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Happy new year!
-5451	-3	-20	-19
days	hours	minutes	seconds

I'm gonna be stuck in Florida for about a week starting today, so I likely will have much less of a chance to do anything around here until next year begins.

Poli, Deth, Kogs, and evkl, you're all in charge of getting a flooded talk page questions from Bulbapedia's users for a week or so.

Anyway, I'll just leave a countdown here to my estimated return... which is on January 1, at midnight.

Have a good new year, guys, and enjoy that extra leap second we're getting! TTEchidna 09:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

*flaunts his magical ability to spam protected pages*

You may have to perform a hard-refresh to see it, but there's a sexy new UTC-time clock on the top bar. Bask in its glory. Click on its wonderful cache-purging functionality. And point to it as you ban poor userspace-abusing souls. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 20:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you shrink it to the same size as the other links up there, and put it over on the left side instead? It's nice though. TTEchidna 22:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Kogoro fixed the size. Don't know an quick and easy way to put it on the left, though. Wouldn't it run into problems with the site logo if it was on that side anyway? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 05:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I mean, you know, not TO the logo, but at the top of the page at the leftmost part of the actual page content, rather than the sidebar. TTEchidna 05:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, in the portlet? It's possible to do that... wouldn't be as easy to see it IMO, if it was mixed in with the navigation and whatnot, but it might be doable.

EDIT: nvm, I see what you mean. Not sure about that, you could probably indent it, but that might not work with all screen resolutions. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 05:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, ah well. Now if we can get a count of how many User: namespace edits someone's made during the current day... TTEchidna 05:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

shame we can't do that. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 05:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh there's a way... Top contributors is determined from a count, so if we could tweak that... TTEchidna 05:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

(ri): It's also possible to do the link I just posted in interwiki form (i.e., not an outside link). If I can figure that out, then you can just set it to look for BASEPAGENAME, and insert it into one of the sidebars, perhaps. Assuming it can be set to only show up on userpages. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 05:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. TTEchidna 05:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Really?

The number of daily User: name space edits allowed has increased to 4? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 00:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Really. TTEchidna 00:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

That should be announced so people don't mess up (As much, I'm sure people will still be warned for 3 edits for a while). 00:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's been announced, just by being put here, you know. This is probably the most visited page onsite... TTEchidna 00:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yet I'm only here because it was in the Recent Changes. I don't visit here unless I see it in the recent changes or have a question, when I am just as likely to ask a different admin. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 00:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I feel so hated now... TTEchidna 00:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, I'm sure you'll get over it. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 00:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, I bet, if I edited my page four times, I'd get warned, despite the new limit. That could be a good test. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 00:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

People, including me (hopefully not!), will keep on warning people for some time with 3 edits, but I think the 4 edits rule is a nice bonus. And BTW, your new year counter tells me that the new year is after -18 hours - you might want to take it off. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 00:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Or just change it to reflect. TTEchidna 00:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

BTW, why are we only allowed 3 or 4 a day? --HoennMaster 08:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Because in previous years people have edited their own pages more than the mainspace. It was locked for several months last year, and the limit is a compromise. — THE TROM — 08:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk Pages

I noticed on many talk pages that you asked something that seems to be very interesting, yet not answered...has any of your questions been answered before? ^ht14 03:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

How specific.--RexRacer -talk 03:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I always do that. Every time. TTEchidna 03:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Well...have ANY of your questions been answered then? ^ht14 04:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes. TTEchidna 05:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

That's good. ^ht14 05:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Template

OK! we still got a lot of template to delete, We got Template:p, Template:m, Template:a, Template:an and the list goes on, c'mon TTE get goin'.--Force ^Fire talk 07:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

As I said. Those are used for many things. Legendary trios and the literal ghost, how many pages need that to be a link template? And SSBB. For the love of crap, how many pages link THERE? Link templates are not "let's make a shortened name for a template so I don't have to type". They're for multiple things with few exceptions. {{p}} is used for 493 different linkables on nearly EVERY page on this wiki. It's an essential. TTEchidna 07:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The Candidates for protection list is getting a little long.. as well as some lazy templates popping up there. There's a difference between {{Pokémon XD}} (Since a lot of pages linked to the redirect page) and template:soa tale which is just lazy.. Gywall Talk 13:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The XD template is helpful slightly more because it isn't just the link. TTEchidna 19:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Question....#2?

What's the difference between {{User:TTEchidna}} and {{:User:TTEchidna}}? I used them both by accident, and both came out to be the same... ^ht14 16:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

...why are you calling my page as a template... Anyway, the colon before it is only a point if you're calling a main namespace page as a template versus calling a template. For example, {{:Main Page}} vs {{Main Page}}. Which, though it looks the same, is different (the {{Main Page}} template actually causes the appearance of the actual Main Page through transclusion).

So yeah. In essence, though, I always call non-template namespaces with the colon in front, just so I know. TTEchidna 19:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm still lost...I was linking your user name, and I used {{ instead of [[... ^ht14 19:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

And thus called my page as a template. TTEchidna 19:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm...still lost... ^ht14 20:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Using curly brackets instead of square ones calls a page as a template, as long as it's not in the main namespace (that requires a colon). TTEchidna 20:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

{{ }} uses a page (by default in the Template namespace, unless otherwise specified) as a template, [[ ]] links to a page. {{User:TTEchidna}} would, when used on a page, include the whole content of the page User:TTEchidna as it was a template. Still lost? UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 20:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Well...somewhat now...final question... See here: [1]... Care to explain what's going on there? ^ht14 20:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I assume at one point BulbaBot was tasked with creating accounts when a user registered, but then stopped at a later date. I dunno why, maybe it was the software? TTEchidna 21:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Weird... then how about this: [2] It's the same, but with some mixes... some created their own accounts while Bulba made some for others... ^ht14 21:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that too. Zhen or one of the tech guys would know better than me... TTEchidna 21:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean like MewBot? But "it" rarely goes on. As for Zhen, he doesn't usually go on anymore as well...who do you want me to refer to specifically? ^ht14 21:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe that was BulbaBot copying over accounts from the forums, although it was ages ago...I'm not 100% sure. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 23:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a small thing to inform

I just thought that I'll inform you that I share the same IP (the 91.*.*.* one) with the user Toaums. This is just because of I don't want to get falsely banned for having two accounts; Toaums is my little brother. He has, though, not edited much. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's only if I find some odd reason to checkuser your IP. I have a few shared IPs... my sister and brother both have accounts. TTEchidna 03:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You have family? You've never mentioned that before, I don't think. *Jioruji Derako used Shadow Claw on Gliscor!* -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 23:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Where else would I live? TTEchidna 23:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Family Members, I meant. You give off the air of an only child. (probably because you've never mentioned having siblings.) -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 23:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm usually a loner anyway. TTEchidna 00:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. *parting shot at Gliscor* -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 00:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I KNOW

there's a way we can get Bulbabot (or another bot) to do tedious redirecting work for us. TFwiki's bot, Deceptitran, does it all the time. If I get its creator to help me, can you change bulbabot and get it to do that for us? --((Marton imos)) 08:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

If I knew how to program ol' botty, I'd've done that. TTEchidna 23:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. Who can, aside from Zhen? --((Marton imos)) 23:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask... Perhaps even learn how to myself. I know some C++, and I think Botty uses C#. TTEchidna 23:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Oy. Derik says he wrote Deceptitran in PHP... I don't know entirely what that means, of course, but... the discussion is here. Once you find someone who can do it, I'll see if I can try to get this all working. --((Marton imos)) 23:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, PHP... another language I don't even know! TTEchidna 00:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I've placed a request on the "requested bots and templates" thread on the forums, so we can take this there. Hopefully, we can get something done. --((Marton imos)) 02:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Double-Edge and other recoil moves

A couple days ago I popped onto Bulbapedia and was looking around at the different types when I noticed that the moves Double-Edge, Brave Bird, Flare Blitz, and Wood Hammer all had 1/4 listed as their recoil damage. I went about correcting them to 1/3 because that is what I believe it to be (Personal experience and Nintendo Power guides) and a member posted on my Talk wall saying I should contact you about it. I've put up some stuff on the Double-Edge talk page as well about what I think it should be changed to and I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Fensti 18:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've tested it myself, and you're absolutely correct. Just remember you don't need to put your name after the four tildes: they bring up your signature anyway. TTEchidna 23:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

It's no problem, just doing my job to make sure everything is right, and I'll keep that in mind in the future. Fensti 01:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Side game alternate form templates

I'm making some templates to demonstrate the form differences in side games. Apparently there are none in Pinball R/S. Also, the jury is still out for some of the PMD2ers (Deoxys, Castform and Cherrim) and Deoxys in Trozei. So here are the ones that I've done though.

• PMD2 Unown: Template:Side game/Dungeon2yes/28formes
• PMD2 Burmy/Wormadam: Template:Side game/Dungeon2yes/3formes‎
• PMD2 Shellos/Gastrodon: Template:Side game/Dungeon2yes/2formes‎
• Trozei Unown: Template:Side game/Trozeiyes/28formes

--MisterE13 03:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy... sounds like fun. Well, I'll see what I can do. TTEchidna 03:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ping!

Template talk:Catchentry4. Please? I'm just trying to find a legible color now. — THE TROM — 10:09, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh fine. Just... make sure it gets reprotected. TTEchidna 10:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Check Lake Verity and see if you can read it/like it. I'm offline now so feel free to protect or change the color to a more legible one. — THE TROM — 10:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. TTEchidna 10:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, wait, brackets around the FR, LG, or E to match the ones above would be helpful, seeing as you've now locked it again. — THE TROM — 10:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Now, check out the version exclusive talk page. TTEchidna 10:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Check it out yourself. I've already replied. :p — THE TROM — 10:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Well since it was archived... I still say it's better going RGBY, since that's how everything else goes. Note on the footer thing that'd say "Green's Pokémon distribution is the same as the English Blue". TTEchidna 22:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Change a user from none to abuse

Missingyes has ignored warnings to stop editing the userspace. I protected his userpage. Could you change his status from none to abuse? --ケンジのガール 22:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Done and done. Next time, though, could you just protect the person's page for, say, a week, so that we don't have to come back and unprotect it manually? TTEchidna 22:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

2 More Questions

• You know what happened with Missingyes. How would this process work with admins who abuse privileges at userpages?
• What's the difference between <!-- and <includeonly>? ^ht14

Well, depends on what you mean. If it's about me, specifically, I only edit userpages very often because I'm often doing a project I wanna keep outta the mainspace so far. If it's not regarding that, they'd likely get a talking to (as admins, they're a lot more accountable than regular joes off the street who come here just for userpages), and in extreme cases, may lose powah. And the difference between those tags are that includeonly works so that when a page is used as a template, the stuff between those tags appears, but does not appear on the template page. Noinclude is the reverse. The thing with the exclamation comments out whatever it is. TTEchidna 23:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Minor edits

I think we should have some sort of policy about minor edits. I know some users who mark almost all of their edits as minor, while some other users (such as myself) tend to stick with this. Now, if new users see an edit marked as minor that adds a lot of bytes to a page, and sees one not marked as minor that adds a lot of bytes to a page, it could confuse them. Therefore, I think we should have an official policy about minor edits. What do you think? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

WHO CARES?--RexRacer -talk 01:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Be careful, that violates this. But to answer you, I already said it: We don't wanna confuse new users. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Rexracer is correct. Who really does care? This is not important, at all. minoring edits is a personal preference, not a policy, or else the minor all edits feature wouldn't be in every single users own preferences. You are just nit-picking at other people over such minimal, useless things that have nothing to do with anything. This has happened countless times again and again (expect a comment on your talk page over this.) Not everyone has to do exactly as you do. Some things... you got to just let go. Also, rexracer was using all caps for emphasis and not yelling. No problem done. ^Maverick_Nate 01:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

If it was personal preference, there wouldn't be anything about it on Wikipedia. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, there isn't anything on wikipedia about it. It is all you. ^Maverick_Nate 01:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes there is. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Do note, that's a Help page, not an official policy there. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 01:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Yes, and every follows it on Wikipedia. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This isn't Wikipedia now is it? --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 01:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I never said it was. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia admins do not enforce that. And we haven't either, and you think you are all high and mighty to do something no one cares about. You are implying that it is, that this is wikipedia ^Maverick_Nate 01:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Why does everyone act like they hate me? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

About 3.8/4 of my edits are minor edits. So why does it matter? --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 01:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Give me some examples. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict number five)

How about we hold back on this discussion until TTE actually gets a chance to read it? I can't foresee much discussion here beyond back-and-forth argument about Wikipedia's policies, which really doesn't have much to do with us.

I apologize if I'm acting like I hate you at all, Chocolate. Remember that this is the internet; it's very easy to take things out of context. I don't believe Maverick or Rex are expressing any hatred towards you, they merely disagree with your opinion. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 01:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok.--RexRacer -talk

The thing is. It does not matter. And we do not hate you. ^Maverick_Nate

(resetting indent) Mav: If you don't hate me, why do you act like you do? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Geo: I wasn't referring to you anyway when I was asking why people were acting like they hated me. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This was all to proove a point. You fixed every single problem that I have changed, otherwise... the nit-picking. Not everyone has to do the same exact orderly fashion you have to do, and you shouldn't complain to people about it. You think everything you do is right, and when someone does the same thing differently, or tries to modify what you do in any way, you yell and/or question them. This happens all the time, every single time. When evkl reverted you today, you questioned him. When Martonimos didn't put the archive description on Ash's Charizard's talk, you had to change it to what you do. You had to complain to Geo for the minor edit thing for days, and when you decided you were getting no where, you went to TTE. You have made up rules in order to stop people from reverting you (which failed), you became a nazi on the archives because SOMEONE WAS UPLOOADING A JPG ANIME SCREENSHOT!!!! HE MUST BE DEALT WITH!!!And even now, you've added my timestamp whenever I purposefully didn't put it on, and chjanged the colons I screwed up on purpose. Moral of the story? Not everyone has to do everything exactly as you have done. Let people do what they feel they should. Don't question everything everyone does that isn't exactly what you do, or is a revert of something that you have edited. These things you have nit-picked are not important and have no concern about anything. So lay off other peoples' cases, and let the cards fall as they may. Not everything has to be the same as you. ^Maverick_Nate 02:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys, I'm gonna have to agree with RexRacer. Who cares? Minor edits, major edits, I don't click the button anyway. All it does is help hide stuff on RC if you click "Hide minor edits". And who does that? I check over everything. Only thing that'd be good for really is trying to hide vandalism. It's pointless to argue about. Seriously. Also, plz no nitpicking, that's my job. TTEchidna 02:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Way to go, Nate. You just proved that your "truce" with me was fake. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 02:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Name change request

Hi, can I request for my username to be changed to EspeonA? SpontaneousCombusken is a handful to type, and this will make most of my usernames consistent. And I wanted to make a fresh new start for 2009. :) - _s.Combusken 02:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

You too? Well, I suppose, why not. Gimme a minute. TTEchidna 02:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: your message

Online now. — THE TROM — 09:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Reminder

To change my username.--^KK ^llⁿn 21:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

What was it to be changed to? TTEchidna 22:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that was strangely ironic Poli got it...--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, he'll be getting the Archives and News accounts renamed in a second, after which he ought to leave a message on your talk to reunify them. TTEchidna 22:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Question

Is it possible to get my user name changed more than once during my time on Bulbapedia? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 22:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Possible? Yes. Will I do it? Gimme a really, really good reason why I should after three months. TTEchidna 22:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Move-protection

Can the main characters be moved-protected to sysop? I think it is within reason to do this so that some vandal doesn't come along and move them. Main characters, as well various other things need proper move protection. I can think of the following to be move-protected as well: Items, Poké balls, Pokémon disambiguation pages, and the game articles. --Bulbapedian - Talk 23:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps. Kinda busy right now... um... anyone else wanna take care of this? TTEchidna 23:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. I've already told Politoed666 about it. If you get free time, it is something you should get to. Thanks. --Bulbapedian - Talk 23:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okee then. TTEchidna 23:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Really minor name change request

Before I go, I want to change my name to PH1RESTRIKE. The 3 makes "PH1R3" look too much like "Ph34r", and I don't want people thinking I have any relation to them. PH1R3STRIKE 20:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Reminder to change username

Just to remind you to change my username to Satoshi, in case it's available. Pokemon lover 22:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Check your talk page, you've already been told why you can't be neamed Satoshi. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 22:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Are there any complex names already taken that have the name Satoshi on them? It's becuase I would like to be renamed as Satoshi Ketchum, then.- unsigned comment from Pokemon lover (talk • contribs)

Well, while that is a bit unoriginal, I'll be able to get to it later on... TTEchidna 22:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that reminds me

You should probably change the needed article on the Main Page.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 23:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. TTEchidna 23:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Castform spritebox

ht14 made me relaize that since Castform's alternate sprites are never actually released from Balls, they wouldn't have any animated sprites. So, could you please change the Emerald sprites from .gifs to .pngs, I've already created redirects to the Ruby/Sapphire ones on the Archives. In case you forgot, the template is Template:Sprite/3/4formes/1shiny.--MisterE13 16:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Oy... damned Castform. TTEchidna 21:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You're Lying About the Computers Crashing Thing…

…Right?Telme 04:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

In 2038? Nope. Check this out. TTEchidna 06:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

..........

.."Diby" → "The Royal Bengal Tiger". Will you? Please? "Diby" sounds feminine and I'm not a female...--Diby 06:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

...erm. Why that... name. Anything... better? TTEchidna 06:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

My favorite animal and our national animal.--Diby 06:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

...so anything, you know, that's not just that? I don't call myself Time Traveling Tachyglossus aculeatus for a reason. TTEchidna 06:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Can't think of any other better name right now...and I'm desperate to change this name for the reason I provided...What is the problem with sticking with this name?--Diby 06:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... it doesn't seem... creative. *shrug* But if you do wish... ask again in a couple months, though, you've been renamed already... TTEchidna 07:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

"Sher-e-Bengal" will be a better name. Anyway, I expected that "couple of months" thing. Can you rename it earlier? For example, if I do 800+ mainspace contributions in February?--Diby 12:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

If you get to the top five of TCOTM for this month, I will, and you can even cite this comment when you remind me. TTEchidna 23:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Timer

Would you be able to show me how to get a timer (via wiki coding) that I can put on my user page or something, preferabley one that counts down seconds minutes and hours, please reply on my talk page, thanks.--MysteryHeff? ^TALK 10:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It's mostly just special parser hooks, all working together... Just take the coding from my timer and begin screwing with it with the preview button. TTEchidna 23:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Wanted Pages and Images

I was browsing the list of Wanted Pages to see if there was any I could kill, and noticed a lot of images. In each case, the issue is with the images being linked to on talk pages like [[:Image:000.png]] as opposed to [[a:Image:000.png]], which is how {{img}} deals with them. Mind going through and changing them so they drop off the list? I'd do it myself but most pages are protected anyway. Gywall Talk 15:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Gimme the pages. TTEchidna 23:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!

The Golden Mudkip Award Congratulations! For your outstanding addition of new trivia to Bulbapedia, you have been awarded the Golden Mudkip Award for December, 2008 by the Bulbapedia editorial board! Please place this template onto your userpage by putting {{User received GoldKip|December, 2008}} among your userboxes.

Thank you for letting us know that Sceptile has the highest Base Stat Total of any final stage Grass-type starter. -- MAGNEDETH 06:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

You bet. And for, you know, everything else too. TTEchidna 08:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Gratz TTE, keep up the good work!     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 23:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Username Change

Archaic told me you were the one to talk to about username changes. My friend is no longer able to use this account so I was wondering if I could simplify things and call it Zephy.Changes? That's is the name of my other accounts on everything and that way my computer only has to remember one username and password. Thank you. - unsigned comment from Pokemon.princesses (talk • contribs)

At this rate there will be at least 10 username change request pre month...--FF(edits-talk) 09:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah really. TTEchidna 09:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

is this true??

My buddy pikathychu!!! told me that u were mean 2 her and she alsol want me 2 tell u that she tyhink's that your a fiking idiot!Bluepika!!! 21:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

*wags finger* that's not very nice.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 21:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... and try to use proper spelling when you're calling someone an idiot. It doesn't make you look good. --ケンジのガール 21:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well BluePika!!!, I herd u were mean to MAGNDETH and made him cry, so tere.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 22:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

i heard DCM was a liar, and i was right. but, more to the point, HAHAHA!! -- MAGNEDETH 22:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I was not mean in any way other than telling her to improve her grammar and spelling. This goes for you as well, Bluepika. You may be 11, but that does not excuse you on the internet. Additionally, we have several users your age who contribute with excellent grammar and spelling. TTEchidna 22:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

A user comes to support another user, claiming that the user being supported is their friend? Where have I heard this before?--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably true. Considering, you know, both Pikathychu!!! and this dorkus have the same IPs, and the same one as Dragonbeastx. TTEchidna 22:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

1 !: WHO IS MAGNDETH ANYWAY???? 2 :When was i "mean" 2 him or her??? 3: who is dragonbeastx???? 4: what do you mean by IPs???- unsigned comment from Bluepika!!! (talk • contribs)

'Deth is a stoopid tul admin, You were never mean to him, it was DCM's joke, Dragonbeastx is your "Buddy's" brother. IPs are something I can't explain.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. I quote Optimatum: "Checkusers can detect IP addresses, which are *usually* fixed sets of numbers given out by your computer while it's on a hentai site on the Internet. It's like a telephone number, just more awkward and cannot be dialed." That's what an IP is.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Course It could not be a sockpuppet. Keep in mind that the nuclear family has two kids in it, and others have 3+DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 23:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DCM, could you PLEASE let up on the new users just a little bit? *Θρtιmαtum_Talk 23:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Psst. Dude, your tag's open. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 23:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Why didn't you fix it? Θρtιmαtum_Talk 23:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Twas a joke... one should post after lifting. All the bad jokes you can make in a workout room are rude elsewhere. Im sorry BluePika!!!. Heres a hug.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 00:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that all of you have begun to get "acuanted" with me there is something that you should know but you wont not like it! And a little piece of advice: if you do something you have to pay 4 it! and soo does evry 1 els!- unsigned comment from Bluepika!!! (talk • contribs)

We speak English here. Mind giving us a translation?--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 00:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that all of you have begun to get acquainted with me there is something you should know but you will not like it. And a Little piece of Advice: If you do something you have to pay for it, and so does everyone else

HERE HERE! Ok, im done teasingDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 00:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

If you just ignore someone, they'll shut up after a while. I suggest a protection of TTE's talk. Θρtιmαtum_Talk 00:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

SHUT UP!!! YOU ******* *****!!!!!!! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY!!!! ONLY MEMBRE OF BULBAPEDIA WILL KNOW WHAT ISD GOING ON!! NOW SHUT THE ******* UP!! - unsigned comment from Bluepika!!! (talk | contribs) 00:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...should I tell him/her I've been here for 1 and a half years...? Θρtιmαtum_Talk 00:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

i dont think it will matter. they are clearly delusional... -- MAGNEDETH 00:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned

TTE, could you unprotect the unsigned template? I want to make a few changes to it. --Bulbapedian - Talk 22:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Erm. What changes? Just talkpage it. TTEchidna 23:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It should be like this, replacing the current fillers: <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Example|contribs]])'' 00:00, 1 January 2000 (UTC)''</small> --Bulbapedian - Talk 23:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The only difference I see is replacing the dot thing with a "|" and changing the "talk" to the user's name. Why is this better?--RexRacer -talk 23:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

- unsigned comment from Example (talk • contribs)

as opposed to

- unsigned comment from Example (Example | contribs)

I like the first one better, actually. But you can try using {{u}} for the first part. - espeonA 23:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh, Rex… did you even notice that the second one includes a timestamp while the first doesn't? Big difference! --Bulbapedian - Talk 00:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Timestamp? Do we really need that? TTEchidna 00:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Timestamping is already possible with {{unsigned}}. As an example {{unsigned|Kogoro|04:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)}} produces: - unsigned comment from Kogoro (talk • contribs) 04:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC), you just have to use the {{{2}}} variable already in the template. It's not something that is needed to be done. But if you want to do so, it already has the capability. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 00:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, timestamping would not be accurate because the time of putting the template on and the time of posting are two different things. --RexRacer -talk 00:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

So, you'd have to go into the history and find the time in which the person posted the message. That's not so hard. Still, there are changes I've pointed out in the template. That would just be replacing the bullet with a vertical bar, and lowercasing the "t" in "talk". When the template is used from now on, we'll just call it with subst: and put in the user and time of original posting. --Bulbapedian - Talk 01:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Lowercasing the "t" in "talk"? You change it to make it so that it display's the user's name!--RexRacer -talk 01:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Right, right, settle down. Just make these tweaks and adhere to these better organizational techniques. --Bulbapedian - Talk 01:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

?--RexRacer -talk 01:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, you were right. I accidently had it saying the user's name instead of "talk", but I changed my own mistake. Anyway, TTE, could you change the template to the above in my comment? Once it is implemented, we need to call the template with subst:, and it will be the same amount of effort as the current one. As for a timestamp, the only way it could happen automatically would be if we got a bot, much like Wikipedia's SineBot, to do it for us. --Bulbapedian - Talk 02:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

With the pipe instead of the bullet? I dunno, does everyone think it'd be good? Or does it really matter? TTEchidna 03:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I like the bullet personnally.--MisterE13 03:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I just like it better my way. Also, just for the record, EspeonA, the difference between the current code and my own changes is

• - unsigned comment from Example (talk • contribs) as opposed to - unsigned comment from Example (talk | contribs), not
• - unsigned comment from Example (talk • contribs) as opposed to - unsigned comment from talk (Example | contribs). --Bulbapedian - Talk 03:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Personally, the bullet vs. the vertical bar doesn't matter. I just wanted people to timestamp peoples' unsigned comments with the template. Kogoro has pointed out that this is possible. If so, then it isn't changes that are needed to the template, (which I thought it would mean) it is just how it is carried out. For the timestamp, it must read: {{subst:Unsigned|Example|00:00, 1 January 2000 (UTC)}}. We can do it this way, or implement BulbaBot or another bot to carry this out. Which do you like? --Bulbapedian - Talk 03:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

If you can program the hunk of junk, then please go ahead. Nobody here knows how to...:(--RexRacer -talk 03:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Or program your own, and tell me so I can give it status. TTEchidna 03:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, therein lies the problem. Rex said he or no one else was able to. We can, however copy the coding that makes up WP:User:SineBot, and adjust it to read the current template, because it is a little different. --Bulbapedian - Talk 03:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That's kinda... stealing. So no. TTEchidna 05:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Mart item icon sprites

Now in case you haven't checked the talk recently, I've wanted to add icon sprites next to every item, though I want to avoid anyone having to manually put an image link in. So, I've tried to derive the image link straight from the item name provided, however I've noticed that the format many images are named by have many variants.

In which case, I'm just wondering whether it would be wise to make a similar switch to what I did with Trainerexp, and match every item name to their images? Would this solution slow down the server in any way (since changing it would affect every page it was linked to)? Or, the other alternative that Laoris suggested, was to individually move all the images that are named in different formats to the same format, then correcting all broken links... unless there's a way to create redirects for images?

Also, do you think it might be good to introduce some extra parserfunctions which may be useful in the future, such as {{#replace:}}? (I'm not sure whether you have access to installing them or not)     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Eck, I dunno about doing that. In all honesty, I've been wanting to round up all the item sprites and set them to proper names. And make them all pngs. Cough Coin Case. Standardize something, like make them Image:Bag (item name).png or something. TTEchidna 00:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it'd be a good idea to standardize item sprites and items in general. Is it possible to do image redirects? — Laoris _(Blah) 04:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Image redirects, yes, on the archives. I was thinking instead we begin by reuploading, though, then deleting the old one and redirecting the filename to the new one. TTEchidna 04:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Do you want us to do it? How should the images be named? — Laoris _(Blah) 04:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Tomorrow I'll tell you, after getting a consensus from the others. Personally, I'd say that they should be at Bag (item name).png meaning that the DeepSeaTooth should be at File:Bag DeepSeaTooth.png. But wait until I give you the go. It shouldn't interfere, but we'll talk it over JUST IN CASE. TTEchidna 04:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

No, Archive redirects are just wrong. If they need phasing out, I'll be happy to do it. but no redirects! ^Maverick_Nate 05:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Redirects are better than duplicate files, especially for the Pokémon game sprites. TTEchidna 05:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That why we delete the duplicate files and only use one, thus, phasing out the old oes and only using the new. ^Maverick_Nate 15:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that also mean you'd have to go through and correct every broken image link? But reuploading all of them to a standard name will definitely solve the item icon sprite problem.

However, I've noticed that some people have been going round changing and correcting all the redirecting links in the mart templates to their proper ones, which will definitely screw up the eventual code to derive the image from the item name... must they correct the links?     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 15:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

So about those mozbordered templates...

What do you think about this?

If you like the style I'll mainspace it and convert some of the other, unprotected templates to this border style (which I shamelessly stole from Sithslayer's Template:Mart). Colorscheme was kept the same though, idk if you wanted to change it but I figured probably not seeing as templates are generally neutral. — THE TROM — 03:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

...whoa, man, that's pretty. I love it. And any protected templates, just do the mozdev work on the talkpage. TTEchidna 03:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sweet! That's me sorted for the evening. I've also made a template for the Dept Stores with this style but didn't mainspace it til you'd given me the go-ahead for this. So I'll chuck that over too. — THE TROM — 03:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Department stores...? What's that look like, first? TTEchidna 03:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Like that ↑ — THE TROM — 03:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget the space after Goldenrod! TTEchidna 03:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

OMG ju stoel ma pwetty stylez!! D: Nah it's cool man. But I do reckon it could do with a slight color change if you ask me... otherwise it could make that color scheme look rather dull if you use it for anything more. Especially on a page that's already covered with mart templates :d ...Ooh, oh I know, what about greenish to match Bulbapedia? Just a thought.     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 15:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah... ^ht14 18:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

←Region templates ought to be colorcoded for the region. Gym Leaders could be for type preference. But I'd prefer most templates to stay this nice blue color so everything matches up and looks consistent. Thanks guys for finishing up some while I slept :D — THE TROM — 20:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. This is good for the standard. TTEchidna 21:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw that DanPMK was using ・ instead of | for dividers, so I've adopted this too for some templates. Make it the standard though? — THE TROM — 09:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Which one? The bullet's a hell of a lot harder than the vertical pipe to access using a normal keyboard... TTEchidna 09:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It's in the character palette though. — THE TROM — 09:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Eh. It'd be a hell of a lot of templates to change, then, 90% of them with protection do to how many pages they're used on. TTEchidna 09:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

That bullet's slightly-off-centerness bothers me a little. — Laoris _(Blah) 09:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem we had though was with roman numeral confusion. So maybe dots for roman numeral templates and pipes for the rest? — THE TROM — 09:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't really see how you could get confused there... | is a lot longer below than I. What template, specifically? TTEchidna 09:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Pokelist}} — THE TROM — 09:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My god it's TINY, you can barely see it! TTEchidna 09:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

←You must have your screen zoomed out; it's fine for me. Much better than those confusing pipes though, at least it divides it a bit more. — THE TROM — 09:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

No, this is regular zoom. It's barely a pixel! TTEchidna 09:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Odd. Mine's fine, I can see it clearly and it leaves a good space in between the text. Maybe it's just you... or just me...? — THE TROM — 09:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The bullets are tiny, not the text. I dunno if it's the same in IE. --☆Kevzo8 09:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I checked IE, that's kinda bad... but still better than pipes IMHO. — THE TROM — 09:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the Character Map here, there's a few other options... there's a bunch of bullets that are slightly bigger, and the smallest of the bunch (Alt + 0149) is pretty easy to see.

Examples: small bullet • small square ▪ larger bullet ● larger square ■ random text

Perhaps the small bullet would be good for dividers, it's even got a keystroke, so anyone who can remember how to type the accented é can probably remember how to do the bullets as well... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 10:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

With the size of the bullets, it's simply to do with resolutions, more recent resolutions, especially on the latest monitors, will have huge resolutions, making the bullets look tiny, as it does on mine, which is at 1280 x 1024 px. If you ask me, the small bullet that Jio gave above looks good, we could stick it on the Character pallette perhaps? Otherwise simply bolding the normal one could work.

Small bullet: Generation I • Generation II • Generation III • Generation IV

Normal bullet bolded: Generation I・Generation II・Generation III・Generation IV- unsigned comment from S1tHSL4y3r (talk • contribs)

Normal one's still ugly. Let's go with the small and circular one. TTEchidna 21:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Unprotect

Could you unprotect {{Wondercard}} please? I want to fix something. _*tc26_* 07:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You guys do know that it's easier to just talkpage it and then let us implement it... TTEchidna 07:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

It's there. _*tc26_* 08:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Uhm. I think it's screwed up. BAD. TTEchidna 08:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe someone just used the wrong parameters. D'oh. TTEchidna 08:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:ExpansionInfobox

You asked, and so you shall receive. Works perfectly in the new TCG infoboxes and every option imaginable is in there (except the dividers - they're easy enough to add inbetween, though, they just looked ugly as sin in the template itself). Cipher ^(Talk) 21:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks pretty nice. Implement it as {{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion}}. TTEchidna 00:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

M2 and P2

May I redirect them to {{m}} and {{p}}? The code of the basic templates has been changed to be the same as the "2" templates. --((Marton imos)) 05:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

If you do that, can you copy the code from {{a2}} to {{a}} and redirect that one too? — Laoris _(Blah) 06:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait what, they've been changed?! Well, in that case, go for it. *covers ears for the cascade of updates* TTEchidna 06:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Again

This is your second warning. Please refrain from editing the User: namespace too rapidly, or you will lose privileges Could you please change the needed article on teh Main Page?--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 21:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

That's true. I'm edging for-a editing. btw Any admin can edit the Ongoing Work section.--Clarky13 21:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well TTE was the only one on the Recent Changes.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 21:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Your timer and talk page counter

Is it OK if I use them? I'll give you credit of course.--MisterE13 22:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. TTEchidna 01:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

An idea I had,

Look at this:

User:MisterE13/Sandbox- unsigned comment from MisterE13 (talk • contribs) Of course, others would be encouraged to post other such requests.--MisterE13 23:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Two questions

1. Do edits to a user's Sandbox count towards the four-a-day limit?
2. I changed my name on Bulbapedia, but my forums username is still known as "SpontaneousCombusken." How can I fix this? (I'm not active on those forums anyway, but I might get active again after the forums are renovated.)
3. - espeonA 05:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding question two, you can change your username at anytime from the change email menu. It doesn't change with the wiki because forums are not in the unified area.Θρtιmαtum_Talk 05:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the first, if they aren't stupid edits, they're okay. TTEchidna 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

No stupid edits? :U Okay... Well, thanks for the quick replies, guys. - espeonA 05:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Well in all actuality, the whole 4-edit restriction is gonna be killed anyway because of the forum upgrade, thus becoming just plainly "don't edit JUST your userspace and PLEASE use the preview button". TTEchidna 05:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Images floating right confliction

Template:Infobox town I've noticed that images set to float right conflict with Infoboxes, and end up below the Infobox instead, while dragging all the "edit" links with them (except in IE), as well as anything else set to float left, which looks horrible. I've had a test play with the coding, and I think there's a clear or something somewhere within the Image template, so the only solution I can find to this is to contain the image (which must be set to position "none") in a manually coded div styled to float:right, thus restricting the clear in the Image to work only within the div, and the image will float right properly against the Infobox. Is there another way to fix this? Though it'd probably mean taking a look at and tampering with the source code for the Image: template.

To show you what I'm talking about:

Image is inserted here [[Image:Geckarbor_Sugimori1.png|thumb|right|100px|However, image will only appear here. In IE, it will have also pulled down everything under this image.]]

File:Geckarbor Sugimori1.png

However, image will only appear here. In IE, it will have also pulled down everything under this image.

Some text text text text text text text text text text text text text.

Left image is inserted here [[Image:258Mudkip.png|thumb|left|100px|However, left image will only appear here, pulled down by the right one.]]

However, left image will only appear here, pulled by the right one.

Some more text text text text text text text text text text text text text.

Section - this one's gone too!

Some more text text text text text text text text text text text text text.

Section - zomg

Subsection - still no edit link! D:

Template:Infobox town

But look, image in floating right div inserted here <div style="float:right; margin-left: 15px;">[[Image:Geckarbor_Sugimori1.png|thumb|none|100px|Huzzah, floats correctly!]]</div>

File:Geckarbor Sugimori1.png

Huzzah, floats correctly!

Some more text text text text text text text text text text text text text lorem ipsum stuff in latin, mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb, mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow, and every where that mary went, mary went, mary went, everywhere that mary went her lamb was sure to go.

Left image is inserted here [[Image:258Mudkip.png|thumb|left|100px|Left images stay where they are.]]

Left images stay where they are.

Some more text text text text text text text text text text text text text lorem ipsum stuff in latin, mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb, mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow, and every where that mary went, mary went, mary went, everywhere that mary went her lamb was sure to go. Some more text text text text text text text text text text text text text lorem ipsum stuff in latin, mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb, mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow, and every where that mary went, mary went, mary went, everywhere that mary went her lamb was sure to go.

Even more text text text text text text text text text text text text text.

Anyway, some examples:

Lavender Town - all the "edit" links have been dragged down to the Generation II image

Twinleaf Town - whereas here, I've manually placed the image in a div, so now it floats correctly against the Infobox

And uh, sorry for the lengthy expansion to your talk page P=     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 07:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I get what you mean. It's not my fault, really, and I don't have any control over the crappiness of the wiki software... that'd be a better thing to take up with the developers in charge... I'll ask, point to this discussion, and all I can, but the most we'd likely get is an extension that fixes that possibly or we'll wait for MediaWiki to develop something regarding it. TTEchidna 08:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I'm not blaming you or anything, it's definitely not your fault, I'm just wondering whether there actually is a better way to fix it, like an Image: template or something that can be edited? Otherwise, perhaps it's actually a conflict between the image wikicode and the table wikicode which holds the Infobox... There could be a way around this, perhaps if all the Infoboxes were converted to divs instead of using wikicode tables, though that might be overdoing it a bit, or I could just code a template with a float right div, to apply to images to float right correctly...? But thanks for considering the problem. Has anyone else mentioned about this before?     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 10:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh and uh, by the way

I propose an improved {{Pokelist}} template design which can be applied to other similar templates. What do you think?     -–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 13:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It looks horrible and unorginised--FF(edits-talk) 13:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah, It looks better.--☆Kevzo8 14:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)