Talk:Woobat (Pokémon)

Abilities

Koromori's abilities are Unaware and Klutz and it's special move is Heart Slump. Dialgafan1 23:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Trivia?

Is this trivia worthy? Koromori is the first Psychic/Flying type since Natu, Xatu, and Lugia in Generation II.

No, though I feel that it may be noteworthy in the thing about Kurt to mention how when his character design was released Koromori had not be released, thus nobody knew the design on his hat was a pokemon. GreatLiver 01:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Protection

Why is it protected until 2011? Isn't that a bit too long? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 01:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

It'll be unprotected before/after Black and White's release. Thanks, --☆CoolPikachu! 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Name Origin

As it has a heart shaped nose and learns an attack called Heart stamp, is it possible that it's name may come from kokoro which means heart? Vienna Waltz 06:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yep. I think it's more credible than Korokoro. --Maxim 08:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

It's name could also be based on "koromo," which means "coating," as in a "coating of butter, glaze, icing, etc" which could also apply for fur or fuzziness. It makes sense to me, either way. --Oleandervine 17:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

I've gotten the sprite from it's battle screenshot, so you can update it. Link to the image. There (sorry, don't know how to attach any other way) Megadog 01:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Origin

Bat in Japanese is Kōmori (こうもり).

please read the article first.... it's already there (Ataro 02:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC))

Yeah right... And the thing I'm pointing out is that the article is wrong. Komori (as the article says) means babysitter, not bat　（Kōmori).KurowaSan 04:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

A section on this was just removed as being forum content, but it did bring up a point. The first piece of trivia should be removed (that it could belong to Ash or Iris), as it simply speculates based on a leaked character sheet.--SnorlaxMonster 05:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the part about Ash or Iris catching it, but i've left the part about it belonging to a member of the main cast, as I feel that's a reasonable assumption given that cast sheet. This should now be the end of this section. Werdnae (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Similarity Of Species

Koromori and Zubat/Golbat/Crobat have the same species name. This fact is mentioned in the trivia section of many other pokemon with a like similarity. Shouldn't this fact be mentioned. -InferSizMamoMagne 23:52:30 July 18, 2010 (UTC)

When the chance comes. There are much bigger things ATM.--immewnitythemew 00:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

It is the only Psychic Flying Pokémon not introduced in Gen II, unless more are added. I think it should be added. ----Zewis (29) 02:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, Both of Koromori's abilities were exclusive to their own normal type evolution line. Klutz was previously only had by Buneary and Lopunny, while Unaware was previously only had by Bidoof or Bibarel ***Snozzardi***

Color difference?

The Best Wishes official site have updated some new pictures including info about Arargi and some other Pokes. I don't know why but Koromori's central body is colored kind of green-ish on the art available on the site however it's white in the game art. So, is that a color difference or just an anime effect? Thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 08:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

It's likely just a matter of anime/Sugimori coloring differences, since Sugimori tends to do more gradual/gradient color shifts and the anime does cel shading. --PhantomJunkie 08:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

It could also have to do with where the Sugimori art came from; I know different colors are used between print and web art (cyan, magenta, and yellow vs. red, green, and blue). It's been an issue with Sugimori art in the past, with people getting pictures of Pokémon out of magazine scans and not optimizing the colors for the web. --PhantomJunkie 08:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Anyway, thanks for the help. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 08:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Woobat is not a Honduran white bat.

Currently, the Origins section of Woobat’s page claims that it’s based on the Honduran white bat. I’ve tried to remove this claim, but my edit was reverted. Perhaps my reason for editing was unclear, so I’ll detail it here. In part due to Woobat, I’ve developed a strong interest in bats. I research bats in my free time, I follow several bat rehabs on Instagram, and I own a large book of photos from prolific bat photographer Merlin Tuttle. It’s safe to say that I know what bats look like, so I can confidently say that Woobat has almost nothing in common with the Honduran white bat, and the editors’ insistence that this bat is Woobat’s primary basis indicates an apathy towards bats, and perhaps towards fact-checking in general.

The Honduran white bat is quite an odd bat, with many traits that set it apart from others. Woobat generally does not share these traits. It’s not white, it doesn’t have large eyes, its nose-leaf isn’t yellow or pointed, it doesn’t eat fruit, it doesn’t live in forests, and it doesn’t make tents out of leaves. The traits it does share with the Honduran white bat are traits also possessed by many other species. It’s pale, but light-colored fur is quite a common trait in bats, while actual white fur is rare. It has a nose-leaf, but so do hundreds of bats, and Woobat’s is a more typical pinkish color, while the Honduran white bat’s is distinctly yellow. The only uncommon trait of the Honduran white bat that Woobat shares is the round shape it appears to have from certain angles, but this could easily be a stylistic choice, and many other bats have rounded bodies. There’s also the “fact” that Woobat’s shiny coloration loosely resembles a Honduran white bat under a green leaf, but this is a great stretch, and it’s unknown if shiny coloration was even manually selected in Generation V.

The most likely reason this site claims that Woobat is inspired by the Honduran white bat is because it’s popular. It’s one of the few species of bats, along with flying foxes and one specific photo of an eastern red bat that resembles a donut, that is widely known on the Internet for its cuteness. It’s likely that an editor noticed that Woobat is cute, round, pale, and has a nose-leaf, and knowing very little about bats, assumed that those traits are exclusive to one of the few bats they’ve seen before. But Honduran white bats weren’t popular during Black and White’s development, and Pokémon developers have never given much special attention to popular animals, as exemplified by Fossil Pokémon (we got a sea lily before we got a T. rex).

So, what is Woobat based on? Well, like all other bat Pokémon, it’s a mix of different bats. It embodies the general concept of a small, fluffy, cave-dwelling, bug-eating bat. This description fits most bats native to New York (Unova’s basis), but New York doesn’t have any leaf-nosed bats, so it may not be based solely on local species. The heart-nosed bat, though quite different-looking, may be part of the inspiration for Woobat’s literal heart nose, and Woobat’s round nose-leaf and sharp incisors are a bit reminiscent of the three species of vampire bats (ironic, since Woobat only eats insects, and Zubat does drink blood but looks more like an insectivorous bat).

Why is this important? Because I dislike the spread of misinformation, and Bulbapedia facts are often parroted by content creators. Additionally, I think it’s important to appreciate bats beyond the popular ones, as they play an essential role in ecosystems, and they’re just generally cute and underrated. What I’m mainly asking for is the ability to correct Woobat’s Bulbapedia page without the edit being reverted, and possibly the deletion or archival of the faulty Bulbanews post about Woobat’s origins. Thank you for your consideration. HopHoppipHarvest (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)