Talk:MissingNo.

Due to special coding in place in the article to illustrate Missingno.'s forms, certain displays will change showing Missingno. as though it has an index number of B6 and is in Red or Blue version, therefore being a Bird/Template:Type2 Pokémon, in its Kabutops fossil form. This will only affect the sprite shown in the infobox, the type showed in the infobox, the type-themed color displays, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, the learnset entries which are unhidden, and the evolution (form change) which is unhidden. This changes every day, so when the time comes, click here to return to the page and change the display.

Previous discussion

Archive 1 (2 October 2005 - 25 October 2009)

Split

Missingno. (Red/Blue) and Missingno. (Yellow) are very different from each other. They should be separate pages. Compare [1] and [2]. Also compare [3] and [4]. --SnorlaxMonster 11:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a tag for this? Because I can't find one. --SnorlaxMonster 05:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

No. It's still the same glitch, it just manifests different effects in different games. —darklordtrom 06:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's really as different as 'M and 3TrainerPoké, other than the fact that they have the same name. The stats are completely different, Yellow's types are Normal/Glitch whereas RB's types are Bird/Normal, Yellow's Starting moves are Water Gun, Bind, Pay Day whereas RB's starting moves are Water Gun, Water Gun, Sky Attack.--SnorlaxMonster 07:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

We count Missingno.'s Yellow version counterpart as an alternate form here. It's the same species. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 14:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

But that would make 3TrainerPoké an alternate form of 'M. The only difference between the relationship of those two, and the relationship of the two Missingno.s is that the Missingno.s have the same name. --SnorlaxMonster 06:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

And that difference makes all the difference. They're the same species, just as Sandy Cloak and Trash Cloak Wormadam are the same species, or Normal and Defense Deoxys. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 12:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

OK fine, but is there any way to have both Bird/Normal and Normal/999 in the top box? SnorlaxMonster

More rumours

Not mentioned on the rumours page is a theory about missingo's origin and why cubone and marowak seem so similar to kangaskhan. The theory is easy to believe even if it comes from a 4chan post. see [5] for a screencap of the argument. --Iain7 23:45, 17 December 2009 (GMT)

There are quite a few problems with that theory, the first being that its speculation and does not belong on the article. Secondly, I don't think it is that complex or time consuming to delete an evolution. Also, Missingno. is completely unrelated to both Kangaskhan and Cubone. Also, if you look at the Hex list, you'll see that Missingno. has multiple index numbers.--SnorlaxMonster. Help here 00:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Can Yellow Missingno. replicate 128 of an item?

I read somewhere that Missingno. in Yellow can replicate 128 of an item, but elsewhere that it cannot. Which is true? Blueapple128 17:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

First another question, can Missingno. (in either game) replicate items when encountered using the Mew glitch? If no, then it cannot. If yes it might be able to. --SnorlaxMonster 06:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, found the answer here: http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,5904.0.html. When encountered through the Mew glitch in any of RBY, it will still duplicate items. However, it will only do so in Yellow if the game doesn't freeze. Apparently it will always freeze in an emulator since it can't detect the glitchy game code properly, unlike a cartridge which has a small chance of not freezing. Blueapple128 03:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Name Capitalization

Just wondering, why is MissingNo. spelled with a lowercase N in the article? It doesn't make sense. The "No." is obviously meant to be a separate word from "Missing", so it should be capitalized, just like what has been done to many names of moves and items in Generation IV. Now, before you say "But it's never been officially spelled like that!", it's also never been officially spelled with any lowercase letters, just in all capitals, so the current capitalization that you're using can't be considered officially correct, either. "MissingNo." with a capital N is the most logical capitalization, so why not use it? Also, using the current article's capitalization is just encouraging the common mispronunciation "Missing-No" instead of "Missing-Number", how it should be pronounced. —Tyeforce 07:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Based on what you just said, your version of the capitalization is no more correct or incorrect than this one. This one just looks better. And based on the fact that nobody's changed it back in the months since I moved the page to this name indicates that the vast majority of Bulbapedia would agree with me. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 12:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps even MISSINGNO. would be a better location. But for now, this location is fine. --SnorlaxMonster 12:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

But although the game refers to the 30 odd variations of these glitches as just "MISSINGNO." that doesn't mean we need to change the article names of Pikachu, Bulbasaur and Mewtwo to PIKACHU, BULBASAUR and MEWTWO either. We are a Pokémon encyclopaedia, not a Pokémon mechanics encyclopaedia. I can confirm though that Nintendo does refer to these glitches as "MissingNO" here [6] --Chickasaurus 12:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

We don't capitalize the Pokémon names because that's not the right way to spell them. They're in all capitals in the main games, but that's just because that's always how been. I'm sure they would have changed the capitalization format for Pokémon names in Generation IV if it weren't the Generation III compatibility (because that would look extremely weird if all the Pokémon you caught in your DS game had proper capitalization, while any Pokémon you migrated from your GBA games would be in all caps). We've seen Pokémon names spelled with correct capitalization in official places outside of the main games themselves, so it's safe to assume that the correct spelling of Pokémon names isn't in all caps. And you could take Nintendo's quotes as evidence, but they contradict themselves in the spelling. First they call it "MissngNO" with a capital "NO" and no period, and then they call "MissingNo", with the O being lowercase and still no period. Obviously, there's supposed to be a period in its name, so Nintendo's spellings of the name in that particular instance can't be correct. But even if it's not 100% correct, it does provide evidence that "Missing" is separate from "No." and should be capitalized to show that. Think of how some items and moves are spelled in Generation IV that were previously in all caps. SquirtBottle, SolarBeam, DynamicPunch, etc. It's just the most logical way to spell the name. —Tyeforce 15:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a lot of things do use the camelcase to separate two words, but then Pokéwalker and Pokédex come up (there are other examples, but that's off the top of my head). Anyway, we won't be calling it MissingNO., but the rule here is that allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun. But when we're quoting the game we keep the original case (as seen in the Pokédex entries). --SnorlaxMonster 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokéwalker and Pokédex are made up words, though. They're not two separate words fused together, like Missing and Number. "Missingno." just looks plain weird. It just looks better when written as "MissingNo.", and it implies that it's "Missing Number", not "Missingno". —Tyeforce 05:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokéwalker is more two words than Pokédex, but you also have Pokégear. Anyway, allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun unless otherwise specified. And to me, MissingNo. looks much weirder than Missingno., plus saying that a word looks funny is no excuse. --SnorlaxMonster 08:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(resetting indent) But the "Poké" in those words isn't a real word. Typically, words that being with "Poké" just flow together as a brand new word, without any capitalization other than the "P", like Pokémon, Pokédex, etc. Either that, or the "Poké" is a separate word and is followed by a space, in the case of Poké Ball, etc. But anyway, yes, I know that we can't change the spelling based on opinion, which is why I gave another reason; spelling it "MissingNo." implies that it's "Missing Number", not "Missingno", as many people think it is. That, and the fact that Nintendo has spelled it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo", in both cases capitalizing the "No." part. —Tyeforce 14:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The Nintendo part does however seem unreliable due to the inconsistencies as well as lack of period after MissingNO and MissingNo. This discussion will not be enough to move a page on such a well known topic, especially a featured article, but since an official source decided to separate the two with camelcase, it should be moved. I suggest you take it to the editorial board to see what they think about it. But I do agree with you that "MISSING" and "NO." are separate and that "NO." clearly stands for number, it may not be appropriate to assume that it should be separated by camelcase. --SnorlaxMonster 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we could have some sort of community poll? —Tyeforce 01:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia is not a democracy. It's a policy somewhere. Anyway, you can make a poll and have people say why they think so, then the EB will review it and decide from their. I have made one below --SnorlaxMonster 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Moving

Sign and say why you think it should be moved, kept here. If you vote "move it somewhere else" say where you want it moved to.

Keep it at Missingno.

• Nintendo hates Missingno., so their capitalization of it can hardly be called official. Besides, I think they just spell it "MissingNO." to emphasize the word "no" to subconsciously deter us from abusing the glitch. Plus, it'd look really weird that way. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 19:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
• Yeah, I agree, Nintendo can't be trusted in this case. CuboneKing 23:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
• Me too. - unsigned comment from TORTERRA (talk • contribs)
• I agree. Nintendo didn't intend for it to be there, so it isn't really an official source. It just wants to get rid of it. Also, I've seen Missingno. used way more. Another thing, please sign your comments with ~~~~.Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
• the no stands for numberarceusLX leveled up! 01:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
• Agreed --veggieman (leave a message after the click?) 22:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
• I think MissingNo or MissingNO or whatever looks weird. I say keep it.--TrickyB 19:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Here are my thoughts on the matter (and I apologize for the length; go to the bottom for the TL;DR version):

• First of all, Missingno.'s only TRUE official name is "MISSINGNO.", and thus both fan-created lower-cased names--"Missingno." and "MissingNo."--are technically incorrect. As such, if the article MUST be moved, it should be moved to "MISSINGNO." versus "MissingNo."
• Furthermore, "Missingno." has since become this glitch's proper name to mostly everyone, versus being completely understood to be the abbreviation of "Missing Number" (just as "Feraligatr" is understood to be "Ferali-gator" and not "Ferali-gatt-are"). That is to say, I don't think I've EVER heard anyone refer to it as "Missing Number" but rather as "missing-know". But while I'll admit I haven't heard EVERYONE, even "MissingNo."'s supporters aren't referring to it as "Missing Number" but "MissingNo.", which I feel supports the idea that "Missing-know" has become its proper name.
• Also consider that spelling it "Missingno." has precedent with other Pokémon names, such as Nidoking, Feraligatr and Farfetch'd, which are referred to by those names, versus by what is "obviously" their "real" names: "Nido King"/"NidoKing", "Feraligator" and "Farfetched"/"Far Fetch'd"/"FarFetched"/etc. The thing is, despite their names being based on two words and/or abbreviated for whatever reason (complete with punctuations), we accept those "incorrect" names as the PROPER NAMES for those Pokémon and spell them with only the first letter capitalized.

As such, MISSINGNO.'s proper name is NOT the phrase "Missing Number", it is simply "Missingno.". And just like the apostrophe in Farfecth'd's name which is now part of its identity and not to denote that its "real" name is "Farfetched", the period in Missingno.'s name is likewise simply part of its identity, versus used to denote an abbreviation. (Er, well, Missingno.'s name was definitely based on "missing number", just as Farfetch'd's name was based on "far fetched"... I'm not saying that it is. However, it doesn't MEAN "missing number", just as Farfetch'd's name doesn't mean " far fetched", and no one refers to Farfetch'd as "Far Fetched".)

• TL;DR: Missingno.'s proper name IS 'Missingno." and not "Missing Number" (especially considering few people actually refer to it as "Missing Numver"). Therefore, the article should remain at "Missingno.". But if it MUST be moved, then it should be moved to "MISSINGNO.", which is its true and official name.
• I hope this adds to the debate, and I expect the Bulbapedia staff to make the best decision..... which is to leave the article as it. :3 -- Nick15 19:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I think MISSINGNO. is certainly a decent option, but the reason this has been brought up is the fact that "MissingNo." is not a fan name. The only official use of its name capitalized the "N" in all uses, while "issing" was always lowercase. 3/4 usages capitalized the "O", but the fandom uses "MissingNo.", never "MissingNO." (so there is a fan-generated aspect to it). MissingNo. was more common in the fandom, but since we moved it to Missingno., we influenced the fandom, making "Missingno." fall into more common usage. --SnorlaxMonster 03:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

• MissingNo. is not the way to spell it. As someone else said, we have Nidoking, but has anyone ever debated that it is spelled NidoKing? Of course not. This is the main reason I believe this should stay as Missingno. ~ mpgiii

We also have Ho-Oh. Just because one thing isn't doesn't mean nothing else is. --SnorlaxMonster 12:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

• Missingno. is a perfectly fine name. In the older games, where everything was WRITTEN LIKE THIS, we still knew that PIKACHU was really Pikachu. Ninendo's thing about calling it MissingNO. was probably inaccurate, due to the fact wha they were saying was inaccurate. Unless one of the editors is Billy Mays, we shouldn't move it to MISSINGNO. We also shouldn't move it to Nintendo's inaccurate MissingNO., MissingNO (No period), or any other names. Missingno. is fine. --Poatogurl • Talk to meh! 20:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Move it to MissingNo.

SnorlaxMonster 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC) - Nintendo has officially referred to it with a capital "n" in every case, despite other inconsistencies, also stands for Missing Number.

I agree with what many others have said: MissingNo. is a reference to "Missing Number." To have it written in the current format of Missingno. suggests that it is a word of its own or a single word, rather than a contraction of the two words, "Missing Number." Also, Nintendo has officially referred to it as MissingNO. Besides, it's a matter of basic English more than anything else; considering the fact that Nintendo doesn't really consider this an official Pokemon, we can't really go to them for the way it should be written, nor can we competently search for sources on the matter.--Aureol 07:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Tyeforce 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC) - I'm all for the move, as I have stated here.

I agree with Aureol. What else is No. supposed to be? --Valorum27 22:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

But Missingno. IS a word of its own- the name of a Pokémon. Beedrill is made up of the words bee and drill, and yet we don't spell it BeeDrill. Besides, how do we do this with anything else? We spell it with just the first letter capitalized until OFFICIAL AND RELIABLE sources contradict this! The garbage source SnorlaxMonster gives us means nothing, as it also says that capturing Missingno. is harmful to your game and to fix the graphic scrambling, you have to release Missingno., and if that doesn't work, to restart your game! Bull****! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 22:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Beedrill is a name that is always spelt Beedrill by official sources (or BEEDRILL on other occasions). Some Pokémon like Ho-Oh are capitalised mid-name, because that's what their names are. All official sources use a capital N; there are NO official sources that use "Missingno.", or anything that is closer to "Missingno." than to "MissingNo.". Regardless of reliability, it is all we have, so it's what we use. If Nintendo/Game Freak/The Pokémon Company International came out and spelled MISSINGNO. differently, we would use that.--SnorlaxMonster 14:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree it should be moved to MissingNo. based on spellings from official sources.--Nintenfreak 02:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you not been paying attention? There IS no official source. Closest thing we have is one page where it's capitalized 2 different ways! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 10:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you haven't been paying attention. It's OFFICIAL, but not overly RELIABLE; however, more reliable than nothing at all (which is the official sources for its current location).--SnorlaxMonster 12:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

"Not overly reliable" is an understatement. It has two different capitalizations on the same friggin' page! And which of those are you considering for this page, anyway? MissingNo or MissingNO? They don't even add the period at the end, which is undeniably part of the name, in either instance. They don't even spell the name correctly, and you want to use one of their two contradiction capitalizations as Missingno.'s official name? I don't think so. And SnorlaxMonster, why are you all of a sudden so for the move? In the section above, you spoke against the move. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 13:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I was against the move before, but I changed my mind and saw that it was more reasonable to go by official sources than to assume. Sure they don't use the period at the end of the name, but I'm not suggesting we move it. I suggesting that we go by the ONLY official source there is. There is no reason to leave it at Missingno. when we have a source (and Wikipedia) spelling it MissingNo. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

We're going by a source that contradicts itself by using two different capitalizations.... and Wikipedia? The same Wikipedia that decided that not all Pokémon were notable enough for their own articles? The same Wikipedia that some bum off the street can edit? The same Wikipedia that once claimed that Woodrow Wilson invented dental floss, for several consecutive months? THAT Wikipedia??? Not to mention, your source also claims that the only way to fix the glitched graphics Missingno. sometimes causes is to release it, and if that fails, to restart the game. Says absolutely nothing about looking at another Pokémon's stats. So let's see... Your basis for moving the page is, number one, a source that offers two different capitalizations of the name, which are, for all intents and purposes, misspelled in every instance, and gives false information on how to fix the glitched graphics, and number two, an online encyclopedia that any old bum off the street can come in and edit. When I was in high school, they NEVER allowed us to use Wikipedia as a source for reports. They were always very specific about that. And that source? It's like trusting a small-time fansite that's "revealing" a trick to obtain Pikablu or some PokéGod. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 11:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Per nom 欠番 14:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that "Missingno." should be moved to "MissingNo.". A lot of things about this issue were talked, in addition to those things I'd like to add this: some people would said it should be better to move it to "Missing No." because the name doesn't has separation because of the 10 chars space... But... Nintendo wrote MissingNo and MissingNO without the dot, what gave them the chance to write it with the space between Missing and No, but they choose not to do this, that is clearly a way to show us there's no such space separation. They predicted we would discuss MissingNo. name right now and left a hidden message to us: "there's no separation, look here, even with the space left of the dot we haven't wrote it separated!" ;) AND MORE: one time they wrote it MissingNo and just after it they wrote it MissingNO, which was a mental pulse of the writer, a way to mask us that Nintendo doesn't cares about MissingNo.: by leaving the last character of what they wrote one time uppercase and in the other time lowercase they meant "we don't really care about MissingNo. we just write it like we don't care if the o turned out uppercase or lowercase". The uppercase N doesn't changes in the two writings. And my conclusion is that's why it should be called "MissingNo." and no other thing. ^^ From someone who doesn't cares about this discussion but UnderstaND --Rafaelluik 06:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Or they should call it Missing#!--Ethan brendan lucas 19:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to MissingNo. because that's how I've always thought of it. In fact, before coming to the Missingno. page today I had never seen it written any way except "MissingNo." I♥Togetic 05:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Since Nintendo only refers to it as "MissingNO" and "MissingNo" i think it should be moved to either one of these (though i would prefer to use "MissingNo"). I mean, keeping it at "Missigno" is retarded since no official source mentions it. (If "www.Nintendo.com/support.Nintendo.com" isn't considered as an "official source" then i don't really know what is). (Yes, i know this topic is kinda old, but i don't really give a crap and if you really read what i wrote, you will understand why) -.- MasterZeroFlash 18:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Move it somewhere else

Obviously it should be moved to MISSI░░N░▒▒FU▒▒▓▓▓▓ 梅子^❀_✿ 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't be MissingNo, that's too depressing. MissingYes, however, is definitely better, don't you all agree? LocoforLudicolo 22:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The 'no.' in MissingNo. means 'number'. Missingno. should be moved to MissingNo..--TepigROX! (The Tepig can TALK!) 12:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The official source that admits the existence of this Pokémon spells it MissingNO, so that should at least be considered. It's suspect, though, because it forgets the dot at the end of the name. callforjudgement 02:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The thing about that source is that it spells it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo". While both omit the dot (which we will not remove from the name), they both capitalize the 'N'. --SnorlaxMonster 02:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

While we're at it

Let's move Ash's Pikachu to Ash's PIKACHU. After all, all instances of species names are in all-caps. TTEchidna 01:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I have official merchandise which refers to them as Proper nouns rather than allcaps. --SnorlaxMonster 02:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't move this page

What is the point of it? It's just one letter turned to caps, isn't it? Why don't we just make the 8th letter in every article capital? Breawycker 17:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Because MISSING and NO. are separate words. --SnorlaxMonster 07:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Unless official sources that care back you up on this, no they're not, not in this case. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 12:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

This is the official source that specifically separates the two words. Also, while not an official source, Wikipedia is generally tough on accuracy and verifiability and look at their article on MissingNo..--SnorlaxMonster 09:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, why is this a special case assuming there is no source? If there is no source, shouldn't we go to the format that clearly states its meaning as "Missing Number," rather than go to a name that suggests it means something else entirely? According to the way we write, MissingNo. = Missing Number, while Missingno. = some other abbreviation, where "Missingno" is a part of that abbreviation. While, if we wanted to be perfectly correct, we would go and write it out as "Missing No." or "Missing Number," but MissingNo. is far more correct than Missingno., and MissingNo. is recognizable enough. While most of us would see Missingno. as the glitch we're discussing, someone who wasn't aware of Missingno. would look at the name and might not be able to find what it means, while it'd be much easier to deduce that MissingNo. is actually two words instead of one.--Aureol 22:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It's name is one word, if only due to the 10char limit for names. Same reason Feraligatr and Victreebel aren't spelled "Feraligator" or "Victreebell" anywhere, least of all here. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 20:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. Its name is Missing + Number, as confirmed by the Japanese name. MissingNo. is the two words forced together to fit the 10 character limit. Nintendo illustrated this fact by capitalizing the N in No. every time that they referred to it. For the same reason, we should too. Feraligatr and Victreebel are spelt like that everywhere, and Nintendo has always referred to them as such (anime, manga, games, TCG, TFG). MissingNo. has only ever been referred to with a capital N. --SnorlaxMonster 11:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

But there's a difference. Nintendo doesn't care about Missingno., so they wouldn't care about how they spelled it, would they? Besides, they spell it "MissingNO.", which I think is their not-so-subtle way of trying to dissuade people from going after it. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 18:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

That is some terrible speculation. Capitalizing NO is MISSINGNO. does not mean that they are trying to say "No" subliminally to discourage the use of the glitch (if that's what you're trying to say, without ever actually saying it). As for "Nintendo doesn't care about Missingno.", if they did not care about it then they would never have mentioned it. And even if they did not care about it, that would not impact on whether or not they choose to capitalize it in a certain way. --SnorlaxMonster 12:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, as it turns out, your "official source" is unreliable, so why should we trust it? First paragraph spells it "MissingNO", second paragraph spells it "MissingNo". Neither one adds the period at the end of Missingno.'s name. Unless we get something consistant and different from a reliable source, the article should stay as is. And as if that weren't enough, this same so-called "reliable" source also says that restarting the game is the only way to fix the scrambled graphics Missingno. causes sometimes. And that the flashing screen happens with burns and freezing as well as poison. Yeah, I don't think so. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 23:04, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

While it is true that it inconsistent, does not use a period and is not very reliable, it is much more reliable that assuming. The "O" changes, but there is always a capital "N". Unless we find a reliable source that uses something other than a capital "N" in "NO.", then the article should stay at the more accurate, logical and official location. Nintendo most likely didn't bother doing a large amount of research into solving the glitch (due to the age of the game), and simply told people to do the obvious approach. --SnorlaxMonster 02:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Just leave it here, that is the easiest thing to do. Besides it is just a letter.--theMEWTHREEspy 16:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

We don't work on ease, we work on accuracy. It would be easier to just read Bulbapedia, but we choose to edit. --SnorlaxMonster 13:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes I agree, we should move it if it's needed, but is it really needed?If something else is more accurate than Missingno,move it, otherwise leave it.--theMEWTHREEspy 20:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

yeah, TMS is right. one letter doesn't make a difference.but i don't want to get sucked into this fanwar, so i'll leave it at this: if a featured article loses its featured article award after it's moved, don't move it. it's just one letter and it wouldn't be a featured article anymore. but if it would stay as a featured article after moving it, go and move it.----TepigROX! (The Tepig can TALK!) 12:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

No, moving does not affect featured status. --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The article tends to focus too much on one index number of Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow

Although variations of glitch Pokémon which use the name "Missingno." do indeed exist in Pokémon Yellow, this does not mean that there is just one index number of Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow. Different Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow commonly use different sprites, different base stats, different cries and have completely different movesets. Not all "yellow Missingno." are of the 999 type either, I think this article needs rewording to address that problem, its not as if there are 5 distinctive forms of Missingno. there are in fact (39*2) in Red/Blue and Yellow alone, not including different language games. --Chickasaurus 12:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

You raise a valid point. However, new comments go at the bottom of talk pages. That said, you are right. We do need information on the other Yellow Missingno. formes... - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 13:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks. --Chickasaurus 13:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

i dont know how to make a new section but when used a gameshark code to make it appear in the wild i caught it then it turned into a rhydon why??arceusLX leveled up! 01:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the internal error trap (as Rhydon has an index number of 01) for when the game brings up a new Pokédex entry for an invalid Pokémon. Try capturing it again, so that the "New Pokédex entry" interface doesn't pop up again. --Chickasaurus 14:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Some possibly helpful questions

1. It seems the list of characters in a player's name that can trigger Missingno.'s various forms is not exhaustive. Does anyone know what Pokemon would appear when one of those characters is used in the appropriate spot? It might be useful to have this information in the article, even if it's just a simple "having other characters in these positions will not produce Missingno. but, instead, some other Pokemon to appear".

2. The next one is more of a general programming question regarding this comment: Due to the limited space in the Game Boy memory, the programmers decided to use the space where data for wild Pokémon found in the grass is stored (which is completely blank in Viridian City; only Surfing and Fishing data is used) to save the player's name temporarily. Are there any other circumstances where a player's name has to be stored into this space? Starscream 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

1. This page should actually list less of that. That is the old man glitch. Missingno. is one possible result, so most of this info should be moved there and this to link there as a main article. In addition, Missingno. can be found via the Mew glitch, but this section only explains how it works via the old man glitch. I will fix this after replying.

2. No, not in Generation I. If there was, that would have been exploited a long time ago. --SnorlaxMonster 06:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

2. Regarding surfing on land strips, there is another process which could be exploited legitimately, although it is less practical than entering an Old Man battle. It is possible to make a trade within Cinnibar's Lab (as name data is stored within the RAM and recalled after trading) and then surf along any 'coast'. There are several other processes, but realistically unless messing with the RAM itself (e.g. save corruption, select bugs) they would require an external device, e.g. Professor Oak's battle mode used for catching the starter Pikachu and then surfing along a coast without encountering another Pokémon. --Chickasaurus 16:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Missingno.'s exp. group?

For such a well-known glitch, I'd think that there would be some sort of investigation on this. Is there such a levelling formula? Ztobor 03:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not a topic of focus when discussion glitches, but from screenshots that I've seen, it appears to be the formula that yields 1000000 at level 100 (like with most Pokémon). Ultraflame 04:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Name

This page should be moved to its redirect page. - unsigned comment from Ethan brendan lucas (talk • contribs)

We've been discussing it here. --ZestyCactus 15:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Make a verdict already!

Okay. If you want to move it, put your name on 11.1. if you don't, add your name on 11.2. I'll count up the votes and see if we should move it. Finally.--Ethan brendan lucas 23:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Umm... that's not how it works. Regular users can't just put an article's future status up to a vote. It'd need to be staff if the vote is to have any real authority. --Andy^P_K^M_N 01:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

oh.--Ethan brendan lucas 19:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Move

Ethan brendan lucas MasterZeroFlash (i'll put my name here anyway) MasterZeroFlash 18:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.

When I caught this version in Yellow, it has Normal/Flying type. Tried Thunder at another Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo. and it was super effective. Caugh another one and... wtf it was Grass/Poison O.o Another one and... Rock/Water (lol). Too bad that I took picture of only Grass/Poison version Marked +-+-+ 17:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

IIRC the non-000 dex family MISSINGNO. will derive their types and base stats depending on what was the last Pokémon loaded in memory, though its a very long time since I've messed with them. --Chickasaurus 22:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Alternate sprite

While playing on Pokémon Blue, I ran into Missingno. using the old man glitch. When the battle started it appeared flipped around (facing the other way and to the left) after I attacked it flipped back around like a normal Missingno. but I noticed that this one looked different. I have a picture if it and was wanting to know if it was worth doing anything with it, or giving it to some one. It had the same shape as a normal Missingno. but has a different glitchy pattern.SchattenMajora 05:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This sounds contrived; surely somebody would have noticed this by now... «hexagonTHEORY» 05:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Mew glitch went unproven for years. There's no real reason this can't be true...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

MissingNo

I ink this article and Missingno are the same thing 4Jmaster 21:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC) 4Jmaster

They are. --SnorlaxMonster 13:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we move it?

I mean, MissingNo.'s in-game name really means "Missing Number," it's as if the game's trying to tell you that the Pokémon you're encountering is missing, and it's index number is 0. All a Pokémon name is is a permanently nicknamed number, for example, Mew's index equivalent is 21. The game thinks "21 used (index number of a move)! It's super effective!" but the game translates it to "Mew used Psychic! It's super effective!" To recap what I have just said, as you are probably thinking "What is this kid getting at?" what I mean is, MissingNo.'s name is an abbreviated message, not an actual name. Cheers! Alex128 18:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be like moving Mew's page to 21 then? →ΑΧΧΟΝΝ_fire 18:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

@Axxonn: Not really. It's like the game knows 21=Mew, or 000=Missingno. (Or in this case, MissingNo.) Alex128 01:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Missingno. is not index number 000, that is 'M. Missingno. has a Pokédex number of 000 ('M does too), but has a large number of different index numbers (see the infobox). --SnorlaxMonster 01:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

@SnorlaxMonster: Enlighten me. Why does MissingNo. revert to Rhydon when certain forms are caught? If Rhydon's index number is 001, MissingNo. has to revert to the next valid index number, 001. That means MissingNo. has to be 000. It's Pokédex number is also 000. 'M could possibly share index 000 with MissingNo. Alex128 00:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Its only if a glitch Pokémon displays its Pokédex entry upon capture and has an invalid Pokédex number that it reverts to Rhydon (see new Rhydon glitch article). This is not specific to Yellow Missingno. as many glitch Pokémon have high Pokédex numbers and revert back to Rhydon after their Pokédex entry is registered. Its not possible to have more than one Pokémon with the same index number in the same game. You can have multiple glitch Pokémon with the same Pokédex number or 'family', but not index number. --Chickasaurus 02:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

(conflicted)It is impossible for two Pokémon to be at the same index number in the same game (Pokédex numbers are different). All non-hybrid glitch Pokémon revert to Rhydon when their Pokédex entry is viewed after being caught, because it has the first valid index number. p T would also revert to Rhydon, despite clearly not being 00 in any aspect. It's called the Rhydon glitch. --SnorlaxMonster 02:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll admit I'm wrong. I had forgotten that MissingNo. takes up multiple index numbers, and one of them was Index 000. I apologize for my mistake, but let it be known that I support its movement. Go MissingNo.! Alex128 17:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

GBA Missingno

I've seen videos on youtube demonstrating how to catch missingno in the GBA Pokemon games.

Here's one of them just to clarify. http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZTvJWlpfV3s
Pgj1997

We know about them but refer to them here as glitch Pokémon rather than Missingno. here please. The name "Missingno." is the error handler used for placeholder/formatted species and only 39 instances used this in the GB/C games (with the other 107 being generic invalid Pokémon). ? is the closest approximation to its function (25 empty spaces), though we still call it ? because that's what the game calls it. ?????????? and others are essentially invalid Pokémon (like the past 107 generic glitch Pokémon) but improved error handling techniques dummy out their names. Thanks. --Chickasaurus 16:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivia And More!

For the trivia, couldn't it be stated that Missing No. is the first pokemon to have alternate forms?

Also, should Missing No.'s alternate forms be added to the Form Change page? Super Glitch-Missing No. 22:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)Super Glitch-Missing No.

Possibly, but as long as it is only mentioned on this page

Absolutely not. The form differences page is only for true Pokémon. Missingno. would get no more than a trivia mention there. --SnorlaxMonster 10:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So I can add the Forme Differences onto Missing No.'s trivia, but not on the page? And technically, Missing No. is a real pokemon, but not obtained by normal means with some side effects. It is still a pokemon.--User:Super Glitch-Missing No.

No, Missingno. is NOT a Pokémon. It's a glitch encountered when a wild Pokémon is encountered in an area where wild Pokémon are not meant to appear. Therefore Missingno. appears because the numerical data (no.) for which Pokémon should appear are missing. Thus the "name" isn't even a name so much as an error message. This argument has been had a number of times on this wiki, and the conclusion has always been that "Glitch Pokémon" are not technically real Pokémon. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

If it is encountered in Tall Grass, isn't it a Pokémon?--higejolly 20:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Did you not read what was above your post? "Glitch Pokémon" Are not real Pokémon. It appears when you encounter a wild pokemon. --Pokemaster97 20:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

What is This? Missingno in IV Generation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAvip8ptQEM

Alysson-A 20:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes there are more glitch Pokémon in Generation IV exclusive to Pokémon Platinum and IIRC HeartGold and SoulSilver which normally freeze the game in Diamond and Pearl, for example see [7] but Bulbapedia only have articles about -----, Generation IV hybrids, Bad Egg and I suppose by that logic we should have Generation IV glitch Egg. I don't know if the staff here would consider anything else notable, seeing as you technically have 64,546 identifiers to experiment with taking into the account the glitch Pokémon and valid Pokémon already accepted. --Chickasaurus 20:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Not all Glitch Pokémon are MissingNo.

I hear people talk about "MissingNo. from Ruby/Sapphire, MissingNo. from Diamond and Pearl, they should all be moved to Missingno." The truth is that MissingNo. is a placeholding Glitch Pokémon, and therefore isn't meant to be found. So I don't think that other Glitch Pokémon should be moved to MissingNo.'s page. Cheers! Alex128 16:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

No need to worry, they won't be. OwnageMuch 23:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop changing the translation

The correct translation for Missingno. is 欠番. Please stop changing it. Eman9405 15:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

SnorlaxMonster is the leader of Project GlitchDex, so if he reverts your edit, you probably shouldn't change it back. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol, Kanji didn't even exist in main games until BW. Here's proof it's けつばん.--電禅Den Zen 15:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The reason you were reverted was because it was incorrect. It is not a translation, it is what actually appears in the Japanese games, as shown in the link Dennou Zenshi provided. While what you provided is the correct rendition of けつばん in kanji, games prior to Generation V didn't have kanji. I would have mentioned specifically why in my edit summary, but because you made multiple edits, I used an administrative tool called "rollback" which does not allow me to provide an edit summary. --SnorlaxMonster 15:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Featured article, and move

Missingno is todays Featured Article on Wikipedia, would this be worth noting?

Also, will this page ever be moved? I dont think it is right for a (Bulbapedia) Featured Article, apparently "one of the best articles produced on Bulbapedia", to have this issue ignored, or to even have the issue in the first place. XVuvuzela2010X 03:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

It's probably not going to get moved. People seem to think that Nintendo's inconsistent spellings and capitalizations constitute a need to change the name, that's all. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 11:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Or is it that the name used just as often in the fandom is the one used by Nintendo themselves, even with their inconsistencies? Although I agree, at this rate, it is not going to get moved. --SnorlaxMonster 12:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Big question

Ok http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/33054-pokemon-the-electric-tale-of-pikachu Comic reviewer Linkara has used Missingno as a major plot point in many of his reviews during the month. Should we add this to trivia or what? I mean he is popular and so on. Just asking --Brengarrett 05:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

We don't usually note fan things like that. I don't think that we should. --SnorlaxMonster 07:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

MISSINGNO. Research

I recently caught a MISSINGNO. on Blue. It was level 168 and had the sprite of the Aerodactyl fossil. When I battled it, I Mimiced it and it had Supersonic, Auroa Beam, Clamp, and Spike Cannon. When I caught it, it had just Wing Attack and Supersonic. (I battled it with my Aerodactyl, which had Fly as well. As stated, it "grew" to level 100 after just one battle. I saved it here, and when I start my game, after a couple battles, it "grows" to level 70, with its screen stating that it took 12,000 or so exp to level up. I got it down to 9,000 exp, and flew to Viridian Forest. It then said that it needed 98,000 or so exp. When its screen was checked, it was an "Electric" type, yet Water and Ice type moves were super effective. Today it was Rock and Ground, so Normal type moves were not very effective, but Rock-type moves were. Soon it changed to Rock Flying. In Pokémon Tower, after I checked the screen of one of my non-glitch Pokémon, its back sprite was changed to Aerodactyl. Also, I've noticed that while opposing Pokémon's sprites were reversed, they only got spliced when they "changed," like when they flash after Wing Attack or when they use Withdraw.

I was just wondering if we should add any of this information. Jdrawer 16:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I believe that defined-sprite Missingno. doesn't actually copy the moves of an individual Pokémon, but takes what moves it would have at that level if it were of that species. So a level 168 Cloyster would have that first mentioned set of attacks, meaning it was the last Pokémon loaded (just hearing its cry can do this, or so I've heard). Why it had those moves after Aerodactyl, I have no idea; further testing should probably be conducted. "Growing" to level 100 after gaining experience when above level 100 is mentioned here. The changing to level 70 and changing experience to next level is likely due to copying another Pokémon's experience group, then copying a different experience group, throwing it all around the place like that.

Now, what is interesting in your research is that it shows defined-sprite Missingno. behaving remarkably similar to unstable hybrid Pokémon. This would also explain why its battle types don't match its display types. Now, what I'm interested in is what would happen if it was attempted to be stabilized via Daycare, and what would happen if it was turned into an unstable hybrid.

For now, I think the sprite thing could be noted, while the other observations can continue to be researched here. --SnorlaxMonster 10:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, I restarted my game (I got bored, and research was not my main priority), but you can replicate the results with the name FeLix (that MISSINGNO., the Cloyster, and an 'M (I forgot the level) were all there in the strip. When I beat the game again, I'll try to replicate it so I can find out more.Jdrawer 06:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Accidentally, Corrupt my save game in gen V and a MissingNo in my party

I was wanted to move my joltik using pokegen, when my card reader disconnected while pokegen is saved. I dont know it corrupted my savegame until i played black and found my supposed joltik transformed to a missingno.

Name: ????????????????????? (endless) Sprite: a big ? Lvl: 1 No stats, no ability, no move, fainted

is Gen V having a missingno as well? (Passlogin 05:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC))

There is no Missingno. in any generation but I. In Generation V, there is instead something called -----. --SnorlaxMonster 08:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

At least add some information to http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F Passlogin 06:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

How the fossil and ghost Missingnos. work

The game doesn't just leave pieces of the source base stats structure in the game. There's a special case for those four IDs that makes it so almost all of the data, besides the front sprite and a couple other things, is not overwritten. FSX 22:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)