Talk:History of the Pokémon world (anime)

It might be useful to note what is dated in the backstory. Here's the stuff on the top of my head:

• 2 million years - First Pokémon dated by archaeology (EP163)
• 200 years - Orange League taking place (EP095)
• 50 years - Sammy Oak born (Pokémon 4Ever)
• 40 years - Sammy Oak goes on his Pokémon Journey (Pokémon 4Ever)
• 10 years - Misty born (EP003)
• 10 years - Ash born (EP001, Shopro)
• 10 years - May born (AG001, Shopro)
• 10 years - Dawn born (DP001)
  • The four were born in that order
• 7 years - Max born (Shopro)
• EP005 - 2 weeks have passed
• EP031 - Several months have passed
• EP063 - A year has passed
• Pikachu and Pichu - Second year has passed

--FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

All good ideas to add. --Pie ^~♪♫ 23:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Problem, which I noticed when I went to take the anime info out of history of the Pokémon world - that article says 400 years ago. And the one on the Orange League itself says 300 years. What's the number? --Pie ^~♪♫ 07:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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I am a bit sceptacle on Jessie and James joining Team Rocket before Max's birth. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh, true... --Pie ^~♪♫ 23:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Ash turns 10

I'm pretty sure there's nothing in Episode 1 saying Ash turned 10 on that day. All he says is "Now that I'm ten years old..." which means he could have turned 10 any time recently. The day seems to be one where numerous 10-year-old trainers are leaving Pallet - hence why Gary and the other two mystery trainers leave on the same day. Unless they're supposed to have the same birthday. --Pie ^~♪♫ 16:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Even though it is possible that he did turn 10 the night before he got Pikachu, which is chronicled in the episode itself, it is far more likely that he and the others turned ten just fairly recently, and had to wait for Oak's give-away day. --TTEchidna 06:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

In Pokémon 4ever and Pokémon Heroes, Brock says in the introduction that Ash got Pikachu on his tenth birthday. This could have been the script writer's mistake or maybe it's true. Taromon777 23:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Birth years of Ash, May, Dawn

According to this article, Ask, May, and Dawn were all born within the same year. From my own knowledge, one of the movies that took place before the Advanced Generation (or, perhaps, it was in The Battle of the Badge as stated in the article itself) stated that it had been one year since Ash set off - making him at least eleven years old if May was ten at the beginning of Advanced Generation. Later, in "Date Expectations" (AG114), Ash says to May, "There's not going to be another Grand Festival for a whole 'nother year!" If we assume the most recent Grand Festival in the anime was the one in Kanto during Battle Frontier, that means that at the end of Battle Frontier, Ash would be at least twelve, and May at least eleven. If we assume that Dawn was ten at the beginning of Diamond & Pearl, then at the beginning of Diamond & Pearl, Ash would be at least twelve, May at least eleven, and Dawn ten. This shows at least a TWO-YEAR SPREAD of birth years, even though the article says that they were all born in the span of less than ONE year. Could this be resolved please? Thank you. Ultraflame 00:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I second this. Each of them are at least a year younger then the last, however I don't want to change it without seeing more peoples thoughts on it. I also thought that in one episode it mentioned something about Misty being a year older then Ash, but I could be wrong.Can anyone else back me up on that?Ai Hikari 03:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

See the aging in the anime article for our policy on that. The only official statement we have on this issue is that Ash and May were both 10 at the start of AG despite claims of two years passing since the beginning of the series. The writers apparently don't pay attention so the logic doesn't work.

The Grand Festival argument is not valid, though. Each region's Grand Festival is a seperate competition. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Could it at least be changed to a ??? instead of 10 years ago? Or something like 10< or 10+? The thing is, even with the lack of logic or ageing, Ash has to be older than 10 because they've mentioned passing years in several episodes. The other thing is that if he's still 10 none of his achievements have existed unless the leagues are about a quarter of a year long. I also think it's odd how Misty is the same age as Ash - I would have thought she was at least a year older. This will all probably be dismissed because against no-aging rule these arguments are weak but wouldn't it make more sense if Ash's age (and birth) was left an enigma? --☆Woodland:M ☆ 22:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think Misty is slightly under a year older than Ash, maybe ten months older or something. That way they could both have been ten when the series first started, and then Misty could have turned eleven a few months later. Taromon777 23:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I also thought Misty was a year older than Ash, but maybe someone just started this and it spread into every site and fanfic, so that we all might have been wrong about it. Anyway, it must definitely be true that Ash is around a year older than May who should be around a year older than Dawn. Just add the time they need to travel. It's always like "several days have passed, and now our heros have arrived in..." Even if the anime doesn't care about aging, I think it's logic to do so. Eevee-Girl

Even if it's officially stated that "Satoshi is still 10 at the start of AG", I don't buy it. Perhaps a better way of dealing with May/Dawn's births can be listed as perhaps "10 years prior to AG" and "10 years prior to DP"? After all, it's indesputable that way. --Sato 12:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Good idea!-Billy4b2004 12:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Well.

This is the longest page on Bulbapedia, and it will continue to get longer. In addition, it's not in our best interests to separate the page into several different pages. Interesting, eh? --ニョロトノ666 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps some spoiler tags? --EmpoleonDynamite 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

2 million years ago?

Does it really make sense that "Sir Aaron tried to stop the war. He seals his Lucario in a staff" happened two million years ago? The castle is still standing. --Coolbho3000 18:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right... --ニョロトノ666 18:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes no sense whatsoever. Especially since it's dated alongside "First Pokémon existed, according to archaeology. That war showed a plethora of Pokémon. Just because it happened before Poké Balls existed, and features an ancient art doesn't mean it happened 2 Million years ago. 2 Million Years ago, Homo Erectus was just getting going. Does this mean that Sir Aaron and Princess Rin are Homo Erectus? What's more, does this mean Princess Irene is a descendant of a Homo Erectus? Such placement of Movie 8's prologue is absolutely ridiculous. Probably would make more sense alongside the Otomegasaki reference at 2000 years ago. But heck, we have no idea, so why are we labeling a timeframe for it? Smells awfully like fan speculation to me - and you know what they say about fan speculation... Satosuke 06:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

My guess it the stupid english dubs made the "2 million year ago story".They come up with all sorts of rubbish.--Solid! 04:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

One year

It should be noted that the "it's already been a year" line was dub-only. In the Japanese version, Satoshi (I believe) said it had just been a long time since they were last in Tokiwa City. The dub also makes up a few other details, like contests happening once a year.--Biccy 21:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

missing episodes

there seems to be a few episodes missing.That would have something interesting to write about Pocket Monsters

Pocket Monsters

--Solid! 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The movies also don't seem to be placed.--Trebligoniqua 16:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Chikorita had a Crush on Ash

I think this should be included because it plays role in many episodes to come. It is revealed in Once in a Blue Moon (EP 127) SinnohFan 01:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Movies?

Why are the movies not included in the timeline? Lots of inportant stuff happened like Mewtwos plot to destroy the human race, Lugia and the bird trio causing a global desater, the reawakining of a diety! So why arn't they included? EpicShadow 17:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

That's because movies are not considered canon. While you state interesting info such as with Lugia and Mewtwo, there is no true way to know whether it happened according to the anime or not. Even if so (like with Lucario and the Mystery of Mew), there is no place to put it. Notice that it's chronologically listed (timeline). So the examples you state... we don't know where to put them... ^ht14 02:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

This was copied and pasted from the trivia section of Mewtwo Strikes Back> "The events of this movie happen after The Pi-Kahuna and before Make Room for Gloom, though it premiered in Japan between The Case of the K-9 Caper and Pokémon Paparazzi." There is a chronologicle place for some of the movies, if there wasn't they woudn't post trivia like this in the trivia section for those movies. This one in particuler would fit perfectly into the timeline even if the characters don't mention it because they forgot the events that happend during their visit to New-moon Island and was later adressed in the Mewtwo Returns special. EpicShadow 17:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that how we set it up, it's by season, and thus by episode chronology; the movies are not exactly part of the season, though I understand what you're saying. But, notice how there are no events in regards to the anime specials either, with Raikou and the appearances of Ritchie, etc. I dunno. ^ht14 17:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

But Mewtwo did make a couple apperances in the anime befor the movie aired, those few clips were then used in the movie. There is evedence that he exists in the anime and that the events actualy happend. I would also like to know why the Pokémon Ranger specials are listed and why they are considerd cannon, because as far as I've seen Pokémon rangers don't exist outside of movies and specials. EpicShadow 18:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Here and here. Also, in the events of EP220-EP222, there's no evidence of Ash meeting a Lugia before. EP187 is one ep that Articuno is shown, yet Ash takes out his Pokédex, signifying he's never seen it before. Though, that evidence is lacking since there are multiple times that happens even within the anime series. ^ht14 19:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

First of all you ment Here and Here. But those episodes were also considerd specials wich goes with what I said. Also the pokedex reads multiple Pokémon multiple times as a curtisy to the veiwers who missed earlier episodes. For Articunu spicificly this makes sense because it doesn't appear often. They started making the newer characters like May and Dawn scan the already scanned pokemon because it makes more sense but they could not do this in the case of Articuno because they laked the other characters that own a Pokédex. EpicShadow 20:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

If they were specials, then they'll be outside of the season... that's what I was trying to tell you also, I'm agreeing with you about that, but you interpreted it wrong... my last statement, mind you. And, at Articuno, Ash explicity remembers Ho-Oh from 180 episodes ago after seeing it. ^ht14 22:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Birth years and such

All of it seems speculative. Like I doubt Johanna won the Grand Festival right after Jessie was born. And I don't think there was any proof of Paul being 11 other than PokeAni estimating it to be so. --ケンジのガール 12:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Is this even nessacary?

I'm sorry, but timelines are generally full of fanwanking, I really don't think this is a good idea for an article. Or at least remove the superflous "entries" like birth years.PDL 05:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Significant Events

"This is a chronological list of significant events in the anime and the episodes which they occurred in, or, for events which happened outside the series, where they happened in relation to the episodes." Many facts on this list aren't that significant... In AG002, it mentions that Ash and May arrive in Oldale Town, and that they leave Oldale Town. Not that big a deal. And in BW005, Tepig and Oshawott learn Tackle. Big whoop. Someone's gotta go through this and clean it out.--Burgundy 00:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The Beginning Of Time

The article states that Arceus created the universe, yada yada yada. It's basically assuming that the Sinnoh creation myth is true in the anime, and is citing Arceus and the Jewel of Life as it's source. Admittedly, I haven't seen the movie from start to finish, but from what I remember, and what I read in the article for the movie here on the website, that was never mentioned. --Dual 08:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Cilan and his brothers being born should be added

I mean c'mon can't we add "Cilan, Chili, and Cress were born." should we? We have the main characters and rivals birth dates as well as relatives. It's fare to add Cilan and his brothers. Grabbergirl ♥ ★ 00:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Ash's Age is Inaccurate

Every body tends to call Ash ten, but it's sort of untrue. In the begining of most of the regions in the anime, the narrator calls Ash ten but there have been a few year passing episodes, like in an episode with the pichu bros. They were celebrating pikachu's one year anniversary with Ash. This being said there have been around 700 episodes or so and lets just say 1 episode= 1 day it would amount to around a little over two years. Also I doubt every episode is one day because there are times when it wouldn't make sense for it to be day by day. For example when Lyra and Corry were traveling with Ash and the Gang and had to go it had only been about three episodes and they acted like they had been there for a decent amount of, time so they had to have been there for at least a week or so. Also there are all kinds of conspiracy theories about why Ash is still young the truth is I believe he is only around 13 or so in the latest Black and White episodes. I really haven't changed all that much since I was 10 and I'm almost 13 so why should Ash have to change. And most of the girls that Ash has traveled with are just getting their first pokémon so they must've just turned 10 recently to the first episode of the season. Meaning the characters are each at least 1 year younger depending on who they are. Misty is older though and Iris is probably around the same age. This would also explain why Iris is always calling Ash a kid. ASH IS 13！- unsigned comment from Alakazam Dan (talk • contribs)

We go by canon here. The last time Ash's age was mentioned in canon, he was 10, and we have no way of confirming exactly how much time has passed in-universe since then. Therefore, he is 10 as far as Bulbapedia is concerned. (It's also quite probable that, like Bart and Lisa Simpson, he is perpetually 10 no matter how many birthdays or anniversaries pass, simply because the writers want to keep the status quo. It's common in cartoons, and even though it doesn't make sense, it's what they do.)

As a side note, an entire year passed in the first sixty-two episodes, so if we speculated the way you want us to, Ash should be well over 20 years old by now at that rate. Plain and simple: he's a cartoon, so he doesn't age. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

MMMMMM there are too many in accurate things here I don't think I should consider this a valid source though thanx for respondong so fast been nice talking to ya i understand you guys have to go with proven stuff. - unsigned comment from Alakazam Dan (talk • contribs)

trivia worthy at least

Not exactly which episode, but in either 162-167 (original series) Team Rocket states they have been chasing after Ash and his Pikachu for years, or something like that if my memory serves me.--Elveonora (talk) 15:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Clemont's age

Clemont's age hasn't been explicitly stated in the anime yet. I've been watching the Japanese version too, and nothing. Because of that, I moved the statement "Clemont is born" to the year "???". Not to mention that since he is a Gym Leader with an evolved team of Pokemon, it seems unlikely that he is a new trainer. Mooites (talk) 02:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

About Mairin

I just want to see what other people think about this. It say's Mairin got Chespie and started her journey before the XY series began but it's heavily suggested that she began her journey some time after XY002. The evidence being she didn't have any Pokémon other than Chespie at the time of her debut, she completely lacks experience as a trainer, and she said that Professor Sycamore told her about the events of XY002 (given the stage of her journey she was obviously at, I doubt she had any reason to visit him). I don't really expect the article to be changed I just figured it was worth bringing up to see what other people think about it.

Power of Us

Just watched Power of Us and thought it made the most chronological sense if it went in the 'Gotta Catch Ya Later' section at the end of Johto below 'Ash leaves all his Pokémon, except Pikachu, at Professor Oak's Laboratory.'. I'm new here so not entirely sure how this works, if the chronology needs to be confirmed canon and haven't thoroughly checked for contradictions.Sgt.Monkeyface (talk) 00:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Previous comment

Just watched the episode I thought Power of Us would fit in, in my last post, and my idea was wrong since Ash decides to go to Hoenn straight away, so feel free to delete this post and my previous one. Thanks Sgt.Monkeyface (talk) 21:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Black and White series

Can someone add in the Crisis at Chargestone Cave that Team rocket meets bianca

and in the Curtian up unova league, * Bianca and Stephan meet each other for the first time.

• Bianca and Cameron meet each other for the first time.
• Cameron and Stephan meet each other for the first time. so remove cameron and bianca meeting under mission defeat your rival

- unsigned comment from Feelitstill23 (talk • contribs)

Possible split

This page takes hours to read completely, so maybe it can be splitted into a few pages:

EP001-EP080 (Kanto) + EP081-EP116 (Sevii Islands)

EP117-EP274 (Johto)

AG001-AG131 (Hoenn) + AG132-AG192 (Battle Frontier)

DP001-DP191 (Sinnoh)

BW001-BW122 (Unova) + BW123-BW142 (Decolore Islands)

XY001-XY140 (Kalos)

SM001-SM146 (Alola)

JN001-JN111 (Various)

CrazyPikmin (talk) 07:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the potential split

I personally don't think this page needs to be split, but if it comes to that, I think it could be done in a similar vein to the "List of anime episodes" page and the separate series episode lists: smaller pages showing different series, while the existing page still views everything. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: Re: split

I like FinnishPokéFan92 (talk)'s idea- pages per season could be more detailed (or the detailed descriptions could be appended to the episode pages such as List of original series episodes), and then there could be an overarching page which is a bit more simplified/easier to parse. I'm a fan of using iconography similar to DCMK's wiki, but I imagine it would be difficult to determine which aspects of the show are significant development, or even how we should categorize events. Current episodes have about 20+ different categories, many of which could be redundant or possibly contain spoilers (such as "Episodes with Contests" "Episodes in which Dawn loses a Contest" "Episodes in which Jessie loses a Contest" etc.). One of the benefits of listing out episodes like this is that 1. It helps new fans identify what they should watch, if they want to avoid both filler episodes and spoilers, and 2. Using symbols of different categories instead of just a "filler/not-filler" list allows fans to curate their own experience (e.g., one person might consider Go West Young Meowth to be filler since it doesn't have anything to do with gyms/championship, whereas another might consider it to be crucial character development)

Not to mention, it could be difficult to determine which recurring characters are the most important to highlight, especially since the cast mostly changes each season (whereas DCMK has a more "stable" cast).

However, I'm not sure where the best place for the pre-series timeline would be in something like that. And what I'm suggesting may not match intent of folks who wanted to split the page.AquaBlack (talk) 16:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

What's with the lack of info on events in the movies?

CuteShaymin (talk) 03:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing its because we don't know when the movies take place relative to episodes from the show. Most movies can only be narrowed down to within a range of 10 or so episodes. Minibug (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Movie events are listed in the list when they have events that are referenced in or affect the main series anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sub-articles

Here are the sub-pages (per old title, can be changed when moved) sans the Horizons page, for when the split is inevitably approved considering the sheer length of this article.

• The Beginning and GS

• RS

• DP

• BW

• XY

• SM

• JN

Edit, move, or fix whatever as you see fit. The content in these userspaced pages is up to date, as of July 28th, the day when I'm writing this message. So, do keep that in mind when editing or moving them. Adil — Talk page 12:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

What will the main page look like? Landfish7 22:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)