Talk:XY078

Question

• Why this episode is called special, not XY078?He doesn't possess any difference from a filler episode of the regular series.--Hikaru Wazana 03:50- 18 June 2015

Yeah I'd really like to know why the decision was made for this to be a Pikachu special when it has pretty much everything it needs to be labelled an actual episode of Pokemon XY anime. It had a cohesive XY plot, had the main characters of the XY anime, had HUMAN characters, would be considered an actual episode of XY anime, if there wasn't the decision to make to it a little more stylized than normal. I heavily vote or suggest it be moved XY078. --Dman dustin (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Except that most episodes don't have 4 parts to them, with separate titles for each part. Playerking95 (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Stylized preference of the director of the episode. You honestly couldn't just watch ONE of these parts and get the whole point. The first segment introduced the setting, and the characters, the 2nd segment was about making the film, and finally the third segment was for the movie as well as end the episode, the final segment was just a fun behind the scenes segment taking place during the 2nd segment and before the third segment, but could be done without. The other 3 are vital. --Dman dustin (talk) 04:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Not sure what's going on here, but just wanted add further thoughts. I always thought the criteria for something to be a special had to fit at least three points. 1). It doesn't air on TV Tokyo 2). Lack of human characters within the episode/special like the Pikachu shorts and 3). If there are human characters they can't be the main characters within the current series. So an episode about Misty would be a special, but how in the world is an episode revolving around Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, and Ash, actually has a consistent plot, aired on TV Tokyo considered a special just because it's stylized differently than the normal episode.--Dman dustin (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

On VOD platforms such as hulu, it's considered completely a normal episode, it even also has its own ordinary opening, its own ordinary ending, its own ordinary Oak Caster, and completely ordinary previews linking it in-sequence with the previous/next episodes, which is something that Mega Evolution episodes, and the TV airing of one of the ANA shorts don't even have. If the dub airs it without any issue at all completely in-sequence, will you consider it an ordinary episode then? Bluesun (talk) 05:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, it seems like the dub has skipped this episode, which I think helps to prove that this is more of a special. So I don't think this episode should be moved to XY078 in the future. I know the dub usually changes things, but they wouldn't skip a normal episode for no reason and I don't see why they would skip this one. Playerking95 (talk) 05:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

XY078 (SS033 now) is the "movie episode", which is not considered a special. It also has the preview for XY079 (XY078) at the end of the episode. Seiya Loveless (talk)

I agree, this should be XY078. Even though it is split into 4 parts, and even though the dub didn't air it, it shares many other qualities with normal episodes. As Bluesun said, it has its own opening, its own ending, its own Oak segment, and its own preview. Additionally, a good portion of the community considers this to be XY078 and it sorta throws them off when they come to Bulbapedia and see that all the subsequent episodes are like an episode off. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Lots of people also believe that certain Pokemon names are pronounced a certain way, when in fact the way they pronounce them is incorrect. So just because lots of people consider it a normal episode, that does not make it so. There's no reason why even a special episode can't include the normal opening, ending and Oak Live Caster segments. Do you expect them to make up an original opening and ending for just one special? Because I'm sure they would have more important things to do than that. Playerking95 (talk) 04:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Or they could what they did with the mega evolution acts, and not give it an opening or an ending and just a fancy title screen, which they didn't do. I mean this isn't like the Iris and Cilan specials, is it? No, because Ash wasn't a part of them and that's why it was called a special. I mean why wasn't DP117 treated like a special? Why isn't XY079, or XY081? (since those episodes are barely about Ash at all) Being segmented was never a condition for an episode to being a special. But suddenly when this episode airs, suddenly its a condition. This episode violates what Bulbapedia has argued is considered a special this whole time. The thing is the segments are interconnected and cannot be seen by themselves, their just stylized chapters within and episode. Or in terms of a Movie theater play or movie. We have Act 1 introducing the characters, Act 2 revealing the problem, Act 3 the conclusion. DVD movies have their own "chapters" so you can skip to that part of the movie. All this episode was, is a normal XY episode with stylized breaks and a different approach to how a usual episode goes. Unprecedented in the entire Pokemon anime, and JUST because of it being different, it's merely considered a special, for the hell of it. For no reason, then because its different. --Dman dustin (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I also agree that this should be XY078. The two episodes together (This and XY077) aired as a "1 hour special", but individually they are seperate episodes. Why does this get special treatment and the other one doesn't, especially after the other valid points which have been raised here? As previously mentioned, the community as a majority counts this as XY078. There is no official statement saying if this is a special or not (and this goes for everything) so nobody is *right*; Someone just needs to make sure that things are consistent. Pronunciations can't really be used as a good example of something that is definitely right either, since there have been a number of different official pronunciations of the same pokemon, for example Arceus has ar-see-us, ar-say-us and ark-ee-us in English media. Astralradish (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's ridiculous that this is actually being fought. Dman dustin brought up an excellent point in that most of the other special episodes (aside from the DP and BW specials, which aired after the conclusion of their respective series) use either some sort of special opening, or none at all. But either way, I don't quite understand how Bulbapedia as a whole is looking at this. Just because it was split into 4 parts, they decided to place it as a special, and now we're trying to work back to a mainstream XY episode. Maybe try looking at it the other way, it'd probably make a lot more sense. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

This is an unusual case because it was "presented" in a different format than the normal XY series episodes, but was also presented in a different format than the past specials. I'd call it a regular episode without any evidence to the contrary. Bwburke94 (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Since this is being placed as being aired later in Season 18 as "Lights! Camera! Pika!", can't we just label this as XY078 and be done with it, please? Even the Pocket Monsters Subs label this as Episode 78. --Gen6Fan (talk)

I agree, this should be XY078, this being aired later in the dub means that it will be out of order as with EP052 & EP053. Another way to be sure is to wait till this episode airs, if it is listed in Pokemon.com's listing for Season 18, then it is a regular episode, aired out of order by the dub. If this is a special, then Pokemon.com will not add it in the regular episodes list, as with Mega Evolution specials. If this is a regular, then it will be added there, as with Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out. → PikaTepig999 7:32 PM, October 16, 2015 (IST) 14:02, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Cartoon Network seems to be officially considering this a regular episode (seeing as how the actual specials are not included in the Zap2it episode guide list). Also, fansubs of Japanese episodes are not official sources, but what Cartoon Network is considering it from what Zap2it says is, and Zap2it is a reliable source. This is also interfering with if we should list a dub review thread on the Bulbagarden Forums or not since we don't do this for special episodes, even though an episode number is listed for the dub on Zap2it's episode guide. - PokémonGamer* 00:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

While everything looks like it is a normal episode, we should really wait to see if Pokémon.com lists it under Season 18. It would be a huge waste to move it and then have to move it back if they didn't consider it a main episode. --HoennMaster 07:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

From @BulbaNewsNOW's twitter:

"SS033 (Lights! Camera! Pika!) is now on iTunes in the UK, US, Canada & Australia. It is the 1st SS episode available in an XY iTunes volume."

So it's being listed under Season 18 on iTunes. Not Pokemon.com yet. --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I'd say it's pretty obvious this isn't a special episode. It's on Pokémon.com now (under season 18), it's available on iTunes (under season 18), Ash is a main character in it, and it has the normal intro. There's literally nothing that indicates that this episode is a special, it really needs to be moved. --15avaughn (talk) 21:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)