Talk:Cynthia

If Ash and co. met Lucian...

If Ash and co. met Lucian, it was likely they'll meet Cynthia later in the anime. And I was right, because Cynthia is scheduled to make her first anime appearance in DP040! - unsigned comment from FREAKAZOID (talk • contribs)

Garchomps gender?

based on gender differences, what gender is her garchomp? --Deuxhero 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Female. All of Cynthia's Pokémon are female EXCEPT for her Lucario. --☆ケンジガール 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they mean in the anime...? --DarkfireTaimatsu 05:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Its still a female. No groove in the fin. --☆ケンジガール 06:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

In the quotes section, it says:

Before battle:
"One look at you tells me many things about you. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. That's enough talking. Let's get on with why you're here. I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokémon League Champion! There won't be any letup from me!"

OR

"Have you been keeping well? Thank you for Mt. Coronet. I'm truly grateful. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. But that's enough talk. Let's get on with why you're here. As the Pokémon League Champion, I accept your challenge!"

What do they mean, "OR"? Doesn't she always say the same thing? --Shiny Noctowl^{Talk | Contribs} 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that she says the Mt.Coronet thing only when the player didn't beat the Elite Four yet.She doesn't say that to me! Uxie 20:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Uxie Legend

The first one is what she says in the first battle against her, and then it is permanently replaced by the second one in rematches. -- PKMNChamp 10:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

what the...?

whats with the line going across the page? uhh....Kpokefan (cuz i dont know how to make the special little signatures

What line? Tina^☆♥♫ 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Cynthia + Rayquaza??

apparently, in an episode, Cynthia is shown commanding a Rayquaza. it can be viewed here. →User:Thomas1652

But it was in a dream. She doesn't really own that Pokémon. --Maxim 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

aaaahh, thank you for clearing that up for me. =) →User:Thomas1652

i thought that the Rayquaza she was commanding was just an illusion, someone added it. Is it ok to take it out? Boywonder01 08:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

• Sigh*.....I'll take it out.....--Theryguy512File:Trozeiani025.gif 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh! Someone took it out already.....--Theryguy512File:Trozeiani025.gif 19:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

elite four

what do the elite four and the league champ actually do in the anime?Samrulz123 04:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wait around to appear in an episode. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 06:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I always figured that in order to challenge the elite four you had to win the league tournament. We may never know TheAlmightyChris 11:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

Cynthia also looks like the character(dont know her name) who trasform's in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I50GGdQCQDs&NR=1

-- Zakuro 08:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

lucario

Does anybody else think those things in her hair look like the thing on lucario's head.I think this could mean that lucario is her main pokémon in the games (and possibly anime but not sure) User:Darkmaster0

I always thought the things in her hair resembled a Garchomp....--Theryguy512 11:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It does look more like Lucario's hair-type-thing, but her Garchomp is her strongest pokémon and they ,usually, are the trainer's signature pokémon. Phocks.

Chi

Chi and Fei are identical twins and Chi is the main chatterer, so way dos she look like Fei and not Chi? Cerberus 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What in the name of Hans Christian Anderson do you mean? It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links13:05 18 Jun 2008

Probably another "character similarity" thing. God, I'm sick of them. --Maxim 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

...who is Fei? The twins' names are Erda (Chi) and Freya (black Chi).--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

And the "Freya and not Chi" thing probably has to do with the black gothic clothing? Just maybe.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 16:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix up in the name. Thay still look the same and I don't get it? Cerberus 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the statement even necessary? The accompanying link doesn't even have a picture and I've never even heard of the character. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 00:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm really sick of those "similarities". We've got too many of them and most of them don't even look similar. I say, DELETE ALL "SIMILARITY" NOTES! --Maxim 07:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It's like "Oooh! One anime character looks like another! We should put that in!!" It's not all that notable. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this one is notable if any of them are. The have the same eyes, the same face. Clair even has hair things that look like Chi's ear's. If you ask me this one is intentional Cerberus 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I assume we're referring to Chobits here. Anyway, I did think Cynthia looked a bit like a Persicom on first impression, and her very long hair and black clothes are reminiscent of Freya, but I wouldn't say this is particularly relevant to Bulbapedia. Punkrockrevel 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Dream Rayquaza (Please don't ignore this)

If we include her Rayquaza, shouldn't we include the Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig from Dawn's DP001 dream? If you agree with me, please make the table, cuz remember, I don't know how!--KukiTalk 20:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

That was more of Dawn daydreaming that she had those Pokémon. Plus, it wasn't appearant to the characters at first that they were dreaming when Cynthia had a Rayquaza. I don't know, maybe Rayquaza shouldn't count... ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was still a dream Pokémon, just saying--KukiTalk 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Ash. Kanto starters. TTEchidna 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, he woke up to the Gengar/Nidorino battle, remember?--KukiTalk 23:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No he didn't... He was watching that on T.V. the night before he left on his journey. --☆ケンジガール 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But the Kanto starters in the dream manifested themselves into reality. And what about May commanding Mudkip in AG001?--KukiTalk 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but that's not what I was talking about. You said he woke up to the battle of Nidorino and Gengar, which he didn't.

Back to the subject about dream Pokémon, just because Ash got all the starters he dreamed about doesn't mean that everyone gonna get the Pokémon they've dreamed about. These stupid dream Pokémon shouldn't even be mentioned. Especially not the ones in Dawn's dream. What about all those Pokémon that Meowth always dreams Giovanni has in his dreams. Are we gonna mentioned those now? --☆ケンジガール 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Already have a page for that--KukiTalk 23:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Well that's merely a section of the boss fanasy article. Doesn't mean that other people should have dream Pokémon mentioned. --☆ケンジガール 23:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Color

Why is her table color white? It blends with the background. Wouldn't black/a shade of gray be better? tc26 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Likely. Pick one. TTEchidna 02:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Leiji Matsumoto

I know there's been a crackdown on speculative trivia, but I honestly think Cynthia's design is a reference to Galaxy Express 999. Seriously, look at the Maetel-bot in that entry and tell me she's not inspired by that. - Nekusagi (don't know how to link myself)

Done. She's not inspired by that. On a serious note, however, it's still speculation. Which isn't allowed on articles or something.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

To compare a character to another one is an opinion, as well as speculation. Opinions are not shared by everyone so they don't belong in any article. Now, I already discussed this with Neku elsewhere so there needs to be no further inquiries about this. -Sketch 00:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Egg

After running Team Galactic out of Eterna, Cynthia approaches the player near the Bicycle Shop to give him or her an Egg. I'd edit the article myself to reflect this, but I'm not sure what's in the egg -- or where in the article the information should go. Recalcitrancy 16:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It is a Togepi Egg. - Taylor 19:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Noted and changed. — THE TROM — 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I think there's a faulty tag, but I don't know what the correct one is. Recalcitrancy 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

got it.--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

In the trivia...

The trivia states: Cynthia's team also has at least one attack that matches the type themes of every member of the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Elite Four plus three members of Sinnoh's Elite Four. Flint is the only member not represented as none of Cynthia's Pokémon have Fire-type attacks.

Cynthia has a Fire-type attack: Flamethrower. It's on Garchomp before National Pokedex. If what this is stating after the NP, then please ignore this. - unsigned comment from Nidolord500 (talk • contribs)

Pokédex

In Platinum, Cynthia tells the player character that she went on an adventure with a Pokédex when she was younger (she says this when you meet her in Celestic Town). This isn't mentioned on her page, and I think it is kind of important. Adam 148 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

You know every trainer begins with a Pokédex. If you dont agree then give me examples of trainers without Pokédex. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 09:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

"You've got a Pokedex!? Wow! Etcetera!" Also, Pearl doesn't have one, and Wally doesn't seem to either. The game dialogue at the start of each game makes it seem like its a big deal; hence the Professor gives it after the player has done a task for him, not with the Starter Pokemon. — THE TROM — 09:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Dude about Pearl it is mentioned on his page and "doesnt seem to either" doesnt sounds convincing. Moreover as you administrators say "Wait till it is confirmes" although I dont think it will ever be . --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

When exactly was the Pokédex invented anyway? Adam 148 09:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Pearl didn't get one because he was in a rush. Wally because he started on his own, without a starter nor a Pokédex. Other Trainers because there to lazy to get themselves one. You only see the Main player and Rival get a PokéDex. And as for Trom and Prongs, Both of you need to stop being hostile to eachother.--FF(edits•talk) 09:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Leave your messages after a : and it was recently before the first genera.. Brainwave! We are not hostile just a friendly argument. If this server breaks once more I will kill someone. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 10:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry... I'm being hostile? It certainly wasn't intentional. I just answered the question.... Again, sorry if it seemed like that. — THE TROM — 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Please you werent. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 10:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Seems like it yeah, I always think there's some kind of rivalry between you two. Meh nevermind. My thought got me wrong.--FF(edits•talk) 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless Cynthia is only thirteen years old (which she'd have to be to start out with a Pokédex [invented three years before Generation II and IV]) it's possible Cynthia started out with a forerunner/prototype of the Pokédex, such as the P*DA. But this is only speculation. Adam 148 11:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Prof. Oak created the PokéDex way before Gen I. And you have to be 10 to be a Trainer.--FF(edits•talk) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)--FF(edits•talk) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Exactly my point, she started her adventure before D/P/Pt, and the Pokédex was created, let's say a year (not actual time), before Gen I, she'd have to have been 10 to start out on her adventure at this time if she'd had a Pokédex, and she looks older than fourteen. Adam 148 11:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Of course. But yet this is speculation, I mean she could've started being a trainer late in her life.--FF(edits•talk) 11:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

True... Adam 148 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually in the games Oak says that he created it just a little time ago and many state that Cynthia is quite experienced. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 15:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

In fact, when you beats her the first time (in Platinum at least) and Rowan shows up, he states it has been a long time since he has been at the Hall of Fame, and Cynthia comments that if the last time he had been there was when she had become champion, then it was a long time ago. So she must have had her Pokédex for quite some time. Adam 148 10:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's a tip: why don't we quote everything Cynthia said in DPPt? We do that on Cyrus's page. =] ◄Kevzo8► 11:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Good plan Adam 148 18:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

3 years

In Cynthia's trivia section, there is a bullet saying "Although Cynthia mentions she started with a Pokédex, in Generation I (approximately three years before the events of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) Professor Oak mentions that it is his newest invention." How do we know that the events of Gold, Silver, and Crystal are happening at the same time as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? Jasmine is actually in Sinnoh during generation IV, so how could she be in Sinnoh and in Johto at her gym at the same time? --いぬみみ 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

The Red Gyarados happens after you beat Jasmine. It is highly possible that she goes to Sinnoh to recover after her loss; there is nothing to deny this. It could also happen shortly before she is faced by the player of GSC. While the two generations appear to happen within the same time frame, they don't appear to be concurrent. — THE TROM — 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Platinum and Arceus reference

In Platinum, I specifically remember that if you went and checked the cave painting in the Celestic Ruins again after beating the Elite Four, Cynthia showed up and gave a big lecture on the dragon trio, lake trio, and speculation on Arceus. Somebody should go and check that, and put it in the quotes section. TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 21:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The Pokedex trivia

Could Cynthia just be a newish trainer? Lovely Rose 03:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

As mentioned earlier, Cynthia is said to be quite experienced. Also, both Cynthia and Prof. Rowan both state that it was some time since Rowan had been to the Hall of Fame, which means that Cynthia has been a trainer for quite some time. Adam 148 11:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

In two places at once

After defeating Cyrus for the last time, she's at the entrance to Turnback Cave and at the League. Did anyone else notice this? --Sting the Trainer 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless you're also in two places at once, you can't verify that claim. She leaves the League a lot earlier in the game; chances are she's doing the same here. —darklordtrom 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

After accompanying the player to the Distortion World, she stands around outside the cave but isn't there after you complete the E4 challenge. Platinum has actual cases of Gym Leaders being in three places at once (Gym + Cafe + Villa) but this doesn't count. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

First Timers

I was looking at the different Champions, and it's occured to me that Cynthia is the only one to be Champion in both the games and the anime. Blue was Champion in Gen. I & their remakes and is Ash's rival in the anime, Lance was Elite Four in Gen. I, but Champion in Gen.II. Steve and Wallace are not the Champions of Hoenn in the anime, and both where Champions in different games.--Spritemaster 20:12:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the anime stated that Wallace is the Champion of the Hoenn League. --ケンジのガール 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Cynthia the only one to remain champion

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that Cynthia is the only Champion to remain Champion of her League in all games set in that region? Kanto/Johto Elite Four has had Blue, later replaced by Lance. Hoenn Elite Four has had Steven, later replaced by Wallace. But Sinnoh has only EVER had Cynthia as a Champion.

Though this might change come Black and White and their third version, do you think it's still worth a mention? Bttsstewart 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it should be. Pokemon26 01:14, 2 August 2010.--Pokemon26 01:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't true. Red takes the champion title from Blue in Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, FireRed, or LeafGreen, and remains the true champion in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver. He just isn't fought in the league. And besides, every champion has lost the title; the player beats the champion in every game. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, so what was Lance then if not the Champion of the Indigo Plateau? Bttsstewart 14:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Lance was the Johto Champion. Red is the Kanto Champion. You simply don't have to fight another Elite Four to battle Kanto's Champion.--Purimpopoie 14:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Isshu House...

In Pokemon Platinum, Cynthia mentions about having a house, but where she said is a secret. Having a look at the Black/White games I realize there is a hosue with Cynthia in it. Any possible connections? I can't read other languages so if you can please find out if she claims it as her house.--Scepie 08:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The villa of isshu is not a house of Cynthia. The villa that exists in Sazanami Town is belongings of Caitlin. Cynthia borrows the villa from Caitlin. Sawamular101 12:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Black & White Rematch Problem

I was able to fight her in Spring, but ever since Summer started, all she'll do is talk about swimsuits. Is there something I have to do to get her to fight me again? --The Great Butler 06:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe it she only battles in certain season(s). --SnorlaxMonster 08:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Cynthia's Pokémon's IVs

They are NOT 31, at least not in Platinum's rematch. I won't edit that piece of trivia, as I have no means of confirming her IVs in games other than that. My brother used a catch trainers' Pokemon cheat on a Pokemon from each E4 member. (Their "signature Pokemon" <Drapion/Rhyperior/Magmortar/Garchomp> and Lucian's Espeon) They APPEAR to be all 30. (EVERY E4 member's Pokemon, not just Cynthia's.) I ran their stats through an IV checker. For reference, I'll put their details down here (Order of HP/Attack/Defence/Special Attack/Special Defence/Speed): Aaron's Drapion: Lv. 69, Lonely - 196/163/159/108/129/156; Bertha's Rhyperior: Lv. 71, Lonely - 265/247/189/104/104/83; Flint's Magmortar: Lv. 73, Timid - 214/148/124/209/165/162; Lucian's Espeon: Lv. 71, Calm - 194/106/111/210/177/182; Cynthia's Garchomp: Lv. 78, Bold - 279/207/193/153/161/187.

RiverShock 06:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hometown

In the article it says "hometown=Celestic Town*" but I think in the games (Platinum, at least) it mentions that she is from Celestic Town or something like that and the Celestic Town article says "It is the hometown of Cynthia's family." so should we remove the part that says "Mentioned only in the anime"? Xxcom9a 14:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. The fact that she resides in an other region doesn't mean that she doesn't come from Celestic. --Maxim 14:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

B/W Battle Music

When you battle Cynthia in Black and White, is the music the same as it was in Gen IV or is it different? --☆FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2☆ 22:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCd4pccHCfU Xxcom9a 14:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Is this trivia worthy? --☆FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2☆ 01:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Cynthia in Black/White, correction?

"Cynthia also makes an appearance in Pokémon Black and White. She can be battled in a house in Undella Town in the spring and summer."

This may be incorrect, since when I initially got to battle Cynthia after meeting her for the first time, it was Autumn. Sure enough, after I beat her and left, she was gone.

I think she can be battled anytime, but can only be re-battled in certain seasons. --Zoen 07:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, when she can be re-battled, she can be beaten once a day. --Zoen 12:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

And as luck would have it, Summer comes and she doesn't want to battle any more. --Zoen 23:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Adventures Artwork

I don't want to just put a template there. Is the artwork supposed to be that dark looking? I think it looks odd but I don't know if that's just the way it was made or not.... Ikarishipper900 18:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I may have done something in the original transparenting...but I just changed it. Should look better now Ataro 18:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It does. Thanks! :) Ikarishipper900 19:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect sprite art in Platinum party

I noticed that Cynthia's Spiritomb is represented by its D/P art in the Platinum party template, while everyone else's sprite is the Platinum one. Could anyone correct this, as I don't know how to? P.S. Before you ask, yes, Spiritomb's sprite differs between DP and Platinum. Haxorus 13:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 13:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Color in Quotes

Sorry if this was mentioned early, tried to look for it but didn't see anything. Why are certain words in color during some of her quotes (particularly the HG/SS ones)? --HoennMaster 21:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Because apparently it's red in-game Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Huh, never noticed that...Thanks! --HoennMaster 21:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Why are the quotes marked as Incomptle

If it is because they are wrong, I can get pearl battle quotes (because I activtly play it). Truthseeker4449 21:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Not because they're wrong, but because we don't have all of them. If you can get them, that would be great. --SnorlaxMonster 09:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I would have to restart my game though, If you look my Pokémon list on my userpage you can see that I have a lot of rare Pokémon and would have to get them off first. Truthseeker4449 16:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, you personally don't need to restart your game. It's always possible to retrieve them from LPs, and some people extract them from the game data itself. --SnorlaxMonster 08:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Every game

Cynthia has appeared in every game since Diamond and Pearl, isn't that supposed to be in trivia? --K4kirin 08:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

While I did mistook it as if it was saying she has appeared in more games than other, I still don't think it's notable. If she appears in the 3rd Version, and/or to an extent, Gen VI then it'll probably be notable.--ForceFire 08:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Cynthia's sister

Cynthia has a little sister?!? Is that accurate? Cuz it sorta seems like a piece of fandom... ♥ - unsigned comment from Sméarglé (talk • contribs) ♥

She appears in her house in Celestic Town. --SnorlaxMonster 04:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Remove Sinnoh Elite Four template.

Cynthia has been removed foerm the template because she is not a member of the Elite Four. The template should be removed from this page. Kookamooka 23:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Best Wishes 2?

Should we say that she will appear in the anime in the Best Wishes 2 series? - unsigned comment from Glalie Power (talk • contribs)

Some say to wait until actual episodes air. Ask an admin. プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్ 04:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

Would it be notworthy to say she is the only champion discounting blue to own an eeveelution in the anime?--OmaceHERO (talk) 11:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Not really, since only four in-game Champions have appeared in the anime as Champions.--電禅Den Zen 11:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Her own anime page?

Do you think due to her having a large part in both the Sinnoh and Unova saga, do you think she should have her own anime page? Fluffbi 14:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)