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TM26 (Earthquake)	TM71 (Stone Edge)
Electirizers	Magmarizers
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Offers end September 30! Contact TTE on his talk page!

Damn, and in less than fifteen days. You guys gotta bug me less.

Hey buddy

you mad cuz i spam yer talk pagee. lol. No, actually, I was wondering if you'd care to update the rest of Rain Dance to Platinum standard. PsychicRider started it, but ran into computer problems and couldn't finish. As for why I don't do it myself, it's cause I fail epically at stuff that involves that much coding. Believe me, I would if I could. --ニョロトノ666 00:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It's easy enough to do. Just look at the other moves like it. TTEchidna 00:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I guess I'll give it a shot... --ニョロトノ666 00:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't hurt, besides, it's mostly just parameter replacement... And I have other Platinum things to update... TTEchidna 00:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Question

I'm trying to edit Eevee's location in Platinum but I can't.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 03:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

ptrarity, ptarea. TTEchidna 03:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thxs.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 03:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Before I leave, I gotta remind you that every non-gen IV Pokemon that are NOT in the Sinnoh Dex keeps the same D/P sprite. DO the sprite table should be altered so that the platinum links link over to the d/p sprites...OR...you could waste server space and upload the pictures AGAIN...it's all up to what the people of Bulbapeida thinks. See Ya'!--☆Tavisource 05:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Meaning... Cyndaquil's Pt sprite is its DP sprite? Aw man...

But is the animation the same? TTEchidna 06:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Small chance it may.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If it's not... we must have separate files. But we shall see about that as we get more data. TTEchidna 06:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay and BTW for these pages be redirected to the respective citys or make the page?--☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Tokiwa City (Zensho)
• Tamamushi City (Zensho)
• Sekiei Kougen (Zensho)
• Sekichiku City (Zensho)
• Nibi City (Zensho)
• Kuchiba City (Zensho)
• Hanada City (Zensho)
• Guren Town (Zensho)

How are they different from their counterparts in the games, anime, and everything else? TTEchidna 06:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Not really sure.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'd doubt they're much different at all, so redirecting them to their corresponding cities wouldn't be a bad idea. TTEchidna 06:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thxs and good night.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Explain

Could you explain to me how the new Platinum animation thing works? tc26 09:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

. If you don't see it animating your browser's sucky (ie, IE). What we're planning is to make all of the Platinum spites do this as well, and eventually, the DP ones as well (don't worry, ###.png will stay as the static battlesprite).

It's less a new animation thing and more a new way of getting the sprites to move. TTEchidna 17:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Time roll over?

Whats that time rollover thing on January 19th 2038 and our computrs crash, i dont gte it, whats that thing, why will it be negative?--Davidaipom 17:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Year 2038 problem. TTEchidna 17:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahh Thankss =]--Davidaipom 17:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, a new version of Y2K (albeit with actual scientific basis)? Quite interesting. I don't doubt that 29 years is more then enough time to find a fix, though... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 04:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it was gonna happen eventually. TTEchidna 04:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Reminds me of the one episode of Futurama, where they have to deal with the giant ball of garbage Earth got rid of years before by launching into space. The fix involved making a bigger ball of garbage and launching it into space to deflect the first ball, but leaving the question, what happens when both balls of garbage eventually come back in a few thousand years? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 04:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Humanity for ya. TTEchidna 04:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

(in response to Geo) Who cares? That's a thousand years away! It's none of our concern. -- MAGNEDETH 04:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Huh. That's kind of creepy.

Then again, I spent the summer working for a guy who was never in the office because he was preparing his cabin for the apocalypse... so I guess I should be used to it by now. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 07:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

@ MAG: QFT. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 09:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Gligar

There's a problem in the tutoring moveset section, and I can't figure out the problem. Care to give it a shot? --ニョロトノ666 22:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:Tutor. TTEchidna 22:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem you said you'd fix tomorrow? However, Gligar is not a Gen III Pokémon... --ニョロトノ666 22:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It's broken on all Pokémon pages. The easiest to fix are Gen IV Pokémon. TTEchidna 22:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Anything I can help with tomorrow? Does it involve an insane amount of coding? --ニョロトノ666 22:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Only as much parameter pasting as anything else. TTEchidna 22:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Dig

Why does the category say it's updated to Platinum standard when it clearly isn't? Flicky1991 09:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Because people are meant to do it all at once. The templates used categorize it so that when the category's no longer needed, it can be removed from the template, thus saving us from having to edit 467 pages again. TTEchidna 09:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I tried to do as much as possible, but I really couldn't keep it up. Can someone finish this off? I know there's no shortage of people who check this page... Flicky1991 10:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, let me see how much I can do.--Diby 10:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I know you're busy...

But do you think you can take care of this for me? I asked Politoed and Kenji, but I don't think they're on anymore. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 22:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

...or just unprotect it long enough for me to do it myself. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 22:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, Kenji got it. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 23:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Any more of those that don't have DP/Pt registered? TTEchidna 00:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 01:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay then. TTEchidna 02:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Electabuzz

The move tutor table on its page has been messed up if anyone would like to fix it, please do so. I cannot. Sorry.Monblazon 00:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There are only three Es, so I'll take them. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 00:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

...you... missed the message from the editor. Didn't you. TTEchidna 00:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Whose message? Where? Why? How? Seriously though: Sorry...Monblazon 23:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Message from the editor, one of the features on the Main Page. It was removed briefly for the featured article, then put back until we feature another article. TTEchidna 02:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Can u help

Can u help me identify characters whose articles M-i-a-b just created? I need descriptions because I am looking for a good pic for their articles.--KukiTalk 02:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

...what now? Who? TTEchidna 03:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

He refers to this guy, who has created many COD pages --Nick. 03:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Manga in bottle created COD articles that just said "(Character name) is a COTD that appeared in (Episode name)" I need descriptions for those characters so I know who to look for when I search for pix to go w/ the articles--KukiTalk 03:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh.

Well I honestly have no clue... you'll have to rewatch the episode... TTEchidna 04:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The

Hm? I think you might've misunderstood the reason I did it which I in turn misunderstand...whatever, I guess it's grammatically correct with or without "the".--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Either way, it looks kinda dumb to just have the "the" there. The brains have their titles, kinda like Mr. Verich, I'd say. The opening there isn't "The dude whose last name is Verich," it's just Mr. Verich. TTEchidna 05:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

New expansive project

There are a hell of a lot of uncategorized templates. Not laying blame on anyone, just stating a fact. I think that's a problem. Therefore, I plan on beginning what looks to be a fairly lengthly project tomorrow of categorizing all these templates. Like, all the AnimeInfobox templates would go under Category:Anime Infobox templates, which would in turn go under some other category, probably just plain old Category:Templates. I'm not asking for any help, but I am wondering if it's alright if I go ahead and do that. Like, there's no reason those are uncategorized, is there? --ニョロトノ666 22:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The answer is kind of...duh. They should have been categorized in the first place, and if you want to do that, feel free! ^Moldy_Orange 22:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you do, don't categorize Template:Character palette. That's been tried twice in the past, and both times it had to be de-categorized due to weird problems popping up while categorized. --Shiningpikablu252 22:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sort of like the Main Page rule: only one should not be.

I'd say that any templates that aren't categorized but are subtemplates of another template should be categorized as subtemplates and in the category their parent template is in. TTEchidna 02:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've knocked off a hell of a lot of them in just under an hour today. Pretty boring and repetitive, but it's something productive to do, so I'd appreciate it if no one took over for me. In any case, it'd be appreciated if you just took a quick look to see if there are any problems with how I'm doing it, and let me know if there are. Thanks! --ニョロトノ666 22:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh...? --ニョロトノ666 23:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for everything. Next time, I should ask an admin, eh? Anyway, should I add the Pt tutors for Mew or not? ht14 02:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. TTEchidna 02:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...again...all the data is posted. Is it ok? ht14 03:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Now Gen III remains to be done. TTEchidna 03:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Is there a faster way to find out what Gen IV still needs to be uploaded?--☆Tavisource 04:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The sprites? I wish. TTEchidna 04:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

If there's a next game with new sprites, uploading should be organized where the sprites must be uploaded in order or something. Because now, there are just random sprites uploaded, and you don't know which one is still to be uploaded. So next time, this should be made an organized project.--☆Tavisource 04:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

That's why next game we're not gonna upload any screenshot-ripped sprites. Next game we're going to wait for the guys who know what they're doing to rip them from the game, so then Zhen can upload them all to the archives via BulbaBot.

Of course, by the time the next game's out anipngs will be widespread, thanks to our efforts now. TTEchidna 04:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but for now, I'll be helping to upload what ever I can within the time I have. Well, I guess I'll be uploading again.--☆Tavisource 04:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Good, good. Go for it. TTEchidna 04:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

As for Mew, wouldn't it get a bit large? If that's the case, what should be done, what with all the TMs and all? Maybe we could use the suggestion of what moves Mew can't use... ht14 04:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, Mew's an isolated incident. The rest of them are fine. TTEchidna 04:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? I don't quite understand "isolated incident"...but if it means the only situation, then what about Pikachu? ht14 04:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Mew's the only one that learns everything. We might do a "what Mew doesn't learn ever" thing... but eh. Pikachu's MT moves are far less expansive. TTEchidna 05:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I meant by page length, but I get it now. ht14 05:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Page length? Due to the learnsets? Eventually I intend for us to adopt another form of scripting that'll let us change between the I/I/III/IV movesets on the same page. The biggest problem there is the fact that they all have such different parameters... TTEchidna 05:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The broken tutor templates

Sorry for "bugging" but...I have tried to fix the broken tutor template of this page. Is it alright? If so, then can I edit the other pages in a similar manner?--Diby 13:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it broken on a lot of pages? It might be easier to just edit the template itself, if they're all messed up like that. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with fixing it. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 14:05, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Editing the template won't work, it was edited to accomidate XD, so all the templates have to be fixed. And yes, you did it correctly. Roam Free and fix all the templates! The Placebo Effect 22:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Only problem is people are now adding XD's tutors when they shouldn't have... Oy. TTEchidna 23:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Fronteir Brains

I'm trying to add "metal= [[Medal#{{{Stage Medal}}}|{{{Stage Medal}}}]] |" on the page but i don't on which part of the template to put it in the pages.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ack. I'll fix it up to accommodate this data. TTEchidna 23:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

By the way... it's not metal, it's medal. Metal = iron, copper, aluminium. Those. Medal = one of those things you win that is MADE OF metal. TTEchidna 00:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I has issues with spelling yet my H.Engish teacher hates it--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

YAY!

[[Image:001.png]] to [[Image:493.png]] are all updated to Platinum. All we need is the sprites for the Sprite Table.--☆Tavisource 23:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

And that would be Spr 4p ###.png. TTEchidna 23:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

So, who's our next victim? I need a break to do my homework.--☆Tavisource 23:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The implementation of XD and Pt move tutors. TTEchidna 23:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Where's Kenji-girl and Tc26? I was going to have them help me with the alt sprites, but I ended up finishing all but one on my own...I've seen Kenji-girl this afternoon, but Tc26 had disappeared for a long time. Anyways, I think I'm done uploading for today...unless Kuki comes up with new ideas. I had organized this thing on my user page...it's kind of like an organized project for alt sprites. Instead of it being on my user page, do you think we could make a new project page for it? Since the sprites are accepted into Bulbapdia, I think there should be something to organize it; to make sure something like the "Pt sprite mess thing" doesn't happen to the alt sprites and also it could prevent another rebellion.--☆Tavisource 03:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Like for your custom sprites? Or just the regular ones? TTEchidna 03:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

customed.--☆Tavisource 03:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I'd advise against a mainspace project... but feel free to figure some standard out in your userspace. TTEchidna 03:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

K. You should protect the Bulbapedia:Archived nominations for administratorship page so people can't add their names into it. I'm rejected? Does that mean I don't have another chance? Most of the "opposed" reasons were because I didn't have enough main space edits. But I'm a sprite guy...so what can I do on the mainspace? I spend most of my time on the archives.--☆Tavisource 03:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, we haven't decided, but we should decide by December. TTEchidna 03:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Um..

What the hell just happened on the recent changes page?~Pokemaniac102 03:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Porygon-Z and Magnedeth just got accepted as admin and the others, including me, got rejected. (sob, sob)--☆Tavisource 03:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Only those who were nominated on the 12th. TTEchidna 03:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't get nominated? (jk I didn't expect to be. I've hardly been here.)~Pokemaniac102 03:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

...then why was I on the rejected list along with kuki and SC?--☆Tavisource 03:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You can see yourself. TTEchidna 03:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

eh..~Pokemaniac102 03:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

What?--☆Tavisource 03:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you mean Jan 1 2009, not 2008--☆Tavisource 03:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh? Oops. TTEchidna 03:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Even if I was nominated, I would be rejected. I hardly go on here now, I only hang around on talk pages every now and then, I hardly edit, I just sit at the Recent Changes page all day and watch for any ill-doing to this website.~Pokemaniac102 03:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

But you used to be here all the time...you was the one who welcomed me on my talk page...what happened?--☆Tavisource 03:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes......its the place to haunt.--DCM_{((TalkContributions))}

Oh school got in the way. But RECENTLY (as in a few minutes ago) I acquired most of my time to be allowed on this website. So I'll be on the website much more nowadays. And the only thing I think is good about me is that - I've been here since Aug. 2007 - and I stay at the recent changes page so I know whenever something happens.~Pokemaniac102 04:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm ALWAYS on the Recent changes page...24/7--☆Tavisource 04:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, which makes me worthless.~Pokemaniac102 04:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly. TTEchidna 04:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

School gets in my way too, so I'm always on as soon as I get home, until I go to sleep. By the way, TTEchidna, don't reject Takoto no matter what, she uses someone elses internet, but it broke, and they got a new one, so wait until she comes back.--☆Tavisource 04:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, how am I not worthless???~Pokemaniac102 04:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You DID help alot in the past...and who wouldn't Bulbapdia welcome?...(answer:no one except for people who mess around big time.)-☆Tavisource 04:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I did, in the past...and that was the past :( Most don't know who I am cause of my long absense~Pokemaniac102 04:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

You were the first I knew. Anyways, why isn't anyone editing on Bulbapdia? It's so lonely. THere's only me, you, TTEchidna, and DCM, who's watching us talk. (scary)--☆Tavisource 04:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

It's about to be 1 less. I have to go to bed. Bye. Talk to you again Tomorrow around 5:00 PM Central Time.~Pokemaniac102 04:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn, I was too slow. ANyways, I'll be back at around 6:00 central time.--☆Tavisource 04:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

DCM isnt knon anymore........he jumped the shark.......changed his name.......--DCM_{((TalkContributions))}

And no one would know, because no one is on Bulbapdia at this time except for me,you and that new user who jsut came by.--☆Tavisource 04:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Can we get rid of the following...

• Template:Warning1
• Template:Warning2
• Template:Warning3
• Template:Warning4
• Template:Indefinitely blocked
• Template:Blocked

They are redundant, and repetitive, since they already exist in the forms of edit summary and already existing template. The only difference is that they have an image that will make it harder and take longer to load pages. I think they should go. ^Moldy_Orange 15:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I also thought they were pretty redundant. Usually when someone gets one of those messages they either don't care and pay no attention to their talk page at all, or they're like "I'M SO SORRY PLEASE DON"T KILL ME".

Plus, when you get blocked, you get notified when you try to edit or login. TTEchidna 17:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Help

You and Politoed666 are the only admins I know of who don't abuse their admin powers, and you're higher in command, which is why I'm coming to you. Moldy orange has been abusing his admin powers more than ever lately. He reverts edits for unjustified reasons, and protects articles when he's losing in edit wars. He's also been deleting many of my images from the Archives for no good reason. I'm seriously asking you to please do something about him. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 23:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"losing in edit wars"? It's against the rules to get into them in the first place. If an admin protects an article that's going through an edit war, well, that's exactly what he's supposed to do. --electAbuzzzz 23:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

who are you, Yami? ive seen Moldy Orange's reverts and they all check out. -- MAGNEDETH 23:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit wars aren't even allowed!~Pokemaniac102 23:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

ElectAbuzzzz, there are un-justified reasons for Moldy orange reverting my edits. MAGNEDETH, how does it "check out" if someone removes a legitimate license tag from an image? Pokemaniac102, it's not my fault that Moldy orange doesn't understand that I'm just trying to improve stuff. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 23:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

i was referring to edits on the pedia here. i dont deal with the Archives much. but i know he went around deleting useless images in the Archives, namely items uploaded by users for their page, which is frowned upon. -- MAGNEDETH 00:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Several of the images I uploaded to the Archives were useful for the templates I made here. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 00:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

You know what bugs me about kids running to whine about admins? They never try to solve things through discussion. If they do, they never listen to the other side's arguments. The admins aren't saints, they make mistakes - but they're here longer and have more experience. They're willing to listen if you bring up a good case and not act like a, well, baby... I know that from experience. --electAbuzzzz 00:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Those images were uploaded for the templates that TTE deleted. You specifically made a category for those images named "Category:Images not related to Bulbapedia." Once the templates were deleted, they were now unused images not related to Bulbapedia, which that sort of images should not be on the Archives at all. Then you tried to have personal images, which weren't yours, deleted, even though they weren't yours to mess with.

Furthermore, You tried to double categorize that Chansey sprite. Category:Custom sprites is in Category:Game Sprites, the one that goes with the game sprites tag. I just was trying to keep you from doing something that shouldn't have been done. ^Moldy_Orange 00:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Um...

Yami Takashi is causing quite a stir. May you please bring it to an end?~Pokemaniac102 00:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

DCMStole your user page.HE cant find the rule that says he shouldnt--DCM_{((TalkContributions))}

I assume this is over now? Yami, everyone happy? Please? The issue's over. And Yami, just a warning to you: people laugh at you when you take yourself too freaking seriously. TTEchidna 02:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Is your...

Aim okay?~Ποκεμανιαχα0β 02:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I dunno. Haven't really ever been able to throw things correctly. TTEchidna 02:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just want to let you know that I just finished making transparent backgrounds for all the costumed sprites so we could use them on colored templates and such. And would you happen to know where PL12 had gone?--☆Tavisource 03:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's that Pachirisu has grown out of this website and is too busy with other things to come here~Ποκεμανιαχα0β 03:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)