Talk:Friend Safari

Page Creation

Will somebody that can make pages actually start this so we can edit it or give me permission to? The friend safari is actually a very fascinating place that needs to be covered! ViperByte (talk) 17:47, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Didn't even see this message until I went and did it..... Problem solved. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon not obtainable anywhere but the Friend Safari

When adding locations to Pokémon articles, what do we do about these kinds of Pokémon? For example, I have X where Pupitar is unavailable. I caught one in the Friend Safari. Do we put that it's available in both games via Friend Safari? Also, a friend of mine got a Charmeleon from the Friend Safari. Do we list that as a location too? The thing is, everyone gets different Pokémon so that's where I'm not sure. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to answer with my own opinion using both examples you've given.

• For Pupitar, I would say for both X and Y have "Friend Safari" and "Evolve Larvitar" as options, and for Y only, have the locations it can appear in naturally (Route 18 and Terminus Cave, I believe) in addition.
• For Charmeleon, I would say to have "Evolve Charmander" and "Friend Safari" for both games, and leave it at that, since those are the only two ways in either game that it can be obtained.

Anyway, this is just one opinion, but I would say to only ever have "Trade" as an option if there isn't another way to obtain it (besides Evolution), for example, this. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

IMHO, I don't think we should list the Friend Safari as a 'game location' for any species, pretty much ever. My reasoning for this is:

• Friend Safari is not like previous Safari Zones with a fixed selection of wild Pokémon that you can catch all of; it is not like Pokéwalker or Pokémon Dream World of previous games either. Because what you can catch depends on who is registered in your 3DS Friend List (requiring personal exchange of Friend Codes), we can never guarantee that a specific Pokemon will be available in a specific player's game.
• While we obviously do not have a full list, so far almost any non-legendary Pokémon (including wild starter Pokémon) can be caught in the Friend Safari with the correct friends registered. So for Pokemon that are more likely to be acquired via evolution (e.g. Fletchinder), mentioning Friend Safari is about as notable as mentioning that you can acquire a Pokemon from the GTS.

--Stratelier 20:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Given that the amount of Pokémon unavailable in X & Y is over 100 and given the fact that many Pokémon in X & Y cannot be caught there, I think it's relevant to mention it where applicable. We list Regirock, Regice and Registeel being catchable in Platinum despite needing an event Pokémon that can no longer be acquired. Besides, listing the location of all these Pokémon as Trade would imply that they can't be caught in Gen VI at all to at least some people. - Blazios _talk 22:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Blazios, with the added stipulation that I think we should treat it like the Dream World in Gen 5: mention it only if the Pokemon is not otherwise available in-game. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

We mentioned every single occurrence of a Pokémon appearing in the Dream World in Gen V and continue to list them even though they're gone forever, I don't see why this should be any different. I do think the template could use a slight tweaking for it, especially for Pokémon that are version exclusive outside the Friend Safari but available in both versions otherwise. Omitting the information from articles completely for Pokémon that are otherwise obtainable would imply that the Pokémon can't be found in Gen VI with its Hidden Ability (not counting Pokémon found in Hordes and their relatives, naturally). - Blazios _talk 18:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah; I was mistaken on how we treated the Dream World, then. (Did we used to do it the way I said, and then switched to having a separate row for it? I'm not sure how else I could've gotten confused about that...) In that case, why not follow the Dream World/Pal Park's example and make a separate row in the template for the Friend Safari? That's the easiest and most reader-friendly way I can think to incorporate the version exclusivity question you mentioned and to prevent clutter for Pokemon that appear both in FS and in-game. Then, in later versions, if the Friend Safari availability is the same, we can treat it as we currently do the Dream World and Pal Park; and if it's different, we can rename the row "Friend Safari^XY" and add a row for the other version(s). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I suppose it would be possible to have it under a separate header like the Dream World and then list the Safari type in the location? - Blazios _talk 20:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

(reset)

I'm going to repeat what I wrote at Force Fire's talk page.

My suggestion is that any Pokémon catchable in a Friend Safari is notated as such, perhaps with a note stating that the Pokémon in each friend's Safari is random and is based on friend code. Thus, all 216 Pokémon (guessing there are 12 of each of the 18 types, some may be fewer) would be listed as Friend Safari with a note explaining the circumstances, and that listing is identical for all 216.

The reason I take this stance is because all Pokémon CAN be found there. We should be listing where Pokémon CAN potentially be found, not excluding entries because they must be found through a friend with the correct Safari to find it in. USers who have no friends (sad as that sounds, it does happen with younger players quite often since they're not as wired to the Internet and have very few fellow players to play with) will only find the three in their own Safaris. CycloneGU (talk) 04:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for this suggestion. As I've said before, I think it would be incredibly lax of the wiki that aims for comprehensive articles on Pokémon games to blatantly disregard such a large feature of X & Y on so many articles. - Blazios _talk 04:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I was under the impression* that the Friend Safari only had a selection of Pokemon, and not "almost any non-legendary"...But still, I would consider listing Friend Safari locations in a similar manner as the Dream World is currently listed to be a better solution than not listing the Friend Safari as a possible location at all. If I may have to do whatever amount of work, that's fine; just don't make me think that there's absolutely no way to get a Pokemon in Gen VI when I might be able to get it in the Friend Safari. If I know it's available in the Friend Safari, then I can decide whether I want to bother with that; but if you won't tell me, I can't even begin to make that decision. (And I have this thing about wanting to get as much as possible within whatever Generation I'm playing. So I definitely want to know.)

And regarding if the Friend Safari changes in a Gen VI game after X/Y, it might be simpler to just handle it like a version exclusive Pokemon (like Gothita) and just say it's only in the Friend Safari in X/Y or only in Z (or whatever). Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it occurs to me that the "problem" of variable Pokemon in the Friend Safari is very analogous to the situation with White Forest. Certainly the Friend Safari has more possible Pokemon, but the fact is that you also can't "guarantee" that any player will actually have a Pokemon listed as being in "White Forest" in their game. You have to do some work. Just like for the Friend Safari. Yet White Forest locations are listed. So too should Friend Safari locations be (in some manner, at least). Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Gonna respond to a few people at once here, so bear with me.
As far as the initial issue goes, I've already given my opinion, and it's been expanded on plenty. There should certainly be something noted on the species pages, and this may be a whole lot easier once we learn more about what can show up.
To Cyclone: Simple issue, but as far as I'm aware, you cannot access your own Friend Safari, only that of a person registered as your friend. So people with no friends are, for lack of a better term, SOL in that regard.
To Tiddlywinks: As you can see, this list is still a work in progress. It seems, so far, we only have a fraction of what is available. What we do know is that it's based off of the friend code. This goes for type and the three Pokémon that are available. So if, for example, both me and say Cyclone were to resister you in our systems, we would both have access to the same type Safari with the same three Pokémon. At the current moment, that's really all we know. We haven't really been given evidence to say what can't show up. Yet, at the moment, it seems Legends are out, and starters from Gen II-V are not showing up. As far as finding out the remaining details, I did start a thread a while back trying to solve this mystery, but no one has given any response yet. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 14:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Having looked around for a while, the list of Pokémon available is pretty much complete (I've seen people claim the existence of Lapras in the Water type Safari, though I can't confirm it myself. That's the single one I've seen that's missing from the list here). Serebii claims that each Pokémon is set to a specific spot on the Safari, meaning that some are unobtainable until the other person beats the Elite Four (we can't go copying from Serebii and would need to research this further, but I've yet to see a single Pokémon that contradicts his list), though aside from that we seem to have it all there. As we can see, this means that plenty of Pokémon don't appear here and, as I keep droning on about, not listing it is inconsistent with the way the wiki is with providing comprehensive information on articles. - Blazios _talk 17:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Replying to Schiffy: I'm not there yet, so I did not know that. This is very interesting.

Otherwise I am backing what Blazios said. There is nothing comprehensive about excluding information on where Pokémon can be caught from their respective articles. CycloneGU (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Tiddlywinks brought up a great point that I hadn't considered. The Friend Safari mechanic is very similar to the White Forest wild Pokémon. We should handle them both the same way. I would rather we list these Pokémon on both pages, but I also understand that we shouldn't let appearances in the Friend Safari stop the Pokémon from being considered version-exclusive. --SnorlaxMonster 08:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Finding the type based on Friend Code

So, it's clear that the type of a certain person's Friend Safari is based on their System's Friend Code, but what I'm curious to find out is if someone can find exactly how this is done. I could imagine the calculation isn't a world different from calculating whether a Pokémon will be Shiny based on its personality value or similar equations that have been used in games past. But if anyone can find it, it would be a useful addition to the article. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Spreadsheet

This spreadsheet may assist you in figuring out what you have and don't have out of the Friend Safari. Tell me if you have any comments/suggestions/questions!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hK...?usp=drive_web

Download away! (.xlsx) - unsigned comment from Namelessdeath (talk • contribs)

Friend Codes and Friend Safari Areas

Should we have separate Sub-Pages, or just somewhere on the page, to add Friend Codes for various different types so that we can add the type we want.--Tom (My Talk Page) 22:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Explaining how a friend code determines what type is in each person's Friend Safari is fine. Listing people's friend codes, or trading friend codes is something that's better left to the forums. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 22:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I think if someone is willing to offer theirs for examples sake so we can figure out the relation, it might be okay to add.... Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 02:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Coming back to this, I've tried different manners of calculations combining XORs and Modulo 18s to see where it gets me, using the codes I have registered and the types they match up to. I've come up with no ascertainable pattern. If we can get a single forum thread going dedicated to finding the key with people who would, again, be willing to offer their codes for testing purposes, we just might get somewhere. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

IVs

Every pokemon I catch here has 2 random perfect IVs of 31. I don't think it's just me, it's gotta be a fact and worth sharing. DuelKING (talk) 19:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)DuelKINGDuelKING (talk) 19:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I can confirm this one (aside from the fact that Serebii had it, I've tested it plenty of times myself). What I've also noticed, but I'm not sure if this is an always, but two Pokémon in a row that I caught in the Safari also had two random really low IVs (the calculators I used all gave me 0-3 at Level 30 with no EVs, and I would not be surprised if they turned out to be just 0). Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 19:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

The Pokemon always having two perfect IVs is true. The other part, having two really low IVs is not. Also, the IV checker in Kiloude's Pokemon Center will also tell you if they have 0 IVs. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 19:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

To build on this, it seems that the game will allow for three or more perfect IVs by chance, so I doubt there are stats forced lower by the Friend Safari. --Super goku (talk) 23:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

However, why doesn't the IVs show in super training? Superbobbobbob3 (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Based on data I've seen from Friend Safari users in the chat room, most Pokémon run through the bot command !piv from the Safari tend to have three perfect IVs suggested, even though without training which three cannot be confirmed. Also, a few of these Pokémon have higher IVs in the ones that are not perfect, so the others are not necessarily lower. I'll have access to my Safari soon (which I've been told is Ghost, I have no idea why I got stuck with that) and I plan to catch some Pokémon and see what kind of numbers I end up with. CycloneGU (talk) 04:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Er, it's actually extremely easy to see which IVs are perfect without any training whatsoever. The IV guy is in the Pokemon Center in the same town, and he mentions every perfect IV. And having access to mine, it's a complete crapshoot whether the other IVs are good or not. I've had good to perfect in the others, and IVs that were 0. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 04:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not there yet, so I keep forgetting that guy is there. I'll catch up soon. I have been taking my time trying to get data for the Wiki and not actually speeding through the game. I do have access to Victory Road but have yet to visit. CycloneGU (talk) 04:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Shiny Pokémon Chance Increased

I have noticed that various places have said that have found a shiny pokemon very easy in the friend safari (Clamed to be a 1/300 chance and in the friend safari it takes a lest 24 minuets to find one and five hours at the most.). This is some we should test out - unsigned comment from Superbobbobbob3 (talk • contribs)

names

I have noticed that the list with your friends on it will sometimes have different names on it than the ones used in their games. Where does the safari get your friends names from? - unsigned comment from Auragirl (talk • contribs)

The names used in the Friend Safari match the names of the Mii on the 3DS corresponding to that person's code, rather than their X/Y character name. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 15:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Hidden Abilities

From my own experience, Pokémon cannot be found with their Hidden Ability unless that Trainer has 3 Pokémon available (so has defeated the Champion then been online at the same time as you). I am weary about adding this though, as it is only from empirical tests, and is not conclusively known. It's very easy to falsify, not so easy to prove. If anyone has found a Pokémon with its Hidden Ability in the Friend Safari with only 2 Pokémon, please reply here. --SnorlaxMonster 08:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I can test this. I have a large number of friends with only two Pokémon (not playing in other words) and am cruising around Safaris right now. If I get any hidden abilities I'll update with all details except for the user info (obviously). Meanwhile, the infobox is oddly stretched on the page; not sure if this can be fixed? CycloneGU (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Lapras and Shuppet

Can someone confirm if Lapras and Shuppet are available via Water and Ghost Safaris, respectively?

Katrinuh (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)