Talk:Barry (game)

Why Damion?

The fact that Damion is based on Diamond doesn't auromatically mean that it's his default English name. So, why is he identified as Damion in this article? --Maxim 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Because he was referred as "Damion" in the game synopsis in D&P pre-release. - Mitsumasa 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where is that synopsis? Is that OFFICIAL synopsis? --Maxim 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure it is, good man. Screenshots of the game show "Damion" as one of the listed names for him (the others are Barry, Tyson and Markus). - Mitsumasa 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

But Barry is on the top, Damion is not. So, Barry has higher "value". --Maxim 15:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It's just "another" name. The order doesn't matter. Damion was used by Nintendo. - Mitsumasa 21:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where was Damion used? Because you said on the name list, but Barry's there also. So, where is it used, besides in the game itself? Did Nintendo refer to him as Damion during an interview, and can you link me to it? Do they refer to him as Barry also? - Jonah 7:06 PM, April 17, 2007

Could someone post the article where Nintendo uses Damion, and the video where it shows the list of names for the rival?--DSDark 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

We have Damion's optional Pearl names. Is he still Damion? - Jonah 2:26 PM April 22, 2007

(I have a topic about this on the BMGf, but I think I should also adress it here.) I think the in-game data should be taken at more value than even Nintnedo's word, or guides (which they apparently have used "Gary" for Blue.) That said, I also don't think we've ever deviated from using a name if the game dosen't randomize it when we enter a blank name in-game.

With Diamond being the 'primary' version, if you enter his name in blank, it comes up as "Pearl". If I'm not mistaken this is exactly how we get Blue's name in the original versions.

I'd still like to see some of Nintnedo's use of the name, regardless. --Porygon 05:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The guide is up on BT. Anyone have the pages which refer to him as Damion? --Zeta 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

He's simply called "[your] rival".--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Then I agree this should be moved to "Pearl (game)". Any objections? --Zeta 23:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I object. BTW, I thought that Blue got his name from GSC? - Jonah May 4th

Yes, I found out that I was wrong about the Blue thing. My mistake. I still think it's a working argument when compared to characters like Gold, Kris, and Silver (I'm told Crystal version gives you the name Silver by default.) --Porygon 10:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but after I got my Luxray to Lv. 100 I battled Pearl but his pokémon had reached levels above 70, should that be added?TheRampardosMaster 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Make a note of the new levels next time you battle him and post them here. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 10:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Staraptor Lv 68, Floatzel Lv 69, Rapidash Lv 69, Snorlax Lv 70, Torterra Lv 74, Heracross Lv 70 TheRampardosMaster 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

He's not lying. I checked in-game Trainer list and there is a data for such battle. Yeah. I just have a question. Where did you battle him with such team? --Maxim 10:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after I beat him at the Battle Zone the first time I decided to go to the pokémon league so I could train my lv 75 Luxray to lv 100, 2 weeks later my Luxray reached 100 and so I decided to look for Cresselia and Giratina the only 2 non-event legendaries I didnt own and when I caught them I went back to the Battle Zone to challenge him and my lv 100 Luxray was the first one in my party and when the battle started all his pokémon were stronger than before and thats all I recall doing, but if anyone is interested in seeing the match I plan on posting the battle on youtube later this week, so if anyone wants to see it contact my user page and I'll direct you to my user page on youtube, I hope this helps. TheRampardosMaster 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure your rival's level goes up because you beat the Elite Four 20 times. Or something like that. --DarkfireTaimatsu 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

His levels increase by ten after you become a 20-time champion (i.e. beat the crap of of Cynthia 20 times) File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} 12:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

In theory, this makes him the strongest NPC trainer ever! Even stronger than Red! --Angerman 07:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's because he trains and Red doesn't ^^; File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆ 11:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, in case you are under the impression that his team reaches level 100, that is false. The game data puts his final team in the 68-74 range, with his starter at level 74. This means that Pearl's team is below that of Green (Blue's Japanese name and English name in the context of FireRed and LeafGreen), whose starter manages to reach level 75 post-Sevii Islands (the minimum level on his updated team is 72). Next in line is Steven, whose Metagross makes it to level 78 in Emerald (the minimum level is 75). Last but not least (and the first chronologically) is Red, whose Pikachu remains the highest-leveled Pokémon at 81, surpassing even wild Arceus. Unown Lord 11:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh...so that means I can still beat the crap out of him after maxing out my team's level...Ph34r4ever^{Talk page♊}10:05 9 Feb 2008

10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

About the name again... isn't it a little strange call him "Pearl" when there is no "Diamond" in the games?... I still think we should call him "Barry"... - Taylor 17:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That's for the forums, not here. --Theryguy512 01:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Resemblance?

Has anyone noted that Pearl seems inspired in design from Lucas of Mother 3? Or has it already been placed on this page and removed?

Time of appearance

Well, it's currently Saturday right now, yet Pearl doesn't seem to show up where he's supposed to in the Fight Area. It's night though, which might mean he only shows up on weekends during daytime. Anyone able to confirm this? It might be worth mentioning it in the article if this is the case. --Thembi 22:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

He shows up at night. There must be something wrong with the date of your game. PL12 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

He shows up at 12:00 AM in your game on Saturday morning... provided you didn't save it in the Fight Area Friday night before turning it off or arrived in the Fight Area one minute before it hit 12. Enter and then leave and there he is. TTEchidna 03:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. I just noticed he doesn't show up for me during daytime either, however, and yeah, I've tried exiting and reentering in a number of ways, still no Pearl. I'm starting to think it might be necessary to fill some criteria in order to make him appear; any thoughts? (Also, in case you're wondering, I gained access to the Fight Area without using cheats of any kind, so it's not that)--Thembi 08:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Odd... he's always been there for me... TTEchidna 08:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... he doesn't seem to show up around Stark Mountain either. --Thembi 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You sure your game isn't just glitched up...? I don't think you have too do anything/fill in some criteria for him to appear there...I might be wrong though...Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It could be, but naturally, I'd like to at least try and find an explanation for the problem... He still doesn't appear (checked last weekend). I'm starting to wonder if this could have something to do with my first venture into Stark Mountain; I got Buck to join, but then pretty much ditched him and got out of there (resulting in him not appearing when I go back, haven't checked if I'm still able to get Heatran). Might be a bit far fetched, but it's one of the only explanations I can come up with. I also realize I've had Emerald in the DS every time I've checked for him, I'll remove it next time and see if it has anything to do with it, though I don't really see how... --Thembi 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm, Im getting the same problem, I dont see Pearl at all in the Fight Area, and its daytime right now, 12:44pm. I havent gone to Stark Mountain at all in reply to Thembi...Zolt991 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation page?

This really needs a disambiguation for Jun. I'd make one myself, but I don't know how to yet. --JennyRogue

Platinum characters

Shouldn't Pearl be included in the Platinum characters category? Platinum artwork of him confirms he appears in the game.

His Pokémon?

Should they be left as pure text, or converted to team boxes to look tidier? Edits earlier made the whole article look a mess. Gywall^(Talk) 10:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Weavile

I heard that in a new trailer for Platinum, there was a double battle between the player and rival and Flint and Volkner. I also heard that in the trailer, he owned a Weavile. Should this be noted? Garrison12795 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Battle Data

This section's REALLY confusing... ht14 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

New Name?

Since I was under the impression that Silver was Silver because both Gold and Crystal had listed that as the default name, would we call Pearl one of the ingame names if a name used in Platinum is the same default in either Diamond and Pearl? Example: They use Barry in Diamond as the first default, and use Barry again in Platinum, could that be enough to make it the "unofficial" offical name? Or whatever name it comes up with (Diamond/Pearl) if we enter the name in blank since two out of the three versions agree.

Actually since people have JP Diamond, can they confirm what his default name is again if you enter it blank?--Outrage DD 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you look at the discussion at the top of this page. --((Marton imos)) 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I did. He's called Pearl because that's Diamond's default name. We got Blue's name from GSC, and Silver's name from G/C and Kris because Crystal is the only game she appeared in leaving Gold as the only unclaimed name. However, what I am asking is what happens if Platinum's default name does not agree with Diamond but agrees with Pearl's (which I assume is Diamond). If two out of three versions would claim it as his name, that seems official enough. So I'm just wondering what Platinum's default name is. Though we consider DIamond to be the "primary" game, Pearl shares more characteristics with older primary games with its red-themed colour and Palkia being later in the dex, and Platinum's preference to Palkia's statue in Eterna city. I'm just wondering what its default name is, and that if it isn't Pearl but Diamond, would it be enough to change the article name? I guess I could check around on the forums for its default name and let the issue die if it is Pearl.--Outrage DD 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the bigger question, if the rival's name in Pt is Diamond, would be if it's supposed to be Pokémon Pearl and Diamond, rather than Diamond and Pearl. I mean, all stuff's used D/P, but... TTEchidna 22:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh also, the Eterna statue is kinda the same thing as Kyogre being in the Seafloor Cavern and Aqua's hideout being in Lilycove's cove. TTEchidna 02:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I Think his Japanese name is Jun because The Name "Jun" Is a Random name In the Japanese Versions Of D/P Pokemon94 04:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Having just got Platinum, I can say for sure that if you don't specify a name for Pearl, the game will randomly pick either Diamond or Pearl. KinCryos 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I feel kinda like a moron for being probably the main starter of this whole "Pearl" thing in 2007. I'm surprised that Bulbapedia still has his name as this. So now I'm going to argue against my old self. Apologies in advance to any OCD maniacs I "forced" to name the rival "Pearl" in their games, or write fanfics with. I did the same in my DP.

I think at this point it's highly implied his intended name is Barry. Back in 2007 Jun seemed to be just a name the fans picked up for the sake of needing a name. Whether or not it was influenced by the fans, the reintroduction of the name Barry as the first name in Plat seems to be an unusual thing that hasn't really happened with any other characters as far as I can tell. Also the anime producers seem to be very cautious about how they name characters these days, they don't seem to be throwing darts at a board anymore with this random Satoshi/Kenta stuff. They're really being careful these days. While it's true Barry (game) does not equal Barry (anime) that doesn't discount it as coming from a very important source that carefully picked the name. Anyway, I know why the name Pearl was picked - but older Pokemon games had their Official™ character names picked from the first slot in the optional name menu as well. I could go back and see EXACTLY how each of the names originated, but they have come about in many different ways. We got Leaf from what, internal coding? Anyway, summary: Name Barry is highly implied by Pokemon Co. at this point, no longer just a fan pick. We don't need to pretend to ignore the hints.

Anyway I'll gladly argue this further. I just wanted to reintroduce this discussion, as I feel I need to right a wrongdoing I have done in the Pokemon community.Porygon 19:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope. His intended name isn't Barry any more than Blue's is Gary. TTEchidna 19:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Says who? -Spideym 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The same could be said with his name "Diamond" in Pearl version almost. Since in Plat you get a randomization between the two. If Pearl was intended one would assume that his auto name in Platinum would have just ended up "Pearl". We've gotten other character names from the first names out of the list of optional names. Does the auto name really hold priority over the first name in a list that has backing in Platinum (And is the only name to return from Diamond or Pearl), and support from Pokemon themselves? This argument for Pearl made more sense when we didn't have anything else to grasp onto. If the internal data referred to him as Barry would that be sufficient, like Leaf?Porygon 21:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Calling him "Pearl" seems pretty dumb to me, considering that:

• It would mean that there should be a characer named "Diamond"
• "Diamond" seems to be as valid a name for him as "Pearl" because of Platinum
• The games stopped naming the characters after the versions during the previous generation
• The player characters are callled Lucas and Dawn
• The anime named his counterpart Barry/Jun, after abandoning the tradition of renaming the game characters (anime May, Dawn, Solana and Kellyn have the same name as their game counterparts)

Spideym 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It stays as Pearl, because it is the default name if you don't name him, same with Lucas and Dawn.--ForceFire 01:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The same could be said about the name "Diamond"! - Spideym 01:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Platinum doesn't cut it, because DP were the first sources. — THE TROM — 01:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

So? That still doesn't make "Pearl" the most used name. He was called "Pearl" in Diamond and "Diamond" in Pearl.

And the only reason why the "rival's real name is his default name in the primary game version, which is also the title name of the "secondary" game version of that generation" rule worked in RGBY and GSC was because a) The player character's default name was the primary version, and b) the "extra versions" (japanese Blue, Yellow, Crystal) used the second version's title as a default name for the rival. None of these excuses apply to DPPt. - Spideym 01:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... I would love to argue this, but all the arguments are made. He is Diamond twice, Pearl twice, and Barry twice. We don’t name Lucas and Dawn Diamond or whatnot... --LaprasBoi 14:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think his name should be one of the default names that isn't Pearl :/. I mean, seriously, in R/S/E the trio all had real names. Brendan, May, and Wally. In D/P/Pt, if the players are Lucas and Dawn, then why would the rival be named Pearl? O_o... that makes no sense. If I recall correctly, the first name in my Diamond and Platinum versions for the rival that had nothing to do with the version name is Barry. So IMO, his name should be Barry, or one of the other default names that isn't Diamond, or Pearl, or Plato. --Chaos Rush 00:37:25 (UTC)

That's because they actually HAD names in RSE. You didn't get to name them. Pearl doesn't have a set name. If the only reason we are arguing this is because we don't like Pearl for a guys name, then this is stupid and pointless. Diamond is the first game and we should go by what the default is for that game. --ケンジのガール 21:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Shouldnt We Mention...

That he is Going to Appear in the Anime Soon?- unsigned comment from Envidia (talk • contribs)

Unconfirmed.--Kkllnn blastoise 23:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Not only unconfirmed, but that would be like making part of Blue's page dedicated to Gary. TTEchidna 01:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Unprotect

Shouldn't this article be unprotected? It's already proven Jun is Pearl. Jmath 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. For all we saw in the preview, Jun is for an article. Something like Jun (anime), and not for "In the anime" in this article. --Nick., something to say? 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Jun should go in the anime section similar to Brendan, Misty and Brock. DP100 can at least be unprotected. Jmath 19:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh...this is the page for the character Pearl? Oh, I thought it was talking about Pearl as in Diamond and Pearl...no wonder why your comments did not make sense...but this just proves that the name should be changed.--^☆Tavisource 04:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Pt Arwork

I don't mean to start edit war with Matt, but he insists to replace the current image with pic 2.

• Jun Platinum.png

  1

• Junplatinum.jpg

  2

Decide for which you think is better. I say pic 1. ►Ҝəυzø8 14:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

yes, I must agree that the first picture is better. Its larger and better quality.--Clarky13 14:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ehh, Clarky, in terms of size, the second is bigger. =.= ►Ҝəυzø8 14:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, why so it is. But the first doesn't have such a giant white section around it, if that's clear enough O.o--Clarky13 14:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the first pic is better. It has no white space and the second one, at that size, seems to have some odd artifacts or whatever. At least on my screen. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I can clear it up for ya, if needed. I have the editing tools.--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 12:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Do that then.--Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 12:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Great!!!! We need the best pictures to be the best Pokémon pedia.--Clarky13 12:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

And consult Sketch or TTE before replacing the image, please. ►Ҝəυzø8 12:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Why? Is Sketch another editor in chief?--Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes... of pictures.--Clarky13 12:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

He's a graphic designer, an "image specialist". ►Ҝəυzø8 12:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I stumbled on this by accident. I can see why both pictures would be used...but I'm going to have to say 1. There's nothing particularly wrong with it...it's PNG and no matter what, even if we were to use the JPG, it would just be reduced to that size anyway. So if anything, we can hold onto that higher quality version. And upon further inspection, if that bigger image were to be reduced, the pixels compress and gives it a grainy look. -Sketch 12:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Pearl knows who his father is

Can someone change the bottom of the first section of this article. Pearl is in fact aware of who his father is when you reach the Battle Frontier in Platinum, as he specifically calls his father the Tycoon.--The Great Snorlax 04:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Leveling up in Platinum

I've beaten the Elite Four twenty times in Platinum, and his team was at the eighty level (Level 85 Starter). However, I did not see when his team was at the seventy level (Level 75 starter). Does anybody know when his level is between 65 and 85 (How many times the E4 has to be beaten)? --rockersk08 00:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Roserade knows Intimidate?

Under Sixth battle then, Last battle, then Phase 1, and under If the player chose Chimchar, Roserade has the ability Intimidate... Weird. -MasterKenobi 21:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Why do we call him Pearl, anyway?

The page was moved long ago without any reason (specified reason: "this is really dumb") by the least trustable person in the world. Why do we call him Pearl, honestly? Because SHE thought it's fitting? Come on... There is nothing that points to the name "Pearl". Except the hidden PLACEHOLDER name data in Japanese version. But the same data calls him "Cedric" in English version. And we're definitely not going to call him Cedric. The most "default" name for him is Barry/Jun - this is the name that appeared at the top in TWO games (so, it outclasses other names) and was used by other canons (anime and DPA [Japanese]). Also, the prerelease Japanese screenshots showed his name as "Jun". So, I think there's no reason to call him with a uncanonical, fanmade name "Pearl". His most confirmed name from the games is Barry/Jun/Enzo/Lutz/Alvise/Israel/Yongsik, not Pearl. The version-naming scheme is already OBSOLETE in the games. I'm wholeheartedly voting for the move. --Maxim 15:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I am against this move. We've called him Pearl for way too long, and there are too many links to Pearl (game), so it will take forever to change that all to Barry. But, probably none of you will listen to me. --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) Meet my army! 16:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not any reason. Bulbapedia should provide real information, not comfortably sticking to old beliefs (which were caused by unreasonable move). --Maxim 16:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

We can always see the what links here page to find the links to pearl (game) Turtwig A Contributions 16:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

My head hurts... but anyway, just saying, if you do move it, expect a "move war". Go ahead, yell at me. --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) Meet my army! 17:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This page is move-protected. An admin has to move that. I already messaged TTE. So, there will be no move war (unless between admins, which is impossible :P) --Maxim 17:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Why is it always me vs. Bulbapedia... well, you have my opinion. I say NO! --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) Meet my army! 17:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, it is possible for a move war between admins. --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) Meet my army! 17:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

We aren't going to have a move war. But "most confirmed name" isn't much of a ringing endorsement, is it? I'm not sure where I fall on this issue. I can say that fixing the links isn't that hard. But I'd want to get it right, whatever we do. Yes, Maxim, I'm aware that you're going to comment that by "getting it right" we must move this to Barry. No need to bludgeon me with it, I want to hear all sides. -- evkl _{(need to talk?)} 17:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

We're not calling this character Barry. You're suggesting the name "Pearl" is 100% fanon. However, it is not. Leave the custom name entry on Diamond blank, that's how this name came up.

Based on your placeholder-data evidence, the only move we would even consider making would be to "Cedric", not "Barry". Placeholder data, which is how we got the name "Leaf", is considered more name-worthy than an optional name in a list. "Barry" is no more of a default than "Clint" is. If we ignore Pearl and we ignore Cedric, then we might as well call this article "Rival (Generation IV)".

As far as I'm concerned, this page ain't going anywhere, and even if it was, it certainly would not be going to "Barry (game)". --Shiningpikablu252 01:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps it's too late to stat my opinion, but I disapprove with the move proposal. Also, Maxim, don't get so butthurt over the name. It's just a name. xD And as said, we've called him Pearl for far too long to change his name too Barry (or whatever) now. ~~Takoto - タコト 01:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sure. I want to use actual names, so I'm butthurt. Love your logic. "Too long" is not an argument. As for links, I can do it. Even by myself. Bulbapedia is not the place for fanficks. And actually Barry is the canonest name for him - the usage in media confirms it. Those "blank" names don't really matter to us, because they are different in every version. Barry, however, appeared as a top optional name in TWO versions, making it more important. Also, since Hoenn the anime uses the same name for game characters as in the games, while the version-naming scheme (still used by Special) is now almost completely obsolete in the games, used only for optional purposes. Barry is the most real name for him, regardless of what fans call him. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time that we move such a major page, would it? Also, the only reason why we call FR/LG girl "Leaf" is just the fact that there is no other pre-set name for her (aside from 17 optional names, which are completely random), not because placeholder data is such a trustable material (if it was, we would have to call Blue "Terry"). --Maxim 07:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm agreeing on the change. He's called Barry in the anime, right? And Barry is the default name. And nowhere in canon Nintendo is he referred to as Pearl, regardless of the blank input thing (because then we should name him Pearl/Diamond (Rival) ). So even if we've called him Pearl for so long, it's false information to keep it that way. CherryParanoia 06:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

It was decided already that it's not moving. Case closed. --ケンジのガール 06:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

So we're keeping false information on the site because "it's been that way too long"? Some informative site. It's like saying evolution is wrong because we've been thinking of creationism for so long, or obviously lets stop finding a cure for cancer because it's been incurable for so long. :/ Not that this is anywhere near that important, but it's still like... annoying, ya know? Hope i didn't offend anyone. ._. I'm sorry if i did. CherryParanoia 20:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

IT'S NOT FALSE!!!!!!--CuboneKing 20:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

...nice evidence there. xD CAPSLOCKS makes everything more important. O_o CherryParanoia 22:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

His name should be Barry, since both Diamond and Platinum version lists that as his default name :/. Alternatively it should be Cedric, due to unused data. I mean, seriously, the trio names are completely messed up. Lucas, Dawn, and Pearl!?!?!? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Lucas, Dawn, and Barry/Cedric would make much more sense, since Pearl isn't even a real name :/. Chaos Rush 20:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, and i offer to help change all the pages to fit. CherryParanoia 19:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I don't know if it will make any difference, but I agree with Maxim and CherryParanoia. As said, Pearl is a completely fandom name, while Barry is not. It is the most relevant game name, since it appears in two of them as first option. At the same time some can say that we do not have much reason for moving, where are the reasons to leave it as is? Maybe if someone moved Damion for Barry in the past, today we would be laughing at "Pearl". It is my opinion. -- RikkiKitsune 19:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I've got a list of reasons why Pearl is a stupid name. Anyways, somebody should just rename the article right now. Chaos Rush 21:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Pearl is his default name in Diamond. He wasn't name Pearl for the hell of it. If we are only arguing this cause some believe Pearl is a stupid name, then it's all pointless. --ケンジのガール 21:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

So? Dia is his default name in Pearl. Dia and Pearl are randomly his default name in Platinum. What's with favoring Diamond version over the other two O_o? If "Leaf" was named after hidden data, then why isn't Pearl's name Cedric? And if Cedric was named after default names, why isn't Leaf's name Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi? Seriously, that's enough evidence to prove that the way they were named is illogical. RENAME NAO! Chaos Rush 21:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Diamond is recognized as the first game of the fourth generation. It's while all the DP sprites have the letter D in them and not DP. --ケンジのガール 22:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, what? Diamond and Pearl were released on the same day, obviously. And sprites are graphics, not letters O_o...Chaos Rush 22:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It is Diamond and Pearl. Not Pearl and Diamond. --ケンジのガール 22:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean one should be favored over the other. They're both the same anyway. Answer these questions:

1. Why is "Pearl" named after the old obsolete naming system while Lucas and Dawn aren't?

2. Why is "Pearl" named after his auto-default name when "Leaf" wasn't?

3. Why is "Leaf" named after the hidden data name while "Pearl" wasn't named Cedric, which is also the hidden data name?

4. The hidden data says that their names are Lucas, Dawn, and Cedric. Explain why you guys chose "Pearl" instead of Cedric, even though Cedric would fit in better.

Chaos Rush 22:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1. We find out Lucas's name by playing as Dawn. We find out Dawn's name by playing as Lucas.

2. and 3. were answered on Blue's talkpage.

And I unfortunately don't know the answer to 4. :( But I'll bet that somebody here does...--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 23:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1 and 2: Lucas & Dawn are the dummy data, as their dummy names are used when they're not selected as the player.

3: Because Leaf was her dummy data name as a hidden trainer.

4: Can you please give some proof that Cedric is Pearl's hidden data name? You keep stating it with no proof. --ケンジのガール 23:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

@Chaos Rush:Weren't you one of the guys who wanted it moved to Barry? Why Cedric now?--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 23:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

If this works for everyone... http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dp/guides/trainers.php If I'm not mistaken, that's a rip of all the game's trainers, right? A certain "PkMn Trainer" by the name of "Cedric" has the teams for our pal Pearl/Diamond/Barry/Jun--Purimpopoie 23:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't care if it gets moved to Barry or Cedric. As long as it's not Pearl, I'm fine. And many people said above in this page that Cedric is the name for the rival, just like how you guys claim to find Leaf like that. Where's your proof for Leaf then? Cedric was just posted by the user above me. If I need to post proof for Cedric, then I could easily take what one of you said above, "Can you please give some proof that Leaf is FR/LG Girl's hidden data name? You keep stating it with no proof". Chaos Rush 23:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you answer the question first. Don't try to turn this around on us. "Many people say its Cedric" isn't good enough. --ケンジのガール 23:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

What question? I wasn't "turning this around". I was responding to the previous reply about proof. What's your question then? How is Leaf good enough while Cedric isn't, if Leaf and Cedric are both "hidden" names?Chaos Rush 23:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

If I may interrupt again... Leaf's name is listed here: http://www.upokecenter.com/games/fireleaf/fltrainers.php as "Player Leaf". It also lists the Rival as "Terry", but Blue's name was used in GSC, so he has a "better name" than something dredged up from the game's programming.--Purimpopoie 23:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Still, if a recent proposal to go through with this "Pearl" to "Barry" move does indeed go through, which I hope it does not, then that would be a pretty stupid move. If we were to go through with that, then we'd have to move "Blue" to "Gary" on the exact same token. Games =/= anime, people! --Shiningpikablu252 23:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Dude, there's way more evidence that points to his name being Barry than Pearl. It was the first choice in both Diamond and Platinum, and (even though the anime doesn't count for too much) it was also his anime name. If Dawn's name is the same in both game and anime, then Barry is most likely the same. The only evidence for his name being Pearl, is that if a name isn't chosen in Diamond, his name'll be Pearl. But it's crappy evidence in my opinion because in Pearl, his name'll be Diamond, and in Platinum it's either one. As for Blue, there's one key evidence that points to his name...they freakin said that was his name in Gold/Silver/Crystal/HeartGold/SoulSilver. That's really all the proof we need, but lets not forget that that was also the first choice in Pokemon Red and Yellow. Anyway, I'm glad the decision was finally made to change his name to Barry. --Kirby Phelps (PK) 2:17, 8 March 2010

Platinum Backsprite

I noticed that the DP backsprite is on the page, however his Platinum backsprite is not there. It needs to be added. --Nathan2055^talk 18:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Tag Battle

I just realised! Does no one have data on his team for the tag battle with Volkner and Flint? Could someone find it and stick it up maybe? It might be the same as his Survival Area team but Idk. Lucadan ^(Talk) 14:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Pearl

Shouldn't there be a link to Pearl from the Adventures on this page since he's a counterpart to Barry? --Ggb81 02:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Um..there is. In fact I see two of them Ataro 02:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Teams

Is there a reason Barry has a seperate page for his D/P teams? It seems a little... odd. Ikarishipper900 22:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Due to the number of teams that rivals have in each game, their pages can exceed the template include size in only a small number of games with the current templates. Werdnae (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

.....I didn't quite get all of that last bit. The teams won't all fit on his page? Ikarishipper900 18:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Each page can only have a certain number of templates, and there are a lot of templates buried in the party tables. So if you have too many, it exceeds the limit, and any further templates past the limit stop working. Werdnae (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. Thank you for explaining! :) Ikarishipper900 03:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Quotes

I am about to restart my Platinum game, and help with the quotes, but I do not know which one to edit in. There are 2, but they seem to be the same. Are they different depending on game? Which one would be Platinum quotes? Chocos0 06:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)