Talk:Red (game)

He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --nYoo 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both Red and Ruby started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in Pokémon Special, but besides that, I think it might be confused. - 振霖_T 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --nYoo 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Pokémon Red and Blue take place at the same time as Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --Greengiant

I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--Shaddow Boy 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - 振霖_T 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - Maxim

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: Pokémon Master. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

Yellow

Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

SSB

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy

Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.

Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... TTE 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?

Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. TTE 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

PBR Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2Jqz-rxk8 Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

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I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --Greengiant 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Stop!

I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from Pokémon Yellow (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.

• Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
• Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
• Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
• Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
• Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
• Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --Maxim 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Voice in Brawl?

Okay... hearing it, I'm thinking it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? TTEchidnaFire echy 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--Theryguy512 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Got a question

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--KukiTalk 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. IIMarckus 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!

Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? Jacce 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

counterparts

alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section Ritchie

Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't based on anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

That is correct. The games came first, then the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????Ritchie

So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?

--Outrage DD 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION

This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.

When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. This is a reference to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.

...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception, but that too happens to be my assumption.

Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. RWMVG1DC 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. IIMarckus 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --((Marton imos)) 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it is a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering you were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.

But the second part does not. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. Redstar 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Names

Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). tc26 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. TTEchidna 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eye color

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? Lovely Rose 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Red in GSC being based off of Ash?

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash." The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of Ash. It was based off of Red, from the Pokemon Adventures manga. Red's team in GSC is Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard. Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking Route 16 isn't there, but the one blocking Route 11 has moved somewhat). TTEchidna 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--Ryuutakeshi 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.Satosuke 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. Reign 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. Drake Clawfang 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - Crystal Master

Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --Maxim 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - Crystal Master 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The article image..

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? Lovely Rose 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)