Talk:Brock

Special images

Okay, for both Brock and the other Gym Leaders - are there any images out there of them in the Special manga we could use that aren't blatantly taken from Serebii? If for no other reason than they were made to look good on a dark gray background, not a white one? --Pie 12:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Harrison?

Now, of course, we know that Eric Stuart has confirmed that this is his name, but it still doesn't feel right to be up in the infobox and all. Maybe it's just me. I dunno. Pie? You're the Brock expert here. TTEchidna 09:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

As I see it, it's only Harrison in the anime and we dont even know if PUSA recognise that. It should be mentioned but I don't think it should be in the title. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 10:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think we need it in the article. Maybe under Trivia, but definitely not in the infobox. Besides, are we sure Eric Stuart knew what he was talking about when he made that statement? --PAK Man ^Talk 15:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the fact that we mention his surname. It was never mentioned in the anime. Also why is this okay to mention what Eric Stuart says when it's not okay to say that Mayumi Iizuka (Misty's Japanese VA) said that Misty would return to the series? So we're allowed to go on what a voice actor said in this case but not for the other? In my opinion this is way worse. The Iizuka thing was put in Misty's trivia section however this is being displayed in the infobox. Note that Iizuka's comments were removed from Misty's trivia because they were not credible enough. Conclusion: We should not put on our pages what voice actors have said. However, things like that should be mentioned in the trivia section. --☆ケンジガール 03:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Age

Sooo...even though he was that age as of his debut, is he older, or still 15?

We don't know. He probably is. But as Pie said, there's this eternal youth going on in the anime where the characters don't age. --☆ケンジガール 03:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The "At Pewter Gym" section

What is Shiny Noctowl thinking by saying "800px looks better"? That section's table is way too wide at 800px! Horizontial scrolling is practically necessary to see the whole table at 800px. There is no way 800px can be considered better than 600px--you basically need the best of monitors to support a resolution where 800px looks good!

How can I get the table to look good in a 600px setting? Please do not suggest leaving it at 800px, as having it at 800px is a bad thing. --Shiningpikablu252 03:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal of splitting the article

I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have seperate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? Sato 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Brock and Misty do have huge, and I mean huge articles. But splitting them off into anime/games, then where'd Special go? Would we split Special off of all of the Gym Leaders? Would it go with the game one, because, you know, May and Dawn also have their Special counterparts in Sapphire and Berlitz... That's the problem with the consistency; what exactly should we be consistent with? May's anime and game counterparts are distinct, as one's a player character/rival that can have a pretty variant amount of Pokémon, another's this contest-crazy girl with a Blaziken, and the third is doing the complete opposite of the anime one and challenging Gyms. I get where you're coming from, but the biggest problem is maintaining the consistency between all of the Gym Leaders, too. We'd have a ton more complaints than we already do about the parentheticals if we extended them to commonly-known characters like the Gym Leaders... especially if we were to do so to Wallace and Janine, who didn't even appear in the anime, for consistency.

But I dunno. What's everyone else think, anyway? To me, Brock's Brock, Misty's Misty, in every iteration, unlike May, Ash, and Dawn. Red's silent as night, Ash won't stop screaming at a Mankey for his hat. Sure, they know different people, but hey, if Brock and Misty get divided among their similar counterparts, jeez, Koga's certainly going to need to be divided among his crazy ninja, evil Team Rocket member, and trap-setting Poison guy selves. And Lance... hoo, that guy's different in each iteration. TTEchidna 16:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not just split 'em because of size, not because of incarnation? Split the ones that are big enough to require it and leave alone the rest. No need to split all the gym leaders if not all of them need splitting.

As for where the mangas would go... whichever ends smaller out of Brock (anime) and Brock (games), I suppose. Cassius335 16:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No, please, God, no! Characters like Ash, May and Dawn have separate articles because they are considered as different characters from their game counterparts (this applies to all playable characters). Characters such as Brock and Misty are just adaptations of the same characters in different canons. Everyone who thinks that Red and Ash, Blue and Gary etc. are all the same character is a N00B! Read the Inter-media counterparts article for further explanation. --Maxim 16:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Bingo. Plus, don't forget, the manga adaptations of Brock and Misty are just as different from the game versions and the anime versions as the game and anime versions are from each other... If there'd be any splitting, then we'd be splitting into three... for each and every one of the Gym Leaders. TTEchidna 20:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't really consider splitting articles to be a problem with the other Gym Leaders, since the majority of them are only around for anywhere between 1-5 episodes of the anime usually, making them only slightly more notable than characters of the day, while Misty and Brock both have well over 200 episodes under their belt. As for manga incarnations, Pokemon Special information should remain with the game version's article and Electric Tale of Pikachu information should go with the anime version's article, since those are the original canons that the manga are based upon. The only reason I suggested it is because Misty and Brock are both highly important characters in the anime, who could easily have a whole article based on their anime version alone. Sato 02:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And you also suggested that you know nothing about Pokémon canon. The only thing that annoys me in big articles is Trivia Sections made of stupid trivia bits. I think it's the ONLY thing which should be changed in articles. --Maxim 14:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And... How exactly did I suggest that I know nothing about Pokémon canon? Sure, Misty and Brock's anime incarnations are adaptations of their game personas. However, despite being considered a different character, Ash is still an adaptation of the character Red. How does acknowledging the fact that Pokémon has many seperate unrelated canons insinuate that I don't know anything about Pokémon canon? I ignored your last comment about being a "N00B", simply because it was irrelevant. However I only made a mere suggestion, I didn't say "We should split off new articles" I said "Should we split off new articles?". You're entitled to your opinion that the articles shouldn't be split, however directly insulting people calling them "N00B"s and saying they "know nothing" is extremely rude and childish. I'm here at Bulbapedia as I see it as a good source of information worth working on and improving, NOT to be insulted. I'm not going out of my way to insult you, so don't you insult me. Thank you very much. Sato 01:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, Maxim, you are getting dangerously close to trolling here. Would you please chill out so the rest of us can have an intellegent conversation?

Anyway, I personally don't care if anime Misty/Brock and game Misty/Brock are the same character or not. Split 'em already and lets see what it looks like. It can always be reverted if it isn't working, right? Cassius335 09:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

They are fine NOT SPLIT!!!! We don't need to split them, It's is fine as one big article. --Theryguy512 11:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Big articles are good in a sense but it is better to split them. Because Brock in the anime and Brock in the games have a lot of different information which I don't think is good in just one article. And its also much easier for anyone visiting Bulbapedia.

If May can get two different articles why not Brock? JmathTalk 13:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WARNING: This page is 33 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.

That is pretty much the main reason to split the article. Misty's article isn't at this stage yet. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 13:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

But that's only because of those freakin' templates and images. --Maxim 15:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The images and templates are needed for the article. JmathTalk[ 15:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thing is... we'd have to change them 04824143194104712 links to Brock, if we did split it.. but then again, editing this page out of the 'edit this page' tab instead of some sections at a time... whoa, that'd be one HUGE code. But it seems just good as one article, but at the same time I think we should spilt it. (Speaking of Brock, I have Art Brock... :c) Tina ^δ♫ 16:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Should the issue be put to a vote, similar to the James's Cacnea issue?--PikamasterADV 19:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's a good idea. Remember how Shiny Noctowl kept trying to skew the James's Cacnea poll in Gardenia's favor? How are we to know similar stunts wouldn't happen in this case? --Shiningpikablu252 19:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Because Shiny Noctowl is blocked for the next week. ;)

Seriously, coming to a consensus on the talk pages is preferable to creating lots of polls. And the fact that this particular article is too long means that a split is simply necessary so the only question is how to do it. Sure, there are a lot of links to this page but a bot can help cut down a lot of the work. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 20:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that's right. Bots. In that case... I say spilt the article.. Tina ^δ♫ 20:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't split it! There's no need to! If we split this one, does that mean will have to split EVERY SINGLE Pokémon's, move's and character's in the anime section, too??? --Theryguy512 21:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course not. This article is being split because it is too long. Using this to set that kind of precedent would be completely stupid. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, and also, every single Pokémon, move and character aren't notable enough in the anime to have their own articles anyway. The main reason I suggested it for Misty and Brock is because they are highly notable in the anime, with Misty being a main character for over 200 episodes and Brock being a main character for over 400 episodes. A lot of Pokémon, characters and moves (Eg. Lt. Surge and Porygon) only appeared in one episode, making their anime anime apperances nowhere near notable enough to have their own seperate articles. Sato 10:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Then split it shall be. But...I don't have the power for that. I didn't even realise there was san argument about this. My Reasons:

1. Yes, Brock (the article) is too large.
2. The rest are more or less like the other's reasons.
3. Lastly, it's Payback to Ryguy for calling me Opitmus and not doing anything about it...

Haha, yes...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 11:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC) So which bot?

Isn't there some sort of thing that explains just what the warning means by "some browsers"? I've never had a problem editing a page, even when it's approaching 60, even. Sure, I use the most updated version of Firefox... far as I know, all it'd mean is portable ones. The Wii's, the DS's, a mobile one... well, how many people browse wikis on those with the intention of editing them...? TTEchidna^G_SDS! 20:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think the article should be split. The Brock in the anime is the same Brock who is in the video games. The same goes for Misty. The articles are great the way they are, they don't need to be split! Taromon777 10:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Taromon777..... you are way off schedule.--ForceFire 10:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

I think the trivia section is too long. How can we make it a bit shorter? Seritinajii

By integrating the information into the text, though the nature of trivia doesn't make that a preferable move for most of it. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 01:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of it can be - the part about how he can identify people posing as women could be added in his character description as a skill and the part about his bedroom doesn't really seem like trivia. There's also quite a lot about the types of Pokémon he owns - maybe it can be limited to saying he owns an equal amount of rock, poison, steel, and water pokémon with a short description afterwards. It should also probably be stated that he has more ground type Pokémon than any other type. --☆Woodland:M ☆ 23:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

umm... Guys...

Ok, I have to point out something about this article.

I mean, not that I want these tidbits erased, but when I edited the Anime section of the Misty article to include the Cast change controversy, They edited my post just because I referenced what I thought the Misty fanbase. One person, PDL even thought initially that it was a violation of the neutral viewpoint of this wiki. I mean, I tried to add in a perspective as to why the Misty fans would want her back, but you guys said it was a violation of Neutrality, despite the mere fact that in my original draft I ALSO mentioned some reasons as to why some fans wanted Misty to be permanently removed.

Now what does this have to do with the Brock article? Simple, it's because this article also seems guilty of this as well and yet no one seemed bothered with it (as I said, I personally don't want it to be deleted, but it is a disturbing point to be brought up.). I mean, from the character bio for Brock:

"His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]"

and, though maybe to a lesser extent, take a look at the History section:

"Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B]"

See what I mean? I mean, the history part is debatable since it at least offers two perspectives, but the former, there's definitely no excuse for this. I mean, it only offers one perspective. I mean, I couldn't add in a mention to the cast change controversy in regards to Misty without it being edited for supposed "Bias" and "Violation of Neutrality", and yet, People, even people like PDL, aren't doing a thing in regards to this despite the fact that This ALSO deals with a violation of Neutrality (probably even MORESO than the edit I made)? I mean, I think it's hypocritical to do it to Misty's article, and yet not do it to Brock's article.

Anyway's, That's all for now.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

P.S. PDL, I did this, as promised on the talk page of Misty's article.

You just love taking up space, don't you? Shut up about the Misty thing, that argument is OVER and there's no need to bring it up again.

As to this page, the second example looks fine to me. As to the first... let me do a trim. Cassius335

Tauros

I, personally, think it should go under "Returned" because he did catch it and he did RETURN it to Ash! KPF 17:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

How about GAVE AWAY? Or maybe just TEMPORARY. The thing is, he never actually had it for any amount of time, so it's difficult to place. TESHIGIGAS 17:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well hr didn't really own it. All he did was catch it with Ash's PokéBall. I think it's fine how it is. --Theryguy512 22:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

15?

Were was it ever stated he was in-fact 15? ---HoennMaster 05:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Extra material released in Japan outside the actual show. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Befriended

I was looking at Brock's page and saw that the Ninetales in Just Waiting On A Friend is considered to be befriended by Brock and useing that logic, I think it might be worth adding the young Stantler form "The Little Big Horn", the Sharpedo he nursed back to health in "Sharpedo Attack!", and the Nuzleaf that got separated from it's coloney in "Leave It To Brocko!" --User:Riot464 2:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Truthfully, I don't think Ninetales is that notable let alone those Pokémon. And Nuzleaf? The Nuzleaf seemed more friendlier with Brock's Sudowoodo than Brock himself. --☆ケンジガール 06:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

"Befriended" sections do seem to be the bastard step-child's around here. - Cassius335 10:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Brock is a Pokémon breeder. It's his job to bond with various Pokémon. That doesn't mean he owns them in any way. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 12:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Little Big Horn Stantler

Should we include it?--KukiTalk 15:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Were not allowed to include befriened Pokémon, EXCEPT for Max. --☆ケンジガール 22:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Japanese motto?

So why is it that the one Kanto Gym Leader that has been identified as having a Featured Article is the only one who doesn't have his Japanese motto present in the trivia section? Every other Kanto Gym Leader has it there, at the top of the list. I would think that this would be the FIRST Gym Leader to have their Japanese motto present, not the LAST. Satosuke 04:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Stadium/2 pictures

Any way we could get a cleaner shot? TTEchidna 07:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll try. I know the pictures aren't the best quality, but I thought it would be nice rather than using their FR/LG sprites. I'll see if I can get a better shot. If not, there's always PhotoShop. Okoa 06:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleaner version (unsure how to upload). More leaders in progress. It requires playing all the way through Stadium though, so don’t expect them right away… IIMarckus 07:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I uploaded it, thanks. Just click "Upload File" on the toolbox on the left. ;) Okoa 03:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Rhyhorn

Apparently, according to Pokebeach, Brock will trade a Rhyhorn with Thunder Fang in exchange for a Sudowoodo.

Brock gives you a Rhyhorn that knows Thunder Fang if you trade him a Bonsly. Brock: "Hey, (Trainer)! Have you ever seen a Pokemon called Bonsly? It appears you have to hatch it from an egg, so it isn’t seen very often. If you have a Sudowoodo, will you trade it for my Rhyhorn? Yeah! Let’s trade! Thank you! I really wanted a Bonsly! About the Rhyhorn I gave you. I raised it from an egg, and it knows Thunder Fang. It can even defeat Water-type Pokemon. Take good care of it!" Master Lucario

trivia?

his parents are rock- and water-type trainers and half his rematch team is part water. Also, while he does live in an area close to a fossil museum, he never expresses much interest in them. Yet 4 of his 6 pokémon are considered ancient (relicanth being the only non-fossil) Kanjo 18:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Right. Except for two things: his parents are in the anime, not the games. Same with where he lives and his team in the games. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I got another one: Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver is the first game Brock has a Pokémon that hasn't a double weakness against Grass-type. This one is Rampardos. He only uses Rampardos in rematch though. Bigtukker 20:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see a big problem with noting oddities between anime and game. They aren't the same, fine, who said they were? "Brock's anime counterpart, blah blah blah, while in the games, blah blah blah". What's the problem with that? Drake Clawfang 20:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

We try not to do that, because the games and anime aren't normally in the same canon. Really the only one that is close to the anime is Yellow. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

We make reference to Koga joining the Elite Four on Ash's page when talking about the anime. Drake Clawfang 20:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm.... removed. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Well...nevermind then I guess... Drake Clawfang 20:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Togepi's egg

• revelation* Wouldn't that count as one of Brock's temporary pogeys? He was in charge of its care up until it hatched. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Theoretically speaking, yes. Speaking of which... I have a decent pic... I think. ^ht14 04:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Brock is a Badger?

Hi, reading the trivia section. I came across the reference that Brock's name is the same as the term for a male badger. While this is undoubtedly true, what connection does this have to Brock? In my mind this is more likely to just be a slightly bizarre coincidence, given the name's clear derivation from "rock". But I thought I should discuss this before removing it. Any ideas?--Beligaronia (talk) 02:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Definitely remove. CuboneKing 03:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

done. —darklordtrom 23:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation!

Hey guys, shouldn't there be a Disambiguation page for Brock (game) and Brock (anime). I am saying that when a user searches Brock (if he is looking for brock (anime) then there is no Disambiguation page guiding that user to choose Brock (anime) or game, Brock's game article just pop up automatically. So, shouldn't it be disambiguated? ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 11:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Brock (anime) is considered to be a branch off of this page, not a completely different page. Notice how there is the "main article" thing in this page's anime section. ^Maverick_Nate 11:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. Thanks Nate. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 11:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

One more thing, as you know that Brock befriended with Mespirit and they were so close just like Azelf|Ash & Dawn|Uxie. So, I think we should add it in Brock (anime) article in the Befriended Pokémon section because it was not an ordinary friendship, it was like a soul mate thingy. What do you think? ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 11:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ask kenji. That's what I think. ^Maverick_Nate 11:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 11:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry to disagree but there is no anime section in this version of the page for some reason. The only way to get to Brock (anime) is either search it up that way (since there is no disambiguation page for it) or go to the info chart and almost at the end see "Anime counterpart". I personally think there is a huge flaw in this and suggest it should be looked into. YukitoOoO (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Brock's sprites.

Should it be mentioned in the trivia section that Brock's yellow sprite shows him wearing clothes more akin to his Kanto and Johto counterpart, whereas FireRed and LeafGreen show him wearing the Hoenn clothing? In A Manica 21:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

His Advanced Generation and FRLG outfits aren't the same, they've just got the same color scheme.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yea I didn't mean it that way, I meant that they were similar, since FRLG did what Yellow did too is all I'm saying. It seems like it should be put in the trivia to me. In A Manica 00:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

oh never mind, I think I misconstrued what you were saying. In A Manica 01:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Anime Page

For the Anime pages we have on gym leaders, specifically, Brock, Misty, Iris and Cilan, I've seen that there are no disambiguation pages or even notices. Since we have such pages for other game characters who are major characters in the Anime (May and Dawn for example) shouldn't we have them for the gym leaders as well? --Ggb81 00:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessary Trivia

"In Yellow Version, he speaks directly to the player about his training to become a Pokémon Breeder after he is defeated, despite breeding not being present in the game. This is a reference to the goals of his anime counterpart." I noticed this in the trivia section, but it's mentioned pretty much word for word earlier in the article. Does that make it unnecessary to the trivia section? I was going to go ahead and remove it, but I'm new here and I wanted to make sure that I was right in thinking this. I noticed this same issue or similar issue on a couple of other Gym Leader articles as well. Crystal Talian 05:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's already stated early in the article, so it's unnecessary for the article to repeat it, feel free to remove it. Masatoshi_talk 05:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Great, done. Also, I noticed the bullet right below that, about the HG/SS trade also being an anime reference could be easily integrated into the main article. Should this be done? Or should it be left as trivia? Are we trying to reduce trivia sections where possible? Crystal Talian 05:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Leave this one as trivia, as we can't be sure about whether it could be related to his anime counterpart or not. Masatoshi_talk 06:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon Black and White 2

This article needs to be updated with his team from the pokemon world tournament in Black and White, just not sure how it would be done and formatted exactly. Any ideas? Dragonace (talk) 15:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure it will be added once someone has had a chance to battle with him and can confirm what his team his just like the other gym leaders. Frozen Fennec 15:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

It Itches

When brock throws out his last pokemon in hesrtgold/soulsilver he says

"Ha ha ha ha! It itches! It itches!"

WHY!? Why does he say that!?

Pokemon nomekop (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Anime art?

The last picture in the images section at the bottom is labeled as being "for the Advance Generation (anime) series." Shouldn't it go on the Brock (anime) page, then, and not this one...? --FnrrfYgmSchnish (talk) 02:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)