Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4

Ash's Pokemon in the Manga

Should we add Ash's pokemon from the manga because he does have a few different pokemon than he does in the anime. (Such as Fearow & Oddish).

Actors

Should we have pages for the voice actors? I have quite a bit of info on Veronica Taylor for one. - Ferret 22:57, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Should I add the LatinAmerican voice actors? --NIDOKING 21:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hoenn Ash?

Should a picture of Ash in his AG Clothing be somewhere in this article (does the Battle Frontier one count?)? - PikamasterADV 00:14, 08 Aug 2006

• Yeah, his Battle Frontier and Hoenn outfits are the same. Matty 14:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Is there something wrong with this wiki, or is it just my comp? Because this entire wiki doesn't seem to have any pictures. The labels and names are there, but the pictures don't show up. What's wrong? Pokemon Master Nick 17:36, 16 December 2006

Ash & Me

Ash and me go all the way back.

He's my main man, and my homie. RocketM

Family

Who are Kotoko Marumatsu and Sam?

Apparently, characters from some manga only one user knows about. - 振霖_T 01:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ash, a Pokemon Coordinator??

Omigosh, Ash totally enters a contest in DP011, does it mean he will like totally continue doing contests? If he continues, would he be considered a Pokemon coordinator? =p <--Hikari-chan 20:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Does not mean he will continue. In fact, it's extremely unlikely he will. If he did continue, though, yes, that would mean he can be considered one. --a sick Pie 22:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Pie.

Most likely Ash will not continue entering contests to become a cooridinator. Afterall, his main goal is and will always be, to become a Pokemon Master. Which makes me ask the question of WHY he wanted to start doing contests in the first place. It makes no sense to me whatsoever......

My guess is that he was testing the waters. After all, he wants to be a Pokémon master, so... he should obviously master EVERYTHING about them. Or something. Maybe he should go start buying capes and get Marina to fangirl him. Tom Temprotran 10:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ash Loses to Gym Leaders

Is it really a true statement to say that Ash loses to one Gym Leader in each region? As I recall it, he didn't lose to any of the Gym Leaders in the Orange Islands. Or are we just going by Game Regions? - Kenji-Girl

You're right about the Orange Islands Gym Leaders. Perhaps that should be noted in the article that he's only lost to Gym Leaders featured in the games. --PAK Man 02:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that whoever wrote that meant he always loses a battle against a gym leader. Remember, the Gyms in the Orange Islands didn't focus on battling like most gyms, but rather had trainers go through special tests of skill.--Dual 03:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Not strictly true since both Rudy and Luana battle, Rudy having same-type battles and Luana doing double battles. Ash won first time against both, so thus the statement that Ash has lost at least one battle against a gym leader in each region is wrong. -- Nebula 17:48, 16 September 2007 (UK Time)

Does Ash Have a Dad?

If Delia is ashes mom, then who is his dad? --Theryguy512 20:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

No one knows, although there are a few possiblities on who he could be-Mawile the deciever

Of course Ash has a dad. Everyone does. We just don't know who he is. - Kenji Girl

Biologically, he has a father but Delia had 100+ one-time partners, so she doesn't know which one is Ash's father. --Maxim 14:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Bad Maxim. No baseless speculation written as fact. That's how rumors start, you know. --Pie ^~♪♫ 16:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Lol, I was just kidding. --Maxim 10:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how likely that "slow revelation" PUSA mentioned is to actually happen. The "Who is Eric Cartman's father" thing South Park did would beat anything Pokémon could do anyway. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Two Deaths?

Perhaps this is just me, but doesn't the time when Ash was consumed by the antibodies in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew also count as a death? --Skully Collins 10:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes it does, in this video Banks says "..they're meant to encapsulate foreign parasites and eliminate them.."

That means when Ash was engulfed by one of those things, he was "eliminated". E.g Destroyed, Killed. --Pluvia 03:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean they did it yet. It seemed more like Mew stopped the elimination process before it happened. There's really no solid proof that he died. --Kenji Girl.

It is a weird situation. Which is one reason why I put "at least twice", because I don't know if it should count or not. They certainly treated it as a death, though, not "he's slowly being digested or something and there's only such and such amount of time to save him". They treated it as "he's gone and never coming back... well, except Mew can completely bend reality and restore everyone who was killed by red blobs". --Pie ^~♪♫ 04:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

But don't white blood cells "kill" the "bacteria" almost immediately, if not straight away? So how can Mew stop the elimination process if it had already happened? Perhaps, and with all due respect to Kenji-Girl when I say this, but aren't you mixing it up with a "digestion" process? If not, then I apologise - But if so, then white blood cells don't technically digest, or "eat", their ermm...how to put this?..."food"(?) rather consume, or to put it IMO better "destroy", it - digestion involves taking nutrition from the thing being consumed. Anyway, sorry for the (possibly flawed) biology lesson. --Skully Collins 13:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

No, no, that's what I thought, too. I'm not a biology expert, though, and my teachers never went into that much depth about how white blood cells work. But all signs point to them being destroyed as soon as the tree's red blobs (wow, I use really technical terms, huh?) engulfed them. Particularly when you notice the blobs just shrink and disappear into the tree after. With nothing visible inside. I mean, if they're still there, it seem they're not being carried away in one piece. Also, it sort of makes sense that completely undoing that could expend Mew's energy so much and, in turn, harm the tree so badly - rather than just stopping a few "cells" carrying the humans and making them return them to the tree's interior. --Pie ^~♪♫ 15:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't matter - I'm just happy someone agrees with me - Just a bit of curiosity: What happens afterwards? Am I guessing correctly that there is crying involved? (Sorry, the movie hasn't been shown in the UK yet! I would rant on about how we Europeans seem to get everything last but that isn't the subject at hand :-P) --Skully Collins 16:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Why doesn't Mewtwo Strikes Back count? The petrification was to all intents and purposes a death and was treated as such by the movie.

It looks like they also removed the part about Ash dying in the Tower of Terror episode as well. Not sure why they did this but what ever. --☆ケンジガール 03:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ash's Age

Gamesmaster just changed Ash's age. Whie I find '13' more likely than 'still 10', do we have any confirmation of this? -Cassius335

According to canon, Ash is 10. They haven't mentioned a change at all, even though he's been traveling for three or four years. In fact, at the start of AG, two years into his journey, they said he was ten, like May. TTEchidna 20:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

They actually said that on-screen? -Cassius335

I knew this would happen when we added the ages to the profiles. Now we are having edit wars over what Ash's age really is. The truth is, we have no idea how old he is. I doubt that he's still ten though. I think we should put his age as ten, and then say (as of debut). --☆ケンジガール 03:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That could work. Personally I was tempted to put "10 (yes, still)", just to be sarky.

In the Pikachu and Pichu Short Ash celebrated his one-year anniversary of when he first met Pikachu. Ash first met Pikachu on his tenth birthday which means he has to be at least eleven -Wynautluvr

But if you recall, in the episode when they returned to Viridian City during the first season, the group said that it had been a whole year sinse they were in Viridian, meaning that he had to be eleven then too. And in the short, Ash just said "This is the day we first met." He never said how long it had been since. Most of the mentioning of years has to do with the dub. I don't think the original even mentions it. So again, it can't be determined. --☆ケンジガール 20:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Which is a point in itself: The original probably counts for this more than the dub. -Cassius335

Aging in the anime states Bulbapedia's policy on this so 10 goes in the article.

The anime is hardly a realistic scenario when it comes to the context of aging or families so Ash still being 10 regardless of years passing is entirely believable. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 11:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a section for Ash's age.

I there is a lot of debate over Ash's true age so is it possible for someone add a section discussing his age on his page? Maybe it can also list the reasons for the different ages. - unsigned comment from Kirby3003 (talk • contribs)

I realize that there is debate, and there have been countless times where somebody has edited Ash's page claiming his age is 15. However, as it currently stands, he is ten years old. Keep in mind that cartoon characters rarely, if ever, age. Look at The Simpsons, Hey Arnold, Rugrats, or pretty much any other cartoon out there. Just because all these years have gone by doesn't really mean anything to a cartoon character. So for now, until we hear official word stating otherwise, Ash's age will be listed as ten. I personally think the page looks fine now, stating that as of EP001 he's ten. --PAK Man ^Talk 00:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

- Aging in anime isn't completely unheard of either, though most of the examples I can think of involve a timeskip (Naruto, Digimon Zero 02, and soon Ben 10) - Cassius335

There really isn't enough canon information to be able to go beyond what is already in Aging in the anime. It all comes down to personal interpretation when anyone goes for any age other than 10 or 12. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 16:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, can we stop the age argument? All we know is that he was 10 at his debut. We have no idea how old he is now. He could still be 10 or he could be older. WE DON'T KNOW. The writers never mention so we shouldn't go and make guesses. And I HIGHLY doubt that he's 15. If Brock looked like he did at 15 what would make you think that Ash was? Would his voice not change? Anyway we should just leave it at 10. --☆ケンジガール 02:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

His voice did change. It changed from Veronica Taylor to Sarah Natochenny. Zurqoxn 03:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Might I quickly point out that the voice change would have no effect on his age? They only changed it because Pokemon USA decided to dub the Pokemon anime, and chose not to hire the older voice actors. -Mudkipchan 03:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I know. That was supposed to be funny. Maybe I should have put a :) there. Zurqoxn 05:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That's always been a favourite theory of mine, too. That Season 9 was when Ash's voice broke, somehow managing to break the voices of everyone else nearby in the process. Sadly, As of the Hippotas episode, Satoshi still doesn't have chest hair, so... - Alan 14:05 (GMT), 7 September 2007

Well neither has Brock and he's 15 =P. And what about James? He's even older and doesn't have any. --☆ケンジガール 02:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Touche! ^_^ Alan

If you want to stop discussing it, fine, but the only thing that'll stop the argument once and for all is if we can finally get some concrete information that everyone is happy with. - Alan

But the writers will never give us that, sadly. The closest we have to concrete evidence is the fact that Brock's siblings look almost the same after all this time whereas the youngest would definately be bigger if they had aged numerous years. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 12:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe humans evolve too... :p - Alan

With the amount of attention the writers pay to realism, they probably do. ;) --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 20:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we shall take the text "This is the day we meet" quote from Pikachu and Pichu as a proof that he is atleast eleven? - Pokémon Lover King Mario?

Plus, if Shinji is (at least) 11, Ash sure as heck is. sigh All circumstantial, though. - Alan

Yet he doesn't call it a birthday and is still 10 at the start of AG.

There really is no answer so going round in circles won't help. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 15:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

ash cross dressing

i was just wondering did ash wear a dress twice i only saw him do it once and that was back in Kanto

He did it again in Love at First Flight, when they were in Hoenn. He was dressed as a woman named Juliet. --☆ケンジガール 22:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

WHY?

Why does everyone think Ash is so good? He seems almost a discrace to me. His Bulbasaur and Squirtle never evolved. And his Pikachu hasn't evolved yet. Ash stopped it from evolving. I thought he wanted to be the world's greatest Pokémon Master? I really can't see him becoming even an acceptable trainer. And winning against Juan and losing first time to Roark is just ridiculous. He's seen legendary quite a lot of legendarys throughout the whole anime. Did he challenge it? No. Did he throw a single Pokéball at it? No! What sort of trainer is he?Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 05:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The anime and games are different. Remember what happened when Lawrence III tried to capture Moltres? TTEchidna 05:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Who's Lawrence IIISamrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 05:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Some crazy guy who tried to capture the three legendary birds. According to the anime, this is illegal...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{Talk | DP} 07:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Not illegal per se... More like, catching legendary Pokémon throws off the balance of nature and causes untold disaster. --DarkfireTaimatsu 07:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Uh yeah, what he said...also, I don't think Ash is strong enough to earn the respect of each and every one of the legendaries...File:Ani475MS.gif [[User:Optimus35|Agen<span style="col

est? You see my point. In the games strength does matter but in the anime, it's a completely different story.

And I defenately don't believe he's a disgraceful trainer because his Pokémon didn't want to evolve. If you recall, Pikachu and Bulbasuar didn't even want to evolve. A disgraceful trainer, in my mind, is some one like Paul. One who forces his Pokémon to the limit even though they can go no further. But I guess people would be afraid to call Paul desgraceful because he is actually based on us, the players, who look for the best Pokémon and get rid of the ones that don't live up to our standers. In my mind, maybe all of us should try to be more like Ash. But I guess we are just to worried about losing once in a while. --☆ケンジガール 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I over heard him saying in the very first episode that he wanted to be the best. Can't see that happening. I bet I could beat him any day.Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 02:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

As can Paul, but Paul's an asshole. Being the best Trainer can mean having the best Pokémon or being the best person to your Pokémon. TTEchidna 03:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to brag or anything, but I do both. Just like millions of other people do. I also agree that Paul is a ******* asshole and a **** and also a ******* retard. But it did not suprise me that Ash lost the Indigo League, the Johto and the Hoenn.Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 05:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Take your complaint somewhere else cause frankly, I'm sick of your Ash bashing. Why don't you learn that games are completely different from what happens in the anime. It's easy to say he's weak when your Pokémon are top notch. Well let me use this example. What's easier? Playing a pro football game or playing a video game of a football game? Wouldn't it be much harder to play the real thing? You have to make sure you eat right and do a lot of excercising were as the video game you just sit on the couch and let your fingers do the work. Now just imagine if Pokémon were real. You'd need to stay in top physical condition in order to travel from place to place. It's easy to just sit down in your bed and play a video game but it's a completely different story if you need to get up and travel on foot, spend day after day training your Pokémon, taking them to a center when they are hurt, and be away from home most of the time. That's why you could never possibly understand what Ash is going through be cause you're just playing a video game and Ash is living it. --☆ケンジガール 07:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I hardly even play the games anymore. I've more or less done everything there is to do on them. And, oh yeah, I imagine. Just about every night and every day. And I sure agree that very few people know what it is like to live the life of a Pokémon trainer (except if you were like a Pokémon freak and did exactly what Ash did). But to be quite honest, I am not in bad shape^_^. I'm not trying to really diss Ash, he's probably an all right sort of guy, but I just can't help thinking that he is sort of a slow learner. And I think that I would do my research before I start my big, long, away from home journey, so that I know at least a Pidgey or a Caterpie when I see one. Also, if my Bulbasaur or Pikachu didn't want to evolve, then I don't think that I would use it, maybe look after it as a pet, but not use it in battle.Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 08:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

You would. Now. But can you honestly tell me you would have done the same thing at 10 years old? I highly doubt that. I also find it interesting that you would make such a Paul-like statement (Concerning Pikachu and Bulbasaur.) when you seemed so adamant about how much you dislike Paul a few posts up. --Dual 02:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

["Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on--the Champion is waiting." ~ Karin of the Johto Shiten'no, Gold/Silver/Crystal Versions. Satoshi doesn't play the same game you do. He does as his heart tells him, he listens to his Pokémon, and he works with them, becoming the type of trainer they admire. He doesn't force them to evolve because he cares about their feelings in the matter. But he doesn't just abandon his lower-staged Pokémon or leave them to live peacefully at Orchid-Hakase's corral because he believes in their abilities, and knows that with enough effort and determination, even a Pikachu or a Fushigidane or a Zenigame can overcome their stronger counterparts or more. Pikachu was even strong enough to beat Regice, because Satoshi believed and trained and strategized. Personally, I train parties with favourites, and try to arrange them to become combat worthy, instead of just choosing party combinations to form various teams that have strategies that they are built upon. I build from the ground-up, using what I want, and so does Satoshi. I'm not saying it's the best way, and I certainly have a lot of trouble in the competitive scene and the In-game equivalents (Trainer Towers, the Battle Frontier and the Battle Zone), but at least it doesn't devolve simply into a game of crunching numbers and picking out the right natures and items and abilities. Oh - and since there's apparently no level cap in the anime, Satoshi can keep training his Pokémon to become stronger if he's having a hard time, instead of it becoming a standardized Lv.100 battling environment like in the games. Just my 10cents. ~Kumori Satosuke 17:46, 22 October, 2007 (EST)

I just think that Pikachu would have evolved by now. Ash's Pikachu was weak at first but Ash trained it up to the stage where it is now. Why does his stupid Pikachu not want to evolve? What is the matter with it? Is it worried that it won't look as cute as a Raichu? Honestly! But I do understand that a Pokémon that is weak can easily become the strongest in the world. It depends on the trainer's ability and personality. It also depends on the trust of the Pokémon towards the trainer. But you can't say that strenth has nothing to do with it. I like lots of Pokémon that aren't top notch: Dratini, Eevee, Squirtle, Zigzagoon, ect. Just about every Pokémon was weak at some point.Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 04:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It just doesn't want to, same with Bulbasaur. TTEchidna 05:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but when was Ash's Pikachu EVER weak? In the very first episode, it generates a thunderbolt big enough to take out an entire flock of Spearow. In the second episode, it manages to pretty much trash an entire Pokemon Center all on it's own. --Dual 02:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh...BUT WHY?Samrulz123File:Ani151MS.gif 06:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Because it doesn't feel like it. >_> How is it that hard to understand? It's content being a Pikachu. That's all there is to it. --Dual 02:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ash is an idiot. That's true. A fact. I'm kinda like Ash too. My Pikachu has been with me for years and I didn't hatch eggs until I got a desirable nature (fortunately, I got one that deducted and added nothing) or characteristic. I also think of myself as an idiot, per se...User:Optimus35/sig 08:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused too. But then again, I keep my Pikachu a Pikachu also...I wonder why though...Maybe it's because of the Light Ball...Not to mention the fact that levelling Shelgon's irritaing and also ridiculously slow...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} 09:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I use a Pikachu sometimes, and I actually prefer it to Raichu. =]→ User: Thomas1652

Pikachu's much cuter too...and at last, Jodi's a Salamence (personal favorite, just don't tell anyone) User:Optimus35/sig 06:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Prof. Oak

How the heck can Prof. Oak be Ash's father? that would mean that Ash is Gary's Uncle, and the whole canon would be ruined, I think the most likely candidate would probably be Silver...buuut thats just me! ...uhh...File:Ani491MS.gifKPF 04:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

People only think that because Professor Oak is close to Ash's mother. If he was Ash's father, then why doesn't Ash call him "dad"? Why would they keep something like that from him? And I don't believe in that "forbidden love" crap for a second. Personally I think Professor Oak should be removed as possible father. It's just a stupid fan theory created by ElderShippers. It's most likely not true. And even if there is a romantic thing between Oak and Delia, that doesn't mean that he's Ash's father. Giovanni and Silver are more realistic choices. Though truley, I believe Silver is his father. I mean the guy reacted to Ash's name when Ritchie spoke of him and he has a lot of things in common with Ash. --☆ケンジガール 04:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

agreed! yeeaah!! -File:Ani491MS.gifKPF

Silver is the only character there is any evidence for but Giovanni and Professor Oak have enough of a focus whenever the subject comes up to warrant a mention here. Though, personally, I'd say Professor Oak is more a realistic possibility than Giovanni. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 00:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If it was Prof Oak, I'd have thought they'd have mentioned it by now. Cassius335 00:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The identity of Ash's father is unimportant enough to have remained on the drawing board for at least six years now so that applies to any character.

What is important in canon is that Ash sees Professor Oak as the closest thing to a father, as is shown in the Mismagius episode. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 01:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Snover

Could you see Ash capturing a Snover? I can for some reason

~Dean

I can a little bit --File:Spr 3e 115.gifTheryguy512File:Spr 3e 202.gifFile:Spr 3e 327.gif 11:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Only if the writers have cooked up a plan to get rid of Turtwig. He never keeps two of the same starter type in his party unless the writers plan on or already know something's going to happen to one of them (such as Bulbasaur needing to peacekeep at Oak's after sharing the spotlight with Chikorita/Bayleef), and since Snover is Grass/Ice, that would require Ash to get rid of Turtwig, a Grass-type, sometime along the road.

Odds are you'll find a Vegas sportsbook with pretty good odds of Ash getting rid of Turtwig, especially since one turned out to be Paul's starter and Ash ended up with his Chimchar. Don't go betting on the Aipom/Buizel trade, however, since you'll get a horrible payout...--Shiningpikablu252 11:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Snover would be a bad idea, as it dies horribly against Fire. As for Turtwing, it IS a starter. Maybe it just won't become Torterra. If Ash has to get rid of someone, I say Staravia, though probably not until after it runs out of Gym's to be super effective against.

I tink James will be the one who gets a Snover. File:Ani491MS.gifKPFFile:Ani123MS.gif 17:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think James will get a Snover, but I think Ash would to capture a Snover. Because he had previous ice pokemon like Lapras and Glalie. Could he be capturing a Snover? Joannes

white space?

What's with all the extra white space? It makes the article look daft because large chunks of the page aren't being used. Cassius335 22:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

What white spaces? :S Tina^☆♥♫ 22:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it was your comment about the break that made me take a look at the page and realise that there is a LOT of unused space pretty much all over. Never really clicked before then. You're right, by the way... it DOES look better without the break. Cassius335 00:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Befriended Lucario

Since we add that Ash befriended Haunter, couldn't we also say that he befriended Lucario as well? I mean we have to list every single Pokémon Max befriened so why not Ash? --☆ケンジガール 22:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

On another note, we might as well as Latias too. So what do you think? --☆ケンジガール 22:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. We should add Lucario and Latias.. Tina^☆♥♫ 22:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That has the potential to get way out of hand. We list the Pokémon Max befriended because specific focus was given to them since Max doesn't own any Pokémon. Haunter is there because it belonged to Ash in a fashion for a short time. Lucario and Latias were just friends who happened to belong to Aaron and Bianca, respectively, if anyone. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 16:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Latias didn't "belong" to Bianca. She just protected her. There's no evidence of a capture. The same thing with Lucario and Aaron. And since you say that we shouldn't put down Pokémon owned by other people for befriended Pokémon, then why does that Shuppet count for Max when it was already befriended by Emily? I don't see how this could get "out of hand". I'm only talking about adding two Pokémon. --☆ケンジガール 22:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It could get out of hand because it would mean that we would have to pretty much include every single wild Pokemon that Ash has ever made contact with. As it stands now, both Haunter and Larvitar showed up in multiple episodes. However, Lucario and Latias where pretty much just glorified Pokemon of the Day. --Dual 02:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

About the temporary section... (mostly his Larvitar)

Shouldn't Larvitar technically be under released pokemon as well? I mean, really, Ash's larvitar is just as much his pokemon as pikachu is. I mean, If you guys were willing to count Misty's Togepi as her pokemon despite her not keeping it in a pokeball (in fact, I'm not even sure if it even HAS a pokeball), I think it should be fair enough for Larvitar to be counted as his pokemon as well. ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Unlike Togepi, Larvitar was never officially considered to belong to Ash - especially has he already had six Pokémon at that time - and he was simply delivering it to Mt. Silver. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 16:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Umm... Didn't Ash have his pokemon roster limit upgraded to 7 in AG? and I still don't see how it Isn't officialy ash's pokemon. Vulpix wasn't exactly officialy Brock's pokemon either (Brock even stated it wasn't really his), and it is still listed under Brock's released status despite that mere fact. By your logic then Brock's Vulpix should be listed under the temporary status. besides, people also claim that in order for it to be Ash's pokemon, it must have been caught/placed inside a Pokeball. But, heres the catch, Misty's Togepi was never caught (or even just placed, for that matter) in a Pokeball, and yet it was still counted as Misty's Pokemon.

That's because Vulpix belonged to a CoTD. Besides, Brock had Vulpix for like... what, a lot more episodes than Larvitar. Larvitar (At least I don't think so..) wasn't officially CAPTURED either. Vulpix (I believeth) had a Poké Ball. Etc, etc, reasons, reasons. Tina^☆♥♫ 17:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

No, Ash's maximum was still six in AG. (Pikachu, Grovyle, Swellow, Corphish, Torkoal and Glalie with the last two replaced by Donphan and Aipom in BF.) Besides, Larvitar left before AG so that still wouldn't affect anything.

We went over who owns Vulpix in the recent headache-enducing species article name debates and it was concluded as Brock for the reasons on Vulpix's talk page. Larvitar is among the group considered on a case-by-case basis but it goes under temporary here because it wasn't a member of Ash's rosta - he was just delivering it its mother. On the other hand, Togepi was agreed to belong to Misty in the episode it hatched and Vulpix was definately under Brock's command for its entire time on the show. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Buizel/Aipom

The edit war has already begun, I see. Would it be worth putting all four pages (Ash Ketchum, Ash's Aipom, Dawn, Dawn's Buizel) in protect mode? Otherwise I bet they're going to get edited back and forth quite a few times over the week - Cassius335 12:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't call TWO reverts an edit war...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent #448 ^{☆ | ♥}File:Ani282MS.gif 12:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC) (Ryguy did the first one!)

Yet. Cassius335 00:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oddish

Don't we need an article on Ash's Oddish? We've got all the others, including Fearow. I can't do it because I can't do Japanese characters. --User:Groudon465/Sig 17:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I guess no. ( Ash's Oddish? This is new to me! O_O) -File:Ani038MS.gifうずまき ハルカ 22:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean we've go all the other's???? we only have Ash's Fearow!!!! --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 22:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

There are only two Manga Pokemon listed, Ash's Fearow and Ash's Oddish. Fearow has his own page, Oddish does not. - Cassius335 00:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I mean every Pokémon in the template. --User:Groudon465/Sig 23:43, 13 Deccember 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly. I created pages for his Arbok, Weezing, and Meowth, but they got deleted. Missingno. Master 21:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Now, me personally, I think that a main character's Pokémon deserves its own article if the main character in question did any of the following with it:

• Captured it in a Poké Ball
• Used it in battle (Or at least tried to)

Missingno. Master 05:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

With Proffessor Oak

Sorry about messing with the sprite order, but I figured an even number of 'sprites per row' would look better. Cassius335 20:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

"Starting with the Advanced Generation story arc and onward, the trend of Ash having all three starter Pokémon has been reduced to him only having one, while his other companions have the other Pokémon. This trend has since been broken with the capture of Chimchar in the Sinnoh saga."

I'm going to edit this so it reads a bit differently. Considering that it only actually happened in Advanced Generation, and that there is still a chance (KEYWORD: Chance. I doubt it will actually happen.) that Ash will capture his own Piplup before D/P is over, it seems a bit off to leave it.--Dual 02:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's what I edited it to: "In both the Kanto and Johto story arcs, Ash managed to capture all three of the starter Pokemon for both reggions. This trend was broken in the Advanced Generation story arc, where he only captured Treecko, while the other two were obtained by May and Brock. However, it is possible that the trend will be reestablished in the Diamond & Pearl story arc, as Ash has already managed to capture both a Turtwig and Chimchar, two of the Sinnoh region's Starter Pokemon."--Dual 03:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The chance of him getting a Piplup is too small to be stated as a possibility. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 00:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Because (Sorry, you can't start a sentence with 'because' because 'because' is a conjunction) Ash already has a Template:Type2, and Dawn has Piplup. I'd doubt she'll abandon Piplup. User:Optimus35/sig 08:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

You do have a point in regards to Buizel, so I'll give you points there. As for Piplup... Well, That may be true, but then again, Ash ALSO already had a Bulbasaur AND a Squirtle, and that never really stopped May from acquiring both Pokémon. so just because one of the main cast members already has a pokémon doesn't necessarily mean that another character can't have another pokémon of the same species. But, since Ash already has Buizel (and not to mention that the writers implied that the trade was permanent due to Ash telling Aipom to have Dawn win the Grand Festival), I think that Piplup may be a lost cause.

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

Trust me, Ash has a better chance of getting rid of Turtwig than he does of getting a Piplup. Before the events of DP052, everyone believed Brock would be the one in the group that would have a Chimchar, be it Paul's or a wild one.

The reason odds point to Turtwig possibly not being kept and not Chimchar is again Paul. Before the events of DP040, it was believed Chimchar was Paul's starter while Paul's starter was actually Turtwig. Since Ash is no longer getting all of a country's starters as was the case in Kanto (he might not have even gotten Squirtle if he only went the one starter route from the beginning since Gary's starter was Squirtle), the odds of Ash's first Sinnoh release (as in an actual release, not a trade) being Turtwig is the most likely. (As far as I'm concerned, Ash's preferential treatment for Grass-type starters is over and done with until at least Generation VI.) It could possibly create a pattern of fully-evolved starters from three straight generations--Sceptile from Generation III, Infernape from Generation IV, and the fully-evolved Water-type starter from Generation V. --Shiningpikablu252 16:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd think that if anything, Ash would give Chimchar to Brock, continuing the trend from the Advanced generation. --M190049 20:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Continuing the trend? What trend?File:Ani386MS.gif^PokeFile:Ani386AMS.gif_maniacFile:Ani386DMS.gif¹⁰²File:Ani386SMS.gif 20:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well there may be a new trend starting like Ash caught 1 starter in Hoenn, now Ash has caught 2 starters in Sinnoh and maybe in the fifth gen Ash will catch all 3 again. File:Ani006MS.gif Pokemon Master File:Ani249MS.gif

Maturity

Hate that new pic. That was Season 1 for crying out loud. Cassius335 14:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

So? It was still Ash. That was his defining moment back then. Sure, he's changed since, but it's still hilarious. User:TTEchidna/sig 15:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

So next to a paragraph about how Ash has grown up and matured, you want a picture of Ash looking like the angry immature kid he left behind by... what, Johto Journeys? Cassius335 01:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It does look out of place when we've got the picture of AG Ash in that section anyway. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 13:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

With "Ash in original clothes" a short distance directly above it, too. Cassius335 17:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Sinnoh Safari Zone

Does anyone see an episode with Ash and friends in the Sinnoh Safari Zone, because I mean, Nintendo should get over the Legend of Dratini, plus Ash really needs to catch more Pokémon! I mean if they could let him get a Gible or Gabite that would be awesome and make him evolve into Garchomp, which would then probably make the Garchomp Ashs strongest Pokémon. And yeah I kinda do see Ash catching a Snover, but does anyone think that a main character might get a Skorupi, I think its pretty likely. -Big Johnno

It's not likely that they'll allow Ash to capture a Gabite - they wouldn't even let him keep Larvitar. Ash never really captures powerful Pokémon. If anything he'll probably end up with a Riolu but that seems unlikely. He has 5 Pokémon already so he'll probably have to wait until later on in the series anyway. --XXpx☆Woodland:M ☆XXpx 16:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Iron Island probably won't be until after Canaclave, so Riolu will definately have to wait. Cassius335 16:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The anime didn't visit the Hoenn Safari Zone. If it were to have, it would have taken place between AG085 and AG090, closer to AG090 since Hoenn's Safari Zone is nearer Lilycove as opposed to Fortree.

That said, I don't think a visit to the Sinnoh Safari Zone seems likely. If I were to place a bet, the episode skipped in Japan due to earthquakes getting an airing is more likely than Ash visiting Sinnoh's Safari Zone. --Shiningpikablu252 21:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

REALLY? I would place a bet on the opposing.File:Ani386MS.gifPokeFile:Ani386AMS.gifmaniacFile:Ani386DMS.gif102File:Ani386SMS.gif 21:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems like most of the Pokémon from the Safari Zone have been seen elsewhere already - Toxicroak, Carnivine, the 3rd/2nd/1st generation Pokémon there etc.. Then again namewise the Great Marsh isn't really like the other Safari Zones and it's more like the nature reserve in Kanto (remember the Kangaskhan kid). It's also quite a big part of Pastoria so it might have an appearence. I can't see Ash catching anything from there though. --XXpx☆Woodland:M ☆XXpx 01:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ash could actually catch a Gible because they still have to go back all the way to Canalave City so they probably could and I don't think Ash would get a Riolu. But still there are plenty of Pokémon in the Great Marsh that Ash hasn't seen yet, like Skourpi or he could catch a Pokémon thats already been seen before and just capture it since that sort of thing tends to happen in the anime. File:Ani006MS.gif Charizard Rules File:Ani249MS.gif.

Oh, he haven't reached there yet.I bet Dawn would have Stunky ,James would have Hippopotas and Ash would have 30 Rhyhorn.(It does not need to match with the games)-Billy4b2004 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

But I would like them to catch them in other places rather than in the Great Marsh and Ash would directly caught a Rhyperior instead of 30 Rhyhorn.-Billy4b2004 10:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Pokémon Picture

Why was the Spurt! picture with Ash and all his Pokémon up to the latest Japanese episode deleted? Put it back on!

Kenji-girl objected on Serebii's behalf. Cassius335 13:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That "All Pokemon" Pick is missing Lapris and Larvater. Cerberus

I think I can answer this one. Larvitar was just befriended get that through your head second Ash never said he would come back for it one day like he did, Butterfree and Pidgeot plus the page probably didn't have enough room, hey try making a picture with all of Gary Oak's Pokémon.

Can we get some more opinions here? Keep or drop that pic? After thought I'm switching sides and agreeing with Kenji-girl to drop it, but Big Jonno seems determined to keep it. Cassius335 11:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But still no Lapris. Cerberus

Ash Crossdressing Pic

Am I the only one who liked the first pic better? New one's kinda overwhelming the section. Cassius335 09:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Overwhelming? It doesn't even take up half the section. Besides it's cute. --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 07:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The pic covers a section of 13 items of random trivia - about 30 lines or so. Of these, the Ash crossdressing item is exactly two. So your pic is next to about 28 lines of Trivia (12 items) that have nothing to do with it.

Besides, what do we do when the "look, it's Ash in a dress!" novelty finally wears off? Cassius335 10:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. The old pic takes up about 14 lines (5 items). Cassius335 10:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Nobody's going to care about it. I mean cant you just size down the picture a little? --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 11:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, about Ash cross-dressing, I think it should be added that each time Ash has worn a dress, it was always forced upon him in some way. The first time was because of Team Rocket and they tricked him by saying this was the only way for him to get into the gym. Second time, Ash agreed to do a "favor" for May, not knowing what that favor would be. And finally, with the Cafe episode in D/P, apparently there were no outfits for guys to wear, so Ash had to wear the girl's maid outfit. Someone needs to mention this, maybe not all the details would be necessary though, just saying that "Ash has never willingly crossdressed before" or "It should be noted that all 3 times Ash has crossdressed, it was forced upon him". --PokemonTrainerLisa 08:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

???

Not like I don't believe it, but I just want to know where he got two Sooth Bells. KPF30px 30px 04:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

When he battled in the Hearthome Tag Battle Competition with Paul. There prize was Soothe Bells for each of them. Paul didn't want his so he gave/threw it to Ash. --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 05:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

Um, TTE? I realise admin's are infallible and reverting their edits is high treason, but why that last edit? It looks utterly pointless unless you've developed a sudden phobia of grey lines. - Cassius335 10:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense, to keep all of the Anime information about Ash together and not separated with those lines. So if you look before and after, you can see why he did it. User:Tesh/Signature 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. The information was all together anyway. The grey lines simply marked where, for example, "History" stopped and "Pokemon" began. 10:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how else to explain it other than the page was separated into too many sections. Well, he is an Admin so he has his reasons. XD User:Tesh/Signature 15:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Um... The page is STILL split into the same sections (hence those little 'edit' boxes). It's just lost the grey lines. Eh, maybe it's just me, but IMO it was kinda fine the way it was. - Cassius335 18:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I prefer it, but meh, afterall he has the supreme command powers of the Admins XD. User:Tesh/Signature 20:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm reducing the header sizes. Single headers make it the same size as the page's title, while the double headers are standard on wikis. User:TTEchidna/sig 06:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Standard =/= good looking. Is there at least some way to underline the sub-headings? - Cassius335 14:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's better looking now. Before it was "HEY HUGE HEADERS!" We don't need to superseparate the anime section with crossbars. It's all Ash in the anime.

Anyway, there's a way you could add underbars with four dashes in a row: ----

See?

---

Like that. However, it looks bad. User:TTEchidna/sig 01:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you hate the crossbars. Is there anyway to underline just the words of a triple header? Would that work better? - Cassius335 09:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The words

The words? Put <u> on one side and </u> on the other! But again, that looks ugly. User:TTEchidna/sig 06:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

ash sinnoh champ

do you reckon ash will ever defeat cynthia or whoever and become sinnoh champ?