Talk:Legendary beasts

Origin Speculation

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. SixthFlyingMan 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. Glinn Mgraw 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This and the Eeveelutions as their original forms are contradictions to what is told about them. ::Because Ho-oh embodied them with the 3 events that happened and therefore they are now of the types Electric, Fire and Water.

A more logical theory however is that they were unevolved Eevees. There's even some information backing up this:

-Eevees evolve into Eeveelutions of the element they are exposed too (limited to the beasts types) and Ho-oh gave them an "overdose" of those elements by embodying them with these from the events (they are even statwise comparable).

-the other thing is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY

There are 3 Sages, the protectors of the Tin Tower, in Crystal and they use 1 of just those 3 Eeveelutions in battle. One could assume there have been eeveetrainers, protectors of the Brass Tower once, whose the Eevees that died could have been. --Saiph charon 09:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Dogs or Cats

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --いぬみみ 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. De Wolfy is here 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. Lucentas 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Come on! You must be blind if you:

• Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
• See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
• Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face Spideym 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I personally only see feline features in Raikou, Suicune is pretty obviously a wolf and Entei a big dog to me. But, that's exactly the reason they're the legendary beasts, because the fandom can't decide on cats or dogs.Reign 22:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia point

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? Bttsstewart 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --いぬみみ 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…

This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. IIMarckus 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. Bttsstewart 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Gerbils?

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? LordArceus 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --いぬみみ 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbilsDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. Lucentas 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, on my Youtube account I have a video of their music and about half the comments say their legendary gerbils. Pokemonemerfan1954 06:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Origins idea?

Not my thought- this was brought up as an anonymous post on 420chan's /po/ but was surprisingly insightful, especially with the origins of the beasts and their roles in the game compared to what they were said to be in this metaphor. I suppose I will say this in two words: Dante's Inferno. In the first Canto of the Inferno, Dante is assaulted by "a lion, a leopard, and a she-wolf" (who symbolize the sins of self indulgence, violence, and malice, respectively).

Normally I would laugh away any attempt to explain where GameFreak got the basis for a monster without them explicitly stating it, but the simultaneous appearance of a lion (Entei), leopard (Raikou), and she-wolf (Suicune) in "Inferno" seems too conspicuous to ignore. Any thoughts on this? Extended analogies from Dante to prove/disprove? NonaSuomi

Doubtful, considering Entei and Raikou look nothing like a lion or leopard, and you can only make a weak comparison to Suicune as a wolf.Reign 09:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Ordering?

I'm seeing Raikou, Entei, and Suicune. That's according to the NDex numbers. Not sure if it's just me, but does anyone else see the same naming scheme as in the birds? Suicune' (pron. is Spanish for one) Raikou (rhymes two) and Entei (sorta like three). Which seems better?--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 22:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

You're reading too far into it this time. —darklordtrom 02:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

HeartGold/SoulSilver

It says elsewhere on the site that if suicune is KO'd in HGSS, it'll reappear in Burnt Tower, and keep reappearing until it's caught. Is the same also true of the other two legendary beasts? --Oatzy 20:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Only Suicune reappears after being defeated. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Not true, Raikou and Entei also reappear after being defeated.. you just gotta beat the E4 (doesn't matter if it's the first time beating it or not). They just reappear in the wild, no need to re-summon. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 04:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

That's in the wild though, not the Burnt Tower, which was the question. Which is also why I didn't know they reappear in the wild, since I only checked the Tower... R.A. Hunter Blade 22:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Er, excuse me, but how can you catch them in HGSS? When I encounter one and use my Golbat and Mean Look to stop them, the beast Roar after about 5 turns.

Takaoldaria 13:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

That's more of a forum question, but whatever. I've always found Mean Look to be a waste of time, seeing as their HP and status carry over to your next battle with them. You can weaken them one move at a time, put them to sleep, and catch them if you're patient enough to track them down again each time they flee. --AndyPKMN 13:44, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The effect of Roar makes your Pokémon run away if it's used by a wild Pokémon. Mean look only makes the other Pokémon unable to run away, until you switch out whatever used Mean Look, or if you flee from a wild battle. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The new images of the Isshu trio seems to imply they would be beasts

Of course, it isn't official, but it got me to thinking. What will Bulbapedia do if the trio in Isshu can only be accurately called the Legendary Beasts? Is there a plan in place to prevent this page from erupting into a cat/dog war? I've done research into the origin of the beasts, and can easily provide it for double checking if need be. Once again, I'm not saying that the page should be changed. I'm just asking if Bulbapedia has a plan if the new trio turns out to be something that can only be called The Legendary Beasts --Shadowater 21:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Design process

In January 2012, Sugimori prompted the designer of the Legendary beasts, Muneo Saitō, to discuss their origins on Twitter. I came across this screenshot of the tweets (with translations). It might be useful to add some of this information to the page. For example, she states that Entei, Raikou, and Suicune are based on a lion, tiger, and leopard, respectively. --SnorlaxMonster 11:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Gold / Silver Beta

Can someone please add everything we know now from the beta version of the 2nd gen games ? Please. Jeangabin666 (talk) 18:04, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Similar movesets

Would it be a good idea to toggle the trio's movesets between generations with the {{pokelinkback}} template?KasaibouF29 (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Potential to move

According to a member of the Wise Trio:

"When the BRASS TOWER burned down, three nameless POKéMON were said to have perished. It was tragic. However… A rainbow-colored POKéMON… In other words… HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKéMON. They are… SUICUNE, ENTEI, and RAIKOU. That is what they say."

Which name should the page "legendary beasts" be moved to? "Three nameless Pokémon" or "Nameless Pokémon"? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 23:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The descriptive phrase "nameless pokémon" refers to whatever the legendary beasts were before they were resurrected by Ho-Oh, which we can say almost nothing about. It would also be a very confusing page name, since they aren't nameless anymore. Minibug (talk) 23:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)