Talk:Kyurem (Pokémon)

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Third version

Before anyone else decides to talk about it, yeah, I'm pretty much gonna guarantee it being the mascot of BW's third version. No further discussion on this. Until we get the announcement and boxart. TTEchidna 20:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfair. I already did that.--Cold (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

What will be the name of the third game?

- Pokémon White Version Reshiram
- Pokémon Black Version Zekrom
- Pokémon Grey Version Kyurem

It could be, don't ya think?Sakas 19:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Didn't TTE just say "no further discussion on this"? That's speculation and belongs on the forums, not here. --Andy^P_K^M_N 19:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

You are bad for people. You want something related to "discussion" you'll have it: Where is the Official artwork of Ken Sugimori? Happy? - unsigned comment from SakasFixe (talk • contribs)

There is no Sugimori artwork yet for the non-pre-release Pokemon. But that doesn't belong here on Kyurem's talk. 梅子^❀_✿ 22:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Norse

"It may also be based on the Wyvern of Norse mythology, said to wreck havoc in Ragnarök, the end of the world, should it melt from the ice it was imprisoned in."

That's what I've been told. Anyone able to confirm/dismiss that? - unsigned comment from Yurtablemoron (talk • contribs)

Nope, not true. - 050294 14:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's basically what Reshiram is (minus the ice) Ataro 21:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the norsh myth theory also perhaps it has connections to Fimbulvetr? The harsh winter where men will wage ceaseless war against each other and brothers will kill each other= the two brothers using Regish and Zec sound plausible? Frosslass 12:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Overworld Sprite

I don't think this sentence in the physiology section is necessary: "It should be noted that on its overworld sprite, the left part of its overall bodyparts is somehow broken and smaller than the right part." The smaller part is correct, sure, but it isn't broken--it's just smaller because of the perspective. Same goes for its forward-facing battle sprite. At the very least, "overall bodyparts" should be changed to just "body." Phantom♫Junkie 03:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Feelings?

Out of curiosity, how is Kyurem a "Feelings Pokémon"? I think that 境界 kyoukai (boundary) would make more sense than 胸懐 kyoukai (heart/feelings). Though, there's the possibility that "Kyoukai" could be from 鏡 kyou (mirror) and 灰 kai (gray/grey/ash/griseous). 神奇超龍 08:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The in-game description, according to Veekun, is きょうかい . Compare it to Reshiram's はくよう (white yang) and Zekrom's こくいん (black yin), and we may find something. Eriorguez 06:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyurem Origin

As Zekrom and Reshiram are both based on types of energy, is it possible that Kyurem is based on Cold Fusion? --Podunk 07:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sigh... Cold Fusion has nothing to do with ice. It's a theoretical variation on a typical fusion reaction which can be done at or near ROOM TEMPERATURE. I removed this origin already, but it keeps getting added. --Andy^P_K^M_N 10:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyurem's page says that it is an extraterrestrial Pokemon. But it isn't expressly stated that he arrived on that meteor- it's only a legend, same as Clefairy. Neither is there any mention of Kyurem's name in the game when discussing it. Shouldn't it say "may be an extraterrestrial Pokemon", or something similar? Soma K. 21:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Kyurem's Tail Resembles.....

- Reshiram's Tail resembles a Jet Engine
- Zekrom's Tail resembles an Electric Generator

But we still don't know what Kyurem's tail looks like. Any ideas?Duo2nd 02:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

A Plug! look at how it's shaped and then look at the lightbulb things on it's wings Ataro 02:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't looks like one to me. :/ Duo2nd 08:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a plug to me - it's got three prongs, like this. --Poppy :3 15:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

It is not quite like that image, it does have three prongs though it looks more like one of those plastic pizza tables they use to hold the box up then a plug... felinoel 19:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Could be a bunch of icicles (imagine the tail pointing down to the ground) --Shadowater 01:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

A plug: http://www.reuk.co.uk/Dual-Powered-Lighting-Circuit.htm Scroll down to the first image. Don't Hug Lucario! 16:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks like a glacure.WWWAJG 22:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon.jp Pokedex pic

I'm thinking it would be a good replacement for the current infobox picture, which not only is tiny, but comes up all pixellated in its file description area. I can't extract from a Flash-based site or upload here, but I know there's people who can. Frezgle 19:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

National PokeDex

Other than the event legendarie, Kyurem (And Landorus), according the the guide books, are NOT required to complete the National PokeDex. Why it is like this is what I d0on't lnow, since Kyurem can be caught in any copy of B/W, and Landorus not being required is also unusual because Tornadus and Thundurus are, which both ultimately unlock Landorus anyways. Would it be worth trivia for both of them? Shiramu Kuromu 14:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

shiny sprite

Kyurem is grey and it's shiny sprite is -black and white- with the eye color being a combined version of Zekrom's red eyes and Reshiram's blue eyes, notable? Nickvang 19:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think, but wait for more opinions --SamuStar 21:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Um......

It is currently the final officially-revealed Pokémon in National Pokédex order. Huh? --K4kirin 08:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Kyurem is the last Pokémon in the Pokédex. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 08:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Keldeo, Meloettea and Genesect haven't been officially revealed to the public yet.--ForceFire 08:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

New Movie?

Oha Suta has revealed a teaser trailer for a movie, it appears that Kyurem and the Musketeer Quartet will be in it. Pokémon Movie 15-Kyurem VS. The Sacred Swordsman Teaser Trailer --Flying Bidoof 12:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• We know, its in Kyurem's 'In the anime' section. and the page is already being made: M15 - unsigned comment from AquaMaster (talk • contribs)

Ideals, truth and dreams.

Drayden told me the third one (dreams) is also in this row (so it would be Kyurem's one). Adding? Nickvang 16:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Still speculation at the moment. Better to leave it out until is is officially associated with dreams. --SnorlaxMonster 16:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Imprison Level

Do you consider it noteworthy that the levels at which Kyurem (and by extension Reshiram and Zekrom) attempt(s) to learn Imprison are 8 and 64? 8² = 64 and so the root of 64 is eight. Since the games draw some inspiration from mathematics, as seen in N, N's Themes and the boats in Castelia City this might be programmed in intentionally.

Renoir 23:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

New Forms

Looks like Kyurem gets two new forms:

RBK 23:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

It's been confirmed that the formes are Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Types are waiting for confirmation, although I've heard a couple websites saying that Black Kyurem is Dragon/Electric and White Kyurem is Dragon/Fire. --TrickyB 01:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The usual Bulbapedia protocol is to wait for official sources before we add new info. So until that happens we're gonna wait it out. --Pokemaster97 01:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Um isn't Pokemon Smash an official source?? Cuz the forms were revealed on there.RBK 01:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I've read that they will be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire respectively, but that makes more sense. We must all wait and see...--×Rsrdaman× 01:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I was referring to the types not the forms themselves. --Pokemaster97 01:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

They are going to be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire, i've just realized. Firstly, look at the new logos, they have Ice crytals with the second types color on them. Also look at the full picture there is ice encroaching all over the old B/W background. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.--×Rsrdaman× 03:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Guys... remember this page is to discuss how to improve the article, not to speculate or add your own personal thoughts on what types Kyurem's forms might be. Please take other such discussions to the forums. Thanks. --ケンジのガール 03:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's appropriate to put the artwork for the new forms in the infobox for Kyurem until we know more about them. ThomasWinwood 09:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

^this. Masuda confirmed that Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are seperate Pokémon so I'm perplexed as to why Black Kyurem is even the infobox image on the Kyurem page. Ewkay 11:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

He didn't really confirm anything but their names, the way he structured the sentence however could be taken either way. I think we should leave Black Kyurem and White Kyurem on the Kyurem page unless they come out and explicitly state that they are completely new Pokemon with new Pokedex numbers.ArchedThunder 14:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

He said specifically though that they are the names of the new Pokémon. But to reply to Kenji-girl, I'm mostly trying to apply logic to it. Im not giving random-ass guesses, but giving logical, evidence based ones, to better the page.--×Rsrdaman× 15:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

A guess is still a guess whether logical or not and it should be reserved for the forums. What we do is wait for them to tell us what they are. --ケンジのガール 19:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White. There was the same type of placeholder data for Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl." - Could an admin expand on this now, explaining how its two new forms have been revealed? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 09:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I also think it would be worth noting that Kyurem is the first Pokemon to be the version mascot of two games in the same generation.ArchedThunder 12:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh and of course editing the top of the page to say he is the version mascot of both Black 2 and White 2.ArchedThunder 13:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Until new info comes out I don't think that either of those are going to be added for now. Frozen Fennec 17:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Art Descriptions

For Kyurem's alternate formes, why does it say "Art by Ken Sugimori from Black 2", etc.? For every other released Pokémon, it says something like "Art by Ken Sugimori from Ruby and Sapphire", even for a version exclusive like Groudon. ~Enervation 21:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Mostly because I was confused by the switch. D: There would be three image switches, and two different captions. I didn't want it to end up with BW art and saying "Art from Black and White 2", and I also didn't want to be redundant and have Black White 2 be listed twice. But I have nothing against someone using both titles for the artworks. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 21:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Placeholder

In the trivia, what do you mean by "placeholder data for alternative formes"? RedYoshi 22:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem had no alternate forms in BW, when a pokemon has no alternate forms they are given a value of Zero in that "section", Kyurem had a Value of one implying that we would see more forms.ArchedThunder 22:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

splitting

I suggest splitting the article into white kyurem,black kyurem,and kyurem.But not until we know more the first two.--Supermon 12:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I think that's what we plan to do...--ForceFire 12:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

They are simply Formes, and we have never given alternate Formes their own articles before. If we do, we will be giving Origin Forme Giratina and Sky Forme Shaymin articles too. --SnorlaxMonster 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

While I agree that simply giving each form maybe a small section on the page, wouldn't Primal Dialga count as an alternate forme of Dialga? Frozen Fennec 12:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Primal Dialga ultimately counts as a separate character, not a separate form. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, alright then. Frozen Fennec 13:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Forms that appear to be the fusion of Kyurem and Zekrom/Reshiram. For all we know, they could be getting treated like entirely new Pokemon instead of forms, with their own Pokedex entries and everything. At this point it is all speculation --Shadowater 18:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you there, Snorlax! If we did give each forme its own page, we'd have to have a page for each of Deoxys' different formes, as well as Rotom, Arceus (though it technically doesn't change formes, just coloring and type), Castform, and all of the other Pokémon that have the ability to change forme, which would seriously be going WAY overboard! Pikachu9000 20:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking about that when I suggested it.I guess it is a bad idea.Except we still don't know if they actually are forms.--Supermon 22:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I know Serebii is a seconhand source, and wouldn't dream of asking you to post this on the article without anything better, but he says they are just alternate formes. --HeroicJay 23:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

They have never added a Pokemon midway through a generation. If this was Gen VI they would be advertising that.ArchedThunder 15:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

What about arceus?--Supermon 23:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Arceus was in the code for Diamond and Pearl. It was not added mid-way through the generation. Werdnae (talk) 03:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem

I thought they were not forms of Kyurems? They said it was two new/different Pokemon? Also, should you use this picture on the article, as this is what it shows in the anime? like you do with the Castform, and Rotom? [1]? AquaMaster 19:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Masuda tweeted and stated that they were called 'Black Kyurem' and 'White Kyurem'. I never heard anyone mention that they were different Pokemon. It's Funktastic~! 20:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

We hardly know anything for sure. We know for sure they're Kyurem, and that's it. They've mentioned "separate Pokémon" but if I recall, they said the same thing about almost every form (Rotom for example). So until we know more than just what they look like, and the names of the games, let's not jump any guns, sharks, etc.. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 20:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

• we should use [2] this as the main picture though, cause this is the form which is in the anime etc, can it be changed?AquaMaster 20:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

For the record, we are not simply relying on Masuda's tweets. Other things like the press releases for the US and Europe and the official teaser trailer have also called them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. --SnorlaxMonster 11:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• I think from the trailer, there was a legend which Kyurem was lent the Power from Zekrom and Reshiram under circumstances, from what I can understand, in which the Swordsman did not agree. AquaMaster 14:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Anime images

There's now anime pics for White and Black Kyurem. XVuvuzela2010X 20:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Someone who has permission (probably an admin) should add Kyurem to the "Version Mascot" category, since that's about the only thing we know for sure about these new games.SidStarkiller 22:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

New forme names

The new names for the formes have to be added into the article. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Forme Typing?

I saw on Serebii that the types for each of kyurems formes has been revealed. Aaaaaaaaaand it's the same. So what should be said about this?

They should put them down. Plus, Black Kyurem's 10'10", while White Kyurem's 11'10". Plus, both formes are 325kg (716.5lb)KirbyRider 00:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

None of that info will be added without an official source. We will not under any circumstances permit theft of information from Serebii. Werdnae (talk) 03:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

The information wasn't from Serebii, they just reported on it, here ya go. ArchedThunder 23:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

While I realise that they are images, PokeBeach are not a suitable source either. Fortunately, I was able to fine these two images on Amazon.com, which actually seem to be slightly different. 1 2. Werdnae (talk) 23:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007KWR1H6/ref%3Dnosim/bestgate-22 They look identical to me, this is where serebii and pokebeach both got it from.ArchedThunder 04:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Wendigo?

I recently say a picture of a monster called "Wendigo," a winter spirit of starvation and cannibalism. It also looks like White Kyurem. Could White Kyurem be based off it? the winter part reflects Kyurem's ice type, the starvation part could be why White Kyurem is so skinny, and the cannibalism could be why Kyurem is said to eat other Pokemon and people. Here is a picture of a Wendigo, from myexistenz.com [3] Khimerami 18:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's related to the Wendigo. The Wendigo is basically a monster from Indian legends (or so I have heard). It has differing descriptions, and I've seen a lot of other pictures depicting something different. Pringles 19:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

No, Wendingo isn't related to the Indian legends. * Pokégeek 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, that's what I thought. Or so I heard. Pringles 02:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon are based on all sorts of myths from various cultures, why should that matter? Anyway, wikipedia mentions that the Wendigo mainly possessed or transformed humans, and especially prefers cannibals. It doesn't really mention the Wendigo itself carrying off humans away to eat, which is more or less what Kyurem did. So I'm not sure if there is that much relevance. Rai Marshall 03:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Wendigo comes from North American Native legends --Shadowater (talk) 20:20, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm?

Are those ropes connecting Black/White Kyurem's generator thing to its back? Or is that energy? It's seen on the box art for Black and White 2. Pringles 22:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The spikes on its shoulders extend and go into the "plugs" on its tail. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 22:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Different cries?

If you watch the third video here: http://www.filb.de/1772 when Black Kyurem is sent out, it's using Zekrom's cry, rather than Kyurem's. Dilophosaurus Rex 09:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Definitely a different cry, but not Zekrom's hfc2X 17:10, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

White Kyurem forme change method revealed through M15 trailer?

This trailer from the official Pokémon movie website shows Kyurem using an attack involving fire, which is speculated to be Ice Burn. After use, an orange ball of energy appears within its tail, it flies upward and becomes surrounded in an orange stream of energy and emerges as White Kyurem. Since it is from an official source (however, not directly linked to the games)i think it is worth mentioning. Renoir 17:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Since we don't know if it is Ice Burn and what caused it, it is best to leave it for now. --SnorlaxMonster 11:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

White Kyurem's Picture

Should we really use White Kyurem's picture for the entirety of the page? I mean... regular Kyurem seems more neutral. DevaGolgotha 22:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Read the top of the talk page please. --ケンジのガール 22:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

warning at top of page

the warning says the change only effects the artwork, however when under White Kyurem the high changes from 3.3 meters to 3.6. You might want to change that to avoid confusion. Yamitora1 02:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Origin section

"Given that its Japanese name contains mu, it may be based on the koan mu." From the transliteration in the infobox at the top, the Japanese name doesn't seem to have "mu" in it. ~Enervation 20:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It actually does have "mu" in it. While Kyurem is the official romanization of Kyurem's Japanese name, it's actually written as "Kyuremu" in Japanese. --It's Funktastic~! 21:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

You guys have the wrong palette for Kyurem's party sprite

I'm assuming you guys used the Veekun rip. That rip uses an incorrect palette ID. Notice how the thing on Kyurem's head that's supposed to be yellow is purple on Veekun's icon rip. I checked my game, it uses a different palette than Veekun's incorrect rip, and the thing is yellow, unlike the bad rip where its purple. Here's a more accurate rip: http://www.spriters-resource.com/ds/pokemonblackwhite/sheet/37497 (scroll to the bottom to see Kyurem) Chaos Rush (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Description

It says "its tail appears to be some sort of propulsion device; exactly what it is based on is unclear, though it may be a damaged turbine". It looks like a plug, likely as a reference that Kyurem absorbs energy instead of generating it (unlike Reshiram and Zekrom) to get more power (the new formes). Metalizard (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

That is likely. Heat is a form of energy, so cold is the absence of that energy. Pardon if I sound rude, but this is discussed in the article, in the Origin section under Trivia. It does not give the exact information you pointed out, however. Kyro-Dizzy (talk) 09:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Formes have second highest base stat totals and second highest attack/special attack

Is it worth noting this, considering that it's apparently only two thirds of the full Pokemon? Or is it something that isn't worth noting at all? --Shadowater (talk) 20:18, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hourly changes in article also changing the movesets?

I noticed that as of this moment, with the article displaying White Kyurem, it's only showing the moveset for it, with no means to view the movesets for Black or regular Kyurem. I understand the point behind the alternating images to show off the different forms, but this is getting to the point where it makes the article less informative by making it impossible to look up complete information on the pokemon without checking back at three different times. I'm not even remotely familiar with how all the coding for this works, but isn't there a way that it could be set up so that all the moveset information would still be accessible via link or such for the alternate forms regardless of which one is displayed? Because speaking as a casual user who likes to be able to quickly look up information from time to time, this is frankly obnoxious. It's not just an aesthetic change- which would be fine- but actually making it impossible to view a thorough and accurate article at one time. --ACDragonMaster (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)