Talk:Pokémon Sun and Moon

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What generation?

I know this is very unusual, having a talk page created before its main page counterpart, but do we have enough information to outright confirm S/M as part of Generation VII? Bwburke94 (talk) 15:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I know generations aren't really official per se, so there's no way of really knowing, especially without knowing what region they take place in. Nutter Butter (talk) 15:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

No confirmation yet, but the official website mentions that you have to use Pokémon Bank to trade from XYORAS, which would suggest a new gen as otherwise you could just trade directly. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 15:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Also another hint that this game is in Gen VII is in the decription of this clip I cite "The next era of Pokémon games has been announced! Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are coming to the Nintendo 3DS family of systems in late 2016! Visit our site for more information!" --Raltseye 15:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

http://pokemon.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=1942&lang=en&region=United+Kingdom Torpoleon (talk) 18:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

In other languages

Could someone add this?

Language Title French Pokémon Soleil et Lune German Pokémon Sonne und Mond Italian Pokémon Sole e Luna Spanish Pokémon Sol y Pokémon Luna

--Raltseye 16:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Language Title Chinese Cantonese 精靈寶可夢 太陽·月亮 Mandarin 精灵宝可梦 太阳·月亮 French Pokémon Soleil et Lune German Pokémon Sonne und Mond Italian Pokémon Sole e Luna Spanish Pokémon Sol y Pokémon Luna

And this. Thought the language codes for Chinese aren't quite right, the template doesn't currently support any other way of doing it. The "Mandarin" name is the name in Simplified characters, and the "Cantonese" one is the Traditional characters name. The Taiwanese name would be Mandarin as well, but written the "Cantonese way". - BZD (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Langlinks

Someone should add the langlinks from [1]. --Chandelure2509 (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

It's going to be based on Malaysia

[2] MannedTooth (Talk) 23:55, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Take a good look at that whole history with a skeptical mind... I'm not, personally, sure how to check if a Twitter account is verified or anything, but it seems very unlikely that's really Shigeru Miyamoto. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. So we'll just ignore it xP MannedTooth (Talk) 00:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say this, but you don't need a skeptical mind to notice that's a parody account. 100% fake, just look at all the profanity and dank memes there are there. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 03:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Interesting facts that might be considered added

[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] MannedTooth (Talk) 23:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Same as above... Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Chinese Logos

Since when do we put Chinese logos in the gallery? :O MannedTooth (Talk) 01:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Since they started existing. These are the first games officially translated into Chinese. glik^glak 01:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I know, but what I mean is, why do we keep these and not the others? (French, etc.) MannedTooth (Talk) 01:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I think it's because they use a different writing system for their language, unlike the European ones, all of which use the romanian alphabet. That said, I don't think there's anything preventing us from adding the European logos in the galleries too. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 03:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

A little bit of trivia

These are the first non-remake games since Red, Green and Blue that use symbols on their logos. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 03:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

HGSS seem to have symbols. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

"Non-remake." Luckytama (talk) 04:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Considering the kinds of symbols that are on RGB, I think excluding remakes is a very arbitrary condition; the symbols on the remakes are used very like those on RBG. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Korean logos

I would add them to the page myself if I could, but here are the Korean logos. If someone can add them to the page, I would greatly appreciate it. -- Nick15 (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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  Korean Pokémon Sun logo

• 

  Korean Chinese Pokémon Moon logo

Added to the page. --Abcboy (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Nick15 (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Professor

Are you sure Hala is the Professor? I mean, I know he was the one who sent the starter Pokemon out, but Professors are usually named after trees and Kukui is a type of tree, or is related to trees. Playerking95 (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Hala tree or Pandanus tectorius is a tree that grows on Hawaii, so both characters are named after trees. --Basinox (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Neither of them have been called a professor (or -hakase), so the point is that it's premature to call either of them "Professor _____", as this page does in the caption of the screenshot of Hala. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Solgaleo and Lunaala.

It's pretty much certain that their names will be Solgaleo and Lunaala. Considering that the Moon one is LEO like Lion and SOLGA like Solar and GALEO like Galileo - unsigned comment from Theexploringgamer (talk • contribs)

When there's some confirmation, great. Until then, it's still speculation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

So what about the Pokemon on the front covers of Sun and Moon? Theexploringgamer (talk) 15:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean what about them? Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Should we make an article with the "Solgaleo" and "Lunaala" names and put the "The subject of this article has no official name.

The name currently in use is a fan designator; see below for more information." message? Theexploringgamer (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

For the "See Below" Part, you could put "Fans currently speculate this Pokemon's name after 2 names from the Pokemon Company were revealed in  :::::the Japenese Trademark database" 15:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC) - unsigned comment from Theexploringgamer (talk • contribs)

Until they are officially revealed, it is (as you said) purely speculation what the names will be. There's already limited enough information and speculation running rampant with the new region and starters, there's no need to post entirely speculative articles that ave nothing more than a picture and possible Japanese name. ChE clarinetist (talk) 16:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

True. There are things we might do to showcase unidentified Pokemon somehow, but not that. We generally want to stick to describing confirmed details; Bulbapedia isn't a news site that really needs to stay abreast of current (or the most "likely") rumors. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Apparently these two names were leaked through trademarks. We don't know if these trademarks are real or not, but at least for now we know that the trademarks for the Japanese names of Rowlet, Litten, and Popplio are real. Crum Mum 19:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

So now that the leaks confirmed these true, except Lunala's extra a, could we consider any other new trademarks true? Theexploringgamer (talk) 20:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Game Freak has also, over the years, filed trademarks for things like "Pokémon Delta Emerald" and "Pokémon Gray." We can't trust that any particular trademark will be actually implemented. Any given trademark could be changed or abandoned entirely before being publicly revealed. So no, we can't treat trademarks as fact. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

However, we all already thought Delta Emerald wouldn't happen because of OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire. And Grey, I can't argue with that. But we had enough evidence to assume, due to the Lion legendary, and the naming of Solar, Galieo, and Leo, that we could've peiced together the name.... Theexploringgamer (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

We don't need to make assumptions. Just be patient and wait for official news. If you're so eager to discuss what might be, you may wish to explore the forums instead. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:36, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay! I'll try my best to stop getting ahead of myself. Theexploringgamer (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Trailers [June 2nd]

UK: Explore the Alola Region in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon!, Explore the Alola Region in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon! (North America), (Japan 1), (Japan 2), (Japan 3), (Japan 4), (Japan 5), (Japan 6), (Japan 7). --Super goku (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Protagonist Names

According to the E3 2016 trailer, the names of the protagonists may be Elio and Selene because Elio is from Helios the Greek word for Sun and Selene is the Greek word for Moon and they probably used the names for both the manga and the game in the Battle Royal part or maybe they are just tricking us. --Red Yoshi Team Moon (talk) 21:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Note that they also used the names Sun and Moon in the Battle Royal. We don't know which of these names, if any, will be the official names. Either or both pairs could just be names they're using for promotional materials. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

As with everything else, if it's not 100% confirmed, it doesn't go on the site. --HoennMaster 05:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Magearna

Shouldn't Magearna's new artwork be in the gallery? Nutter Butter (talk) 21:59, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Magearna has been added. CycloneGU (talk) 23:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Pokedex

Not sure if this is relevant or not, but I had a look at some one of the games gameplay footage from E3 and it showed a Pokedex entry that listed a Pokemon's height with meters and the weight in kilograms instead of the heights being measure in inches and the weights being measure in pounds. Should this be mentioned here and or on the Pokedex page? Playerking95 (talk) 14:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It's still prerelease. We'll wait and see. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I will say that should it only appear in pre-release information, then we can add it to the relevant article for Beta Pokémon games in November. --Super goku (talk) 16:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Rotom Pokedex be included as an Alola variant? (Shadoguardian (talk) 09:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC))

That's not a natural adaptation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Tapu Koko location in the gallery?

I'm a stickler for proper ordering so bear with me

Whether or not Tapu Koko is a legendary, shouldn't he be listed next to Solgaleo and Lunala in the gallery just solely for his unique plot-related role instead of being between two seemingly typical Pokemon? Nutter Butter (talk) 10:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree, since it is referred to as a "guardian deity", which no other non-legendary (that I can think of at the moment) has been referred tto something like it.Animaltamer712:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

If it's revealed as Legendary, it can be moved. Otherwise, it'll be just fine until the game is released and that section is just removed from this page entirely. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

But even if it isn't legendary, it's special in that it's still plot-related, so it should be separate from the normal Pokemon, even if not grouped with the legendaries. And even if that doesn't count, putting it between Salandit and Solgaleo would still keep it grouped with the normal Pokemon (as much as Salandit is now) while also not requiring a move should it be revealed to be legendary. Nutter Butter (talk) 05:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

The rules for that order are already complex enough and probably as complex as they need to be. Frankly, your "plot-related" criteria is just another way of saying you think it'll be Legendary, so we should assume it belongs in that vicinity. No, thank you; we don't need to jump the gun on a half-baked prayer. If it's officially revealed as Legendary, it can be moved. For now, it's fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Frankly, I find it rude and insulting that you thought you could read my mind. I honestly believe that plot-related counts as criteria for special treatment, regardless of legendary status.

That said, I was unaware there are actually official rules for ordering. May I have a link please? I'd like to know for future reference. Nutter Butter (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, then. I'll just go back to what I said at first: it's just not important enough, it's fine until the games come out.

The criteria right now is basically starters first, Legendary/Mythicals last, and the rest ordered by reveal between (with allowance for families). Both starters and Legendary/Mythicals are pretty strictly defined; everything else isn't. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:13, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey admins

This is your friendly reminder that because this page is locked, you have to update it. Nutter Butter (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

It gets updated every time new information comes out. They don't need a reminder about it. --HoennMaster 23:59, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I sent that because it had been a few hours since the new information was released, and they were online doing other things, but the page had not yet been updated. So... Nutter Butter (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, we should probably include Minior's core artwork, and the characters. Nutter Butter (talk) 01:10, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

At various times, various people may always have various obligations not related to the site at all.

...That said, we're very aware when there are new updates like this, so we do try to get to it as soon as we can. If it's been a whole day, then maybe we're late. Otherwise, just give us a bit more of a chance, maybe. Thanks. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:16, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is Minior's core artwork not going to be added? If not, shouldn't Oricorio's different forms' artworks be removed? Nutter Butter (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It will be uploaded when it gets uploaded. Don't be ridiculous, just have some patience.--ForceFire 04:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Chinese pronunciation and meaning

Well, in the "In other Languages" section, the {{tt}} of the Chinese is the pronunciation. But shouldn't it be the meaning in {{tt|in chinese|meaning}} and the pronunciation in Italic right to it? Lokki (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Tapu Koko + Kanto Pokémon

I know this was discussed before, but I feel Tapu Koko should be moved to after Crabrawler. This is because on the Japanese site it has it's own category (when translated via Google, it's "Guardian Angel of Alola [Arora]), which I feel is noticeable. Also, should we add the Kanto Pokémon that were added to the Japanese site? (Dragonite, Dratini, Dragonair, Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Gyarados, Magikarp, Spearow, Fearow, Pinsir, Lapras, Arcanine, Growlithe, Psyduck & Golduck.) If some could answer, that'd be nice. AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Prior to the release of a core series game, our galleries typically only display the new Pokemon or forms that will debut, not old Pokemon that will return. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. (This is the first time I've actively followed a game's release.) But still, what about Tapu Koko? AmoongussForLife (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Like you said. It was discussed above. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I understand the points made there. I just don't get why it being classified as a "Guardian Deity" doesn't mean anything. It's pretty apparent that it is more on par with legends or mythicals, as it has it's own catergory on the japanese site, and is in the large box with Solgaleo, Lunala, and Magearna on the english site. AmoongussForLife (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

"Apparent" amounts to little better than speculation. Nothing is explicit. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Let me clarify, then. It's "apparent" that it'll be on par with the legends, but it's explicitly stated that it's definitely it's own class; otherwise, it'd be listed with all the other Pokémon on the Japanese site. I'm not saying we need to classify it as such, just that it should be moved to before Solgaleo. AmoongussForLife (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Victini is a legendary, or as you say it, in its own class, but look at where it's placed. We're not going to assume that it's near Solgaleo and Lunaala because of its apparent legendary status. It will be re-ordered accordingly when they actual explicitly (read: actually call it a legendary or the game dex shows its placement) say it.--ForceFire 04:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. AmoongussForLife (talk) 13:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Update

Well, we already have UB02 in Ultra Beasts and the evolved form of Rockruff, so I don't really understand why this article isn't yet updated by someone from the staff... Lokki (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

It's been literally less than 10 minutes since they were revealed. Chill. Bulbapedia is not on a deadline. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Pokémon Moves

Are Pokémon still limited to having only four moves? There are rumors circling across the Internet that this number has been increased to five. Kangaflora (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The E3 gameplay footage appears to have room for only 4 moves on the gameplay menu, but other than that I don't think anything has been officially said or hinted one way or the other. It's possible the rumors you're hearing are garbled interpretations of the fact that Pokémon will be able to use a Z-Move in addition to the (presumably four) moves in their moveset. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I believe indeed that the fifth move would be a Z-Move. This, however, needs playing to confirm, or some kind of gameplay to show a Z-Move being used while retaining the other four moves. It appears that the main four moves remain as the four normally useable moves from what we have so far seen. CycloneGU (talk) 18:31, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Video footage from when "Hyper-Sprintangriff" was revealed show four moves available first, then the Z-Move after pressing the "Z-Kraft" (Z-Power) button (see footage in here, for example*). Note that this is in a Battle Royal. Also, Pulverizing Pancake is known to "transform" Snorlax's Giga Impact. Nescientist (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Pause at the time in this link to an english trailer to see that Z-moves appear as a Z-Power button on the other side of the menu to use a move. The Pokémon this is for is Litten (the opposing Pokémon is under the moves), and it knows Growl, Lick, Leer and Fire Fang, and is selecting Z-Power to use the Z-move Inferno Overdrive. Since all we know about Z-Moves is that the Pokémon must know a move of the same type as the type that works with the Z-Crystal, that the description of the Z-Crystals state that they convert Z-Power into crystals that cause moves of a given type to be upgraded into Z-Moves of that type (the description uses Z-Moves, not Z-Move or the name of a Z-Move) and that some Z-Crystals only work for a specific Pokémon while allowing a special Z-Move, and the footage cuts straight to the Z-Move being charged, it is even possible that after selecting Z-Power it is necessary to select a move as well, which would (if Z-Moves have varied attributes or change to different Z-Moves depending on the move upgraded into a Z-Move) allow the player to chose which one to upgrade if the Pokémon knows multiple moves of that type, and prevent players from simply using a Z-move on wild Pokémon to knock them out without using any PP of any move. While the footage in general shows how this is probably a rumour that Pokémon will be able to learn 5 moves, and how such a rumour could have started if seen with no context in a foreign language (This trailer is new to the English language, but had a Japanese version a while ago). If my guess/theory is true, even holding a Z-Crystal would not add a fifth move, only upgrade an existing one when activated. PartHunter (talk) 03:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

It's like Mega Evolution. A fifth button for moves. It does not upgrade an existing move. Ifni400 (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Dugtrio

I know we can't add any of the Datamined stuff to the page, but Alolan Dugtrio is actually in the demo, so shouldn't that be added? Vienna Waltz (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Unlisted Features

Out of curiosity, is there any reason why Pokémon Refresh and Poké Finder aren't included in the list of features (or at least Rotom Pokedex for Poké Finder)? Also, I think the 12 hour differences between versions is also an important feature that might need to be noted. Aozora210 (talk) 22:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Apricorns

Is it not worth mentioning that these are the only games not set in Johto where Apricorn Balls are usable items? Even when they're hacked into the bag in other games, they're unusable. It's also fairly odd that you can only get one of each. Me, Hurray! (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Trivia

Is this the first game that a pokemon's uniunique sprite appears in the overworld before battling it(pokemon jumping from bushes and dropping from the sky)?Alondon17 (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There have been plenty of times before that Pokemon have used unique (i.e. not generic/shared with other Pokemon) overworld sprites in the overworld — off the top of my head, Snorlax from Gen 1 was the first, and it became widespread starting with Gen 3's legendaries. If you're asking whether this is the first time a Pokemon's in-battle sprite or model appears in the overworld... I wouldn't say it's fair to call the cutscenes as Totem battles start "the overworld" (after all, the models appear only in cutscenes and not in the overworld in general), and I'm not sure whether or not other models (e.g. Wimpod) are technically the same as the in-battle models. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

so it's the first to do that for random encountersAlondon17 (talk) 18:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I would potentially disagree as I believe that a similar mechanic is available in the Kalos games and I am unsure as to what model those games use for their ambush encounters. --Super goku (talk) 20:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

forget what I said about what model. I meant not the generic black shadowAlondon17 (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Non-seen

As far as I can tell, every Pokemon can be obtained or seen without trading besides the following:

• Rowlet, Dartrix, Litten, Torracat, Popplio, Brionne
• Sun: Lunala, Pheromosa, Celesteela, Bastiodon
• Moon: Solgaleo, Buzzwole, Kartana, Carracosta

For the player, this is ameliorated by the QR scanner feature, but is this worth mentioning? To my understanding, the previous games made a point of including every character somewhere, and Sun Moon definitely at least ramped up the variety of who you fight once you get to Poni Island.KrytenKoro (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

As far as I know, it's only Diamond, Pearl and Platinum that made sure the player could register every Pokemon as "seen". Earlier games as well as Black and White certainly didn't, and I don't know one way or the other about HGSS, B2W2, XY and ORAS. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)