Talk:Generation IV

Okay, at the very least this page needs to be revamped. Right now, all of the information on the page can be found on the Diamond and Pearl page. Following the precedent set by the pages for Generations II and III, this page should include sections on "Advances in Gameplay", "Shinō Starters", "Gym Leaders", and "Other Generation IV games". Hovever, the list of new Pokémon should be removed, especially since it can be found, with annotation, on the Diamond/Pearl page. Also, the information on Shinō should be moved to a new, more complete introduction. Does anyone agree with me? Drapion 23:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we can take for granted that this page should look like the II and III pages. A new page for the complete list of the Generation IV Pokemon should be created once the games are out; for now I suggest that this list remains in the Diamond and Pearl page since it's more frequently visited than this one. --Arty2 00:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

New Developments

Should some reference be made to the article in Coro Coro about the new game coming out this year? Kochdude388 23:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. As soon as it's announced what exactly the new game is, GSDS, DPv3, or something else completely. TTEchidna 01:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Platinum

that is the confirmed title according to serebii and corocoro. Giratina will be on the box, the underground will have Wi-Fi, etc. An image of it is on Serebii.- unsigned comment from [[User:Arutoa]|Arutoa]]] ([[User talk:Arutoa]|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arutoa]|contribs]])

That scan you looked at is NOT confimred to be legit. --Shiningpikablu252 18:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

the scan isn't, but according to serebii, the title is, but serebii's been wrong before. --Arutoa 22:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Generation IV with Generation II?

I just can't understand how Generation I is contemporary with Generation III or how Gens II and IV are contemporary with each other. All I'm seeing is "Generation X is comtemporary with Generation Z" or that "Gen X seems to be contemporary with Gen Z", but where has that been proved?... I'm not saying that's not true, I'm just saying I find that puzzling and interesting. Sipulichu 00:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hoenn and Kanto take place at the same time is a weak bet, but it's mostly because you don't need a time machine to trade between the games. Therefore, they must trade at the same time. Gen 2 and 4 are contemporary because of: A. the Red Gyarados report at the start of DP (which must happen before Gold/Crystal captures/defeats the Gyarados), B. References to Elm's RECENT report on eggs, and there are more, but those are two of the big ones. Persumably, it takes 3 years or so for Pokémon to reach Sinnoh (Assuming by land, on foot) from Hoenn or Kanto.- unsigned comment from Aura-Knight (talk • contribs)

At the beginning of RBY, you have a Nes/Snes. At the beginning of RSE, you have a Gamecube. That's pretty odd, because the NES and Gamecube were released more than 10 years apart, how could they take place at the same time? The time machine doesn't necessarily indicate that RSE takes place at the same time as RBY, because since the data for pokemon was available in both FRLG and RSE, then you could freely exchange pokemon and wouldn't need an excuse to only transfer certain pokemon - unsigned comment from Edge578 (talk • contribs)

Remembering of course that the GameCube wasn't invented at the time of RBY, how could they have it in that game? The whole thing is based on a series of hunches, which is explained above. I don't see why it needs to be discussed further. — THE TROM — 20:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

As you said before, they couldn't allow GSC pokemon into RBY because they weren't programmed into the game. In RSE, they programmed all 386 pokemon into the game, so using a Time Machine Feature isn't necessary. This does not indicate the chronology of the games.--Edge578 23:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Don’t insert your comments in between other people’s that way without use the indents to make it clear who is replying to whom. Um. I guess you could technically be right, but considering that Bill invents a Time Machine in G/S/C and calls it such, don’t you think he or Celio would have said something if the Network Machine transported Pokémon through time as well as to distant lands? --LaprasBoi 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, to be fair, Trom, it’s still a NES in FR/LG. Which probably just means that it’s a hand-me-down system from the player’s mother/father/cousin/whatever, or Red/Leaf just really loves retro games.

Let me put it this way, Edge: the Wii exists now, and I still have my NES. I have at least one friend who ONLY owns an NES, no newer consoles. So, not a timeline problem. --LaprasBoi 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait, when did it say Professor Elm's report on eggs was recent?--Starlight the ampharos 13:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it is the hiker who gives you the Happiny egg in Hearthome. — THE TROM — 21:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact, I got my Happiny egg from the hiker, and this is what he says: " Hi, hi. Do you want a Pokemon Egg? They found this at the Day Care in Solaceon Town...Want to take it? This is what I heard about eggs. If you take Egg and travel with energetic Pokemon, it'll hatch. I remember someone announced that...Professor Elm of Johto maybe?" Edge578 01:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Plus, isn’t the stuff in Sinnoh explicitly stated to be 3 years after Kanto, just like Johto is? -LaprasBoi 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess not, I could not find evidence. But still... althugh I don’t think Pokémon at Pal Park get there on their own. --LaprasBoi 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The red Gyarados report at the beginning of DPP had a lake with a picture of Mount Coronet in the background. Wouldn't that mean that the Red Gyarados was found in Sinnoh? Plus, the Red Gyarados could just be a shiny Gyarados. It's not necessarily the one that you fought in GSC. The Time Machine in GSC was just a way so you could import your RBY pokemon into GSC. There was no point in making Time Machines in later games, because every pokemon was programmed into each game. I'm sure in HGSS you will be able to import any pokemon you want from FRLG. They probably ditched the whole Time Machine idea because it wasn't necessary. The Egg report is the only solid piece of evidence that Gen II and Gen IV take place at the same time, at that wasn't confirmed yet. I just don't think it's fair to assume the chronological order of the games when the only evidence we have is minor details.--Edge578 01:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The Red Gyarados was NOT found by the expedition on TV. It was just a rumor. We will find out about the time machinesoon enough. --LaprasBoi 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I was quite intrigued by the whole proposition of Gen I/III and Gen II/IV happening at the same time, but I think we should at least provide evidence and references IN THE ARTICLES THEMSELVES that support all these these claims. While the Red Gyrados and Professor Elm egg discovery does indeed imply the connection between II/IV, it certainly isn't watertight - how do we explain the presence of eggs in Ruby and Sapphire? Delta-v

Don't go taking things out of the article just yet. The main reason for the RSEFRLG timeline being one and the same is the inter-region trading with the remake games. With the announcement of HGSS, things are looking in the same direction for Generation IV. On top of the hints (not definite proof, but hints), all the evidence points to the games having the same, or a similar, timeframe. —darklordtrom 01:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd consider the fact that there's a danged NEWS BULLETIN at the start of DP reflecting the fact that the Red Gyarados is at the very least a recent event being the ultimate proof. You don't see news companies reporting on stuff six years later, do you? Gen I and III I'll give you a "maybe" on, even though due to FRLG it proves at least part is contemporaneous, but Gen IV is the one most definitely contemporary to Gen II. TTEchidna 09:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Well they didn’t actually find the thing, and there is no reason to assume this was AFTER Gold/Kris battled it at the Lake of Rage, since characters in G/S/C seemed to know about it before that. I would say Jasmine showing up is the best indicator of contemporaneity(?), since she uses her Steelix in contests, and she used to be a Rock-type trainer. --LaprasBoi 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Gym Leaders

Can I put it like the Sinnoh page? LIke a Diamond and Pearl and a Platinum gym leader chart? Here, straight from the Sinnoh page:

Diamond/Pearl

#	Leader	Type
1	Roark	Rock
2	Gardenia	Grass
3	Maylene	Fighting
4	Crasher Wake	Water
5	Fantina	Ghost
6	Byron	Steel
7	Candice	Ice
8	Volkner	Electric

Platinum

#	Leader	Type
1	Roark	Rock
2	Gardenia	Grass
3	Fantina	Ghost
4	Maylene	Fighting
5	Crasher Wake	Water
6	Byron	Steel
7	Candice	Ice
8	Volkner	Electric

So? Should I put it? I'll be looking for an answer.--DRAGONBEAST^X 02:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, because it changed. — THE TROM — 03:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I've done it. — THE TROM — 08:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Starters

I'm just wondering, do we have any physical evidence of the dark, fighting, and psychic starter trio? --MiekL94 20:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

See Coronis, or just look it up on Google. ^ht14 21:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Kanto?

recently I have been looking at some of the Kanto cities, routes and locations and many (if not all) of the pages seem to reference them as being part of generation IV? Is this just because of Pal Park possible data because that seems to hardly count as being a part of generation IV... Is there any confirmation that Kanto will be fully accessible in HeartGold/SoulSilver yet? If not, this shouldn't be assumed... -- D558 04:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Remake. Was all of Gen I Kanto accessible in FRLG? Find a place from RGBY that didn't appear in FRLG. Kanto's in HGSS, and since it's a remake it's safe to say that every place in Neo Kanto will be there as it was in GS. TTEchidna 05:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Let’s hope you’re only half-right. I could deal with Viridian Forest still having trees and the various routes not being shortened, maybe an open Safari Zone? All positive as far as retcons go, Gen II Kanto was lame. I am pretty sure that with Sinnoh being that large, they could fit a more robust Kanto right in with Johto on the DS cart. Nintendo made a number of retcon improvements in FR/LG, let’s hope they remain unafraid in HG/SS. --LaprasBoi 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Legendaries

Assuming that all rumors assumed true, then if one has gone to every nintendo event then with HGSS, (And Dongle) the only need for pal park would be the Kanto and Hoenn Starters, as every pokemon, minus the starters and legionaries of previous gens would be obtainable through some method in HGSS and Platinum. I'll run through them:

• Kanto Trio: Roaming in platinum
• Mewtwo: assumed to be in HGSS
• Mew: My Pokemon ranch
• Johto Legionaries: in HGSS (Amusing Celebi event)
• Weather Trio: In HGSS
• Eon Pokemon: HGSS
• Jirachi, Deoxys: Were done by events, Jirachi recently, Deoxys last year.
• Regis: Event Regigigas

They're outsourcing GBA games.

Atomix26 19:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It may appear so, but this remains speculation until the "assumed" legendaries are confirmed. The Eons aren't in HGSS, though, are they? —darklordtrom 21:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

They were said to roam Johto, but it was just like the Mewtwo thing: completely unsubstantiated rumor before the last round of scans were fully translated. --LaprasBoi 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Legionaries? And that’s not what the word “outsourcing” means. --LaprasBoi 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Johto Gym Leaders?

They have gym leaders in Johto, right? Coz if they do, this article should be tagged with {{incomplete}} because the Johto gym leaders section needs to be created. Silver Eevee _talk? ^contribs! 10:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Not yet.--ForceFire 10:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Gym Leader Error

It says the leader of Mahogany is Professor Oak, which is obviously incorrect.

I'd fix it myself, but the page is protected. --TW 20:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

How'd that happen. Fixed. TTEchidna 22:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Gym Leader Line-Up

Why is it that the Sinnoh Gym Leaders are in their Diamond\Pearl order instead of their Platinum order? Kingofun 13:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe they are listed in the DP order on the Pt Badge Case. —darklordtrom 23:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok

Kingofun 00:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Add please

Someone add this somewhere please, don't delete the Diamond one though. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 11:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Kanto Picture

FireRed and LeafGreen are NOT Generation IV. Someone needs to put a HeartGold/SoulSiver Kanto pic n there. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 14:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

We are still trying to find one. There is a picture of Kanto, but it is covered by the Kanto Gym Leaders. So the picture of Kanto stays there.--Midnight Blue 15:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Still hoping that some American source would give us the full map. Possibly the official NP or Prima Guide. --Maxim 15:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm against SoulSilver being the head image for Generation IV

Generation IV is mainly about Diamond and Pearl. Those are the games that launched it. The infobox colors are also in the DP color scheme. I realize that everyone likes HGSS better but those games don't deserve to be the representation of Gen IV over Diamond and Pearl. Gold and Silver had their time in Generation II. Let Diamond and Pearl have theirs. Look at Generation III's article. Ruby is the head image. Not LeafGreen.

Anyone have comments on this? --ケンジのガール 22:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

It switches between all the title screens for Gen IV games.... >____> ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 22:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

It does? LOL. My bad. I can't tell by looking at the page. --ケンジのガール 22:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to agree with Kenji though. Lugia and Ho-Oh were first featured in Generation II. Users will start freaking out and say that it's not true and subsequently remove the images in question. ^ht14 22:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)