Talk:Game move errors

Bonsly

Er, should we really include Bonsly just because it's using a move one generation before its (Bonsly's, I mean) official debut? On that note, there's a Machamp in one of the Battle CDs that can use Swords Dance. I'll try to find more details. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 13:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, including Bonsly's Rock Slide is comparable to adding every move used by Harrison's Blaziken/Kecleon, May's Munchlax, James's Mime Jr. and Brock's Bonsly and the others here.--電禅Den Zen 13:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Completely agree. Bonsly can learn Rock Slide after it is available in-game. --SnorlaxMonster 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Moves at the wrong level

Should we list moves that Pokémon can learn, but cannot know at their level? For example, a user recently added Winona's Altaria for Dragon Dance. If we do, they should certainly be in a separate section to the rest of them, like the illegal combinations are. --SnorlaxMonster 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I've moved Altaria to its own section, are there any others that need added? XVuvuzela2010X 19:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Guardian Signs skills

I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --SnorlaxMonster 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

A little late, but I agree. For all we know, they are simply using Fling, or even just throwing them without any sort of attack being involved. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 02:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I got rid of the "rock throw", but I think Bronzor using Teleport should stay, I don't think there is a difference between Teleport and 'teleporting'. IMO, it would be the same as saying, for example, the Bellsprout in DP134 is just absorbing the foe's energy, instead of using Absorb. XVuvuzela2010X 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Mainspace?

Is there any reason why this page should not yet be mainspaced? It looks all right to me. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 00:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Goldeen's Splash in Smash Bros?

In the Smash Bros series, Goldeen used Splash when sent out, despite being unable to learn that move by any means. Should it be added? Berrenta (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Rayquaza's Dig

In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Rayquaza attacks by using Dig, which it can't learn in the games. - unsigned comment from Squirtle drink (talk • contribs)

Just checked the appropriate pages to make sure, and it looks like a move error to me. Will add it. Berrenta (talk) 14:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon Stadium 2 Problems

I haven't played Stadium 2 in ages so I could be wrong but I think that there are mistakes in the raichu and the exeggutor. I believe that if you beat round 2 mode of Stadium 2 and brought pikachu with you in each battle, it rewarded you by letting you teach it surf. If that is the case then it would be possible to have a raichu with an egg move and surf. I also think that you could use TMs from RBY on a pokémon in a GSC game if you went to that place that you could move boxes and items around. I'm less sure on that one though because it was long before I bred for egg moves so I could be completely off base there. O76923 (talk) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Reversal and AncientPower were introduced in Generation II, so you can't trade Pokémon that know them to Generation I games.--電禅Den Zen 09:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sidney's Shiftry

It is level 48 and knows Extrasensory which Nuzleaf doesn't normally learn until level 49. - unsigned comment from Gatogirl (talk • contribs)

After checking, I am able to confirm that it should not learn it that early. Also, since Seedot cannot learn it by breeding, I added it to the list. Thanks for catching that. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me ask you a question. Why didn't you add it yourself? I will admit that sometimes I bring something up in the discussion pages if I'm about to add something that's questionable. But since you know for a fact that's true and worthy, I don't see how you couldn't add it yourself. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Bruno's Exeggutor

Could we reword the sentence for Bruno's Exeggutor so it says it couldn't learn both AncientPower and Explosion simultaneously at the time, because since Gen III it's been possible to have an Exeggutor that legally knows both those moves. --Reli★ジーランス? 12:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Gen VI illegal move?

I noticed on Battle Chatelaine Evelyn's page, that her Entei knows Sacred Fire. If I have seen it correctly, shouldn't Ho-Oh be the only one with this move or do we have to wait to tell for this one? Frozen Fennec 02:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Since Entei is not currently available in Generation VI, we actually don't know if it can learn Sacred Fire. Until Poké Transporter is released, I think it is best to give the game the benefit of the doubt. --SnorlaxMonster 02:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Seeing as Pokémon Bank was released today, I guess we'll see soon enough if it's an illegal move eh? :P Frozen Fennec 19:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

It's been known for almost a day that Entei can now learn it.--電禅Den Zen 19:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought it came out today, didn't know. Sorry. Frozen Fennec 20:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Entei

In that image of Bryce's Piloswine using Fury Attack, that's Entei on the defence isn't it? It doesn't match the G2 sprites given on Entei's page, but it sure looks like Entei's G3 backsprites. Did it have a different back sprite in Crystal that Entei's page doesn't have on record? Bug Catcher Wade 08:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's its Crystal sprite. We are currently working on to update the sprite template so that it can have all the sprites.--電禅Den Zen 09:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Victory Road Flygon

In Pokémon Black/White 2, I might get the level wrong, but you have to trust me. I fought a Flygon in Victory Road that hit my Flygon with Dragon Claw at level 54, despite learning it at level 55.

He might have taught it via TM, but I'm just peeved off he beat up my Flygon that was the SAME EXACT LEVEL with a move that he doesn't learn naturally at the level. SuperLuigi9624 (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not unusual at all for regular trainers to use TM moves, even if they'd be part of a learnset at a later level. It's otherwise not worth putting in this article. Chicobo329 (talk) 03:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Really now? I never noticed any out-of-the-blue TM moves. Probably because I'm always so overleveled and one-shot them. But, isn't the TM for that located at Dragonspiral Tower? It's out of place. But I'm still angry at that trainer. SuperLuigi9624 (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

TM02 is in Victory Road in BW. --Jdthebud (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Never mind, I mistook your game for BW when it was BW2. --Jdthebud (talk) 09:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Fairy Wind Gardevoir

Should it be in this article since they probably changed it before they released the game. Ellis99 (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

They did, but I still think it is interesting to note. --SnorlaxMonster 08:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Rumble World

Since the Froakie and Togepi were, in fact, gifts, should their moves be considered event moves in the vein of 15th Anniversary Rayquaza's V-create and Shiny Entei's Flare Blitz? - Chosen of Mana 13:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The main difference is that the event Pokémon were distributed for the main games with the move in question. As for the Gift Froakie and Togepi, it's best if we don't list their illegal moves as event moves; that could create confusion. Berrenta (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Winstrate Vicky's Meditite and Norman's Linoone

It is level 18 and knows Hi Jump Kick which Meditite doesn't normally learn until level 32 in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. Is a move at the wrong level? In Pokémon Colosseum is one of its purified moves. NeoCrimson 04:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

It's possible to breed a Meditite with Hi Jump Kick (so hatching at level 5 in Gen III) if both parents know it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I see. And about Norman's Linoone in Emerald? Zigzagoon cannot learn Slash. NeoCrimson 03:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

That would be an example. I've added it to the page. --SnorlaxMonster 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

On Aerodactyl and Dragonite

Shouldn't they be a former error? Other error pages have former error sections, so... Trainer Yusuf (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Unless an old game is updated (not talking about remakes), it is not possible for an error to become a "former" error like it may for the anime, manga, or TCG. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

As the page stands, we do list if a move became (or formerly was) learnable by the Pokémon, but the error is still in the game where it is impossible, so it stays in the errors section. --Abcboy (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Moltres's Leer Error Status

It doesn't seem like Leer Moltres should be listed on this page. In Japan, "Leer Moltres" has become an internet meme of sorts, lamenting Moltres for learning the move in Gen I at the same level Articuno learns Blizzard and Zapdos learns Thunder. Considering the PWT download tournament gave Moltres the move deliberately to reference this, does it really qualify as an "error"? Desupisaro (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

It would as a player cannot own a Moltres with the move in that Generation legally. --Super goku (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Nobody mentioned Blissey with Reflect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKwfi-3Tss

Although Chansey can in RBY, there's no way for Blissey to have it in XD. I'd add it myself, but I'm afraid of breaking the table. Unowninator (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, so I thought that area was just gray because it was highlighting the change. I was wrong. I'll try to fix that now. Also, I tried to upload this image, but it wouldn't let me. [1] Unowninator (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Never mind; Cold beat me to it. Unowninator (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Section naming

Just to say that somewhere, I chose "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in-game" over "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in the core games" because that can be read as "(Pokémon with unobtainable movesets) in the core games" instead of "Pokémon with (unobtainable movesets in the core games)", which frankly was what I initially did. And I chose "Single unobtainable moves" down at the spin offs because I'd like to avoid a list under a non-bottom layer headline, and because that is consistent to the section above. I'm ok with the current state as well. (And I agree it's iffy to strictly bind spin-offs by core games, but that's another discussion I guess). Nescientist (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

As for the former part, I don't think there's really much difference. Either way, "in the core games" is a very essential part of it.

I don't know if the latter part really has any easy solution (maybe there could be something, but not what it was, at least), but we already do pretty much exactly that often/prominently enough elsewhere... Witness Game locations and In side games/etc. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

For the difference, well, if it's "core games" as in "core series", Bandana Guy Noxy's Lotad, for example, is in line with the second reading from above but not the first one.

I just didn't intend "single moves" to be "at most one per poke" necessarily, so that's my solution :P I can't think of anything else, and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I wasn't writing here anyway. Nescientist (talk) 18:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Colo/XD/etc, I think I'm just going to cop out by saying, obviously they're in there (and meant to be), so take that interpretation. If I weren't a lazy sort most of the time, I might try to fix the section title to explicitly account for both; but at the same time, trying to do anything like that gets clunky too. Trade-offs. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, imma stop throwing interpretations at you, I just wanted you (or anyone) to at least trade off against known info. (Also, one of the wisest trade-offs of all time. All time.) Nescientist (talk) 19:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Generation I exclusive TM's and moves for Pokemon that can't use them elsewhere

Hi. I wanted to know if there was a list anywhere of Pokemon moves that can only be taught in generation I via TM that cannot be taught in any other generation or game since Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow have now been re-released and can be transferred via Pokemon Box. I want to use all my Pokemon Red TM's on Pokemon that can no longer use the moves anywhere else, like Skull Bash on Pikachu and Teleport on Mewtwo. Is there anywhere on this site I can find those out in one place? Is there a way to add that onto this page? Thank you.

Mcheetah (talk) 01:50, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Just look at the Reflect page (a lot of Pokemon only get it in gen 1 for some reason), and then TM#List of TMs. Unowninator (talk) 02:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

That's far too specific to have a single page on, just go to the individual Pokémon and move pages to find them.--ForceFire 03:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Shell Smash Kommo-o

It is a fairly notorious oddity in the Battle Tree, so it should be listed. Trainer Yusuf (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Similarly, apparently there was a Shuckle with Stockpile who also got fixed with the patch. [2] Trainer Yusuf (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Smash Bros. Pikachu and Mewtwo

The section about Pikachu and Mewtwo in Smash should probably be removed or altered seeing as the gen 1 rereleases mean that Skull Bash Pikachu and Teleport Mewtwo are once again possible in the main games.

Related to the move reminder

Since the move reminder can teach pokemon any level up move at any level, shouldn't there be a note at the beginning of the moves known at an early level section that says something like: "Unless specified otherwise, all of the errors listed are fixed in Generation VII due to the move learner being able to teach moves the Pokémon would learn at higher levels." CoolMan6001 (talk) 01:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I think the current method of noting it individually for each case is better, personally. --SnorlaxMonster 12:41, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

PI Carlos's Goldeen

Goldeen can know horn drill in Generation 4 (from breeding) regardless of its level, so why is PI Carlos's Goldeen on this page? sumwun (talk) 20:42, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Camper Branden of Route 111

A user added a trivium to the Hoenn Route 111 page that Camper Branden's Nuzleaf has Earthquake. I haven't confirmed it so I don't want to add it myself, but just noting it here so that someone can confirm and add it here. --SnorlaxMonster 06:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)A

Move

It is not known if these movesets are errors or simply the developers not intending consistency. I think it should be moved to Impossible NPC movesets, or if this is confusing, then something on that line. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

For Pokemon Quest, do I need to include the evolved forms too?

What I mean is, in this example, Caterpie can have Take Down in Quest. If I evolve it into Metapod, it becomes a Metapod with Take Down. Should I include Metapod too? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

No, since the Metapod didn't learn it. That, and I think it would be common sense to think that if its pre-evolution can learn the move, its evolutions can also use it (if the move is not replaced).--ForceFire 03:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Squirtle

https://old.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/8pvekb/gamefreak_you_never_cease_to_amaze_me/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960099-pokemon-heartgold-version/54403488 Muur1234 (talk) 23:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Added this to the page, thank you. Frozen Fennec 23:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense under "Unobtainable until a later game in the generation". That means that it would be able to get Curse in gen 4 but it doesn't get it till gen 7? shouldn't it be under "Unobtainable for the generation"? cuz you can't have a Squritle with Curse in gen 4 - unsigned comment from Muur1234 (talk • contribs)

Sorry about that, moved it. Also, please make sure to sign your talk page comments with ~~~~ Thank you. :) Frozen Fennec 23:32, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Should we include Pikachu Libre w/ Volt Tackle? (Smash)

Pikachu Libre's going to be a palette swap in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, with its Final Smash as Volt Tackle. Should we include it in the list? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Acrobatics Thundurus

In the recently released promo video about Tornadus and Thundurus, Thundurus is shown using Acrobatics at 1:42, but it can't learn it. Should I add it to Errors in Promotional Material?

CoolMan6001 (talk) 19:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Warp Lets Go

https://old.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/9zqgpa/i_found_an_interesting_illegal_move_combo_by_the/ Roserade57 (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Dribur hydro pump sword shield

https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/1255034405489434629 Roserade57 (talk) 01:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Battle e Error

I noticed that within the Battle e Series 1 Iron Defense Card Pack, Lady Hillary's Houndoom has Trick, which is illegal. I don't know if it counts since it was for the e-Reader, but the BW Downloadable Tournament was added to the list, so maybe? Just double check if Houndoom can't get Trick (the Trick page says it can't), and put it in (I'm having trouble with that). Maybe also check the other e-Reader pages to see if there are any more errors. Quzergirl (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Morimonto's Flareon in BDSP has Superpower. Error?

Morimonto's Flareon in BDSP has Superpower, but it can't learn it without a transfer, which is currently impossible. Does this count as an error? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

This seems like a fairly similar case to Lysandre's Gyarados's Iron Head, which is already noted on the page. I would suggest including it in the "Unobtainable until a later game in the generation" section (although perhaps that section could be renamed to be more precise, like "Unobtainable at the game's release"). --SnorlaxMonster 09:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Return in BDSP Trailer

In the BDSP trailer, you can see one of the contest competitors using a Pikachu with Return, even though return was removed in Gen 8 and can't be used. https://youtu.be/Ds-q9mQXDdY?t=442 Should this be added under promotional materials or unusable moves? 19secondrespawntimes (talk) 21:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Because the error doesn't exist in the game itself, it would go in the promotional materials section. bwburke94 (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Text redundancy

Per this forum post, we should remove redundant text like "this Pokémon cannot legitimately learn that move". What do you think? --Bfdifan2006 16:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll cut down on some of the redundancy. bwburke94 (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Illegal Gengar

Someone in Pocket Monsters Stadium has a Gengar with Hydro Pump and Transform, though it can't learn these move legally. TogekissFan4956 (talk) 15:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Rotom

In Sun and Moon, there was a Rotom Fan that knew Blizzard and A Rotom Frost that knew Air Slash. They were fixed in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, but I feel like this should be included. Power-Point Panpour (talk) 17:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Do you know exactly where they were? Were they random trainers or Battle Tree or what? -- Guiltysparkzz (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
  • They were Battle Tree Pokémon. I believe you can find them if you go to the list of Battle Tree Pokémon; https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Battle_Tree_Pok%C3%A9mon
  • Also even while some other Pokémon in the Battle Tree/Royal Dome had illegal moves, like the Shell Smash Kommo-o, those ones got patched in updates for Sun & Moon. But they didn't fix this one until the games got remade. -- Power-Point Panpour (talk) 17:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Added it, thanks for the tip! --Guiltysparkzz (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)