Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)

Due to special coding in place in the article to illustrate Rotom's forms, certain displays will change showing Rotom as though it had possesed a refrigerator, therefore being Frost Rotom. This will only affect the artwork shown in the infobox, the anime image shown, the base stats entry which is unhidden, and the Pokéthlon stats entry which is unhidden. This changes every day, so when the time comes, click here to return to the page and change the display.

ROTOM IS NOT A LEGENDARY POKÉMON. DO NOT ADD IT TO THE PAGE.

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• Archive 1 (discussions from August 24, 2007 – December 5, 2008)

Unprotect

When can this be unprotected? _*tc26_* 12:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• Rotom normal.jpg

  Rotom

• Rotom heat.jpg

  Heat Rotom

• Rotom wash.jpg

  Wash Rotom

• Rotom frost.jpg

  Frost Rotom

• Rotom spin.jpg

  Spin Rotom

• Rotom cut.jpg

  Cut Rotom

_*tc26_* 16:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Could an admin also fix up the new stats-box? Rotom's the only one not updated. — THE TROM — 20:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Can this be unprotected anytime soon I wanna make the in the anime part now...Rucario64 17:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This page isn't unprotected yet? Jmath 19:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Legendary?

I know this has been discussed before but since the main argument for Rotom not being legendary was its stats but now that it can change forms (a trait shared with several legendary Pokémon) that all have better stats ("almost making them analogous to evolutions") should this discussion be reopened.--MisterE13 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

No. Not a legendary.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Shall we bring this up on the Castform talk page too then? What about Cherrim and Burmy? Rotom isn't legendary, it's just the Gen IV version of Snorlax, Sudowoodo and Kecleon (without the annoying blocking of your path thing). — THE TROM — 01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The main argument was the new stats and event status. At least I new better than to edit the article outright. If nothing else, it is the first non-legendary to have had new forms unlocked through events.--MisterE13 02:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, technically, the official DP Pokédex released by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TVTokyo stated that Rotom was a Legendary Pokémon, but yeah, it's doubtful that it is one. Weedle Mchairybug 02:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Then so is arcanine. Get working on that childrenDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Actually, I was referring to this (It still labels it as the Plasma pokémon, BTW.)

Weedle Mchairybug03:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I realized a while ago that here we didn't refer to it as legendary and respected that, I was just wondering if it was just because of its awful stats as well as the new EVENT status.--MisterE13 03:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

its legendary. duh. sure the booked said delibird was a legendary but in the lineup it wasent there and rotom was there. ArceusEX 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh no, don't start that again...--The Kkllnnator サンタクロース 20:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

well i brung it up hah ArceusEX 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I know this sort of thing brings out the worst in certain bulbapedians (^). But really, what are the remaining arguments? It's stats aren't awful anymore so it can't be that. Also, if this discussion still ends with it not being legendary, could an Admin please add that Rotom is the first non-legendary Pokémon to have an alternate form that requires activation from an event.--MisterE13 21:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you look in the deletion log for one of the most useless pages in history, apparently Pokemon.com said it wasn't legendary. And EX, did the book have the official Nintendo Seal on it? Didn't think so. Now, better handbooks, which actually have the seal on them, say that 'Tom is not a legendary.--The Kkllnnator サンタクロース 21:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't know about you, but I think the official copyright that he mentioned is good enough for me. I mean, what's the point in even making a copyright if the person/company in question didn't ACTUALLY create it? Besides, the official Seal of Nintendo isn't going to apply anyways, as Nintendo didn't actually create Pokémon (it was gamefreak). All they did was allow it on their systems. Weedle Mchairybug 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

In that case, could someone please add the trivia.--MisterE13 23:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I already did a long time ago. Weedle Mchairybug 23:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

We already decided this, Didnt we? Its not a legendary, unless Arcanine is one (similar species nameDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

It is not legendary, end of story. ^Maverick_Nate 00:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

No, I mean say Rotom is the only non-legendary to be considered "event only".--MisterE13 00:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

LIES! Rotom can be captured, only his other formes, not officially in the Dex, therefore not new pokemon, cant be capturedDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

To quote the page:"As of the official Japanese tournament held in 2008, all Rotom forms have been banned from official tournaments. This is due to the special status of the alternate forms as event-exclusive Pokémon." I understand what you mean DCM, but I'm just using what we already have.--MisterE13 01:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

But it doesnt have its own distinctive entry in the pokedex. Therefore, not a pokemon, just a variant of one.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

(Gettin' cramped) the--vik0z0z 20:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)n put first/only Pokémon with alternate forms only available through an event. I was just using the wording we already had in the article.--MisterE13 01:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Double check that.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

is there any way we can truly find out if it is a legendary or not? vik0z0z 23:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC) and i consider it semi-legendary like unown or lucario.

also the way you obtain Rotom is like most legendaries, because you have to go up to a T.V. and then a battle starts, do you get what i'm saying? and an Bold textOFFICIAL nintendo handbook says Rotom is legendary and Rotom has legendary battle music!!!! vik0z0z 23:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

*refrains from using caps* no, it isn't. The music means nothing. Goodbye.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 23:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

so, there is no way we can truly find out if it is a legendary? vik0z0z 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC) vik0z0z 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC) vik0z0z 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Even without the Legendary music, there's still the fact that it was mentioned to be a Legendary in an official handbook that was made not only by nintendo, but TVTokyo and even Gamefreak, the ones who actually created Pokémon in the first place. Weedle Mchairybug 00:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

what i'm saying is that you have to activate rotom (in a way) and then battle him. how many non-legendary pokemon do that!?--vik0z0z 20:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Snorlax, Sudowoodo. As much as I'd like to think Rotom's legendary, that argument doesn't cut it around here.--MisterE13 21:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

why would nintendo make such a big deal out of rotom in platinum if he wasnt legendary. - unsigned comment from Vik0z0z (talk • contribs)

To make little fanboys and fangirls argue about it on Bulbapedia talkpages. Look guys, there is no official confirmation otherwise, so we have to take it as unlegendary, as that is what most of the information leads to. Yes, there are points on both sides, but with no official confirmation, we can't do anything. The discussion here is becoming best suited to the forums and further comments will be deleted. Thanks. — THE TROM — 06:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't that Guidebook count as official information? I mean, from the Copyright notice that someone posted in the archives that TV Tokyo, Nintendo, and even Gamefreak had a hand at making the book. Weedle Mchairybug 10:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know... It could possily be a legendary... I mean, it's only possible to obtain one right? I don't know. I'll check it out with Nintendo. Maybe they can clear up some questions. Smashbrother101 01:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Trivia worthy?

On Pokemon Ranger (The first one), In Fall City, there is a young guy in a house in the south of Fall City. He has a picture on his wall which looks like either Freeze Rotom or Heat Rotom. Can someone else take a look at this for me?--Pokelova 05:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thats not really trivia worthyDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Okay--Pokelova 23:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Cut and Spin Form U.S. names

Serebii.net today got information that two of Rotom's Form names have been changed in the U.S. translation as follows:

Cut Rotom is now known as Mow Rotom and Spin Rotom is now known as Fan Rotom

I just wanted to let you guys you know --Dialgafan1 22:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

Heat Forme

On the official site for Platinum, it says the oven is a microwave oven. I changed it on the Rotom and Form differences pages. YinYang 21:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, well done. *two thumbs up and a big wide grin* — THE TROM — 22:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm...Thank you? YinYang 00:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I always thought it was a toaster oven. A microwave doesn't make sense, because it doesn't use fire to heat food. Aura-Knight 00:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Neither does Ash carrying a Larvitar. But it's from the site so there's nothing you can do about it. — THE TROM — 00:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

On its defense, it's Heat Forme, not Fire Forme, so the microwave does make sense. Toaster ovens don't use fire either, anyway (at least not when functioning correctly).--Kaoz 15:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Charon's journal and notes on Rotom

Should I add them on Rotom's or Charon's page, or should I just not add them at all. --AOS 03:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I say Charon's page. ►Ҝəυzø8 03:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Artwork at top...

Why is it only Frost Rotom?Nintendofan146B 20:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Purge the server, click on the time at the top right of the page--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 20:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Why wash Rotom

The regular Rotom illustrates the Rotom concept better than its other forms. Do you see the sky forme Shaymin as the main picture on Shaymin's page? No? Then put the regular Rotom as the main images on this page! --HideInTheDark 18:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

First of, calmness is key. Second, the images are on a timer, and change every day for this article, I believe. The pictures on Shaymin, as well as numerous other pages, also change at set times. --Theryguy512 18:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Oopsy, sorry, I didn't notice. A million sorry. --HideInTheDark 18:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Why wash Rotom? Maybe its dirty! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Zurqoxn 16:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo

We really should just wait for Nintendo to say something. I mean, just because someone says it isn't legendary or it is, doesn't mean that what they say is true or official, because nobody knows for sure, and because Nintendo never said anything about Rotom. (And I don't mean Pokemon.com) vik0z0z 19:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Still, multiple times it has been referred to as NON-legendary. You may be right, but I'm pretty sure its non-legendary. Nintendo mentioned it once if I'm correct, and the only possible proof that its legendary is that its banned from tournaments. ((User:Megamew/Megamew)) 02:08:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there is one other proof that it's legendary. The official handbook for DP had actually stated that Rotom is legendary. Weedle Mchairybug 10:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Those handbooks are incalcuably full of errors, though. --DarkfireTaimatsu 11:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that the handbooks are a bit... unreliable. they have made (many) mistakes before and should not be trusted for important matters such as legendary Pokémon. ((User:Megamew/megamew)) 21:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Trading to Diamond and Pearl

If Rotom is in its Wash form (for example) and it was traded to Diamond or Pearl, it would be reverted back to its Normal Form. However, if it were to be traded back to a copy of Platinum (after being reverted to Normal Form by Diamond or Pearl), would it go back to its Wash Form, or would it stay as Normal Form? Ggled 13:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It would most likely stay as it's normal form. I can't find anything on Youtube, so I can't confirm it for you. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I got some friends, Pokémon Platinum, A DS lite, and a wash rotom over here. I'm on it. --16ipodfanatic 03:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)16ipodfanatic

"Auto-relearning" ThunderShock (in Platinum)

In the trivia section, there is the later part of one that says "If the only move that Rotom knows right before reverting to its original form is exclusive to its alternate form, then that move will be replaced with ThunderShock." I only own Platinum, and recently captured Rotom. Found the secret room, and transformed it, letting it learn that form's attack (replacing ThunderShock). Changed it to another appliance, then back to default, but found that ThunderShock had been deleted instead. Luckily, had saved just beforehand, so just did a power reset.

I then tested with just one appliance then back to default, and ThunderShock was again deleted instead of coming back and replacing the appliance's attack. So perhaps the replacing only happens in D/P? If someone could confirm and correct it, that'd be cool.

Also found that not allowing Rotom to learn the appliance's attack will also not allow Rotom to take it over. Again, no clue if this is different in D/P (if it is, obviously should be noted by someone that can confirm it).

Until confirmed, I'm removing the part I quoted for now, and someone can just retrive it later or rewrite it as neccessary.--Mondoblasto 08:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but that says the only move. I.e., delete all of Rotom's moves but the special move, then change it back. I'm fairly certain that's what it means (not that I have Platinum to confirm). It refers only to Platinum, as the alternate forms are only in Pt, btw. — THE TROM — 09:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh ya, secret key->secret room->alternate forms only in Platinum.... after going to Canada's first Pokemon event, you'd think I'd remember that >_<; Since I DO have Platinum (long time fan of the anime, but first game), I guess I can go ahead and test it; as mentioned, my Rotom still fresh and default. I don't know of a way to remove moves, but I'm thinking I'll try using the appliance moves to delete them one after the other, through chain changing, and maybe also by default->alternate1->default->alternate2... ect--Mondoblasto 06:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

There's a move deleter in Canalave City. That should help. — THE TROM — 06:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I tested it with a Heat Rotom knowing only Overheat, and it's only move is now ThunderShock. It didn't even know ThunderShock before I deleted the other moves (not that that would make a difference), so it must have learnt it when changing formes. Werdnae 06:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, we've proved the article correct. I do enjoy doing that. :D Great effort. — THE TROM — 06:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting...

Wait, according to the anime, rotom can move even when it's not in it's battle mode. Wait, what? Okay, now I'm confused. Can someone help me with this? Oh, by the way... STOP FIGHTING/ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER ROTOM IS A LEGENDARY OR NOT!!!! I'm sick of your squabbling. --16ipodfanatic 03:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)16ipodfanatic

Thanks for bringing it up again. That's really just what we wanted. And anime =/= games. The two canons do things differently. Just because something happens in one, it doesn't have to happen in the other. — THE TROM — 04:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Name origins

I once added a small note that Rotom may also be a combination of rotate and possibly atom, which got removed. Sure Charon may have named Rotom, but might I add that Rotom existed before Platinum? Charon was probably not even near their heads when they were choosing a name for Rotom at that time. So it seems to make sense to me that in the REAL WORLD, Rotom's name origin was most likely different back then. Yes it's name is motor backwards, but I was just trying to show that there were probably other possiblities why it was named that. Mudkipchan 07:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, We have another possible name origin for Electrode--ForceFire 07:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Had it been based off of something else, surely the journal would have reflected that, like I have decided to name this most wondrous Pokémon 'Rotom.' Simple though it may be, Rotom emerged to me like a Rotatting atom... Surely the link is obvious?--MisterE13 20:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, there's usually only one reason for naming it, and we all know Platinum was planned during DP. They just needed to give a reason to buy Pt. It's like how Phione was named after a clione, not "clone" or "phony" or anything else. They put in the journal exactly what they named it for, making it the only truly canonical name origin. TTEchidna 22:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

About the banning

"As of the official Japanese tournament held in 2008, all Rotom forms have been banned from official tournaments. This is due to the special status of the alternate forms as event-exclusive Pokémon."

But wait a second.. you can get the Rotom formes without any extra events in HGSS (it's in Silph Co., not sure if you need to beat Red or anything), and I assume that the 2010 tourney from what I've heard uses HGSS only. So they're not really all that event-exclusive..? I think there might be some rewording needed here... ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 06:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Has the 2010 rules list been released yet? It could have been updated now that the formes are all for the taking. —darklordtrom 10:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Just checked the banlist (somewhere on here), the only Pokémon that are banned are Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus. So, I'm assuming that it's legal to use the Rotom formes.. I'm not really good with wording things though, more of a typo fixer, so uh... can someone change that on the page? ;; ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 17:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

In explorers of sky...

Alright. Pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of sky was released after platinum was, right? Well, I was wondering if there is any way to change its rotom's form in explorers of sky. If anybody knows anything about that, it would help. Thanks!