Talk:Unova

Interwiki link

Please add de:Isshu-chihō to the interwiki list.--Afrael ^talk 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —darklordtrom 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Region Image

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--Jimmyduckegg 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. Reign 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

There's a larger version of the map out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? Vienna Waltz 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Please add...

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) (Yaminokame 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

Is this confermed? If so, where?

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Right here, on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

New location

There's something on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — Axxonn_{theAwesometrainer} 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--KurowaSan 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. Mudkipchan 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not a region, so no. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. Mudkipchan 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all main regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. TTEchidna 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Does Almia not count? It's a region. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Grk, strike that. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --ケンジのガール 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----Zewis (29) 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the Cerulean Gym have 4, Daisy, Lily, Violet, and Misty? DoTheWave 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

New York?

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. CuboneKing 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be everywhere by now. Reign 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? - unsigned comment from DialgaMaster105 (talk • contribs)

We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... CuboneKing 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[1] - unsigned comment from C.Rad(-0-) (talk • contribs)

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. - unsigned comment from Mismagius13 (talk • contribs)

No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--Pokélova! 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.LucarioWolf 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Sky Arrow Bridge

why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like: [2] Badwolf1234 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. TTEchidna 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Team Phantom

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --Squishy 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

And where is this informatino from?--MisterE13 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. TTEchidna 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. 67h5r6h 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... (Ataro 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

Hiun City

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. Pokemonemerfan1954 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. 梅子^❀_✿ 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.Toback 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's confirm an original source.

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

Sawamular101 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. Aura-Knight 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely. It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. Sawamular101 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. Mudkipchan 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro. http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. Sawamular101 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. Mudkipchan 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.Sawamular101 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ 梅子^❀_✿ 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes.Sawamular101 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. Sawamular101 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？

メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz 梅子^❀_✿ 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not testing him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. 梅子^❀_✿ 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。Sawamular101 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！

To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is assumed to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. 梅子^❀_✿ 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.Sawamular101 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like this screenshot might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. 梅子^❀_✿ 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). Sawamular101 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 Sawamular101 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a Warrning

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan. I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. (Kmanecke 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))

Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Trivia.

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --S2daam 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Routes

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? Pokemonemerfan1954 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Black City/ White Forest

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? 67h5r6h 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --Psy_ライダー☮ 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

TA. DA. —darklordtrom 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Add image

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 (a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png). --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. --ZestyCactus 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ Jello 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Another warning for the mods.

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

How is there evena connection between them? --HoennMaster 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --Midnight Blue 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

A "warning for the mods"? or a "warning from the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--ForceFire 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

A warning for the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --ForceFire 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --SnorlaxMonster 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

New City revealed

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--Toback 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Got a new map image

File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --Sotomura 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

That file has been deleted as it's the same as a:File:Isshu.jpg —darklordtrom 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It's New York

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --The Great Butler 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. Ataro 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Isshu! TTEchidna 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. Sawamular101 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --The Great Butler 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/

It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. Sawamular101 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. Sawamular101 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

So it's true after all? Ataro 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. Sawamular101 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".Sawamular101 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

[3] -Pokeant 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

New Jersey

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --HoennMaster 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Just throwing this out there

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "Motif". --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?

2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.

3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.

In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

mod·el

n.

1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.

2.

a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.

b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.

3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.

4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.

5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.

6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.

7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.

8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

mo·tif (m-tf)

n.

1.

a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.

b. A dominant theme or central idea.

2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.

3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

Now,

1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.

2. Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.

Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.

Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.

Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. I dare you.

3. 3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.

Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.

I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.

No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we know about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we know, they're something people assume. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's Motif. No one has released Isshu's Model.

There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.

Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak really changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Just throwing it out there Part 2

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —darklordtrom 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when word of god states that New York is Isshu's Motif? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177

イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。

(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15

九州を舞台にしたんです。

(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. Sawamular101 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? Marlowe 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --Andy^P_K^M_N 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --Mackinz of SoulSilver 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --Mackinz of SoulSilver 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも ニューヨークにすごく近いんです。

The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is near NY. Sawamular101 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, isn't that vague? near NY... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

ニューヨークにすごく近いんです

"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.Sawamular101 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". Sawamular101 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! TTEchidna 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

Fix the page.

NOW.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. Marlowe 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

Simple answer: No, it does not."

Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article you provided, there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. Sawamular101 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Consider Kanto uses Pokémon Dollars in the rest of the world. TTEchidna 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. Sawamular101 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). Marlowe 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. Marlowe 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

Going to change the page back now.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. Marlowe 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

MOTIF

1. (5) motif, motive

(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)

2. (1) motif, motive

(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)

3. (1) theme, motif

(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

MODEL

1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")

2. (11) model

(a type of product; "his car was an old model")

3. (6) model, poser

(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")

4. (4) model, simulation

(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))

5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")

6. (1) model, role model

(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")

7. (1) model, example

(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")

8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")

9. model, modelling, modeling

(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

BASIS

1. (38) footing, basis, ground

(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")

2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")

3. basis, base

(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

STAGE

1. (25) phase, stage

(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")

2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")

3. (15) stage

(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")

4. (6) stage

(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")

5. (2) stagecoach, stage

(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")

6. (2) stage, leg

(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")

7. (1) stage

(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"

8. stage, microscope stage

(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he meant something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. However, at this point, it would be an assumption which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. Everyone assumes that New York is the basis of Isshu. It is confirmed ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. Nothing beyond that is confirmed. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. Marlowe 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [4]

While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

Give me a few minutes.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.Marlowe 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the theme (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the theme of New York.

But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--Ryuutakeshi 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.

I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.

Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)

Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!

Fact: Motif means "theme".

Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".

Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".

Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.

Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.

Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.

My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu is New York.

Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

Am I making sense?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. Marlowe 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. 梅子^❀_✿ 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Outdated Notice?

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. (Pokemaster97 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))

Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --HoennMaster 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--Shaymin Master426 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --HoennMaster 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

New Map of isshu.

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. Sawamular101 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--Si6x12 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. Sawamular101 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I would add it.--Si6x12 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

A guess on Etymology

Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *Un*ited States *of A*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *Poke*tto *Mon*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*Unis* (Unys) German: Ver*ein*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*ahl*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *Uni*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*ma*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. Deadpool 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - Vhayes1992 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Bridges

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. T a r o m o n 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. NotSteve19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

Alternative region translation?

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff) Imair 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

This has already been discussed on the forums. —Minimiscience 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Unova trivia

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --Snivy4Ever 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's already there. Look again. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? Gliscorguy54 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --Snivy4Ever 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. Gliscorguy54 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --Han Ji-Wan 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh I know. :P I know that all too well.... I just thought their source should be mentioned. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --Han Ji-Wan 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--Snivy4Ever 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --HoennMaster 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Locked

Why is the Unova article locked?? --Han Ji-Wan 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Battle Frontier

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? Icy 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --Han Ji-Wan 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Orre would like to say hello :P Tokeupdude 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

It is the only main series region. --SnorlaxMonster 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.- unsigned comment from Tokeupdude (talk • contribs)

Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--ForceFire 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. Tokeupdude 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) Tokeupdude 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Location?

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? Iml908 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. Han Ji-Wan 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Castelia population

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. Tokeupdude 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --SnorlaxMonster 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Contest in the Trivia

Should This be add this in the trivia?

Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.

Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?Taposa 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I meant in Games.Taposa 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--電禅Den Zen 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Only region outside of Japan?

"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."

What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --ChReNiC 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It's on side series now. Ataro 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The Battle Zone in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). XVuvuzela2010X 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. --Pokemaster97 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --HoennMaster 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's nice, but what about the template?. --Pokemaster97 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --HoennMaster 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. --Pokemaster97 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. XVuvuzela2010X 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. --Pokemaster97 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

another trivia?

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -Pokeant 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I think that's worth adding. ZMT123 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. Exterminieren 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren

Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --Spriteit 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

BW2

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? ZMT123 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Masatoshi_talk 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Image label

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.Bulbasect 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Ice layer

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --NotSteve 0_o 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

No, we are not certain. ZMT123 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The Black 2 and White 2 website says that Unova really is frozen over due to some freak incident. Pikatwig (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Remove ice covering speculation

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. ZMT123 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. ZMT123 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The ice is confirmed to be fake. Chomper4 (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Where was that confirmation? Most sites have translated the official site as saying that the ice is from an accident in the rural areas....that makes it sound real. --HoennMaster 05:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Trivia Issue

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. CrimsonCerberus 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

That's why it says "or former". Jasmine is stated in the Johto games to have been a rock specialist gym leader until her Onix evoled into a Steelix and she changed to Steel. Werdnae (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Non-icy B2W2

Has any such map yet been released? --Abcboy (talk) 17:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Unova Nationality

Despite it being heavily implied that Unova is far away from the other regions (with the reset route system and being based on New York), something came to my attention stating otherwise. In BW2 Crasher Wake tells the player that "Everyone says I'm a wrestler from abroad, but the truth is... I was born and raised in the Sinnoh region! It's what they call my gimmick!" It seems that Unova is undeniably in the same country, and likely way way closer to the other regions than Japan is to America. Should there be something added to the page to reflect it's nationality? --MicManGuy (talk) 11:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm parsing that as "Everyone (in Sinnoh), says I'm a wrestler from abroad", not "Everyone (here) says I'm a wrestler from abroad. It really doesn't say much of anything about say anything about the closeness of Unova to other places. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 14:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but he's not in Sinnoh. He's in Unova when he says that. If Sinnoh is really "abroad" relative to Unova, it wouldn't just be a gimmick, it'd actually be true. --MicManGuy (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

False trivia

Unova is not the only region without a Rock type gym, Johto didn't have one either. Shanicpower (talk) 09:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

It says "an actual or former". Jasmine was a former Rock-type trainer before she became a Steel-type trainer. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 10:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Unova Map of Sequels instead of the First Games?

I apologize if this has already been discussed - I couldn't find it in this talk section. But I noticed that the main image for the page uses the region map from the original Black and White games, with the Black/White 2 map being slightly lower down in the article. Shouldn't it be the other way around, seeing as the BW2 map has more locations and is more 'current' within the Pokémon world? --evacino (talk) 01:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

While this should be the case, we do not have a proper image of Unova showing all the new locations from BW2. The only images of BW2 Unova have the ice covering the eastern portion of the map or labels all over the place. --HoennMaster 03:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I was talking about this BW2 image as compared to the current one. Is that BW2 one a problem as it's at a slight angle or the like? --evacino (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, it's not a proper image. It's angled, it's shaded oddly, and it doesn't show the whole region. --HoennMaster 04:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, that makes perfect sense then. It's a shame Game Freak have never released the full, non-icy version of the image. It's odd as well since what can be seen of the BW2 map is basically the first Unova map but with a few added changes. The closest image I can find to what it might of looked like is this, which is a Photoshop of both maps together so it looks like the ice is removed. It's actually really well done considering! --evacino (talk) 04:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Besuto Uisshu

Do you not think that it is a coincidence that, with Japanese pronunciation and spelling, "Wishes" in "Best Wishes" is pronounced and spelled almost the same as "Isshu" in "Isshu-chihō"? Torr3 (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

B2W2 map

There is a full B2W2 map at It should replace File:Unova_B2W2_alt.png Lmoamemesxd (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC) Thanks for replacing the angled one with the one on there and PokéWiki. --Lmoamemesxd (talk) 10:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

B2W2 Exclusive Locations

I think we really should explicitly emphasize the fact that some locations in Unova are exclusive to B2W2. I know it is already said/implied here and there, but the information is diffuse and, if you don't know it already, hard to come by.

When looking at a route's or a city's page, if it is exclusive to B2W2, you end up having to deduce it from the lack of information about BW, instead of having a sentence saying it right away.

We should do like it's done, for example, in Emerald exclusive locations, where there is a sentence in the first paragraph saying the location only appears in Pokémon Emerald. Suic12- (talk) 15:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)