Talk:Milotic (Pokémon)

Korean name

Korean name doesn't appear to be real. All Korean names are based on Japanese names not English ones. The one in this article is a transliteration of English name. So, I think it isn't real. Anyway, were is this from? - Maxim

Wild Milotic

A few years ago, while my Ruby was working okay, I encountered a Milotic at the Weather Institute's route (forgot what it was). Is it a glitch? After so many years, it's hard to remember. Oh, and it was on the grass... Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆ 02:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Milotic is never found in the wild. TTEchidna 03:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It definetely happened...the Ruby was fake! (No surprise in Singapore) Ph34r4ever^{Talk page♊} 02:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Origin

...The Loch Ness Monster? I don't know which is less likely: This or the fact that the Wikipedia article linked to claims that Lapras is based on Nessie. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 19:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It's less likely that Milotic's based off the Loch Ness monster. Milotic resembles more of a sea serpent than ol' Nessie (and Nessie is a dinosaur.) Someone has to reconsider about this information in Trivia. Wikipedia is linked to claims? Now THAT is insanity at its finest. BlueJirachi 01:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ugly Duckling?

It seems to me that Feebas & Milotic are based on the story of the ugly duckling, starting out as something ugly, but turning into something beautiful. I was just wondering if anyone else felt that this should be added as well.--Pmddbzaotil 22:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but there are plenty of things Pokémon can be compared to that aren't notable. Sorry, but I feel this is one of them. Now, if Feebas were based off a duck, I'd feel differently! --ニョロトノ666 22:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Er...

I know it seems weird to suggest that something like it would appear in a game that's aimed at all ages, but could Milotic's name have possibly been based on the word "erotic"? If so, should there be a mention of it? - Celebi96

No, it's not similar at all. Many words end with -tic (exotic, for instance) --Maxim 14:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I know, I was just wondering since Milotic is said to be the "most beautiful" Pokemon. - Celebi96

Beauty =/= eroticism The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 14:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I know that, too. I was only wondering if it were possible since the two concepts are related. - Celebi96

We get it. Topic closed. Never raise this up again. Θρtιmαtum_Talk 14:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Update needed?

On the List_of_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2009 page, it lists that "This Pokémon was available in the United States from May 9 to June 13, 2009." from a Pokémon Event for Platinum. If this is true, shouldn't that be on its page? Silvermoonstar3 00:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Max Beauty

Are we certain Milotic's beauty *has* to be maxed out for it to evolve? My Milotic evolved when it had high beauty, but when I take it to Slateport's fanclub guy, he refuses to give me the Blue Scarf, which he gives you when your Pokemon has a high Beauty rating! So, if my Milotic has to have max Beauty, shouldn't it be high enough to earn the Scarf? Unless I'm missing something, it seems Milotic's Beauty just has to be *high*, not maxed out, to evolve. Drake Clawfang 00:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

This GameFAQs FAQ says 170/200 to evolve and 200/200 for the scarf. Serebii.net says max for Gen III, but Gen IV just has a blue Pokéblock image. So it is possible it changed between generations. Myles ^{(talk - contrib)} 01:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hm, interesting. Well, if it's not needed Maxed in Gen 4, and apparently isn't in Gen 3 based on what I've seen, should we change the wording? Drake Clawfang 01:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, probably. To say 85%. Myles ^{(talk - contrib)} 01:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request

Episode Pokémon Source Entry AG035 Milotic Ash's Pokédex Milotic, the Tender Pokémon. Milotic is able to soften human anger and hatred by emitting soothing frequencies from its body.

Please and thank you! Littlmiget123 16:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

HeartGold/SoulSilver Trivia

I'm always weary of adding trivia, but maybe we should add that this is a pokemon whose pre-evolution form is found in the HG/SS(Feebas, in the Quiet Cave Pokéwalker route) but is still only obtainable by trade(since there are no contests stats on HG/SS)?

I noticed it also happens with Magnezone and Probopass(both evolve in Mount Coronet only). -- Professional Mole (Talk here) 18:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You can actually increase a Pokémon's Beauty stat (even though it's hidden) by getting them groomed by Daisy Oak, so you can get Milotic in HGSS. --AndyPKMN 18:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Platinum Gender Difference

In the article under "Trivia", it says that there are no visible gender differences in Platinum when it's not shiny. But, it still has long "hair" in Platinum. Can I change that? Pawsrent 02:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

No, because the difference it's talking about is "visible only in its shiny form in Platinum: female shiny Milotic have blue eyebrows while males have red ones."

R.A. Hunter Blade 04:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

New Evolution

The beginning of the page says that Milotic evolves from Feebas when traded with a Clean Scale. However, the 5.8 Evolution section only has the Beauty evolution. Any chance we could get a picture in there with the Clean Scale included? --Jdthebud 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. But we don't have a picture of the clean scale yet so I'm just gonna leave it at that.--KayKay|Chat to me! 22:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, we don't want to get rid of the gen I-IV table entirely. Maybe we could make a subsection for each table?--Cold (talk) 22:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

"Clean Scale"

Wouldn't it make more sense to call it the Pretty Scale? It is the "Kireina Uroko", right? Or is that a completely different item. --ケンジのガール 23:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I put the sprite as "Beauty Scale" seeing as it evolves when Beauty is maxed in Gen III/IV. —darklordtrom 05:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

That's even better :D --ケンジのガール 06:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Light screen

Milotic could not learn light screen as TM until gen V right? - unsigned comment from Meearaimeng (talk • contribs)

You are correct. You can find this out by checking its Generation III and IV learnset pages. --SnorlaxMonster 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

"Also melodic is a type of minor scale in music theory."

It says this in the Name Origin. How is this relevant to anything? →ΑΧΧΟΝΝ_fire 23:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Platinum Gender Difference

References to this fact were removed on the grounds of it being a "badly ripped sprite". Um, what? You made it sound like whoever ripped the sprite screwed up, but it's pretty clear just from perusing other websites that you all got the sprites from the same source; other websites show the same error. Are you saying that you stole the sprites from Serebii or Veekun or something? I doubt that. It's not Bulbapedia's fault if the GameFreak artists screwed up. --HeroicJay 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

a:File:Milotic_Shiny_Female_Platinum.png

I'm sorry, what did you say? hfc2X 23:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I do like to see evidence when someone's contradicting the most obvious information around and that suffices. So my argument is retracted. But then the question becomes: why does every Pokemon website around have that mistake? One even had that mistake on a portion of the second frame of the shiny female Milotic sprite (but not all of it, just a portion). Certainly the copying-from-other-websites thing can't be that widespread, can it...? Barring that, it must be something in the game (where, I dunno, it puts part of the male sprite over the female sprite? Or something? *shrug* It would take someone who rips sprites to answer that one.) --HeroicJay 23:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The guy who originally ripped the Female Milotic sprite did just rip the normally colored one, and having done so, the palette was screwed up by asuming the color indexes for the ears and the antenas were the same. He later just applied the shiny palette to the already badly paletted sprite, which resulted in the antenas being recoloured too, when in the game this doesn't happen. The rest is obvious internet copypasta (and, yes, this is the internet, so copypasta is everywhere). hfc2X 23:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I know this is kind of an old discussion, but I just would like to point out that this was actually a real mistake that was in the Japanese version! [1] I'm assuming that the sprite was ripped from the Japanese version when it originally came out, and then the English localization team noticed this mistake and fixed it. So it's not the fault of someone ripping something badly, this was actually a mistake in the original version. Should this be placed in Trivia once more? platinatina (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Name Origin

I'd like to propose that Milotic comes from "lotic", which means "pertaining to or living in flowing water". Lepidus (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

more specifically that lotic refers to river ecosystems, as said in the second paragraph here. I think it is very likely, due to the fact that the venus de MILO is an example of beauty, and as such, milotic's name can be translated as beautiful river. Tryplot (talk) 12:13, 14 May 2014

I'd say to go ahead and add it. Just be careful in your wording or one of us will have to correct it. —TheVeryBest 17:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Core series trivia

I'm going to ask here as it is related to the trivia point that was just edited/reverted. XD is listed on Pokémon games as being in the core series, however on the templates that appear at the bottom of game pages it is listed as a spin off game. Which is correct? ChE clarinetist (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

See core series; also generation (and Pokémon games now). Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Questionable Beauty

Milotic's UltraSun Pokédex Entry: "While Milotic is said to be the most beautiful Pokémon, Trainers who like Feebas and have raised it are seemingly disappointed by Milotic." The other Pokédex entries say that Milotic the most beautiful Pokemon. --GuledKING (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

"Scales change color with viewing angle" effect

I've been meaning to propose this for a long time. Even though the article says there has been no depiction of this, there is in fact one and only game in which this was depicted, Pokemon Battle Revolution, as can be seen from the image here, [2] (PBR videos can be looked up on Youtube for more proof). The reason I have delayed proposing this is that I needed to verify it. I was able to dump the textures from the game not so long ago, and found out there is indeed a rainbow gradient texture used for Milotic's tail. I hope now this is clear, this can be edited in the main article. Remiccino (talk) 10:24, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Japanese name origin of "miro"

Kalos is already explained in the article to be derived from Greek to mean beautiful, and I believe "miro" is a reference to the Ancient Greek "myros" (μῦρος), meaning sea eel, or male moray (eel).

The phonetic transcription of ῦ (upsilon with perispomenon) seems to be y. In whatever way it was originally pronounced in Ancient Greek, upsilon went through "iotacism" so the "y" in myros seems to sound either like "ee" in "meet" or "ew" in "few".

If you put μῦρος into Google Translate and click the speaker icon to pronounce the word, the tool will say "mee-ros".

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=el&tl=en&text=%CE%BC%E1%BF%A6%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82

ミロ (miro) from ミロカロス is pronounced with a similar sound.

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=ja&tl=en&text=%E3%83%9F%E3%83%AD

There is a family of fish called Ophichthidae, commonly called snake eels. Within the family, there are two genera called Myrophis and Myrichthys. The "myr" in both names is a reference to myros

I think with Milotic having a cylindrical body like a serpent, myros being contextualized to a taxonomic rank basically called snake/serpent-fish, and kalos/kaross also being derived from Greek, I think there is plenty of relevance to make the theory of miro/ミロ being derived from Ancient Greek myros plausible.

I think "eel that is beautiful" from myros + kalos is a more apt of Milotic than the Venus de Milo theory.

What do yo think?

--Easyname (talk) 02:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Remove "as shown in the anime" from "it can move by floating in the air"

Following the release of Sword and Shield, it can be seen in Pokémon Camp how the Pokémon actually uses its walking and running animations. Milotic is depicted to be floating when in motion; however, it also can land onto the ground at will, with transition animations between floating and landing on the ground, similar to how Flying Pokémon are treated. This is different from typical fish/aquatic Pokémon that only float magically instead of swimming.

Thus, the anime is not the only major canonical medium to portray this anymore; we already have a core series games that does this. (Before this, Pokémon Battle Revolution did show Milotic floating in this way, but it was dismissed because of being a side game.) I suggest either removing "in the anime" from the relevant text, or adding Sword and Shield to the text otherwise. --Remiccino (talk) 10:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)