talks about? -Smeargle 12:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed... R.A. Hunter Blade 13:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen Sprites

The Ruby and Sapphire sprite for Mewtwo is the same as the FireRed and LeafGreen sprite, so is there a reason to why and it's Shiny counterpart do not have Sprites uploaded? If it's because they are the same, then why hasn't the Sprite Template for Mewtwo been edited so it just shows the same image for Ruby & Sapphire as for FireRed & LeafGreen? Just a thought... ASecondOpinion1501 15:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If they are exactly the same then the page on the archives needs to be redirected to the RS sprite, rather than the same sprite being uploaded again. Werdnae (talk) 18:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for replying to me quickly. How does one redirect an Archive Page to another one because all it does is ask me to upload a fresh image? Apologies for the possible n00bish sound to this. Thanks - ~~