Bulbapedia talk:Project CharacterDex/Archive 1

Can I join

Can I join?-Meekio ---Ugegegegegegegegegege 11:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

May I join? (Seeing as most of my knowledge falls in the Games category.) Tina^☆♥♫δ 18:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to ask, as it would be my pleasure. TheEspeonMaster

Hmm..."Espeon360 (THE BIG CHEESE!)"? O_O -うずまき ハルカ 20:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Can I join it? I don't like the anime very much, I love the games though!. (I'm usually glued to the computer or my DS Lite) --- unsigned comment from Stinkoman (talk • contribs)

I think I'm able to allow you in. If I can allow you, you're in. Netto-kun 14:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No need to ask, just join! TheEspeonMaster .::. 17:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to ask for permission to join any project. We want people to help out however they can. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 02:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Yellow Trainer Sprites

There is an extremely lack of Yellow non-species sprites both in the archives and in usage throughout the Internet. As I searched google, I could not find one site with the unique Yellow Trainer sprites. That being said, I have whipped back out my Yellow ROM and am capturing Trainer sprites, removing backgrounds with Pixen, and saving them as PNGs to upload onto Archives so that we can have the Yellow Trainers. For example, Brock looks different in Yellow than in RGB, GSC, or FRLG (though the second two sets are a bit obvious). The GSC Red and GSC Blue sprites are based upon the Yellow sprites, but the colours are different. Jessie and James are ONLY in Yellow. These sprites should be here, but they're not. So I'm taking the liberty of joining Project CharacterDex to sprite out Yellow's trainers. Satosuke 19:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Join?

I hope I can help and join this project.if so, contact my talk page.

As been reiterated already, you don't need to ask to join this project. If you are willing to contribute, simply add your name to the bottom of the list in the project page and start helping! :D

Also, please, in the future sign your comments off by adding four tildes (~~~~) to the end, or we won't know who you are.

-–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 06:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Can I please join this project? I need to join a project to regain my userspace editing freedom. Contact my talk page. dohe7tyorey0[9wru09uew0uqp 07:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)Hikari10 18:51, 12 March 2011 (AEDT)

You do not need to ask to join. Simply add your name to the list. --SnorlaxMonster 08:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Guide for Character Articles

I suggest there should be some sort of guide on the project page on how to write, order and format Character articles to keep them all looking neat and consistent. I've noticed a lot of the articles I've edited, that the Headings are often not all in the same order: sometimes "In the animes" is before "In the games", otherwise after; or Names is put subheading under Trivia... I can never tell what is correct. However, if there already is an existing guide somewhere, please tell me where.

-–<×vVvv_v τ^λικ _to ς1^tHςι_4γ3r ^^vVv×>–- 06:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Can I join

I would like to join your project,Please.(dumdum king 19:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC))

Um...

You can't really have this template on a talk page for reasons shown below--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu! 05:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

• anyone who adds a new section will add it onto empty space
• Templates are hard to maintain on talk pages

Two questions: content order and missing character

So I was browsing Team Magma and Aqua character articles, and I see that Maxie's headers go Game, then Anime, and Archie's go Anime, then Game. Maxie's seemed far more appeasing with that order, so I wound up switching Archie's headers, and I think it's better for it. So why /isn't/ the default that Games come before Anime?

Sure, the old argument is "people are looking for the anime sections first" but I don't think that's true. Nor calculable. In some cases, where the templates for the game characters get incredibly out of hand (rivals), it's easier to put the anime section on top; otherwise, it would get lost among the tables and load-time. Except load-time won't make a difference: either you're stuck waiting for it to load so you can scroll twice/thrice, or hit END and scroll up a few times, so it's also not about lag.

I do think game characters (for those that can) should have their game biographies before their anime one. It's the natural order, in most cases. Games precede anime, and both precede manga.

Also, didn't we have an article for the "tip giver" guy found in every gym? I swore we did. Was it deleted? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 03:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've always wondered that. For game characters who appear in the anime, they appeared in the game first, so we should put it that way in the article. And that guy is called the caretaker. He has an article. It's not quite orphaned, but not many pages link to it. — THE TROM — 03:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

For the headers, it doesn't really matter what order. Just that they're all the same. But Psy has the last say in this, not me. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking over MY job for this guys. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 03:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome. That's why I said you have the last say. :D R.A. Hunter Blade 03:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

After two edit conflicts, my say. Personally, it honestly doesn't matter to me. But if it has to be consistent with all other pages, I'd go with anime, games, and manga like it is already. But for cases of rivals or anything with long sections, I'd put anime before the games. However, they'd also have to be consistent, so rivals or other pages with long sections get that treatment only. All other pages, I'd say anime, games and manga if applicable. If someone complains about it, I'll try to compromise. Plus there's a navigation bar for sections long sections like that so if they're not happy they can use that. They'd be better and more helpful for that. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 03:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Join

Can I join? I think my brother started this project... --DragonMaster 13:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No one needs to ask to join any Bulbapedia project. Go right ahead. —darklordtrom 19:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Appearances

Should we add a list of apearances for anime, manga and games? Just to know when they appeared. We could do it in a box. And at the top of the box we could do a category (anime, pokespe, games ETC). So what do you think? Lunick v sonela 11:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

About some of the Gym Leader's Pokemon . . .

It has been bugging me that some of the abilities of Gym Leader's are "Unknown". Well this is just a suggestion. For people who can, their is an Action Replay code that can make it so you can steal other people's Pokémon (I can't do it because mine doesn't work). What someone can do is steal a Gym Leader's Pokémon that doesn't have a known ability on Bulbapedia and figure it out that way.

WARNING: SOME GLITCHES MAY OCCUR AND IF YOUR DS, GAME, OR ACTION REPLAY BREAKS I CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR I HAVE GIVEN YOU THIS WARNING. IF NOBODY CAN DO THIS IT IS ONLY A SUGGESTION ON HOW TO FIGURE OUT THE ABILTIES. THANK YOU

-- Landfish⁷ 23:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep. I already do that. But if you could tell me the ones that are still missing other than HGSS, that'd be nice. --Psy_ライダー☮ 23:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, please. Why resort to stealing? An easier way to do this would be to hack a Master Ball into your pocket, then set a wild encounter code for Porygon and a level modifier code for something high, then catch the first Porygon you see that has Trace. Catch yourself a few low-level sacrificial lambs you can use to repeat Trace with every Pokémon. Do this with each and every one of the gym leaders. --Shiningpikablu252 02:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's the less fun way to do things. And even so using your strategy which still involves cheating, I'd like to know what set of them are still not known. --Psy_ライダー☮ 20:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Instead of me finding out which one's are uknown, YOU can. Go to each Gym Leader's page and see which one has an ability that says Unknown. Then if you don't know how to enter the abilty's name into the coding just make a subpage on your userpsace called "User:PsychicRider/MissingAbilties" or something similar and we'll check it out and put it in ourselves. :) -- Landfish⁷ 22:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Why did you come here to tell us this, if you you weren't going to at least tell us where you saw them which made you come to us, to help us out. I got it, Lazyfish. Don't worry about it. I'll find it for you, so I can make your life easier. --Psy_ライダー☮ 19:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

o_O . . . I . . . I didn't mean to sound offending. My Action Replay currently won't function so I couldn't do this. So I decided to get help from other people in the Bulbapedia community. I understand now that you wanted ME to do find which ones are missing so it could be a team job. For your convenience I'll make a subpage called User:Landfish7/MissingAbilities and make a checklist for what needs to be figured out. Again sorry for offending you in any way, shape, or form. :( -- Landfish⁷ 19:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Awkward~ Mostly cause I noticed this like 17 days after you made the post, it's fine. I just figured you had seen one and it remind you of this so you came here to tell me us so we could fix it, that's all. And I found the ones that were missing. Trainer's Abra and evos always have Synchronize, and Rhyhorn wasn't that hard. --Psy_ライダー☮ 00:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Trainer Classes in General

OK, this might be a stupid question, but on some pages I'm always seeing that the only trainer list are on FireRed/LeafGreen. Why not the other games?--The Bulb's Master 00:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Because people haven't put up the templates yet...--Psy_ライダー☮ 01:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Joining Project

Aloha. I'm a huge fan of the anime and would love to help make the characters here better. All I'm asking is, may I join this project? ~ Master of Illusion: Z ^{User page} 14:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyone is welcome to join, just put your name on in the list of members. :D. --Psy_ライダー☮ 15:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Gym Leader intros

A user has recently been rephrasing the intro sections of the Gym Leader articles. Here is an example. I personally prefer the old structure, but what does Project CharacterDex think? --SnorlaxMonster 13:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Allow me to explain myself. An original intro is phrased like this: (Japanese: カミツレ Kamitsure) is the Gym Leader of Raimon City's Gym, known officially as the Raimon Gym. She specializes in Electric-type Pokémon. She gives the Bolt Badge to Trainers who defeat her.

THAT IS BAD, BAD, BAD! Saying "_______ is the Gym Leader of _______ City/Town/Village's Gym" is EXTREMELY redundant. No one really cares what the Gym is officially called to begin with, as well, again a redundant and irrelevant thing to state. If it must be included in the intros, it should at least show where the player can find him/her, something I attempted with MY versions of the intros. Stating the tpye the Leader uses is necessary, and so is the Badge they give. Stating these as two separate sentences sounds FAR too choppy to me, hence I combined them into one. In a perfect world, I'd like to state the EXACT rewards you get (badge + TM), but these vary by game, so I'll live with just stating the badge.

Here is how I'd state the above intro, as I had done originally on the Kamitsure page I took this particular example of the old version from: Kamitsure is the Raimon City Gym Leader. Players may battle her in the Raimon Gym. Kamitsure specializes in Electric-type Pokémon, and she gives anyone who defeats her a Bolt Badge.

This shorter, cleaner-sounding intro still states everything as the original intro did, but it's less wordy and isn't packed with so much irrelevant information. I also used the terminology usually used in the games and even in the anime, saying "Kamitsure, the Raimon City Gym Leader", rather than "Kamitsure, the Gym Leader of Raimon City's Gym".

I apologize to everyone for any difficulties I have caused. I'm just trying to do, as we all are, the best for the Wiki. And if we truly want to be the best, we won't accept the poor, redundant, irrelevance of the old intros. If, for some reason, we decide to stick with the old intros (why is everyone against change?), then here is a list of pages I've changed with the new intros, excluding Kamitsure, which has been reverted (>_>):

• Brock
• Misty
• Lt. Surge
• Erika
• Koga
• Janine
• Sabrina
• Blaine
• Giovanni
• Blue
• Falkner

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience and any rude behavior I may have demonstrated in this process. I really want to be a strong contributor to this community, and forgive me if I started off with far too large of a leap to do so. - The Pokémon Master 20:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I prefer the new version. —darklordtrom 20:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I like the new version too. When you think about it, the old version is actually redundant...Ataro 20:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I now do see problems with the old version, but I still think the new version could use some improvements. It should either link to the Gym name or not mention it at all, and if it stays should share a sentence with the first line. And "anyone who defeats him" sounds quite strange, I would prefer Trainers be used here.

Current:
Lt. Surge (Japanese: マチス Matis) is the Vermillion City Gym Leader. Trainers may challenge him in the Vermillion Gym. Lt. Surge specializes in Electric-type Pokémon, and he gives anyone who defeats him a Thunder Badge.

Suggestion:
Lt. Surge (Japanese: マチス Matis) is the Vermilion City Gym Leader, thus the leader of the Vermilion Gym. Lt. Surge specializes in Electric-type Pokémon and gives the Thunder Badge to Trainers who defeat him. --SnorlaxMonster 08:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

A link to the Gym portion is necessary; omitting that from the top of the page is a grave mistake. And it would definitely be "Trainers who". Though imo, a better way to say the last line would be "...and he gives those who defeat him a Thunder Badge." Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Saying "thus the leader of the Vermillion Gym" makes it VERY redundant. Stating the player may find him there in another sentence fixes that. There's nothing wrong with the phrasing of the last sentence in the new version I created. A NOTE TO EVERYONE, SINCE THIS ERROR IS COMMON ON MANY PAGES, NOT JUST GYM LEADERS: Only add a comma to join two facts if there is something that makes it a full sentence all ready as a part of what you're combining. Say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and he gives anyone who defeats him (which is true) a Thunder Badge." NEVER say "He uses Electric-type Pokémon, and gives anyone who defeats him a Thunder Badge." I know several users are going to continue to fight for the old intros and their survival. Anyone who wants to follow the Wiki's mission statement, however, would read my previous explanation as to why I changed the intros in the first place and see that I'm actually correct in changing them. - The Pokémon Master 20:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

While you are correct that it is redundant stating he is the leader of the city then stating the name of the gym, making it two sentences does not fix this. Two sentences is just as bad (and probably worse) than one. You are correct that the comma shouldn't be there, I missed that. If you dislike 'Trainers', 'those' is also a viable option. 'Anyone' infers that it is a common event, whereas 'Trainers' bears no such inference; 'those' has a slightly infers that it is an uncommon event. Even if you decide to keep the first two sentences your way, you need to include a link to the Gym if you are going to name it, and badges need to use 'the', not 'a' or 'an'. --SnorlaxMonster 14:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hello. I'm quite new to this website, and a question dawned on me;

Do characters have their eye color and hair color included in the character template? I've seem some with the description, and some without. What is the correct format for this? Voldelalune (Talk) 23:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

As in for all characters or for coding? Characters with identifiable eye/hair color should have them on. And I forget the coding, but it can be copied and pasted D;. --P S Y_ライダー☮ 23:21, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I could easily figure out the coding. I just didn't know if the actual information should be placed. I do now. :) Voldelalune (Talk) 20:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Templates

Hello! If an user makes an article about a character but haven't joined the Project CharacterDex yet, should the Project's article template be pasted at the end of the page, or must it be approved by the Project first? |) u |( e 23:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, project notice should be pasted at the end of the page, even if you're not a participant of that project. -- ✔Poké.geek™✔ 23:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Poké.geek! I presume this also applies to Project Manga. Placed it in the blind boy article. |) u |( e 23:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Characters quotes in Pokémon Conquest (and similar pages)

I was thinking that the quotes in the different pages for the Pokémon Conquest characters can be split in to two sections. The 1st one is story quotes, where quotes from story events are placed, and the 2nd is other quotes, where everything that is not story related is put, like when the user attacks another Pokémon for example. This is manly for Characters who has a lot of story text in game (especially, but not only, Nobunaga).TrainerX493 (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, so I thought about it a bit more and believe this should be 4 parts:

1. Story quotes, where all story text goes.
2. Battle quotes, where all text from declaring an attack to after the battle will go.
3. Monthly quotes, where text used at the very start of the month goes, like when thives atack or when the fireworks are used.
4. Delegation quotes, where text for using a facility or when being delegated is put.

Names can be changed as needed, but this should cover all the characters quotes in the game (even wifi events)TrainerX493 (talk) 10:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I Want To Be Part of this Project

I want to be a part of this project. I don't know where to start, but I'd be glad to help. WATERWarrior67 08:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

How can I join a project

Some one help me. I need to know how to join a project- Rwithik (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Side series vs Spin off games

I'm seeing a lot of pages around here (including but not restricted to the CharacterDex) use Side Series and Spin off games interchangeably, while others (e.g. Giovanni) have two separate sections for each. Is there any explanation or standard convention for this? TehPerson (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Character descriptions

Apparently, only descriptions of Pokemon species are included, but not human characters outside of hair and eye color, and "List of clothing in the anime", which only lists clothing worn by the main characters in the anime, but not recurring characters or other characters in different media (like games and manga). The Pokemon Wiki lists descriptions for human characters, but not Bulbapedia. - unsigned comment from Jjliang (talk • contribs)

We have biology which is meant to go more indepth then just explanation of the appearance. --Spriteit (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Goal for March

A suggestion for the goal for March is to make quote subpages for all the characters that do not have them.--MissDelibirda (talk) 11:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Scope and aims description

"Project CharacterDex aims to write and improve comprehensive on characters from games. " is missing the word "articles". It should say:

"Project CharacterDex aims to write and improve comprehensive articles on characters from games." Landfish7 04:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal

We need to do sumfin' about how inconsistently character sections are done for character articles. For Adventures characters, they are their own section, which are topmost, anime characters have them as sub sections for the "In the anime" sections, and come after History. The character sections for Pokémon characters are also called "Personality and chracteristics" for some reason. As for game characters...they mostly don't have personality descriptions. And IF they exist, they are grouped together, and are often intergrated with, history sections, and I see plenty of short descriptions which are copied and pasted from the official sites, like on Arezu. All this needs to change ASAP.

I propose that we follow the lead of the Adventures pages and put the character section topmost for all character pages. Character sections for game characters also need to be made, which I have started workin' on here: User:MissDelibirda/Personality_sections_for_game_characters Dedicated sections for manga and anime versions on game character pages are probably redundant unless the differences are large. We also probaby don't need character sections for ALL characters just yet, but we can start with the ones that are the most important to the stories. Additionally, I propose that all character sections are renamed to "Personality and traits", since it is more inclusive for things like Mai being described as strong in her concept art and stuff.--MissDelibirda (talk) 10:29, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Bumping this.--MissDelibirda (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Adventures characters only have character (and history and party) as top level headers because they're not in other mediums. Same for anime-only characters. glik^glak 22:48, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Very well, then. MissDelibirda (talk) 23:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I still need response on the other things. - unsigned comment from MissDelibirda (talk • contribs)

Adding character sections to game characters I think is fine, don't have any strong opinions on a uniform name. glik^glak 23:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Detangling notability requirements

So this is the first part of a two part improvement project I hope to try to be pushing forward with soon with the community. The first is when Pokémon are significant enough to be given their own page independent of their Trainer. The second is when it is reasonable to divorce a Trainer's page into independent pages instead of a section, but that is something I would like to cover at a later date.

I would also like to indicate that I have tried to keep this as free from my own personal bias as possible, despite my own feelings on the matter. However as a note, responses to questions will be my personal opinions on matters.

The Problem

There's been a non-insignificant push back and forth between staff and users as to when Pokémon should be considered notable. Among the arguments presented by both sides are that we tend to have a very anime-centric view in these cases, the pages don't actually add any extra information other then what is already presented on the Trainer page, and just because a Pokémon is seen with it's Trainer that doesn't mean it is actually doing anything of note.

For reference here is a summary of our current (relevant) notability guides

For anime:

- Main character Pokémon are notable if they appear more then once (with a brief amendment for Goh given his journey)

- Rivals and recurring characters may only have signature Pokémon articles unless there is another Pokémon of particular note

- Gym Leaders may have an article on their signature but only if it did more then battle.

For manga these are a bit messier due to the dependence on when and how they are appear but generally:

- Requires significant impact and reappearances

- Starter Pokémon of the main characters

The current situation

Now looking at the pages for mainspacing, a lot of draft articles currently caught up are "signature" Pokémon of Leaders, Elites and Rivals, or Pokémon that appeared multiple times throughout series that belonged to Rival Trainers but didn't do a lot outside of battling. Occasionally you also get Gym Leader secondary Pokémon here too.

Defining signature Pokémon is something the series has been a lot better at doing for these Gym Leaders recently, however historically there will be some issues where we have the Gen 1 issue (lots of appearances across media, different representations) or where pre-evolutions are the primary Pokémon over final evolutions, Erika is one such example. We also have some cases where the signature Pokémon can flux between media types. Which is where thankfully, Pokémon Masters has been coming in use lately since it seems to be helping us pin point some of these mystery cases. There's also the Gotcha music video and another (albeit older) source we can sometimes use for these is the Adventures art for the key Trainers.

Working towards a solution

I want to talk about media agnostic views of the franchise, or trying to push for a more wholistic view of pages.

Although I won't linger too long on this point, unfortunately only one section can be the top section and their is frequent disagreement on what that section should be between users, staff and viewers. There are projects in the works to try and work out ways to change that. However, in the interim and to help us start this conversation there are three main categories of appearances for the most part that the staff have identified.

Story - Usually Animated and Manga series, occasionally can include Games (think AZ's Floette or Jasmine's Ampharos).

Data - Primarily this is seen with the games. Think things like Party Pokémon data, Master's links, Contest Data, and side game appearances.

Visual - This is where the appearance is primarily in a visual medium on the page, think things like TCG appearances and Merchandise. This can also occasionally involve other mediums especially in blink and you'll miss it appearances, such as Gotcha.

Using these guidelines if we set a minimum amount of appearances between these three areas, we could potentially develop new guidelines that should see us able to have more Pokémon with pages that have been identified as important by the community, as well as help build a stronger Bulbapedia. --Spriteit (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)