Talk:PearlShipping

Similarities

Am I the only one who doesn't see how the similarities are relevant? They're not hints, they're just similarities. Brock and Ash are both male, but that doesn't count as a Bouldershipping hint. --Pie ^~♪♫ 00:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting trivia but it doesn't say anything about the actual ship. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 00:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Agread, we don't nead itCerberus 16:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I second what Pie says. Gary is based on Blue and May on her Inter-media counterpart, but you don't see PalletShippers or AdvanceShippers jumping all over that fact.--PikamasterADV 04:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Simularites are things the two of them have in common. Maybe such things, if not acceptable as "hints" as such, could instead have their own section? - Cassius335 10:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I Have One: Rivals Of Their Game Counterparts Have Appeared In the Anime . The Rivals Are Gary and Jun Pokemon94 01:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds valid, I guess you can put it up. Pkmn veteran 05:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The Rivals of their game counterparts starter with Water Type pokemon . Should We add it? Pokemon94 03:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hints

*sigh* Are we allowed to show the other side because it doesn't take much to explain all those hints away. At least the list doesn't count the high-5s... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 00:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The fact is this is a shipping page, and in every shipping page, it the merits of the hints can be argued, so it would be rather pointless to add a rebuttal. Lionheart08 04:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, on a sub-note, "at least the list doesn't count the high5s", I heard that DP011, a contest episode, and DP029 had them; if you want you can add the DPO29 to that page. Now, if you want to remember; DP011's was reused on the now- DP14? opening, the contest episode has it zoomed out (you can see Ash & Dawn's arms extending), and DP029 was bad studioelle animation-in fact you can barely even see it-the only place you can find it online is at a, i don't know, a split-second into the 19:45 mark. And cue the one for the Arceus movie-the zoom-UP makes that one great CGI-even for the "walking through grass" scenes. - unsigned comment from Pokefan209 (talk • contribs)

Minor Vandalism?

Since when was adding a line to a page "minor vandalism"? You may not have noticed, ShiningPikablu, but Ash's Pokemon are still using that Spin Dodge, as recently as this weeks episode.- unsigned comment from Cassius335 (talk • contribs)

I was referring to your changing linking and templating around as minor vandalism, not your comment on the dodge tactic. When you made your addition, you also changed Kenny (coordinator) (an actual page) to Kenny (Coordinator) (a redirect), you removed the link to the actual Kenny's Prinplup article and put a link to the article on the Prinplup species instead, removed the Project Shipping notice, and removed a link to the matching page on Pokémon Wiki, the Japanese-language wiki in Encyclopaediae Pokémonis.

I've gone ahead and restored your comment. But be warned, I've got my eye out on you. Make another vandalism, minor or not, and a sysop will be alerted.

Oh, and one more thing--it's improper to capitalize the P in my username, such as how you don't refer to stuff as FlameThrower, BubbleBeam, PickUp, and BlackGlasses. --Shiningpikablu252 02:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

*blinks, looks at the edit history* Ok, What the hell happened there? Because all I did was add a sentence. The rest of that is new to me. Cassius335 11:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I bet I'm really late weighing in on this issue, but ShiningPikaBlu252 stated that he doesnt refer to stuff as "BubbleBeam" but it is in fact BubbleBeam. So, being trumped by his own example, he should be referred to as ShiningPikeBlu252 <3 PkmnTrainerJohn 07:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Spin-dodge

Note: still spin-dodging, even as of DP066! TTEchidna^G_SDS! 06:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

BubbleGlasses

In all fairness, it is BubbleBeam and they are BlackGlasses. I haven't gotten around to change all the links to Bubblebeam yet, but it's on my list. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 23:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Mistake?

• They both released the second Pokémon they caught: Ash released Pidgeot and Dawn released Pachirisu. However, Dawn recaptured Pachirisu and Ash said he would come back for Pidgeot (though he has yet to do so).

... Second? Pidgeot and Pachirisu were their third Pokemon. Ash's second was his Caterpie, which he did release, but Dawn's second was her Buneary, and Dawn still owns it...~m190049 22:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Starters NOT included!--KukiTalk 22:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

But they never caught their starter pokemon, that iis why it is called a starter pokemon.~~ashanddawn4evr

Uhm, waist?

Acoording to "Similarities", Ash is holding Dawn's waist? Well, uh, no. He doesn't. If you get, first of all, get a bigger pic of it, and you'll see; he does NOT hold her waist. >_> It maybe looks like that, but the truth is that his hand is BEHIND Dawn, ok? And look here, btw:

Madch94 18:20, 7 November (UTC)

Actually, it's true. It's says ONE SCENE. In this picture,

a:File:Dominos Ad Nov08.jpg

behind the green star, under the red bow, Ash is holding her waist. パチリスの恋人12 20:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

- It's pretty obvious that he's clenching his fist in the commercial, that's why I put that it can be depicted in that single shot.

--Pkmn veteran 04:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

No matter what, they're still really close to each other. Anyone got a higher-res shot? TTEchidna 06:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

well can we get a video link? Ultamatecharizard 18:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

[1] パチリスの恋人12 15:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Does Ash's glove have yellow knuckles? if anything, those are knuckles.--DCM_{((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))}

No, Ash's glove's don't have knuckles. They're like biking gloves. パチリスの恋人12 19:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, there was something else yellow there. I can clearly see his hands. --DCM_{((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))}

That's Pikachu's ear. パチリスの恋人12 22:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Why is pikachu's ear in a bow tied around Dawns waist? dont answer that--DCM_{((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))}

Yes, I'm a bit late, but I've just now watched the video, and Ash's fist is clearly clenched behind Dawn, not on her waist. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 22:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Even if Ash is not holding Dawn's waist, his hand/fist is behind her isn't it?!?! --ashanddawn4evr

I was told not to include anything like that. But I just thought it pver, you can put it in if you want.--Midnight Blue 06:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to change hint format

I'd like to make a proposal to change the format of the hints to a style similar to what is used in the PokéShipping and AdvanceShipping. This would help in making the hints more spaced and easier on the eyes and would eliminate the need to begin with "In (Insert Episode), hint...". This process can also be used to check and review the hints and allow the removal of any hint that can be considered baseless, biased, etc. and allow for the addition of any missed/over sought hints. However, executing this proposal can mean that some reorganization has to be done. If this proposal is undertaken, the only thing I'm pondering is how to execute it without causing a massive edit war. Pkmn veteran 04:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Its true. The page really needs reorganizing. The opinionated hints can be removed later. Jmath 10:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is feasible but I think the proposal I made can be executed by first having at least recruiting an admin or more and a group of volunteers who are diligent and have a good record with the wiki (No biased hints, multiple edits) who are willing to help in overhauling the page. The volunteers will first sign up on a list on this talk page. Each volunteer must be approved by the admin(s). Then each volunteer will perform a certain role, such as looking at past episodes (the DP saga will be split into chunks with one volunteer assigned a range of episodes), editing hints according to Bulbapedia policies, etc. They will post their findings and any needed edits on the talk page or a designated page (see notes below). The hints will be reviewed by other volunteers to ensure that everything is valid. The admin(s) will put the page under full protection and make the suggested edits and formatting. After the edits are done, volunteers will review the page and make further comments/suggestions/complaints to the admin(s) on any of the content. After everything is agreed upon, the page will remain under Full Protection for a few more days in order to deter any users not in the volunteer group from making edits or restoring any poor hints that used to be on the page.

NOTES: Some things of concern include the potential of the talk page being spammed so probably a new PearlShipping page can be temporarily be set up on a Wiki Sandbox site with a similar engine to Bulbapedia or a page on Bulbapedia which is known only to the volunteers. The page containing the temporary article will be PM'd by the admin to the volunteers BMGf account indicated on their Bulbapedia user page. Any volunteers without a BMGf account will be required to make an account in order to receive the article site. Note that this is just my suggestion and can be modified as seen fit. The Special:EmailUser function can also be used but I think the BMGf method is more reliable. --Pkmn veteran 05:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Jesus, the hints...

So, if someone saves another person, or gives does that mean they are in love? No. I don't think so. Seriously what's up? This article is in need of serious improvement.Ultradude2k 08:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

All shipping articles have the saving thing has a hint. Not just this one. It is warned at the top that this article is speculation and may contain a POV. That's just how it is. --ケンジのガール 08:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It still needs to be cleaned up to high heaven and have a good third of the content removed. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm still all go for the changes I proposed I made in the previous topic. I think it is best to take action before it gets bad to the point where we want to rip out our hair until we go bald. Executing something like this needs a well thought-out plan. Pkmn veteran 00:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Who do you reccommend take this monster on then? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

↑Check my suggestion above↑.Pkmn veteran 05:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

(Directed at Luna Tiger/ArcToraphim/Whoever) I would gladly take this monster on, but since I'm a massive PearlShipper (and I mean MASSIVE), I would probably keep in more hints than someone else...:P --Alpha Totodile^{Listen closely...} 11:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

If anything

If anything, I believe this shipping will be true in the anime later on, due to Misty being very tomboyish and such...while I've seen episodes where Ash yells at May. AshDawnBrock 02:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

A Pic?

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Pearlshipping.jpg Can this be used as a pic for the DP144 scene? Kotone asked Dawn if she and Ash are together and Dawn quickly responds to it. - unsigned comment from BAC510 (talk • contribs)

I think so.--Midnight Blue 21:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I think you've forgotten something

I think you've forgotten to put the hints from the Pokemon Movie 12 Arceus and the Jewel of Life. You can watch the movie in youtube if you want. Micster 08:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

You can go add them yourself... Alpha CuboneKing 00:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

When will this be unprotected?

There are many errors. --Midnight Blue 03:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It says so right in the article history: August 2nd. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Didn't think to check the history. Thanks. --Midnight Blue 04:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Grammar Issues

As I know Shippers can be quite possessive, I want to announce that, while I recently rewrote several hints, I did so merely in an effort to address some fairly glaring grammatical and [sentence-]structural issues. I changed nothing substantive, even though, in many cases, it's clear that what is being presented as a "hint" is almost painfully platonic. Funnily, the functional converse of this is also true, i.e., this page seems to actually omit some relevant Pearlshipping moments.

I would also like to question whether references to the original Japanese should continue to be omitted. In some cases the language in the dub is different enough so as to generate more (or less) "potential subtext," if you will. A few of these so-called "hints" can be explained away pretty easily when one consults a more literal translation. Similarly, I feel as if a few "hints" have been omitted because of over-reliance upon the dub. Bluesmith 12:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that someone reverted a few of my edits, thereby restoring, inter alia, several instances of the article's [grammatically incorrect] use of passive voice. I don't think the stated reason (supplying an answer before explanation) provides adequate rationale for the perpetuation of faulty sentence structure and poor writing. Perhaps the editor in question could explain his or her reasoning better? Bluesmith 22:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

First of all, all new entries on talk pages go to the bottom; using the [+] tab by the "edit this page" tab would auto-generate its own new entry. Second of all, I changed only the intro. One, I removed your "or are in the formative stages of" line, because that is incorrect. The act of shipping is to support a couple, meaning that if one is a shipper, they believe that those two should be in a relationship. Any status of said relationship is irrelevant to the term overall. One can 'ship two people despite it being clear one of those characters is meant for someone else; to imply it might be in "formative stages" for any 'ship is misrepresenting what a shipping is, because Pearlshipping isn't in the formative stages of anything. I wouldn't even allow that wording on Contestshipping, for the reasons that whatever stage of relationship any characters are in doesn't relate at all to the general term in use. It's strictly, "If I ship something, I think they should be together." That's it.

Two, the 'shipping community did not "name it" (only one person did) and the original wording negates any misunderstandings about its origins. Three, the way you phrased the name's origins makes it a jumble. If you need twice or three times as many commas to explain something then how you originally phrased it (and hard dashes count), you're going to wind up with readers who'll need to reread it again, because it's so fragmented within itself. Never mind the whole point in explaining something is to get to the point, not dance around the point before getting there. It's also not grammatically incorrect. You just don't like it. But if I thought you were doing badly overall, I would have reverted the whole thing. That says something.

For the record though, the passive is used because this isn't cold fact; it's tentative fact. Everything in this article happened in canon, but it doesn't prove a thing, so why make it sound like it does. Now, going strictly by the original script as you proposed has always been a "thing". It's obvious most of us can only go by what's given in English, because that's all we know (and those that think they know Japanese [as opposed to actually knowing it] usually get it wrong). It's a fine line, because there are people who separate Hikari and Satoshi from Dawn and Ash (the Rockstshipping article is an example of putting only Japanese translations to use, over the English ones), but we still cater to an English audience who want what happened in the dub, and not always the raw. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Apologies regarding talk order; I rarely edit wikis and almost never talk pages. As for the content of your response (thank you for your explanation), the version of the intro I wrote, unlike the original, is technically grammatically correct irrespective of whether you feel it it is too complicated or syntactically opaque for BP's readers to grasp. If this is truly an issue, then the sentence itself should simply be truncated (you should consider moving it, along with segmented explanatory material, into a separate paragraph). I also don't think you understand what I mean when I refer to the passive voice. Ultimately, however, I don't care really care and am just happy that the remainder of this article reads somewhat better than it used to. Bluesmith 06:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

umm why are high fives considered hints?

i see that a lot of hints on this page contain high 5's but high 5's aren't shippy at all. - unsigned comment from Mash4eva (talk • contribs)

Maybe to you they aren't. But think about it, Ash rarely high fives anyone else. --ケンジのガール 04:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

i don't wanna be rude but i still don't get why it's mentioned. even though he normally doesn't high 5 people, it does mean that it's a shippy hint when he high 5's dawn. i personally don't find most hints on half of the shipping pages shippy anyway. i guess my viewpoint of what's considered shippy is different than othersMash4eva 03:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Latest edits

I've just checked the Dawn's hints part adding some hints. It looked to miss some parts that are normally considered hints by everyone (for what I've read, at least), so I decided to make the changes. I mainly tried not to add POV hints/scenes; however, I'm still learning and for every doubt or discussion I'm here to talk about it. Also, sorry for eventual english mistakes, I think I haven't done them, but not being english they could occasionally occur. If there are any questions or discussion, just ask. I decided to check Ash's hints in a different time, not to make too many changes in only one time if they will be needed. --IvanAipom93 10:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Canon?

Could we add if they are canon to the shipping pages? I get confused a lot, so it could help. (Kirby kart 21:47, 19 August 2015 (UTC))

Anyone notice?

Did anyone notice how High touch was the first (I think) duet by Ash and a Female companion in Japan or just me?DPfanShadowSkully (talk) 05:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)DPfanShadowSkully ~~

That's probably true. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)