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One question surrounding the recently announced [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Generation II remakes]] is what will be in the game's new [[Johto Pokédex]]?  Quite obviously, we're not going to have all 493 Pokémon in it.  In fact, given how some elements introduced in later games will probably make their way into the game, odds are the new Johto Pokédex will be smaller than the old one, since it's entirely possible you'll need the National Pokédex to go to the main meat of the game's [[Kanto|other country]].  Therefore, it's impossible to accurately predict the new Johto Pokédex listing.

This listing is what I think are the odds each Pokémon in the original Johto Pokédex, as well as later-introduced additions to their evolution chain, have of making it into the new Johto Pokédex.  Pokémon are listed in modified original Johto Pokédex order; the full extent of the modifications to the list are inclusions of Pokémon such as {{p|Azurill}} and {{p|Ambipom}} who have Pokémon from the first two generations in their evolution lines.  Note that I cannot guarantee any of these odds will hold (i.e. a "Very High" could be surprisingly omitted, while a "Very Low" could find its way in).  You might be surprised at some of the odds I give...

===#001 - #051 Chikorita - Arbok===
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! Name
! Odds
! Reason for
! Reason against
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|001
|{{MS|152|Chikorita}}
|{{p|Chikorita}}
| Guaranteed
| One of the [[first partner Pokémon|starters]] in the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|original]]
| -
|-
|002
|{{MS|153|Bayleef}}
|{{p|Bayleef}}
| Guaranteed
| Middle evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|003
|{{MS|154|Meganium}}
|{{p|Meganium}}
| Guaranteed
| Final evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|004
|{{MS|155|Cyndaquil}}
|{{p|Cyndaquil}}
| Guaranteed
| One of the starters in the original
| -
|-
|005
|{{MS|156|Quilava}}
|{{p|Quilava}}
| Guaranteed
| Middle evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|006
|{{MS|157|Typhlosion}}
|{{p|Typhlosion}}
| Guaranteed
| Final evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|007
|{{MS|158|Totodile}}
|{{p|Totodile}}
| Guaranteed
| One of the starters in the original
| -
|-
|008
|{{MS|159|Croconaw}}
|{{p|Croconaw}}
| Guaranteed
| Middle evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|009
|{{MS|160|Feraligatr}}
|{{p|Feraligatr}}
| Guaranteed
| Final evolution of a native starter line
| -
|-
|010
|{{MS|016|Pidgey}}
|{{p|Pidgey}}
| High
| Appears in [[Johto]] in original; could be considered a [[Time|day]]time counterpart to Hoothoot
| Spearow could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot instead and appear in Pidgey's place
|-
|011
|{{MS|017|Pidgeotto}}
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
| High
| Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl
| Fearow could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl instead
|-
|012
|{{MS|018|Pidgeot}}
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
| High
| Final evolution of a common line
| Could be final evolution of a line relegated to [[Kanto]] only if Spearow is considered Hoothoot's daytime counterpart
|-
|013
|{{MS|021|Spearow}}
|{{p|Spearow}}
| High
| Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot
| Pidgey could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot instead and appear in Spearow's place
|-
|014
|{{MS|022|Fearow}}
|{{p|Fearow}}
| High
| Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl
| Pidgeotto could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl instead
|-
|015
|{{MS|163|Hoothoot}}
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
| Very High
| Johto's signature {{t|Normal}}/{{t|Flying}}
| Could be replacable by a 24/7 Normal/Flying
|-
|016
|{{MS|164|Noctowl}}
|{{p|Noctowl}}
| Very High
| Johto's signature Normal/Flying
| Could be replacable by a 24/7 Normal/Flying
|-
|017
|{{MS|019|Rattata}}
|{{p|Rattata}}
| High
| Common in Johto
| Possibility of Sentret overrunning the [[country]] and relegating Rattata to Kanto only
|-
|018
|{{MS|020|Raticate}}
|{{p|Raticate}}
| High
| Easily obtained in Johto
| Furret's easier to obtain, possibility of being relegated to Kanto only in wild
|-
|019
|{{MS|161|Sentret}}
|{{p|Sentret}}
| High
| Johto's signature pure Normal
| Could be seen as replacable by Rattata
|-
|020
|{{MS|162|Furret}}
|{{p|Furret}}
| High
| Johto's signature pure Normal
| Could be seen as replacable by Raticate
|-
|021
|{{MS|172|Pichu}}
|{{p|Pichu}}
| Medium
| Pre-evolution of series mascot, possibility of appearance in the [[Odd Egg]] should that {{v2|Crystal}} element return
| Said series mascot relegated to Kanto in the original, no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
|-
|022
|{{MS|025|Pikachu}}
|{{p|Pikachu}}
| Medium
| Series mascot, could be worked into Johto wild
| Relegated to Kanto in the original, [[Route 2]] could require [[National Pokédex]] to access
|-
|023
|{{MS|026|Raichu}}
|{{p|Raichu}}
| Medium
| Evolution of series mascot
| Said series mascot relegated to Kanto in the original
|-
|024
|{{MS|010|Caterpie}}
|{{p|Caterpie}}
| High
| Highly wild in original Gold, appears in [[Bug-Catching Contest]]
| Could be overrun by Ledyba or Spinarak, the [[National Park]] could hold a different contest
|-
|025
|{{MS|011|Metapod}}
|{{p|Metapod}}
| High
| Middle evolution of common {{t|bug}}
| Middle evolution of common bug that could be relegated to Kanto only if the bug contest is eliminated
|-
|026
|{{MS|012|Butterfree}}
|{{p|Butterfree}}
| High
| Final evolution of common bug
| Producers could see Ledian as superior
|-
|027
|{{MS|013|Weedle}}
|{{p|Weedle}}
| High
| Highly wild in original Silver, appears in Bug-Catching Contest
| Could be overrun by Ledyba or Spinarak, the National Park could hold a different contest
|-
|028
|{{MS|014|Kakuna}}
|{{p|Kakuna}}
| High
| Middle evolution of common bug
| Middle evolution of common bug that could be relegated to Kanto only if the bug contest is eliminated
|-
|029
|{{MS|015|Beedrill}}
|{{p|Beedrill}}
| High
| Final evolution of common bug
| Producers could see Ariados as superior
|-
|030
|{{MS|165|Ledyba}}
|{{p|Ledyba}}
| High
| Johto's signature Bug/Flying
| [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Exclusive to Silver]] in original, role easily replacable by Butterfree
|-
|031
|{{MS|166|Ledian}}
|{{p|Ledian}}
| High
| Johto's signature Bug/Flying
| Exclusive to Silver in original, role easily replacable by Butterfree
|-
|032
|{{MS|167|Spinarak}}
|{{p|Spinarak}}
| High
| Johto's signature Bug/{{t|Poison}}
| Exclusive to Gold in original, role easily replacable by Beedrill
|-
|033
|{{MS|168|Ariados}}
|{{p|Ariados}}
| High
| Johto's signature Bug/Poison
| Exclusive to Gold in original, role easily replacable by Beedrill
|-
|034
|{{MS|074|Geodude}}
|{{p|Geodude}}
| Very High
| Appeared in caves in all games to date
| Larvitar could suddenly become common and drive Geodude into being Kanto-only
|-
|035
|{{MS|075|Graveler}}
|{{p|Graveler}}
| Very High
| Appeared in caves in all games to date
| Pupitar could suddenly become common and drive Graveler into being Kanto-only
|-
|036
|{{MS|076|Golem}}
|{{p|Golem}}
| Very High
| Final evolution of one to appear in all games to date
| Requires a [[Link cable|link-trade]] evolution, another {{t|Rock}}-type could fill role of final evolution of common cave Rock
|-
|037
|{{MS|041|Zubat}}
|{{p|Zubat}}
| Very High
| Appeared in caves in all games to date
| Murkrow could suddenly become Johto's signature cave dweller
|-
|038
|{{MS|042|Golbat}}
|{{p|Golbat}}
| Very High
| Appeared in caves in all games to date
| Murkrow could suddenly become Johto's signature cave dweller
|-
|039
|{{MS|169|Crobat}}
|{{p|Crobat}}
| Very High
| [[Happiness|Friendship]] final evolution of common cave Pokémon
| [[Dusk Stone]]s could be common in Johto to support a possible Murkrow invasion
|-
|040
|{{MS|173|Cleffa}} 
|{{p|Cleffa}}
| Low
| Possibility of appearance in the Odd Egg should that Crystal element return
| Pre-evolved form of Pokémon that appeared only at [[Mt. Moon]] in original, no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
|-
|041
|{{MS|035|Clefairy}}
|{{p|Clefairy}}
| Low
| Evolves from possible Odd Egg Pokémon
| Mt. Moon could require the National Pokédex to access
|-
|042
|{{MS|036|Clefable}}
|{{p|Clefable}}
| Low
| Final form of possible Odd Egg Pokémon
| Final form of Pokémon whose signature area may require the National Pokédex to reach
|-
|043
|{{MS|174|Igglybuff}}
|{{p|Igglybuff}}
| High
| Possibility of appearance in the Odd Egg should that Crystal element return
| Evolved form could be easily moved from [[Route 46]], no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
|-
|044
|{{MS|039|Jigglypuff}}
|{{p|Jigglypuff}}
| High
| Appears on Route 46 in original
| Could be replaced on Route 46, relegating Jigglypuff to Kanto only
|-
|045
|{{MS|040|Wigglytuff}}
|{{p|Wigglytuff}}
| High
| Pre-evolved form easily obtainable early on in original
| Pre-evolved form could be easily relegated to Kanto only
|-
|046
|{{MS|175|Togepi}}
|{{p|Togepi}}
| Very High
| The [[Mystery Egg]] hatches into this
| The Mystery Egg could be changed to hold something else to stave off rumors of [[Misty]]'s return in the anime
|-
|047
|{{MS|176|Togetic}}
|{{p|Togetic}}
| Very High
| Pre-evolution nearly guaranteed to be in
| The Mystery Egg could be changed to hold something else to stave off rumors of Misty's return in the anime
|-
| ---
|{{MS|468|Togekiss}}
|{{p|Togekiss}}
| Very High
| Final evolution of original's signature egg
| Signature egg could be changed to quell rumors that Misty might get her own {{TP|Misty|Togetic}} back and evolve it
|-
|048
|{{MS|027|Sandshrew}}
|{{p|Sandshrew}}
| High
| Little chance of a Johto counterpart showing up in its locations
| {{p|Trapinch}} from [[Hoenn]] could be brought in as a surprise
|-
|049
|{{MS|028|Sandslash}}
|{{p|Sandslash}}
| High
| Little chance of a Johto counterpart showing up in its locations
| {{p|Vibrava}} from Hoenn could be brought in as a surprise
|-
|050
|{{MS|023|Ekans}}
|{{p|Ekans}}
| High
| Little chance of being surprisingly supplanted by {{p|Seviper}}
| {{p|Zangoose}} could surprisingly show up
|-
|051
|{{MS|024|Arbok}}
|{{p|Arbok}}
| High
| Little chance of being surprisingly supplanted by Seviper
| Zangoose could surprisingly show up
|}

===#052 - #101 Dunsparce - Yanma===
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! Name
! Odds
! Reason for
! Reason against
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|052
|{{MS|206|Dunsparce}}
|{{p|Dunsparce}}
| Medium
| Rare [[Pokémon outbreak|Swarm]]able in original
| Remake could include [[Sevii Islands]] and make [[Kin Island]]'s port Dunsparce's only location
|-
|053
|{{MS|179|Mareep}}
|{{p|Mareep}}
| High
| Very few {{t|Electric}}-type options within Johto
| Could possibly be supplanted by Pichu and moved to Kanto's [[Power Plant]]
|-
|054
|{{MS|180|Flaaffy}}
|{{p|Flaaffy}}
| High
| Very few Electric-type options within Johto
| Could possibly be supplanted by Pikachu and moved to Kanto's Power Plant
|-
|055
|{{MS|181|Ampharos}}
|{{p|Ampharos}}
| High
| Seen by many as the best Electric-type option before Kanto in the originals
| Pikachu could be made common in Johto in a remake and relegate Ampharos's pre-evolutions to the Power Plant
|-
|056
|{{MS|194|Wooper}}
|{{p|Wooper}}
| High
| Populates many waters in Johto, making it very difficult to relegate to being Kanto-only
| Producers could relegate Wooper to National Pokédex-required areas to demonstrate {{p|Shellos}}'s capabilities
|-
|057
|{{MS|195|Quagsire}}
|{{p|Quagsire}}
| High
| Populates many waters in Johto, making it very difficult to relegate to being Kanto-only
| Producers could relegate Quagsire to National Pokédex-required areas to demonstrate {{p|Gastrodon}}'s capabilities
|-
|058
|{{MS|092|Gastly}}
|{{p|Gastly}}
| High
| Common sight in standing Johto [[Sprout Tower|tow]][[Tin Tower|ers]] at [[night]] in original
| Misdreavus could be moved into Gastly's role in a remake
|-
|059
|{{MS|093|Haunter}}
|{{p|Haunter}}
| High
| Evolves from easy-to-find ghost
| Misdreavus and Dusk Stones could be easy to find in a remake and supplant Haunter's role
|-
|060
|{{MS|094|Gengar}}
|{{p|Gengar}}
| High
| Final evolution of common ghost
| Producers could make Mismagius the easy-to-obtain ghost of Johto
|-
|061
|{{MS|201|Unown}}
|{{p|Unown}}
| Very High
| Signature area in original was in Johto
| [[Ruins of Alph]] could be given no meaning (or a very different meaning) in a remake if the [[Tanoby Chambers]] are included
|-
|062
|{{MS|095|Onix}}
|{{p|Onix}}
| High
| Easily appearable in some Johto caves in original, as well as availability in an in-game [[trade]]
| Could be relegated to its [[Rock Tunnel|signature location]] in a remake, and its signature location could require the National Pokédex; in-game trade could be changed in a remake
|-
|063
|{{MS|208|Steelix}}
|{{p|Steelix}}
| High
| Pre-evolution does appear in some Johto caves and through in-game trade
| Pre-evolution could be relegated to Rock Tunnel in a remake
|-
|064
|{{MS|069|Bellsprout}}
|{{p|Bellsprout}}
| High
| Easy early-game Pokémon
| Could be swarmed over by Oddish in a remake
|-
|065
|{{MS|070|Weepinbell}}
|{{p|Weepinbell}}
| High
| Easily obtainable early
| Could be swarmed over by Gloom in a remake
|-
|066
|{{MS|071|Victreebel}}
|{{p|Victreebel}}
| High
| Final evolution of easy-to-find early-game Pokémon
| Role could be given to Vileplume and Bellossom in a remake
|-
|067
|{{MS|187|Hoppip}}
|{{p|Hoppip}}
| High
| Appear in an area early in the game, albeit more common in the third to the originals
| Could be made more common in Kanto and overrun out of Johto
|-
|068
|{{MS|188|Skiploom}}
|{{p|Skiploom}}
| High
| Easy to raise, provided one knows methods to get it up to level 10
| Could be made more common in Kanto and overrun out of Johto
|-
|069
|{{MS|189|Jumpluff}}
|{{p|Jumpluff}}
| High
| Final evolution of one found easily early in the game
| Final evolution of one easily overrun out of Johto
|-
|070
|{{MS|046|Paras}}
|{{p|Paras}}
| High
| Easily findable in [[Ilex Forest]]
| Programmers could deem Ilex Forest unsuitable for Paras in a remake and relegate it to Mt. Moon
|-
|071
|{{MS|047|Parasect}}
|{{p|Parasect}}
| High
| Evolves from easy-to-find forest Pokémon
| Evolves from Pokémon that could be relegated to one Kanto cave
|-
|072
|{{MS|060|Poliwag}}
|{{p|Poliwag}}
| High
| One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters, findable with the [[Old Rod]] in original
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake, no guarantee the Old Rod would work the same way in a remake
|-
|073
|{{MS|061|Poliwhirl}}
|{{p|Poliwhirl}}
| High
| One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
|-
|074
|{{MS|062|Poliwrath}}
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
| High
| One final evolution of common Pokémon findable in Johto waters
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
|-
|075
|{{MS|186|Politoed}}
|{{p|Politoed}}
| High
| One final evolution of common Pokémon findable in Johto waters
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
|-
|076
|{{MS|129|Magikarp}}
|{{p|Magikarp}}
| Very High
| It's a pathetic fish findable in nearly every body of water to date
| {{p|Feebas}} could boom population in Johto and force Magikarp to Kanto waters only
|-
|077
|{{MS|130|Gyarados}}
|{{p|Gyarados}}
| Very High
| Pre-evolution is easy to find, [[Alternate coloration|alternate-color]] Gyarados is a story event in original
| The story of the [[Lake of Rage]] could be changed to involve {{p|Milotic}} instead
|-
|078
|{{MS|118|Goldeen}}
|{{p|Goldeen}}
| Very High
| One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters, findable with the Old Rod in original
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake, no guarantee the Old Rod would work the same way in a remake
|-
|079
|{{MS|119|Seaking}}
|{{p|Seaking}}
| Very High
| One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters
| Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
|-
|080
|{{MS|079|Slowpoke}}
|{{p|Slowpoke}}
| Very High
| It's got a [[Slowpoke Well|location]] in Johto named after it, for crying out loud!
| Then again, a new legend could describe all the wild Slowpoke fleeing long ago in a remake, leaving Team Rocket to import Slowpoke for their [[Slowpoketail|scam]]...
|-
|081
|{{MS|080|Slowbro}}
|{{p|Slowbro}}
| Very High
| Has a spot in the location named for its pre-evolution
| They could write a new legend writing Slowbro out of the well
|-
|082
|{{MS|199|Slowking}}
|{{p|Slowking}}
| Very High
| Alternate final evolution of a Pokémon with a location namesake
| They could write a new legend writing Slowpoke out of the well
|-
|083
|{{MS|043|Oddish}}
|{{p|Oddish}}
| Very High
| Common sight in dark forests
| Could possibly seen as replacable by Bellsprout
|-
|084
|{{MS|044|Gloom}}
|{{p|Gloom}}
| Very High
| Common sight in some dark areas
| Could possibly seen as replacable by Weepinbell
|-
|085
|{{MS|045|Vileplume}}
|{{p|Vileplume}}
| Very High
| One final evolution of a common sight
| Could possibly seen as replacable by Victreebel
|-
|086
|{{MS|182|Bellossom}}
|{{p|Bellossom}}
| Very High
| One final evolution of a common sight
| Could possibly seen as replacable by Victreebel
|-
|087
|{{MS|096|Drowzee}}
|{{p|Drowzee}}
| High
| Appears easily near {{ci|Goldenrod}} in original
| Natu could be seen as one that could take its place
|-
|088
|{{MS|097|Hypno}}
|{{p|Hypno}}
| High
| Evolves from one findable near Goldenrod
| Xatu could be seen as one that could take its place
|-
|089
|{{MS|063|Abra}}
|{{p|Abra}}
| Very High
| Frustrating behavior has appeared in every Pokédex thus far
| {{p|Ralts}} might possibly show up and run Abra out of Johto
|-
|090
|{{MS|064|Kadabra}}
|{{p|Kadabra}}
| Very High
| Evolves from a common-to-find Pokémon
| Could be replacable by easier-to-catch {{p|Kirlia}}
|-
|091
|{{MS|065|Alakazam}}
|{{p|Alakazam}}
| Very High
| Final evolution of common-to-find Pokémon
| Link-trade evolutions could be easily relegated to Kanto only, programmers could have {{p|Gardevoir}} take its place
|-
|092
|{{MS|132|Ditto}}
|{{p|Ditto}}
| High
| Easily findable near Goldenrod in original
| Could be moved to a different location in a remake, one that might require the National Pokédex
|-
|093
|{{MS|204|Pineco}}
|{{p|Pineco}}
| High
| Rare sight by {{m|headbutt}}ing Johto trees in original
| Headbutting mechanic might not return for remake, and they might not be as easily found
|-
|094
|{{MS|205|Forretress}}
|{{p|Forretress}}
| High
| Evolution of headbutt-into-tree Pokémon
| Evolution of Pokémon found primarily in mechanic that might not return
|-
|095
|{{MS|029|Nidoran♀}}
|{{p|Nidoran♀}}
| High
| Family set up shop north of Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|096
|{{MS|030|Nidorina}}
|{{p|Nidorina}}
| High
| Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|097
|{{MS|031|Nidoqueen}}
|{{p|Nidoqueen}}
| High
| Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|098
|{{MS|032|Nidoran♂}}
|{{p|Nidoran♂}}
| High
| Family set up shop north of Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|099
|{{MS|033|Nidorino}}
|{{p|Nidorino}}
| High
| Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|100
|{{MS|034|Nidoking}}
|{{p|Nidoking}}
| High
| Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original
| Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
|-
|101
|{{MS|193|Yanma}}
|{{p|Yanma}}
| High
| Rare swarmable in original
| Signature location could be changed to National Pokédex-required location
|-
| ---
|{{MS|469|Yanmega}}
|{{p|Yanmega}}
| High
| Evolves easily from Pokémon found in a swarm
| Swarm might not return, pre-evolution could be relegated to Ruin Valley, no guarantee {{m|AncientPower}} would appear in Yanma's level-up movepool in a remake
|}

===#102 - #151 Sunkern - Magmar===
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! Odds
! Reason for
! Reason against
|-
|102
|{{MS|191|Sunkern}}
|{{p|Sunkern}}
| High
| Easily catchable at the right time in the National Park in the original
| Also has a [[Route 24|location]] in Kanto which the programmers could relegate all Sunkern to
|-
|103
|{{MS|192|Sunflora}}
|{{p|Sunflora}}
| High
| Both Sunkern and [[Sun Stone]] are easily accessible in the National Park
| The remakes could just as easily pass off Bellossom as the Sun Stone's signature result
|-
|104
|{{MS|102|Exeggcute}}
|{{p|Exeggcute}}
| High
| Easily obtained by Headbutting in the original
| They could always reopen the {{ka|Safari Zone}} in a remake, especially since [[Leaf Stone]]s were Kanto-only outside [[Mystery Gift]] in the original
|-
|105
|{{MS|103|Exeggutor}}
|{{p|Exeggutor}}
| High
| Evolves from one easy to get via Headbutt
| The originals put its evolution item in Kanto only without the need of Mystery Gift.  They could decide to make it more common closer to the Leaf Stones...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|438|Bonsly}}
|{{p|Bonsly}}
| Very High
| Its evolution is a plot point in the original, meaning the [[Rock Incense]] could easily be placed in Johto
| No point including the Rock Incense in Johto in a remake if they switch the Sudowoodo on [[Route 36]] for something else...
|-
|106
|{{MS|185|Sudowoodo}}
|{{p|Sudowoodo}}
| Very High
| It blocks Route 36, for crying out loud!
| They could just as easily block Route 36 with a Snorlax instead...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|360|Wynaut}}
|{{p|Wynaut}}
| High
| [[Lax Incense]] could easily be placed in the [[Dark Cave]], what with Wobbuffet being there in the originals...
| Wobbuffet's got {{a|Shadow Tag}}, a factor in which the producers might relocate Wobbuffet to avoid its influence...
|-
|107
|{{MS|202|Wobbuffet}}
|{{p|Wobbuffet}}
| High
| The most sought-after sight on the {{ci|Blackthorn}} side of Dark Cave in the original
| The producers might not want Shadow Tag to be an influence prior to the [[Elite Four]], and since the Elite Four was in [[Indigo Plateau|west Kanto]] in the originals...
|-
|108
|{{MS|048|Venonat}}
|{{p|Venonat}}
| High
| Easily found at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original
| If the Bug-Catching Contest doesn't return in a remake, it's pretty easy to relegate to Kanto-only status...
|-
|109
|{{MS|049|Venomoth}}
|{{p|Venomoth}}
| High
| Not that difficult to evolve a Venonat caught at the Bug-Catching Contest
| Of course, they might make it so you can't get Venonat in Johto in a remake
|-
|110
|{{MS|123|Scyther}}
|{{p|Scyther}}
| High
| One of two signature sights at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original
| They could always relegate Scyther to somewhere in Kanto and have the signature sights be bugs from a different [[generation]]...
|-
|111
|{{MS|212|Scizor}}
|{{p|Scizor}}
| High
| Sure, the [[Metal Coat]] was obtained aboard a [[S.S. Aqua|boat]] in the originals, but if Scyther remains a signature bug contest fixture...
| Then again, the producers could decide to have the Metal Coat come before Scyther...
|-
|112
|{{MS|127|Pinsir}}
|{{p|Pinsir}}
| High
| One of two signature sights at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original
| They could always relegate Pinsir to somewhere in Kanto and have the signature sights be bugs from a different generation...
|-
|113
|{{MS|214|Heracross}}
|{{p|Heracross}}
| High
| One of the Headbutt results in the original
| Headbutting might not make a return in a remake, easily making Heracross relegatable to [[Pattern Bush]]
|-
|114
|{{MS|109|Koffing}}
|{{p|Koffing}}
| High
| Found easily in [[Burned Tower]] in original
| They might add elements to the destroyed [[Cinnabar Island]] in a remake and move Koffing there...
|-
|115
|{{MS|110|Weezing}}
|{{p|Weezing}}
| High
| Evolves from easy Burned Tower find
| Of course, if Koffing gets moved to somewhere else, Weezing's bound to follow...
|-
|116
|{{MS|088|Grimer}}
|{{p|Grimer}}
| Low
| Only catchable in Kanto in originals
| They could always have Grimer in the Burned Tower instead of Koffing...
|-
|117
|{{MS|089|Muk}}
|{{p|Muk}}
| Low
| Easily found within Kanto in originals...but only within Kanto
| Its pre-evolution could be given a Johto location in a remake
|-
|118
|{{MS|081|Magnemite}}
|{{p|Magnemite}}
| Medium
| Easily findable on the path to [[Moomoo Farm]] in the original
| There's no [[Mt. Coronet]] in Johto (or Kanto, for that matter) and any suitable substitute to get its final evolution could require the National Pokédex to access
|-
|119
|{{MS|082|Magneton}}
|{{p|Magneton}}
| Medium
| One could obtain one easy by the time the Elite Four rolls around in original
| However, evolving it may pose problems that could cause its line to be omitted from Johto proper...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|462|Magnezone}}
|{{p|Magnezone}}
| Medium
| Pre-evolutions are easily obtainable in originals
| However, obtaining this form might scare the producers out of including it in Johto proper in a remake...
|-
|120
|{{MS|100|Voltorb}}
|{{p|Voltorb}}
| High
| Obtained in an in-game trade in the originals and through {{OBP|Rocket Hideout|Mahogany Town}} traps, could easily take Magnemite's place on the Moomoo Farm path due to evolution mechanic difficulties
| No guarantee the same trades will hold, and the traps could be rigged to switch Voltorb with another exploder in a remake
|-
|121
|{{MS|101|Electrode}}
|{{p|Electrode}}
| High
| Not that difficult if one dares take the trade or venture into the traps
| Of course, if neither the trade nor traps hold, we could be seeing this as Kanto-only...
|-
|122
|{{MS|190|Aipom}}
|{{p|Aipom}}
| High
| Easily found by Headbutt in original, {{m|Double Hit}} ain't that hard to obtain
| The Headbutt mechanic might not make a return...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|424|Ambipom}}
|{{p|Ambipom}}
| High
| Headbutt, catch, teach Double Hit, it's magic!
| If they take away Headbutt, they might locate Aipom somewhere that needs the National Pokédex...
|-
|123
|{{MS|209|Snubbull}}
|{{p|Snubbull}}
| High
| Rare in originals, but it did appear within Johto...
| Could be relegated to somewhere else if they don't have the old swarm methods return...
|-
|124
|{{MS|210|Granbull}}
|{{p|Granbull}}
| High
| Obtainable within Johto in originals, should one be lucky enough to catch its pre-evolution
| Its original locations might not hold in a remake...
|-
|125
|{{MS|037|Vulpix}}
|{{p|Vulpix}}
| High
| Originals had it Silver-exclusive and findable within Johto in Silver
| They could always ditch the version-exclusivity, but also shift it to a location which would require the National Pokédex...
|-
|126
|{{MS|038|Ninetales}}
|{{p|Ninetales}}
| High
| A prized version exclusive from the originals
| They might shift its pre-evolution to be closer to the [[Fire Stone]]s...which are only in Kanto in the originals...
|-
|127
|{{MS|058|Growlithe}}
|{{p|Growlithe}}
| High
| Originals had it Gold-exclusive and findable within Johto in Silver
| They could always ditch the version-exclusivity, but also shift it to a location which would require the National Pokédex...
|-
|128
|{{MS|059|Arcanine}}
|{{p|Arcanine}}
| High
| A prized version exclusive from the originals
| They might shift its pre-evolution to be closer to the Fire Stones...which are only in Kanto in the originals...
|-
|129
|{{MS|234|Stantler}}
|{{p|Stantler}}
| High
| Worked its magic close to [[Ecruteak City]] in original
| Another Normal-type could take its place in a remake, relegating Stantler to somewhere a simple Johto Pokédex isn't enough to reach
|-
| ---
|{{MS|298|Azurill}}
|{{p|Azurill}}
| High
| [[Sea Incense]]'s best location in a remake is [[Mt. Mortar]] if its evolution remains there
| No guarantee its evolution'll remain in Mt. Mortar or in Johto
|-
|130
|{{MS|183|Marill}}
|{{p|Marill}}
| High
| Rare sight in originals, but it was in Johto's Mt. Mortar
| Could make it a bit more common, but exclusively in National Pokédex-required areas...
|-
|131
|{{MS|184|Azumarill}}
|{{p|Azumarill}}
| High
| Not easy to get in originals, but obtainable prior to Elite Four in originals
| The Elite Four might have to be defeated in order to access the Marill...
|-
|132
|{{MS|050|Diglett}}
|{{p|Diglett}}
| Low
| {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} broke the [[Diglett's Cave]] stereotype, meaning they could be findable in places such as [[Union Cave]] in a remake
| It's got a signature location that might require the National Pokédex to access
|-
|133
|{{MS|051|Dugtrio}}
|{{p|Dugtrio}}
| Low
| Depths of Union Cave or upper reaches of Mt. Mortar might make a good fit
| Of course, it could always stay in Diglett's Cave and might need the National Pokédex to reach...
|-
|134
|{{MS|056|Mankey}}
|{{p|Mankey}}
| Medium
| Gold-exclusive in the originals and findable within Johto there
| Problem is, its Silver-version counterpart has {{a|Pickup}}, which might make it a bit more attractive to the producers to include in the remakes...
|-
|135
|{{MS|057|Primeape}}
|{{p|Primeape}}
| Medium
| Gold-exclusive in the originals and easily evolvable from one findable within Johto
| Pre-evolved form's Silver counterpart has Pickup, which could make this line Kanto-only in remakes, even if it's findable in both games of it
|-
|136
|{{MS|052|Meowth}}
|{{p|Meowth}}
| High
| Silver-exclusive in the originals and findable in Johto there, Pickup could make it common in both games of a remake
| The producers might have Teddiursa on Route 46 in remakes and have it be the attractive Pickupper
|-
|137
|{{MS|053|Persian}}
|{{p|Persian}}
| High
| Silver-exclusive in the originals, and easily evolvable from potential signature Pickupper
| Of course, if Teddiursa becomes the signature Pickupper, that might give the producers more incentive to include Mankey/Primeape within Johto in both games of a remake...
|-
|138
|{{MS|054|Psyduck}}
|{{p|Psyduck}}
| High
| [[Misty's Psyduck|Clueless]]ly swam ponds in the Ilex Forest in original
| They might give Psyduck the [[IQ|intelligence]] to recognize the Ilex Forest as having {{t|Grass}}-types that could easily harm it and relegate Psyduck to Kanto-only...
|-
|139
|{{MS|055|Golduck}}
|{{p|Golduck}}
| High
| One could easily nab a Psyduck in Ilex Forest and evolve it
| Then again, they could put Psyduck in Kanto only in a remake...
|-
|140
|{{MS|066|Machop}}
|{{p|Machop}}
| High
| An in-game trade got you one in the originals, and also findable at Mt. Mortar there too...
| Then again, they could have Machop in Rock Tunnel only and require the National Pokédex to reach it, and the in-game trade could easily be Drowzee for Mime Jr....
|-
|141
|{{MS|067|Machoke}}
|{{p|Machoke}}
| High
| You could be raising one by the time you reach the Elite Four if Machop's in the right locations
| ...Which it might not be in a remake...
|-
|142
|{{MS|068|Machamp}}
|{{p|Machamp}}
| High
| Sure, it requires trading, but you can get Machoke within Johto in the originals, and obviously any trade restrictions are on the other guy's end by that point in time...
| ...unless they change the locations and impose National Pokédex-based trade restrictions...
|-
|143
|{{MS|236|Tyrogue}}
|{{p|Tyrogue}}
| High
| The [[Kiyo|Karate King]] gives you one in the originals
| Then again, the Karate King could just as easily train the Sevii Islands instead...
|-
|144
|{{MS|106|Hitmonlee}}
|{{p|Hitmonlee}}
| High
| Beat the Karate King, have {{stat|Attack}} overtake {{stat|Defense}}, and you've got a Hitmonlee to take on [[Bruno]]'s!
| Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
|-
|145
|{{MS|107|Hitmonchan}}
|{{p|Hitmonchan}}
| High
| Beat the Karate King, have Defense overtake Attack, and you've got a Hitmonchan to take on Bruno's!
| Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
|-
|146
|{{MS|237|Hitmontop}}
|{{p|Hitmontop}}
| High
| Beat the Karate King, have Attack and Defense balance, and you've got a Hitmontop to take on Bruno's!  (Of course, Bruno's could have Intimidate, but it doesn't affect the chances...)
| Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
|-
|147
|{{MS|203|Girafarig}}
|{{p|Girafarig}}
| High
| It's en route to Lake of Rage in the original, and since [[Route 43|that path]] had to be taken in the original...
| Then again, they could shift its location in a remake...
|-
|148
|{{MS|128|Tauros}}
|{{p|Tauros}}
| Very High
| Both it and its female counterpart appear close to Moomoo Farm in the original
| Then again, they could relegate them to a reopened Safari Zone and create a new backstory for the farm...
|-
|149
|{{MS|241|Miltank}}
|{{p|Miltank}}
| Very High
| Both it and its male counterpart appear close to Moomoo Farm in the original
| Then again, they could relegate them to a reopened Safari Zone and make it so that Moomoo Farm imports their Miltank in a remake...
|-
|150
|{{MS|240|Magby}}
|{{p|Magby}}
| Medium
| They could always follow the original's lead and have its evolved form findable in Burned Tower
| They could always follow Crystal's lead and have its evolved form findable only in [[Mt. Silver|Silver Cave]]
|-
|151
|{{MS|126|Magmar}}
|{{p|Magmar}}
| Medium
| They could always follow the original's lead and have it findable in Burned Tower
| They could always follow Crystal's lead and have it findable only in Silver Cave
|-
| ---
|{{MS|467|Magmortar}}
|{{p|Magmortar}}
| Medium
| They could put a free [[Magmarizer]] in the Burned Tower if Magmar appears there
| Then again, the free Magmarizer is just as easily put in Silver Cave if Magmar appears there instead...
|}

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! Name
! Odds
! Reason for
! Reason against
|-
|152
|{{MS|238|Smoochum}}
|{{p|Smoochum}}
| Medium
| Evolved form is easily findable in [[Ice Path]] in originals
| Evolution could be made National Pokédex-required in a remake by shifting its location...
|-
|153
|{{MS|124|Jynx}}
|{{p|Jynx}}
| Medium
| It and its black face are easily findable in the Ice Path in the originals
| Then again, they could always shuffle it and its black face into Icefall Cave in a remake...
|-
|154
|{{MS|239|Elekid}}
|{{p|Elekid}}
| Medium
| They could easily work it and/or its evolution into the Johto wild, what with Jynx and Magmar already there in the originals...
| Then again, they could just as easily relegate its counterparts into National Pokédex-required areas in a remake...
|-
|155
|{{MS|125|Electabuzz}}
|{{p|Electabuzz}}
| Medium
| They could easily work it and/or its pre-evolution into the Johto wild, what with Jynx and Magmar already there in the originals...
| Then again, they could just as easily relegate its counterparts into National Pokédex-required areas in a remake...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|466|Electivire}}
|{{p|Electivire}}
| Medium
| They'll probably put a free [[Electrizer]] wherever its pre-evolution may roam
| Its pre-evolution roams [[Route 10]] in the originals, and that may hold in a remake
|-
| ---
|{{MS|439|Mime Jr.}}
|{{p|Mime Jr.}}
| Medium
| If Sudowoodo stays put in a remake, odds are Mr. Mime'll have to show up in Johto somewhere...
| If Sudowoodo doesn't stay put in a remake, there's no reason it or Mr. Mime'll show up outside Kanto
|-
|156
|{{MS|122|Mr. Mime}}
|{{p|Mr. Mime}}
| Medium
| The fact that it's Sudowoodo's counterpart increases the odds of it or pre-evolution being given Johto locations in remake
| The fact that it's Sudowoodo's counterpart could give the producers ideas of relegating Sudowoodo to be Kanto-only and not make Mr. Mime any more accessible earlier
|-
|157
|{{MS|235|Smeargle}}
|{{p|Smeargle}}
| High
| The Ruins of Alph is where it roams in the originals
| The producers could easily find it another place for it to paint, making Natu the only one findable in the Ruins of Alph grasses...
|-
|158
|{{MS|083|Farfetch'd}}
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
| High
| Easily findable on the path to Moomoo Farm in the originals
| They could put it in a National Pokédex-required area in a remake
|-
|159
|{{MS|177|Natu}}
|{{p|Natu}}
| High
| Once you make it to the Ruins of Alph grasses, it's common
| The Ruins of Alph grasses could just as easily yield only Smeargle in a remake
|-
|160
|{{MS|178|Xatu}}
|{{p|Xatu}}
| High
| Find one in the Ruins of Alph grasses, it can be obtained within Johto
| Then again, if Natu gets shifted away from the Ruins of Alph in a remake, there's no longer any gurantees...
|-
|161
|{{MS|211|Qwilfish}}
|{{p|Qwilfish}}
| High
| Only appears in one pond in original, and that one pond is on [[Route 32]]
| They could just as easily make its only home [[Water Labyrinth]] in a remake
|-
|162
|{{MS|072|Tentacool}}
|{{p|Tentacool}}
| Very High
| It's been in many water areas in every game to date
| They could relegate Tentacool to one National Pokédex-required pond in a remake in order to break the stereotype
|-
|163
|{{MS|073|Tentacruel}}
|{{p|Tentacruel}}
| Very High
| It's been in many water areas in every game to date
| They could relegate Tentacruel to one National Pokédex-required pond in a remake in order to break the stereotype
|-
|164
|{{MS|098|Krabby}}
|{{p|Krabby}}
| High
| Easily findable in [[Olivine City]] and similar areas in originals
| The producers could just as easily reincorporate {{p|Corphish}} into its place within Johto
|-
|165
|{{MS|099|Kingler}}
|{{p|Kingler}}
| High
| Pre-evolution is easy to fish up or smash out in originals
| The producers could just as easily reincorporate Crawdaunt into its place within Johto
|-
|166
|{{MS|213|Shuckle}}
|{{p|Shuckle}}
| High
| {{m|Rock Smash}} got them out in the originals, and since the only smashable rock in Kanto didn't have any Pokémon in it...
| I've yet to get a single Pokémon by smashing rocks in Diamond/Pearl, and I've smashed a lot.  They might have to have another method to get Shuckle, and it might require the National Pokédex...
|-
|167
|{{MS|120|Staryu}}
|{{p|Staryu}}
| High
| Needed [[Good Rod|better]] [[Super Rod|rods]] to get in original, but they were findable in Johto
| They could just as easily separate Staryu from Krabby and Corsola in the fishing setups
|-
|168
|{{MS|121|Starmie}}
|{{p|Starmie}}
| High
| Pre-evolution eeded better rods to get in original, but they were findable in Johto
| They could just as easily have Staryu be common closest to the [[Water Stone]]s--Kanto only in the originals
|-
|169
|{{MS|090|Shellder}}
|{{p|Shellder}}
| High
| Easily findable in Olivine Harbor, and for all we know, Johto's [[Move Relearner]] might be a woman with a [[Valuable item#Pearl and Big Pearl|pearl]] fetish
| They could be made Kanto-only in a remake, and there's no guarantee its Pearls will have a use beyond selling...
|-
|170
|{{MS|091|Cloyster}}
|{{p|Cloyster}}
| High
| If Shellder's there, odds are someone'll know how to get Cloyster within Johto, even if you can't
| They might move Shellder to be closer to the Water Stones, which were only in Kanto in the originals
|-
|171
|{{MS|222|Corsola}}
|{{p|Corsola}}
| High
| Daytime counterpart of Staryu in the originals
| Might remain such...even if it means following Staryu into relegation to National Pokédex-required areas
|-
|172
|{{MS|223|Remoraid}}
|{{p|Remoraid}}
| High
| Appeared in a swarm in originals
| Not only could the swarm not be kept, but its location might not be either
|-
|173
|{{MS|224|Octillery}}
|{{p|Octillery}}
| High
| Evolves from Pokémon findable in swarm
| They could always move its pre-evolution to National Pokédex-required area...
|-
|174
|{{MS|170|Chinchou}}
|{{p|Chinchou}}
| High
| Good Rod, waters in player's [[New Bark Town|hometown]] have these
| Then again, they could reduce its appearance and trim away locations down to areas that require the National Pokédex
|-
|175
|{{MS|171|Lanturn}}
|{{p|Lanturn}}
| High
| Evolves from easy Good Rod catch from domestic waters
| Pre-evolution could be relegated to waters outside the player's home country...
|-
|176
|{{MS|086|Seel}}
|{{p|Seel}}
| High
| All over the [[Whirl Islands]] in the original
| Something else could be all over the Whirl Islands in a remake
|-
|177
|{{MS|087|Dewgong}}
|{{p|Dewgong}}
| High
| One could potentially have one come Elite Four time if one works hard enough
| Then again, if a remake runs Seel out of the Whirl Islands...
|-
|178
|{{MS|108|Lickitung}}
|{{p|Lickitung}}
| High
| Easily findable in the center island of [[Route 44]]
| Just one location in the originals, could be easy to shift out of the country
|-
| ---
|{{MS|463|Lickilicky}}
|{{p|Lickilicky}}
| High
| {{m|Rollout}} ain't too difficult to attain
| Of course, if Lickitung doesn't appear on the Route 44 center island...
|-
|179
|{{MS|114|Tangela}}
|{{p|Tangela}}
| High
| Easily findable in the center island of Route 44
| Just one domestic location in the originals, could be easy to shift out of the country
|-
| ---
|{{MS|465|Tangrowth}}
|{{p|Tangrowth}}
| High
| AncientPower ain't too difficult to attain
| Of course, if Tangela doesn't appear on the Route 44 center island...
|-
|180
|{{MS|133|Eevee}}
|{{p|Eevee}}
| Medium
| Come on, an [[Eeveelution]] [[Bill|maniac]] gives you one in the originals at a rather early point!
| Then again, there's no [[Moss Rock]] or [[Ice Rock]] in Johto (or Kanto for that matter), meaning Bill might not consider handing over Eevee until you get the National Pokédex...
|-
|181
|{{MS|134|Vaporeon}}
|{{p|Vaporeon}}
| Medium
| Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without [[Mystery Gift|worka]][[Pokémon Stadium 2|rounds]]), it's easily seeable through [[Kuni]] of the [[Kimono Girl]]s...
| Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain {{HM|03|Surf}}, not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
|-
|182
|{{MS|135|Jolteon}}
|{{p|Jolteon}}
| Medium
| Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without workarounds), it's easily seeable through [[Miki]] of the Kimono Girls...
| Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain {{HM|03|Surf}}, not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
|-
|183
|{{MS|136|Flareon}}
|{{p|Flareon}}
| Medium
| Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without workarounds), it's easily seeable through [[Naoko]] of the Kimono Girls...
| Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain {{HM|03|Surf}}, not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
|-
|184
|{{MS|196|Espeon}}
|{{p|Espeon}}
| Medium
| Even though you can only get one Eeveelution before the Elite Four without breeding, it's easily seeable through [[Sayo]] of the Kimono Girls...
| Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain {{HM|03|Surf}}...
|-
|185
|{{MS|197|Umbreon}}
|{{p|Umbreon}}
| Medium
| Even though you can only get one Eeveelution before the Elite Four without breeding,it's easily seeable through [[Zuki]] of the Kimono Girls...
| Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain {{HM|03|Surf}}...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|470|Leafeon}}
|{{p|Leafeon}}
| Medium
| ...They could always make the Kimono Girls a family of seven in a remake...
| Any equivalent to Moss Rock would probably require the National Pokédex to reach
|-
| ---
|{{MS|471|Glaceon}}
|{{p|Glaceon}}
| Medium
| ...They could always make the Kimono Girls a family of seven in a remake...
| Any equivalent to Ice Rock would probably require the National Pokédex to reach
|-
|186
|{{MS|116|Horsea}}
|{{p|Horsea}}
| High
| One can be found easily in the Whirl Islands
| Then again, it could be shifted to its old Kanto waters in a remake...
|-
|187
|{{MS|117|Seadra}}
|{{p|Seadra}}
| High
| Easily evolves from specimens in the Whirl Islands
| Of course, if Horsea gets shifted...
|-
|188
|{{MS|230|Kingdra}}
|{{p|Kingdra}}
| High
| [[Dragon Scale]] in the original appears in the rear of Mt. Mortar, making Kingdra pre-Elite Four easy
| Then again, Dragon Scale could be relocated if Horsea gets relocated out of the Whirl Islands...
|-
|189
|{{MS|207|Gligar}}
|{{p|Gligar}}
| High
| One can search for this Gold-exclusive on [[Route 45]] in the originals
| Technically, anything with a wild-appearance location could possibly be relocated...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|472|Gliscor}}
|{{p|Gliscor}}
| High
| Who wants to wager we'll see a [[Razor Fang]] near the Dratini pool on Route 45 in a remake?
| Granted, if the Gligar don't stick around, the Razor Fang is best left elsewhere...
|-
|190
|{{MS|225|Delibird}}
|{{p|Delibird}}
| High
| Anyone with Silver could tend to find them easily on the Ice Path
| Of course, there's a good cave in the Sevii Islands they could be relocated to...
|-
|191
|{{MS|220|Swinub}}
|{{p|Swinub}}
| High
| One of the most common entries in the Ice Path
| However, they might keep Swinub penned into [[Icefall Cave]], which would probably require the National Pokédex...
|-
|192
|{{MS|221|Piloswine}}
|{{p|Piloswine}}
| High
| We'll probably be seeing this on [[Pryce]]'s team again...
| Then again, all gym teams are technically subject to changes in a remake...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|473|Mamoswine}}
|{{p|Mamoswine}}
| High
| Move Relearner.  No matter [[Heart Scale|what]] [[Valuable item#Tinymushroom and Big Mushroom|the cost]], one can attain AncientPower.
| Of course, if Swinub gets penned into Icefall Cave, there's no real point to sweeping the Elite Four with one...
|-
|193
|{{MS|216|Teddiursa}}
|{{p|Teddiursa}}
| High
| Pickup could spur the developers to include this Gold-exclusive from the originals on Route 46 in both halves of a remake, and it appeared in Johto in the originals nonetheless
| Then again, Meowth or Phanpy might be seen as a more attractive option for the signature Pickupper...
|-
|194
|{{MS|217|Ursaring}}
|{{p|Ursaring}}
| High
| Could be easily attractive options to both halves of a remake despite being Gold-exclusive in the original
| They might relegate it to areas that require the National Pokédex if Meowth or Phanpy is chosen as the signature Pickupper...
|-
|195
|{{MS|231|Phanpy}}
|{{p|Phanpy}}
| High
| Pickup could spur the developers to include this Silver-exclusive from the originals on Route 46 in both halves of a remake, and it appeared in Johto in the originals nonetheless
| Then again, Meowth or Teddiursa might be seen as a more attractive option for the signature Pickupper...
|-
|196
|{{MS|232|Donphan}}
|{{p|Donphan}}
| High
| Could be easily attractive options to both halves of a remake despite being Silver-exclusive in the original
| They might relegate it to areas that require the National Pokédex if Meowth or Teddiursa is chosen as the signature Pickupper...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|458|Mantyke}}
|{{p|Mantyke}}
| High
| Evolution appeared in rare waters in original Gold, [[Wave Incense]] could be attractive within the Whirl Islands
| If Mantine gets moved away from domestic waters, the Wave Incense probably will as well...
|-
|197
|{{MS|226|Mantine}}
|{{p|Mantine}}
| High
| Only one body of water in the original, and Gold-exclusive on top of that, but said body of water is domestic...
| Wanna bet it'll appear at [[Quest Island]]'s [[Trainer Tower]] area in a remake, shifted there or not?
|-
|198
|{{MS|227|Skarmory}}
|{{p|Skarmory}}
| High
| One can search for this Silver-exclusive on Route 45 in the originals
| Technically, anything with a wild-appearance location could possibly be relocated...
|-
|199
|{{MS|084|Doduo}}
|{{p|Doduo}}
| High
| Yes, it only appeared in Kanto in the original; however, anything [[Route 27|on the road]] [[Route 26|to the Elite Four]] probably won't require the National Pokédex to access
| They could just as easily reopen the Safari Zone or relegate Doduo to Route 22 in a remake...
|-
|200
|{{MS|085|Dodrio}}
|{{p|Dodrio}}
| High
| On road to Elite Four, probably won't require National Pokédex despite being Kanto-only in original
| Then again, they could narrow its locations to inner Kanto...
|}

===#201 - #251 Ponyta - Celebi===
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! #
!
! Name
! Odds
! Reason for
! Reason against
|-
|201
|{{MS|077|Ponyta}}
|{{p|Ponyta}}
| High
| Appeared only in Kanto in original, but its range includes the road to the Elite Four, which probably won't require the National Pokédex
| Could be easily shifted away from Routes 26 and 27 in a remake
|-
|202
|{{MS|078|Rapidash}}
|{{p|Rapidash}}
| High
| Pre-evolution findable on route to Elite Four in original
| No guarantee it's still going to be on the road to the Elite Four in a remake
|-
|203
|{{MS|104|Cubone}}
|{{p|Cubone}}
| Low
| It was available at the [[Goldenrod Game Corner]] in Crystal, they could use the Crystal list to expand the inventory (especially since the {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} vendors offered five at a time)
| Rock Tunnel only in original, no guarantee of a change in Game Corner listings
|-
|204
|{{MS|105|Marowak}}
|{{p|Marowak}}
| Low
| Evolution of possible Game Corner Pokémon
| Line could remain relegated to the Rock Tunnel in a remake
|-
|205
|{{MS|115|Kangaskhan}}
|{{p|Kangaskhan}}
| Low
| ...They could expand its reach into Johto in a remake, Route 44 might make a good location
| Only appeared in Rock Tunnel in original, no guarantee it's not staying put
|-
|206
|{{MS|111|Rhyhorn}}
|{{p|Rhyhorn}}
| High
| Sure, it only appeared in Kanto in original, but it appeared [[Victory Road (Kanto)|en route to the Elite Four]], which I highly doubt would require the National Pokédex to reach in a remake
| ...They could always reopen the Safari Zone and move it there...
|-
|207
|{{MS|112|Rhydon}}
|{{p|Rhydon}}
| High
| Pre-evolution probably one of the last new species one sees en route to Elite Four
| No guarantee the Safari Zone will remain closed and Rhyhorn moving back there
|-
| ---
|{{MS|464|Rhyperior}}
|{{p|Rhyperior}}
| High
| Protector's most likely position in remake is Victory Road if Rhyhorn remains there
| Protector's most likely position in remake is the Safari Zone if Rhyhorn gets shifted to a reopened facility
|-
|208
|{{MS|198|Murkrow}}
|{{p|Murkrow}}
| Low
| ...There is that Murkrow in the Rocket Hideout in {{to|Mahogany}}, and it could be brought in from closer by in a remake...
| No guarantee Murkrow will be flocking to Johto
|-
| ---
|{{MS|430|Honchkrow}}
|{{p|Honchkrow}}
| Low
| They could make Dusk Stones more common
| No sense making Dusk Stones more common if both Murkrow and Misdreavus remain relegated to where they were in originals
|-
|209
|{{MS|228|Houndour}}
|{{p|Houndour}}
| Low
| They could make Vulpix and/or Growlithe daytime-only and let Houndour roam Johto at night
| Vulpix and/or Growlithe could continue roaming 24/7 and keep Houndour relegated to Kanto
|-
|210
|{{MS|229|Houndoom}}
|{{p|Houndoom}}
| Low
| Pre-evolution could become a more common sight at night in Johto
| No guarantee Vulpix or Growlithe are going anywhere at night
|-
|211
|{{MS|218|Slugma}}
|{{p|Slugma}}
| Low
| Johto didn't have many Fire-types around in the original, and two such lines were version exclusives on top of that; producers could shift Slugma's location to ease a potential Fire squeeze
| Only appeared on {{ka|Cycling Road}} in original, no guarantee Vulpix and Growlithe will be version-exclusive in remakes (Meowth sure as hell wasn't in FireRed and LeafGreen)
|-
|212
|{{MS|219|Magcargo}}
|{{p|Magcargo}}
| Low
| It or its pre-evolution could be placed in an accessible area of Johto in a remake
| Pre-evolution only appeared on Cycling Road in original, there are other ways to alleviate potential Fire squeeze
|-
|213
|{{MS|215|Sneasel}}
|{{p|Sneasel}}
| Medium
| It was shifted to the Ice Path in Crystal, a lead remakes might follow...
| Only appeared in the Silver Cave area and [[Route 28]] in original, areas a remake might require the National Pokédex to access
|-
| ---
|{{MS|461|Weavile}}
|{{p|Weavile}}
| Medium
| If remakes follow Crystal's lead on its pre-evolution, a well-placed [[Razor Claw]] might do the trick...
| If remakes follow the original's lead on its pre-evolution, said Razor Claw might be in the Silver Cave along with said pre-evolution
|-
|214
|{{MS|200|Misdreavus}}
|{{p|Misdreavus}}
| Low
| Could become more common in Johto's caves
| Only cave it appeared in in original was the Silver Cave, and that requires going through Kanto to reach, meaning you might need the National Pokédex...
|-
| ---
|{{MS|429|Mismagius}}
|{{p|Mismagius}}
| Low
| Dusk Stones could become common, making one fairly easy to obtain if Misdreavus appears earlier
| Pre-evolution requires going through Kanto to reach
|-
|215
|{{MS|137|Porygon}}
|{{p|Porygon}}
| Very Low
| Bill could find one of these instead of an Eevee in the storyline
| Winnable only at the [[Celadon Game Corner]] in originals, and that Game Corner might require the National Pokédex; odds are Bill ain't straying from Eevee anytime soon
|-
|216
|{{MS|233|Porygon2}}
|{{p|Porygon2}}
| Very Low
| ...What if the Goldenrod Game Corner were to stock [[Up-Grade]]s?
| Not only is its pre-evolution only obtainable through coins in Kanto only, but its evolution item is also obtained in Kanto in the originals
|-
| ---
|{{MS|474|Porygon-Z}}
|{{p|Porygon-Z}}
| Very Low
| ...What if the Goldenrod Game Corner were to stock [[Dubious Disc]]s?
| Fully unevolved form only obtainable through coins in Kanto only, no guarantee the Dubious Disc will even appear in Johto
|-
| ---
|{{MS|440|Happiny}}
|{{p|Happiny}}
| Very Low
| They could bring back the Odd Egg from Crystal and expand it to include Pokémon such as Happiny...
| No guarantee of the Odd Egg's return, evolved form appeared only in Kanto in original and was rare even then
|-
|217
|{{MS|113|Chansey}}
|{{p|Chansey}}
| Very Low
| Evolution of possible Odd Egg Pokémon from appended list
| Only appeared in Kanto in original, and even then was rare; no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
|-
|218
|{{MS|242|Blissey}}
|{{p|Blissey}}
| Very Low
| Final evolution of possible Odd Egg Pokémon from appended list
| Pre-evolved form only appeared in Kanto in original, and even then was rare; no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
|-
|219
|{{MS|131|Lapras}}
|{{p|Lapras}}
| High
| Part of a {{DL|Days of the week|Friday|timed event}} in a Johto cave
| They could make it so the timed event requires the National Pokédex to trigger
|-
|220
|{{MS|138|Omanyte}}
|{{p|Omanyte}}
| Very Low
| Its [[Helix Fossil|fossil]] could be easily findable in [[the Underground]]
| There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
|-
|221
|{{MS|139|Omastar}}
|{{p|Omastar}}
| Very Low
| ...If the Underground appears and fossils can be resurrected in Johto, then it would be easy to obtain...
| No guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
|-
|222
|{{MS|140|Kabuto}}
|{{p|Kabuto}}
| Very Low
| Its [[Dome Fossil|fossil]] could be easily findable in the Underground
| There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
|-
|223
|{{MS|141|Kabutops}}
|{{p|Kabutops}}
| Very Low
| ...If the Underground appears and fossils can be resurrected in Johto, then it would be easy to obtain...
| No guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
|-
|224
|{{MS|142|Aerodactyl}}
|{{p|Aerodactyl}}
| Very Low
| Its [[Old Amber|fossil]] could be easily findable in the Underground; possibility that Kanto may not require the National Pokédex opens possibility for in-game trade
| There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake; odds are Kanto will require the National Pokédex, and even then there's no guarantee the in-game trade would return in a remake
|-
| ---
|{{MS|446|Munchlax}}
|{{p|Munchlax}}
| Very Low
| [[Full Incense|Breeding result]] of a Pokémon that could be a replacement Route 36 roadblock
| Odds are Sudowoodo's keeping its title
|-
|225
|{{MS|143|Snorlax}}
|{{p|Snorlax}}
| Very Low
| ...They could put it to block Route 36 in Sudowoodo's stead
| Odds are Sudowoodo's keeping its title, relegating Snorlax to block only one way in Kanto
|-
|226
|{{MS|001|Bulbasaur}}
|{{p|Bulbasaur}}
| Very Low
| [[Professor Oak|Prof. Oak]] might get a "bright idea" similar to [[Professor Birch|Prof. Birch]]'s in {{v2|Emerald}}
| Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
|-
|227
|{{MS|002|Ivysaur}}
|{{p|Ivysaur}}
| Very Low
| [[Ash's Gliscor|Stranger things have happened...]]
| Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|228
|{{MS|003|Venusaur}}
|{{p|Venusaur}}
| Very Low
| Stranger things have happened...
| Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|229
|{{MS|004|Charmander}}
|{{p|Charmander}}
| Very Low
| Prof. Oak might get a "bright idea" similar to Prof. Birch's in Emerald
| Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
|-
|230
|{{MS|005|Charmeleon}}
|{{p|Charmeleon}}
| Very Low
| Stranger things have happened...
| Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|231
|{{MS|006|Charizard}}
|{{p|Charizard}}
| Very Low
| Stranger things have happened...
| Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|232
|{{MS|007|Squirtle}}
|{{p|Squirtle}}
| Very Low
| Prof. Oak might get a "bright idea" similar to Prof. Birch's in Emerald
| Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
|-
|233
|{{MS|008|Wartortle}}
|{{p|Wartortle}}
| Very Low
| Stranger things have happened...
| Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|234
|{{MS|009|Blastoise}}
|{{p|Blastoise}}
| Very Low
| Stranger things have happened...
| Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
|-
|235
|{{MS|144|Articuno}}
|{{p|Articuno}}
| Very Low
| Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...
| Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the [[Pokémon Platinum Version|third to Sinnoh's games]] on top of that
|-
|236
|{{MS|145|Zapdos}}
|{{p|Zapdos}}
| Very Low
| Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...
| Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the third to Sinnoh's games on top of that
|-
|237
|{{MS|146|Moltres}}
|{{p|Moltres}}
| Very Low
| Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...
| Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the third to Sinnoh's games on top of that
|-
|238
|{{MS|243|Raikou}}
|{{p|Raikou}}
| Guaranteed
| Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games
| -
|-
|239
|{{MS|244|Entei}}
|{{p|Entei}}
| Guaranteed
| Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games
| -
|-
|240
|{{MS|245|Suicune}}
|{{p|Suicune}}
| Guaranteed
| Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games
| -
|-
|241
|{{MS|147|Dratini}}
|{{p|Dratini}}
| High
| Appears in [[Dragon's Den|holy dragon territory]] in originals, which is situated in Johto
| No guarantee [[Clair]] will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dratini
|-
|242
|{{MS|148|Dragonair}}
|{{p|Dragonair}}
| High
| Appears in holy dragon territory in originals, which is situated in Johto
| No guarantee Clair will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dragonair
|-
|243
|{{MS|149|Dragonite}}
|{{p|Dragonite}}
| High
| Final evolution of one findable in holy dragon territory
| No guarantee Clair will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dragonair
|-
|244
|{{MS|246|Larvitar}}
|{{p|Larvitar}}
| Low
| Could break its "very rare" stereotype and be common in Johto in a remake
| Only appeared in Silver Cave in originals, an area which requires going through Kanto to access, and thus could require the National Pokédex to reach
|-
|245
|{{MS|247|Pupitar}}
|{{p|Pupitar}}
| Low
| Could break its "very rare" stereotype and be common in Johto in a remake
| Evolves from one that only appeared in Silver Cave in originals, an area which requires going through Kanto to access, and thus could require the National Pokédex to reach
|-
|246
|{{MS|248|Tyranitar}}
|{{p|Tyranitar}}
| Low
| Final evolution of one that could break its stereotype
| Final evolution of one that could keep its stereotype going
|-
|247
|{{MS|249|Lugia}}
|{{p|Lugia}}
| Guaranteed
| It's pretty much going to be the [[version mascot]] for the Silver side of the remakes, for crying out loud!
| -
|-
|248
|{{MS|250|Ho-Oh}}
|{{p|Ho-Oh}}
| Guaranteed
| It's pretty much going to be the version mascot for the Gold side of the remakes, for crying out loud!
| -
|-
|249
|{{MS|150|Mewtwo}}
|{{p|Mewtwo}}
| Very Low
| Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element, especially since it didn't appear in the third to Sinnoh's games
| Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals (although some of its [[Berserk Gene|genes]] did)
|-
|250
|{{MS|151|Mew}}
|{{p|Mew}}
| Low
| An [[event Pokémon]] that could be easily obtained through events not requiring the National Pokédex to obtain
| Some event Pokémon native to Sinnoh didn't appear in that country's Pokédex, leaving no guarantee that Mew would appear in a remake's Johto Pokédex
|-
|251
|{{MS|251|Celebi}}
|{{p|Celebi}}
| Medium
| An event Pokémon that could be easily obtained through events not requiring the National Pokédex to obtain, especially since the GS Ball could be worked in
| Some event Pokémon native to Sinnoh didn't appear in that country's Pokédex, leaving no guarantee Celebi will appear in a remake's Johto Pokédex either
|}