User:Shiningpikablu252/Remake Johto Dex Odds Predictions

One question surrounding the recently announced Generation II remakes is what will be in the game's new Johto Pokédex? Quite obviously, we're not going to have all 493 Pokémon in it. In fact, given how some elements introduced in later games will probably make their way into the game, odds are the new Johto Pokédex will be smaller than the old one, since it's entirely possible you'll need the National Pokédex to go to the main meat of the game's other country. Therefore, it's impossible to accurately predict the new Johto Pokédex listing.

This listing is what I think are the odds each Pokémon in the original Johto Pokédex, as well as later-introduced additions to their evolution chain, have of making it into the new Johto Pokédex. Pokémon are listed in modified original Johto Pokédex order; the full extent of the modifications to the list are inclusions of Pokémon such as Azurill and Ambipom who have Pokémon from the first two generations in their evolution lines. Note that I cannot guarantee any of these odds will hold (i.e. a "Very High" could be surprisingly omitted, while a "Very Low" could find its way in). You might be surprised at some of the odds I give...

#001 - #051 Chikorita - Arbok

#		Name	Odds	Reason for	Reason against
001		Chikorita	Guaranteed	One of the starters in the original	-
002		Bayleef	Guaranteed	Middle evolution of a native starter line	-
003		Meganium	Guaranteed	Final evolution of a native starter line	-
004		Cyndaquil	Guaranteed	One of the starters in the original	-
005		Quilava	Guaranteed	Middle evolution of a native starter line	-
006		Typhlosion	Guaranteed	Final evolution of a native starter line	-
007		Totodile	Guaranteed	One of the starters in the original	-
008		Croconaw	Guaranteed	Middle evolution of a native starter line	-
009		Feraligatr	Guaranteed	Final evolution of a native starter line	-
010		Pidgey	High	Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot	Spearow could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot instead and appear in Pidgey's place
011		Pidgeotto	High	Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl	Fearow could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl instead
012		Pidgeot	High	Final evolution of a common line	Could be final evolution of a line relegated to Kanto only if Spearow is considered Hoothoot's daytime counterpart
013		Spearow	High	Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot	Pidgey could be considered a daytime counterpart to Hoothoot instead and appear in Spearow's place
014		Fearow	High	Appears in Johto in original; could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl	Pidgeotto could be considered a daytime counterpart to Noctowl instead
015		Hoothoot	Very High	Johto's signature Normal/Flying	Could be replacable by a 24/7 Normal/Flying
016		Noctowl	Very High	Johto's signature Normal/Flying	Could be replacable by a 24/7 Normal/Flying
017		Rattata	High	Common in Johto	Possibility of Sentret overrunning the country and relegating Rattata to Kanto only
018		Raticate	High	Easily obtained in Johto	Furret's easier to obtain, possibility of being relegated to Kanto only in wild
019		Sentret	High	Johto's signature pure Normal	Could be seen as replacable by Rattata
020		Furret	High	Johto's signature pure Normal	Could be seen as replacable by Raticate
021		Pichu	Medium	Pre-evolution of series mascot, possibility of appearance in the Odd Egg should that Crystal element return	Said series mascot relegated to Kanto in the original, no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
022		Pikachu	Medium	Series mascot, could be worked into Johto wild	Relegated to Kanto in the original, Route 2 could require National Pokédex to access
023		Raichu	Medium	Evolution of series mascot	Said series mascot relegated to Kanto in the original
024		Caterpie	High	Highly wild in original Gold, appears in Bug-Catching Contest	Could be overrun by Ledyba or Spinarak, the National Park could hold a different contest
025		Metapod	High	Middle evolution of common bug	Middle evolution of common bug that could be relegated to Kanto only if the bug contest is eliminated
026		Butterfree	High	Final evolution of common bug	Producers could see Ledian as superior
027		Weedle	High	Highly wild in original Silver, appears in Bug-Catching Contest	Could be overrun by Ledyba or Spinarak, the National Park could hold a different contest
028		Kakuna	High	Middle evolution of common bug	Middle evolution of common bug that could be relegated to Kanto only if the bug contest is eliminated
029		Beedrill	High	Final evolution of common bug	Producers could see Ariados as superior
030		Ledyba	High	Johto's signature Bug/Flying	Exclusive to Silver in original, role easily replacable by Butterfree
031		Ledian	High	Johto's signature Bug/Flying	Exclusive to Silver in original, role easily replacable by Butterfree
032		Spinarak	High	Johto's signature Bug/Poison	Exclusive to Gold in original, role easily replacable by Beedrill
033		Ariados	High	Johto's signature Bug/Poison	Exclusive to Gold in original, role easily replacable by Beedrill
034		Geodude	Very High	Appeared in caves in all games to date	Larvitar could suddenly become common and drive Geodude into being Kanto-only
035		Graveler	Very High	Appeared in caves in all games to date	Pupitar could suddenly become common and drive Graveler into being Kanto-only
036		Golem	Very High	Final evolution of one to appear in all games to date	Requires a link-trade evolution, another Rock-type could fill role of final evolution of common cave Rock
037		Zubat	Very High	Appeared in caves in all games to date	Murkrow could suddenly become Johto's signature cave dweller
038		Golbat	Very High	Appeared in caves in all games to date	Murkrow could suddenly become Johto's signature cave dweller
039		Crobat	Very High	Friendship final evolution of common cave Pokémon	Dusk Stones could be common in Johto to support a possible Murkrow invasion
040		Cleffa	Low	Possibility of appearance in the Odd Egg should that Crystal element return	Pre-evolved form of Pokémon that appeared only at Mt. Moon in original, no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
041		Clefairy	Low	Evolves from possible Odd Egg Pokémon	Mt. Moon could require the National Pokédex to access
042		Clefable	Low	Final form of possible Odd Egg Pokémon	Final form of Pokémon whose signature area may require the National Pokédex to reach
043		Igglybuff	High	Possibility of appearance in the Odd Egg should that Crystal element return	Evolved form could be easily moved from Route 46, no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
044		Jigglypuff	High	Appears on Route 46 in original	Could be replaced on Route 46, relegating Jigglypuff to Kanto only
045		Wigglytuff	High	Pre-evolved form easily obtainable early on in original	Pre-evolved form could be easily relegated to Kanto only
046		Togepi	Very High	The Mystery Egg hatches into this	The Mystery Egg could be changed to hold something else to stave off rumors of Misty's return in the anime
047		Togetic	Very High	Pre-evolution nearly guaranteed to be in	The Mystery Egg could be changed to hold something else to stave off rumors of Misty's return in the anime
---		Togekiss	Very High	Final evolution of original's signature egg	Signature egg could be changed to quell rumors that Misty might get her own Togetic back and evolve it
048		Sandshrew	High	Little chance of a Johto counterpart showing up in its locations	Trapinch from Hoenn could be brought in as a surprise
049		Sandslash	High	Little chance of a Johto counterpart showing up in its locations	Vibrava from Hoenn could be brought in as a surprise
050		Ekans	High	Little chance of being surprisingly supplanted by Seviper	Zangoose could surprisingly show up
051		Arbok	High	Little chance of being surprisingly supplanted by Seviper	Zangoose could surprisingly show up

#052 - #101 Dunsparce - Yanma

#		Name	Odds	Reason for	Reason against
052		Dunsparce	Medium	Rare Swarmable in original	Remake could include Sevii Islands and make Kin Island's port Dunsparce's only location
053		Mareep	High	Very few Electric-type options within Johto	Could possibly be supplanted by Pichu and moved to Kanto's Power Plant
054		Flaaffy	High	Very few Electric-type options within Johto	Could possibly be supplanted by Pikachu and moved to Kanto's Power Plant
055		Ampharos	High	Seen by many as the best Electric-type option before Kanto in the originals	Pikachu could be made common in Johto in a remake and relegate Ampharos's pre-evolutions to the Power Plant
056		Wooper	High	Populates many waters in Johto, making it very difficult to relegate to being Kanto-only	Producers could relegate Wooper to National Pokédex-required areas to demonstrate Shellos's capabilities
057		Quagsire	High	Populates many waters in Johto, making it very difficult to relegate to being Kanto-only	Producers could relegate Quagsire to National Pokédex-required areas to demonstrate Gastrodon's capabilities
058		Gastly	High	Common sight in standing Johto towers at night in original	Misdreavus could be moved into Gastly's role in a remake
059		Haunter	High	Evolves from easy-to-find ghost	Misdreavus and Dusk Stones could be easy to find in a remake and supplant Haunter's role
060		Gengar	High	Final evolution of common ghost	Producers could make Mismagius the easy-to-obtain ghost of Johto
061		Unown	Very High	Signature area in original was in Johto	Ruins of Alph could be given no meaning (or a very different meaning) in a remake if the Tanoby Chambers are included
062		Onix	High	Easily appearable in some Johto caves in original, as well as availability in an in-game trade	Could be relegated to its signature location in a remake, and its signature location could require the National Pokédex; in-game trade could be changed in a remake
063		Steelix	High	Pre-evolution does appear in some Johto caves and through in-game trade	Pre-evolution could be relegated to Rock Tunnel in a remake
064		Bellsprout	High	Easy early-game Pokémon	Could be swarmed over by Oddish in a remake
065		Weepinbell	High	Easily obtainable early	Could be swarmed over by Gloom in a remake
066		Victreebel	High	Final evolution of easy-to-find early-game Pokémon	Role could be given to Vileplume and Bellossom in a remake
067		Hoppip	High	Appear in an area early in the game, albeit more common in the third to the originals	Could be made more common in Kanto and overrun out of Johto
068		Skiploom	High	Easy to raise, provided one knows methods to get it up to level 10	Could be made more common in Kanto and overrun out of Johto
069		Jumpluff	High	Final evolution of one found easily early in the game	Final evolution of one easily overrun out of Johto
070		Paras	High	Easily findable in Ilex Forest	Programmers could deem Ilex Forest unsuitable for Paras in a remake and relegate it to Mt. Moon
071		Parasect	High	Evolves from easy-to-find forest Pokémon	Evolves from Pokémon that could be relegated to one Kanto cave
072		Poliwag	High	One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters, findable with the Old Rod in original	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake, no guarantee the Old Rod would work the same way in a remake
073		Poliwhirl	High	One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
074		Poliwrath	High	One final evolution of common Pokémon findable in Johto waters	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
075		Politoed	High	One final evolution of common Pokémon findable in Johto waters	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
076		Magikarp	Very High	It's a pathetic fish findable in nearly every body of water to date	Feebas could boom population in Johto and force Magikarp to Kanto waters only
077		Gyarados	Very High	Pre-evolution is easy to find, alternate-color Gyarados is a story event in original	The story of the Lake of Rage could be changed to involve Milotic instead
078		Goldeen	Very High	One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters, findable with the Old Rod in original	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake, no guarantee the Old Rod would work the same way in a remake
079		Seaking	Very High	One of the common Pokémon inhabiting Johto waters	Johto waters could be retooled in a remake
080		Slowpoke	Very High	It's got a location in Johto named after it, for crying out loud!	Then again, a new legend could describe all the wild Slowpoke fleeing long ago in a remake, leaving Team Rocket to import Slowpoke for their scam...
081		Slowbro	Very High	Has a spot in the location named for its pre-evolution	They could write a new legend writing Slowbro out of the well
082		Slowking	Very High	Alternate final evolution of a Pokémon with a location namesake	They could write a new legend writing Slowpoke out of the well
083		Oddish	Very High	Common sight in dark forests	Could possibly seen as replacable by Bellsprout
084		Gloom	Very High	Common sight in some dark areas	Could possibly seen as replacable by Weepinbell
085		Vileplume	Very High	One final evolution of a common sight	Could possibly seen as replacable by Victreebel
086		Bellossom	Very High	One final evolution of a common sight	Could possibly seen as replacable by Victreebel
087		Drowzee	High	Appears easily near Goldenrod in original	Natu could be seen as one that could take its place
088		Hypno	High	Evolves from one findable near Goldenrod	Xatu could be seen as one that could take its place
089		Abra	Very High	Frustrating behavior has appeared in every Pokédex thus far	Ralts might possibly show up and run Abra out of Johto
090		Kadabra	Very High	Evolves from a common-to-find Pokémon	Could be replacable by easier-to-catch Kirlia
091		Alakazam	Very High	Final evolution of common-to-find Pokémon	Link-trade evolutions could be easily relegated to Kanto only, programmers could have Gardevoir take its place
092		Ditto	High	Easily findable near Goldenrod in original	Could be moved to a different location in a remake, one that might require the National Pokédex
093		Pineco	High	Rare sight by headbutting Johto trees in original	Headbutting mechanic might not return for remake, and they might not be as easily found
094		Forretress	High	Evolution of headbutt-into-tree Pokémon	Evolution of Pokémon found primarily in mechanic that might not return
095		Nidoran♀	High	Family set up shop north of Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
096		Nidorina	High	Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
097		Nidoqueen	High	Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
098		Nidoran♂	High	Family set up shop north of Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
099		Nidorino	High	Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
100		Nidoking	High	Easily evolvable from a Pokémon near Goldenrod in original	Producers could have a twisted idea that relegates one or both Nidoran clans to Kanto only in a remake
101		Yanma	High	Rare swarmable in original	Signature location could be changed to National Pokédex-required location
---		Yanmega	High	Evolves easily from Pokémon found in a swarm	Swarm might not return, pre-evolution could be relegated to Ruin Valley, no guarantee AncientPower would appear in Yanma's level-up movepool in a remake

#102 - #151 Sunkern - Magmar

#		Name	Odds	Reason for	Reason against
102		Sunkern	High	Easily catchable at the right time in the National Park in the original	Also has a location in Kanto which the programmers could relegate all Sunkern to
103		Sunflora	High	Both Sunkern and Sun Stone are easily accessible in the National Park	The remakes could just as easily pass off Bellossom as the Sun Stone's signature result
104		Exeggcute	High	Easily obtained by Headbutting in the original	They could always reopen the Safari Zone in a remake, especially since Leaf Stones were Kanto-only outside Mystery Gift in the original
105		Exeggutor	High	Evolves from one easy to get via Headbutt	The originals put its evolution item in Kanto only without the need of Mystery Gift. They could decide to make it more common closer to the Leaf Stones...
---		Bonsly	Very High	Its evolution is a plot point in the original, meaning the Rock Incense could easily be placed in Johto	No point including the Rock Incense in Johto in a remake if they switch the Sudowoodo on Route 36 for something else...
106		Sudowoodo	Very High	It blocks Route 36, for crying out loud!	They could just as easily block Route 36 with a Snorlax instead...
---		Wynaut	High	Lax Incense could easily be placed in the Dark Cave, what with Wobbuffet being there in the originals...	Wobbuffet's got Shadow Tag, a factor in which the producers might relocate Wobbuffet to avoid its influence...
107		Wobbuffet	High	The most sought-after sight on the Blackthorn side of Dark Cave in the original	The producers might not want Shadow Tag to be an influence prior to the Elite Four, and since the Elite Four was in west Kanto in the originals...
108		Venonat	High	Easily found at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original	If the Bug-Catching Contest doesn't return in a remake, it's pretty easy to relegate to Kanto-only status...
109		Venomoth	High	Not that difficult to evolve a Venonat caught at the Bug-Catching Contest	Of course, they might make it so you can't get Venonat in Johto in a remake
110		Scyther	High	One of two signature sights at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original	They could always relegate Scyther to somewhere in Kanto and have the signature sights be bugs from a different generation...
111		Scizor	High	Sure, the Metal Coat was obtained aboard a boat in the originals, but if Scyther remains a signature bug contest fixture...	Then again, the producers could decide to have the Metal Coat come before Scyther...
112		Pinsir	High	One of two signature sights at the Bug-Catching Contest in the original	They could always relegate Pinsir to somewhere in Kanto and have the signature sights be bugs from a different generation...
113		Heracross	High	One of the Headbutt results in the original	Headbutting might not make a return in a remake, easily making Heracross relegatable to Pattern Bush
114		Koffing	High	Found easily in Burned Tower in original	They might add elements to the destroyed Cinnabar Island in a remake and move Koffing there...
115		Weezing	High	Evolves from easy Burned Tower find	Of course, if Koffing gets moved to somewhere else, Weezing's bound to follow...
116		Grimer	Low	Only catchable in Kanto in originals	They could always have Grimer in the Burned Tower instead of Koffing...
117		Muk	Low	Easily found within Kanto in originals...but only within Kanto	Its pre-evolution could be given a Johto location in a remake
118		Magnemite	Medium	Easily findable on the path to Moomoo Farm in the original	There's no Mt. Coronet in Johto (or Kanto, for that matter) and any suitable substitute to get its final evolution could require the National Pokédex to access
119		Magneton	Medium	One could obtain one easy by the time the Elite Four rolls around in original	However, evolving it may pose problems that could cause its line to be omitted from Johto proper...
---		Magnezone	Medium	Pre-evolutions are easily obtainable in originals	However, obtaining this form might scare the producers out of including it in Johto proper in a remake...
120		Voltorb	High	Obtained in an in-game trade in the originals and through Rocket Hideout traps, could easily take Magnemite's place on the Moomoo Farm path due to evolution mechanic difficulties	No guarantee the same trades will hold, and the traps could be rigged to switch Voltorb with another exploder in a remake
121		Electrode	High	Not that difficult if one dares take the trade or venture into the traps	Of course, if neither the trade nor traps hold, we could be seeing this as Kanto-only...
122		Aipom	High	Easily found by Headbutt in original, Double Hit ain't that hard to obtain	The Headbutt mechanic might not make a return...
---		Ambipom	High	Headbutt, catch, teach Double Hit, it's magic!	If they take away Headbutt, they might locate Aipom somewhere that needs the National Pokédex...
123		Snubbull	High	Rare in originals, but it did appear within Johto...	Could be relegated to somewhere else if they don't have the old swarm methods return...
124		Granbull	High	Obtainable within Johto in originals, should one be lucky enough to catch its pre-evolution	Its original locations might not hold in a remake...
125		Vulpix	High	Originals had it Silver-exclusive and findable within Johto in Silver	They could always ditch the version-exclusivity, but also shift it to a location which would require the National Pokédex...
126		Ninetales	High	A prized version exclusive from the originals	They might shift its pre-evolution to be closer to the Fire Stones...which are only in Kanto in the originals...
127		Growlithe	High	Originals had it Gold-exclusive and findable within Johto in Silver	They could always ditch the version-exclusivity, but also shift it to a location which would require the National Pokédex...
128		Arcanine	High	A prized version exclusive from the originals	They might shift its pre-evolution to be closer to the Fire Stones...which are only in Kanto in the originals...
129		Stantler	High	Worked its magic close to Ecruteak City in original	Another Normal-type could take its place in a remake, relegating Stantler to somewhere a simple Johto Pokédex isn't enough to reach
---		Azurill	High	Sea Incense's best location in a remake is Mt. Mortar if its evolution remains there	No guarantee its evolution'll remain in Mt. Mortar or in Johto
130		Marill	High	Rare sight in originals, but it was in Johto's Mt. Mortar	Could make it a bit more common, but exclusively in National Pokédex-required areas...
131		Azumarill	High	Not easy to get in originals, but obtainable prior to Elite Four in originals	The Elite Four might have to be defeated in order to access the Marill...
132		Diglett	Low	Diamond and Pearl broke the Diglett's Cave stereotype, meaning they could be findable in places such as Union Cave in a remake	It's got a signature location that might require the National Pokédex to access
133		Dugtrio	Low	Depths of Union Cave or upper reaches of Mt. Mortar might make a good fit	Of course, it could always stay in Diglett's Cave and might need the National Pokédex to reach...
134		Mankey	Medium	Gold-exclusive in the originals and findable within Johto there	Problem is, its Silver-version counterpart has Pickup, which might make it a bit more attractive to the producers to include in the remakes...
135		Primeape	Medium	Gold-exclusive in the originals and easily evolvable from one findable within Johto	Pre-evolved form's Silver counterpart has Pickup, which could make this line Kanto-only in remakes, even if it's findable in both games of it
136		Meowth	High	Silver-exclusive in the originals and findable in Johto there, Pickup could make it common in both games of a remake	The producers might have Teddiursa on Route 46 in remakes and have it be the attractive Pickupper
137		Persian	High	Silver-exclusive in the originals, and easily evolvable from potential signature Pickupper	Of course, if Teddiursa becomes the signature Pickupper, that might give the producers more incentive to include Mankey/Primeape within Johto in both games of a remake...
138		Psyduck	High	Cluelessly swam ponds in the Ilex Forest in original	They might give Psyduck the intelligence to recognize the Ilex Forest as having Grass-types that could easily harm it and relegate Psyduck to Kanto-only...
139		Golduck	High	One could easily nab a Psyduck in Ilex Forest and evolve it	Then again, they could put Psyduck in Kanto only in a remake...
140		Machop	High	An in-game trade got you one in the originals, and also findable at Mt. Mortar there too...	Then again, they could have Machop in Rock Tunnel only and require the National Pokédex to reach it, and the in-game trade could easily be Drowzee for Mime Jr....
141		Machoke	High	You could be raising one by the time you reach the Elite Four if Machop's in the right locations	...Which it might not be in a remake...
142		Machamp	High	Sure, it requires trading, but you can get Machoke within Johto in the originals, and obviously any trade restrictions are on the other guy's end by that point in time...	...unless they change the locations and impose National Pokédex-based trade restrictions...
143		Tyrogue	High	The Karate King gives you one in the originals	Then again, the Karate King could just as easily train the Sevii Islands instead...
144		Hitmonlee	High	Beat the Karate King, have Attack overtake Defense, and you've got a Hitmonlee to take on Bruno's!	Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
145		Hitmonchan	High	Beat the Karate King, have Defense overtake Attack, and you've got a Hitmonchan to take on Bruno's!	Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
146		Hitmontop	High	Beat the Karate King, have Attack and Defense balance, and you've got a Hitmontop to take on Bruno's! (Of course, Bruno's could have Intimidate, but it doesn't affect the chances...)	Then again, if the Karate King doesn't show up anywhere that doesn't require the National Pokédex, and Bruno's team could change in a remake...
147		Girafarig	High	It's en route to Lake of Rage in the original, and since that path had to be taken in the original...	Then again, they could shift its location in a remake...
148		Tauros	Very High	Both it and its female counterpart appear close to Moomoo Farm in the original	Then again, they could relegate them to a reopened Safari Zone and create a new backstory for the farm...
149		Miltank	Very High	Both it and its male counterpart appear close to Moomoo Farm in the original	Then again, they could relegate them to a reopened Safari Zone and make it so that Moomoo Farm imports their Miltank in a remake...
150		Magby	Medium	They could always follow the original's lead and have its evolved form findable in Burned Tower	They could always follow Crystal's lead and have its evolved form findable only in Silver Cave
151		Magmar	Medium	They could always follow the original's lead and have it findable in Burned Tower	They could always follow Crystal's lead and have it findable only in Silver Cave
---		Magmortar	Medium	They could put a free Magmarizer in the Burned Tower if Magmar appears there	Then again, the free Magmarizer is just as easily put in Silver Cave if Magmar appears there instead...

#152 - #200 Smoochum - Dodrio

#		Name	Odds	Reason for	Reason against
152		Smoochum	Medium	Evolved form is easily findable in Ice Path in originals	Evolution could be made National Pokédex-required in a remake by shifting its location...
153		Jynx	Medium	It and its black face are easily findable in the Ice Path in the originals	Then again, they could always shuffle it and its black face into Icefall Cave in a remake...
154		Elekid	Medium	They could easily work it and/or its evolution into the Johto wild, what with Jynx and Magmar already there in the originals...	Then again, they could just as easily relegate its counterparts into National Pokédex-required areas in a remake...
155		Electabuzz	Medium	They could easily work it and/or its pre-evolution into the Johto wild, what with Jynx and Magmar already there in the originals...	Then again, they could just as easily relegate its counterparts into National Pokédex-required areas in a remake...
---		Electivire	Medium	They'll probably put a free Electrizer wherever its pre-evolution may roam	Its pre-evolution roams Route 10 in the originals, and that may hold in a remake
---		Mime Jr.	Medium	If Sudowoodo stays put in a remake, odds are Mr. Mime'll have to show up in Johto somewhere...	If Sudowoodo doesn't stay put in a remake, there's no reason it or Mr. Mime'll show up outside Kanto
156		Mr. Mime	Medium	The fact that it's Sudowoodo's counterpart increases the odds of it or pre-evolution being given Johto locations in remake	The fact that it's Sudowoodo's counterpart could give the producers ideas of relegating Sudowoodo to be Kanto-only and not make Mr. Mime any more accessible earlier
157		Smeargle	High	The Ruins of Alph is where it roams in the originals	The producers could easily find it another place for it to paint, making Natu the only one findable in the Ruins of Alph grasses...
158		Farfetch'd	High	Easily findable on the path to Moomoo Farm in the originals	They could put it in a National Pokédex-required area in a remake
159		Natu	High	Once you make it to the Ruins of Alph grasses, it's common	The Ruins of Alph grasses could just as easily yield only Smeargle in a remake
160		Xatu	High	Find one in the Ruins of Alph grasses, it can be obtained within Johto	Then again, if Natu gets shifted away from the Ruins of Alph in a remake, there's no longer any gurantees...
161		Qwilfish	High	Only appears in one pond in original, and that one pond is on Route 32	They could just as easily make its only home Water Labyrinth in a remake
162		Tentacool	Very High	It's been in many water areas in every game to date	They could relegate Tentacool to one National Pokédex-required pond in a remake in order to break the stereotype
163		Tentacruel	Very High	It's been in many water areas in every game to date	They could relegate Tentacruel to one National Pokédex-required pond in a remake in order to break the stereotype
164		Krabby	High	Easily findable in Olivine City and similar areas in originals	The producers could just as easily reincorporate Corphish into its place within Johto
165		Kingler	High	Pre-evolution is easy to fish up or smash out in originals	The producers could just as easily reincorporate Crawdaunt into its place within Johto
166		Shuckle	High	Rock Smash got them out in the originals, and since the only smashable rock in Kanto didn't have any Pokémon in it...	I've yet to get a single Pokémon by smashing rocks in Diamond/Pearl, and I've smashed a lot. They might have to have another method to get Shuckle, and it might require the National Pokédex...
167		Staryu	High	Needed better rods to get in original, but they were findable in Johto	They could just as easily separate Staryu from Krabby and Corsola in the fishing setups
168		Starmie	High	Pre-evolution eeded better rods to get in original, but they were findable in Johto	They could just as easily have Staryu be common closest to the Water Stones--Kanto only in the originals
169		Shellder	High	Easily findable in Olivine Harbor, and for all we know, Johto's Move Relearner might be a woman with a pearl fetish	They could be made Kanto-only in a remake, and there's no guarantee its Pearls will have a use beyond selling...
170		Cloyster	High	If Shellder's there, odds are someone'll know how to get Cloyster within Johto, even if you can't	They might move Shellder to be closer to the Water Stones, which were only in Kanto in the originals
171		Corsola	High	Daytime counterpart of Staryu in the originals	Might remain such...even if it means following Staryu into relegation to National Pokédex-required areas
172		Remoraid	High	Appeared in a swarm in originals	Not only could the swarm not be kept, but its location might not be either
173		Octillery	High	Evolves from Pokémon findable in swarm	They could always move its pre-evolution to National Pokédex-required area...
174		Chinchou	High	Good Rod, waters in player's hometown have these	Then again, they could reduce its appearance and trim away locations down to areas that require the National Pokédex
175		Lanturn	High	Evolves from easy Good Rod catch from domestic waters	Pre-evolution could be relegated to waters outside the player's home country...
176		Seel	High	All over the Whirl Islands in the original	Something else could be all over the Whirl Islands in a remake
177		Dewgong	High	One could potentially have one come Elite Four time if one works hard enough	Then again, if a remake runs Seel out of the Whirl Islands...
178		Lickitung	High	Easily findable in the center island of Route 44	Just one location in the originals, could be easy to shift out of the country
---		Lickilicky	High	Rollout ain't too difficult to attain	Of course, if Lickitung doesn't appear on the Route 44 center island...
179		Tangela	High	Easily findable in the center island of Route 44	Just one domestic location in the originals, could be easy to shift out of the country
---		Tangrowth	High	AncientPower ain't too difficult to attain	Of course, if Tangela doesn't appear on the Route 44 center island...
180		Eevee	Medium	Come on, an Eeveelution maniac gives you one in the originals at a rather early point!	Then again, there's no Moss Rock or Ice Rock in Johto (or Kanto for that matter), meaning Bill might not consider handing over Eevee until you get the National Pokédex...
181		Vaporeon	Medium	Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without workarounds), it's easily seeable through Kuni of the Kimono Girls...	Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain HM03 (Surf), not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
182		Jolteon	Medium	Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without workarounds), it's easily seeable through Miki of the Kimono Girls...	Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain HM03 (Surf), not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
183		Flareon	Medium	Even if you couldn't get one until Kanto in the originals (without workarounds), it's easily seeable through Naoko of the Kimono Girls...	Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain HM03 (Surf), not to mention that the "sight" method from Diamond/Pearl might not carry over to HG/SS...
184		Espeon	Medium	Even though you can only get one Eeveelution before the Elite Four without breeding, it's easily seeable through Sayo of the Kimono Girls...	Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain HM03 (Surf)...
185		Umbreon	Medium	Even though you can only get one Eeveelution before the Elite Four without breeding,it's easily seeable through Zuki of the Kimono Girls...	Then again, two Eeveelutions have evolution mechanics that might be tough to work into, forcing Eevee to require the National Pokédex, the Kimono Girls to be absent until later, and another method be found to obtain HM03 (Surf)...
---		Leafeon	Medium	...They could always make the Kimono Girls a family of seven in a remake...	Any equivalent to Moss Rock would probably require the National Pokédex to reach
---		Glaceon	Medium	...They could always make the Kimono Girls a family of seven in a remake...	Any equivalent to Ice Rock would probably require the National Pokédex to reach
186		Horsea	High	One can be found easily in the Whirl Islands	Then again, it could be shifted to its old Kanto waters in a remake...
187		Seadra	High	Easily evolves from specimens in the Whirl Islands	Of course, if Horsea gets shifted...
188		Kingdra	High	Dragon Scale in the original appears in the rear of Mt. Mortar, making Kingdra pre-Elite Four easy	Then again, Dragon Scale could be relocated if Horsea gets relocated out of the Whirl Islands...
189		Gligar	High	One can search for this Gold-exclusive on Route 45 in the originals	Technically, anything with a wild-appearance location could possibly be relocated...
---		Gliscor	High	Who wants to wager we'll see a Razor Fang near the Dratini pool on Route 45 in a remake?	Granted, if the Gligar don't stick around, the Razor Fang is best left elsewhere...
190		Delibird	High	Anyone with Silver could tend to find them easily on the Ice Path	Of course, there's a good cave in the Sevii Islands they could be relocated to...
191		Swinub	High	One of the most common entries in the Ice Path	However, they might keep Swinub penned into Icefall Cave, which would probably require the National Pokédex...
192		Piloswine	High	We'll probably be seeing this on Pryce's team again...	Then again, all gym teams are technically subject to changes in a remake...
---		Mamoswine	High	Move Relearner. No matter what the cost, one can attain AncientPower.	Of course, if Swinub gets penned into Icefall Cave, there's no real point to sweeping the Elite Four with one...
193		Teddiursa	High	Pickup could spur the developers to include this Gold-exclusive from the originals on Route 46 in both halves of a remake, and it appeared in Johto in the originals nonetheless	Then again, Meowth or Phanpy might be seen as a more attractive option for the signature Pickupper...
194		Ursaring	High	Could be easily attractive options to both halves of a remake despite being Gold-exclusive in the original	They might relegate it to areas that require the National Pokédex if Meowth or Phanpy is chosen as the signature Pickupper...
195		Phanpy	High	Pickup could spur the developers to include this Silver-exclusive from the originals on Route 46 in both halves of a remake, and it appeared in Johto in the originals nonetheless	Then again, Meowth or Teddiursa might be seen as a more attractive option for the signature Pickupper...
196		Donphan	High	Could be easily attractive options to both halves of a remake despite being Silver-exclusive in the original	They might relegate it to areas that require the National Pokédex if Meowth or Teddiursa is chosen as the signature Pickupper...
---		Mantyke	High	Evolution appeared in rare waters in original Gold, Wave Incense could be attractive within the Whirl Islands	If Mantine gets moved away from domestic waters, the Wave Incense probably will as well...
197		Mantine	High	Only one body of water in the original, and Gold-exclusive on top of that, but said body of water is domestic...	Wanna bet it'll appear at Quest Island's Trainer Tower area in a remake, shifted there or not?
198		Skarmory	High	One can search for this Silver-exclusive on Route 45 in the originals	Technically, anything with a wild-appearance location could possibly be relocated...
199		Doduo	High	Yes, it only appeared in Kanto in the original; however, anything on the road to the Elite Four probably won't require the National Pokédex to access	They could just as easily reopen the Safari Zone or relegate Doduo to Route 22 in a remake...
200		Dodrio	High	On road to Elite Four, probably won't require National Pokédex despite being Kanto-only in original	Then again, they could narrow its locations to inner Kanto...

#201 - #251 Ponyta - Celebi

#		Name	Odds	Reason for	Reason against
201		Ponyta	High	Appeared only in Kanto in original, but its range includes the road to the Elite Four, which probably won't require the National Pokédex	Could be easily shifted away from Routes 26 and 27 in a remake
202		Rapidash	High	Pre-evolution findable on route to Elite Four in original	No guarantee it's still going to be on the road to the Elite Four in a remake
203		Cubone	Low	It was available at the Goldenrod Game Corner in Crystal, they could use the Crystal list to expand the inventory (especially since the FireRed and LeafGreen vendors offered five at a time)	Rock Tunnel only in original, no guarantee of a change in Game Corner listings
204		Marowak	Low	Evolution of possible Game Corner Pokémon	Line could remain relegated to the Rock Tunnel in a remake
205		Kangaskhan	Low	...They could expand its reach into Johto in a remake, Route 44 might make a good location	Only appeared in Rock Tunnel in original, no guarantee it's not staying put
206		Rhyhorn	High	Sure, it only appeared in Kanto in original, but it appeared en route to the Elite Four, which I highly doubt would require the National Pokédex to reach in a remake	...They could always reopen the Safari Zone and move it there...
207		Rhydon	High	Pre-evolution probably one of the last new species one sees en route to Elite Four	No guarantee the Safari Zone will remain closed and Rhyhorn moving back there
---		Rhyperior	High	Protector's most likely position in remake is Victory Road if Rhyhorn remains there	Protector's most likely position in remake is the Safari Zone if Rhyhorn gets shifted to a reopened facility
208		Murkrow	Low	...There is that Murkrow in the Rocket Hideout in Mahogany, and it could be brought in from closer by in a remake...	No guarantee Murkrow will be flocking to Johto
---		Honchkrow	Low	They could make Dusk Stones more common	No sense making Dusk Stones more common if both Murkrow and Misdreavus remain relegated to where they were in originals
209		Houndour	Low	They could make Vulpix and/or Growlithe daytime-only and let Houndour roam Johto at night	Vulpix and/or Growlithe could continue roaming 24/7 and keep Houndour relegated to Kanto
210		Houndoom	Low	Pre-evolution could become a more common sight at night in Johto	No guarantee Vulpix or Growlithe are going anywhere at night
211		Slugma	Low	Johto didn't have many Fire-types around in the original, and two such lines were version exclusives on top of that; producers could shift Slugma's location to ease a potential Fire squeeze	Only appeared on Cycling Road in original, no guarantee Vulpix and Growlithe will be version-exclusive in remakes (Meowth sure as hell wasn't in FireRed and LeafGreen)
212		Magcargo	Low	It or its pre-evolution could be placed in an accessible area of Johto in a remake	Pre-evolution only appeared on Cycling Road in original, there are other ways to alleviate potential Fire squeeze
213		Sneasel	Medium	It was shifted to the Ice Path in Crystal, a lead remakes might follow...	Only appeared in the Silver Cave area and Route 28 in original, areas a remake might require the National Pokédex to access
---		Weavile	Medium	If remakes follow Crystal's lead on its pre-evolution, a well-placed Razor Claw might do the trick...	If remakes follow the original's lead on its pre-evolution, said Razor Claw might be in the Silver Cave along with said pre-evolution
214		Misdreavus	Low	Could become more common in Johto's caves	Only cave it appeared in in original was the Silver Cave, and that requires going through Kanto to reach, meaning you might need the National Pokédex...
---		Mismagius	Low	Dusk Stones could become common, making one fairly easy to obtain if Misdreavus appears earlier	Pre-evolution requires going through Kanto to reach
215		Porygon	Very Low	Bill could find one of these instead of an Eevee in the storyline	Winnable only at the Celadon Game Corner in originals, and that Game Corner might require the National Pokédex; odds are Bill ain't straying from Eevee anytime soon
216		Porygon2	Very Low	...What if the Goldenrod Game Corner were to stock Up-Grades?	Not only is its pre-evolution only obtainable through coins in Kanto only, but its evolution item is also obtained in Kanto in the originals
---		Porygon-Z	Very Low	...What if the Goldenrod Game Corner were to stock Dubious Discs?	Fully unevolved form only obtainable through coins in Kanto only, no guarantee the Dubious Disc will even appear in Johto
---		Happiny	Very Low	They could bring back the Odd Egg from Crystal and expand it to include Pokémon such as Happiny...	No guarantee of the Odd Egg's return, evolved form appeared only in Kanto in original and was rare even then
217		Chansey	Very Low	Evolution of possible Odd Egg Pokémon from appended list	Only appeared in Kanto in original, and even then was rare; no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
218		Blissey	Very Low	Final evolution of possible Odd Egg Pokémon from appended list	Pre-evolved form only appeared in Kanto in original, and even then was rare; no guarantee of the Odd Egg's return
219		Lapras	High	Part of a timed event in a Johto cave	They could make it so the timed event requires the National Pokédex to trigger
220		Omanyte	Very Low	Its fossil could be easily findable in the Underground	There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
221		Omastar	Very Low	...If the Underground appears and fossils can be resurrected in Johto, then it would be easy to obtain...	No guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
222		Kabuto	Very Low	Its fossil could be easily findable in the Underground	There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
223		Kabutops	Very Low	...If the Underground appears and fossils can be resurrected in Johto, then it would be easy to obtain...	No guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake
224		Aerodactyl	Very Low	Its fossil could be easily findable in the Underground; possibility that Kanto may not require the National Pokédex opens possibility for in-game trade	There wasn't a way to resurrect fossils in the original, no guarantee the Underground will even appear in a remake; odds are Kanto will require the National Pokédex, and even then there's no guarantee the in-game trade would return in a remake
---		Munchlax	Very Low	Breeding result of a Pokémon that could be a replacement Route 36 roadblock	Odds are Sudowoodo's keeping its title
225		Snorlax	Very Low	...They could put it to block Route 36 in Sudowoodo's stead	Odds are Sudowoodo's keeping its title, relegating Snorlax to block only one way in Kanto
226		Bulbasaur	Very Low	Prof. Oak might get a "bright idea" similar to Prof. Birch's in Emerald	Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
227		Ivysaur	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
228		Venusaur	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
229		Charmander	Very Low	Prof. Oak might get a "bright idea" similar to Prof. Birch's in Emerald	Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
230		Charmeleon	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
231		Charizard	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
232		Squirtle	Very Low	Prof. Oak might get a "bright idea" similar to Prof. Birch's in Emerald	Signature starter of a country player will not start out in in a remake
233		Wartortle	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Second stage of signature starter of non-native country
234		Blastoise	Very Low	Stranger things have happened...	Final stage of signature starter of non-native country
235		Articuno	Very Low	Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...	Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the third to Sinnoh's games on top of that
236		Zapdos	Very Low	Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...	Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the third to Sinnoh's games on top of that
237		Moltres	Very Low	Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element...	Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals, and it appeared in the third to Sinnoh's games on top of that
238		Raikou	Guaranteed	Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games	-
239		Entei	Guaranteed	Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games	-
240		Suicune	Guaranteed	Legendary native to player's country, rested in Tin Tower prior to awakening in originals, part of the only legendary trio that did NOT appear in the third to Sinnoh's games	-
241		Dratini	High	Appears in holy dragon territory in originals, which is situated in Johto	No guarantee Clair will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dratini
242		Dragonair	High	Appears in holy dragon territory in originals, which is situated in Johto	No guarantee Clair will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dragonair
243		Dragonite	High	Final evolution of one findable in holy dragon territory	No guarantee Clair will send player off on extra task in remake, possible that entry to Dragon's Den could require National Pokédex, no guarantee that pond to the south of Blackthorn will still hold Dragonair
244		Larvitar	Low	Could break its "very rare" stereotype and be common in Johto in a remake	Only appeared in Silver Cave in originals, an area which requires going through Kanto to access, and thus could require the National Pokédex to reach
245		Pupitar	Low	Could break its "very rare" stereotype and be common in Johto in a remake	Evolves from one that only appeared in Silver Cave in originals, an area which requires going through Kanto to access, and thus could require the National Pokédex to reach
246		Tyranitar	Low	Final evolution of one that could break its stereotype	Final evolution of one that could keep its stereotype going
247		Lugia	Guaranteed	It's pretty much going to be the version mascot for the Silver side of the remakes, for crying out loud!	-
248		Ho-Oh	Guaranteed	It's pretty much going to be the version mascot for the Gold side of the remakes, for crying out loud!	-
249		Mewtwo	Very Low	Could be worked into a remake in a new plot element, especially since it didn't appear in the third to Sinnoh's games	Legendary not native to player's country, didn't even appear in originals (although some of its genes did)
250		Mew	Low	An event Pokémon that could be easily obtained through events not requiring the National Pokédex to obtain	Some event Pokémon native to Sinnoh didn't appear in that country's Pokédex, leaving no guarantee that Mew would appear in a remake's Johto Pokédex
251		Celebi	Medium	An event Pokémon that could be easily obtained through events not requiring the National Pokédex to obtain, especially since the GS Ball could be worked in	Some event Pokémon native to Sinnoh didn't appear in that country's Pokédex, leaving no guarantee Celebi will appear in a remake's Johto Pokédex either