Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 1

Um, TTEchidna, you put down that Arseus can become an ???-type Pokémon by holding a ??? Plate. Where'd you get that from?--Pokencyclopedia 21:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Man u have got to be kidding me Arceus catch rate should not be 3. I used my Action replay to get the item 4 arceus then i went and caought it on my 5th dusk ball. My friend caought it on him 1st ultra ball. Another friend i gave the item 2 caught it on his 2nd qiuck ball.

Man, you have to be kidding me, you can't even spell the word "you" right. Arceus's catch rate is 3. If you'll notice, those balls multiply the catch rate formula by quite a bit, which greatly increases the chance to be caught. Plus, it's all on luck, I've had Magikarp break out of balls before. --TTEchidna 22:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added an alternative origin to Arceus's name that I found on: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=286767.Draconium 23:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there a point...

Is there a point of having a table for each of the plates when it is attached to Arceus? We could just have Arceus without a plate, and then have each title with an image and a sentence saying what type Arceus changes to. For Example:

Type effectiveness

File:493Arseus.png

Sprite for Template:Type2 Arceus

No plate equipped

Sprite for Template:Type2 Arceus

With Flame Plate

When the Flame Plate is attached to Arceus, it becomes a Fire type.

etc... Tesh 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I have this picture:

I did not draw it. I want to use it on the page. It is much better than trying to stare at a tiny sprite. --Stinkoman 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Better than a sprite for sure, but it'd be nice if we could find one without such bad compression artifacts. Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur 22:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should really be using an unofficial image for the page. What would be nice is if somebody could get a nice, high-quality (as in NOT a photo of the monitor) screenshot of ARceus from PBR.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean hack an Arceus and copy it into PBR?

File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{Talk | DP} 11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sprites?

Should we include separate sprite templates for all of the forms, or just do it for one? I know that Unown and Castform, among others, would serve the same problem. TTEchidna 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Art?!

I'd like to know the source of Arceus' picture. Mainly because it hasn't been revealed yet. TinaTheKirlia 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a piece of fanart. --DarkfireTaimatsu 02:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought, although there was an edit that said "Official Art" or something and it was rather confusing. TinaTheKirlia 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we should replace that art with a sprite. It seems inaccurate... Mariocaper 19:19, 20 September 2007

Yeah, and we could enlarge the size of the sprite so it won't be that tiny anymore, right? Optimus35^{Talk | DP} 06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Enlarged sprites look terrible. --DarkfireTaimatsu 06:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't we get a PBR screenshot? And I mean a screenshot, not someone pointing their camera at a television? (We need that for Rosy and Sashay, too...)--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't, my FRAPS only works on full screen games like Maple Story...I think we could take the Arceus photo, enlarge it and sharpen it a little, then put it back on bulba. The only problem with this is that the sprite would be oversize...

I hope that you have permission to use that piece of fan art. --☆ケンジガール 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I've got five PBR shots. They're all in my sandbox. Click on the links under 'Arceus'. Tell me which one looks best on my talk page and I'll upload it onto Bulbagarden Archives...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆File:Ani282MS.gif 09:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Change the pic! Crystallucario 14:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason why we're not changing it is because it's nicely done fanart, and it's more easier to look at this instead of a sprite.

Otherwise it'd be absolute hell for me to draw Arceus. Still is, but certainly more easier than looking at a sprite. :p Tina ^δ♫ 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

hmmm maybe ok whatever... [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

...except, do we have permission to use the image? The image page doesn't seem to claim it at all, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that we're doing something illegal or at least unethical here. Seriously, why can't we just use a PBR shot?KrytenKoro 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Since when was pokemon ever ethical? Think about it, the aim of the game is to run away from home at 10 years old (good parenting skills mom) and after having abuse a poor little starly to the brink of death by slashing it over and over again with false swipe you throw something at it, only adding to the poor creature's pain and torture only to trap it inside a small, cramped chamber for the rest of its unnatural life whilst using it to abuse other pokemon. But anyways I digress, the point is the piece of fanart looks nice, is accurate and fits in perfectly with all the official pokemon artwork. Hell when I first visited the page I thought it WAS a piece of official artwork. A PBR snapshot would not be at all as effective as the fanart. So no, we ain't havin a PBR shot. Wikid 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No one is questioning the ethics of the series, just in using someone else's work without their consent. Besides, the face is drawn wrong. There should be more lines running across it. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Metronome

My Mew used Judgement through Metronome. Should I include something like this under "Trivia":

Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.

--Shiny Noctowl^{Talk | Contribs}File:Ani480MS.gif 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i could draw arceus if that would help. i like drawing pokémon. talonclawz new comer!!!!!!!!!! File:Ani444MS.gif

Shishigami?

Should any mention of the Forest Spirit Shishigami from Miyazaki Hayao's Mononoke-Hime be mentioned in the article? Arceus seems to have a resemblance to Shishigami. In addition, on the illegal hacked Pokémon Diamond (Telefang Power), Shishigami appears on the front, despite not having anything to do with the game (that's the way those criminals work), and then in the real Pokémon Diamond, Arceus was added. Does anyone else think that some trivia should be added about this? ~Kumori Satosuke

Outside of the whole quadrupedal thing, I don't think there's anything else that's official to suggest a connection. For example, Arceus seems to be nothing outside of a creator, while shishigami is given dominion over life and death.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. There really isn't anything linking the two other than a vague (And I do mean VAGUE.) resemblance. --Dual 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

??? type sprite may prevent crash

Just a theory, but the programmers at Game Freak may have drawn and programmmed a ??? type Arceus to prevent game crashes. Anyone with a code patcher can figure out how to change a Pokémon's type. They might have figured that someone would tamper with Arceus's type, and if they changed it to a ??? type, and there was no sprite for it, the game would crash because it would try loading data that does not exist. That's my theory anyway. Fsilone 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

That's really logical. figure that by yourself? But I still don't know if we should put that in the article.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

im a little iffy on the grammer, but other than that i think its a fantastic theory and should be in the trivia section. excellent. now all i need to do is figure out how to do it myself in my game with the Action Replay... File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTALKFile:Ani462MS.gif 02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You can't - you need to edit the rom data - action replay only edits temporary and save data. Think so anyway. 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I don't see anything grammatically wrong. I copied the words above and reworded it into sentences.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 02:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

yea, im probibly wrong, im not joking when i say i failed english class......twice...with a 54..... File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTALKFile:Ani462MS.gif 03:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

what the heck is shishigami? is it a pokémon?(someone out there?) -talonclawz new comer!!!!! File:212MS.gif 1:06, 5 April 2008

No. Wait a minute if you don't know that Errr...how new are you to Pokémon?Crystal Lucario 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A shishigami is a Japanese god of death. LordKaien 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Type2 Sprite

File:Question-Type Arceus Before.jpg

Before

File:Question-Type Arceus After.jpg

After

How long has the sprite of ???-type Arceus been pulling that vanishing act? Basically, the only time you can see the sprite is when the white background on PNG-format images is still visible, as seen in the Before shot. Once the white backgrounds vanish, the rest of the sprite should still be there. However, on ???-type Arceus, the sprite vanishes along with the background, as seen in the After shot. Is there a way to fix this?

(The shots in question come from an area of my own user page, specifically a favorite move tag programmed for a ???-type move and Curse with the Arceus sprite in question for a laugh. The 2000-edits in a month tag above it is also shown for comparison.) --Shiningpikablu252 05:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That's weird that it just disappears! --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 11:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think I figured out the vanishing act. It's due to the filename. Many operating systems don't allow question marks in filenames, and it's probably due to those that caused the image to vanish. I went and uploaded an image to Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png on the archives, and that image works as it should! Every instance of the vanishing image has been changed to the one that doesn't vanish, so you won't be seeing vanishing ???-type Arceus again anytime soon. --Shiningpikablu252 16:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Pic

Okay, I remember Urutapu saying something about a screenshot of Arceus from PBR. Well, I got a Wii and PBR for Christmas. And I have *cough*cheated*cough* four Arceuses. All I need now is a good-quality emulator that can screenshot my Wii with. Any suggestions? --Stinkoman

Somehow theres a way of putting a SCART socket into your PC and running it through that. My mate's computer can do that but i think it had the socket when he bought it. File:Ani258MS.gifOrigamiGuy Lieks MudkipzFile:Ani258MS.gif

Officially been revealed

Until this Pokemon has been officially revealed (by Nintendo or Coro Coro magazine) this page should be removed, because the only reason why there is proof of its existence is through a hacking or cheating device.

WHAT! This page should be included on here. If it is in the Game, weather or not if it has been reaveled, it IS STILL IN THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE MADEC Isfor Cookie

Yea, this page is about a Pokémon. In case you don't know (hopefully you do), this is a Pokémon encyclopedia. This page is like mandatory. --Theryguy512 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. We have pages for all Pokémon officially programmed into the games. Would you come here before Deoxys was revealed and say "NUH UH THERE'S ONLY 201 IN HOENN DEOXYS IS A HAKKER ONLY POKEMAN." Arceus is official, they're just holding off on the official revelation. Besides... plenty of Pokémon from each generation were never revealed through CoroCoro or by Nintendo individually. TTEchidnaFire echy 07:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I may only be 10, but take it from me. Arceus is real. It is on pokemon.com's pokedex.DaPikanator56 18:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Well, actually, it's not on the PokéDex on Pokemon.com, but yes, it is real. --Theryguy512 13:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

An example of what TTE said would be the Porygons. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊02:32 30 Mar 2008

Oh yeah! It and ummm... Shaymin I think aren't Theryguy.DaPikanator56 18:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Shaymin has been acknowledged by official Japanese sources. And to address the original point, we are not Wikipedia. Everyone knows that Arceus is real, so this page is a necessity. Hell, we have articles for a lot of glitch Pokémon so a real one definately passes. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

True...Oh, and by the way, in the summer I will shorten my visits here, but this place rules! It ain't demented like Chuckie Cheese's.

) ^-^DaPikanator56 22:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Picture

I found this picture interesting, but low quality. its on www.pokebeach.com --Britannia's Blade 21:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Good find, but it's already linked from the article right here. --Johans 23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I also just found this one **** Fan art of course but very serious looking, Lots more like it here what do you think? --Britannia's Blade 18:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how fanart is very notable to put up here.. >_> Tina ^δ♫ 19:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The one we have right now will do us until Arcy is revealed next year. TTEchidna 20:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What about this one? - (1) 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

-Gasp- Why not that one! Ooo, take it! TAKE IT!!! Optimatum^Talk|Links13:53 2 May 2008

TTE, Arceus isn't going 2 be revealed 4 two years yet. LordKaien 14:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Arceus and Giratina

Aren't Arceus and Giratina sort of opposites of each other because Arceus is God and Giratina is the devil sort of, I mean Arceus didn't create Giratina so that means they were the two entities before time started. Pokémon Master 17:46 15 May 2008

Maybe you're right, but i think that Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. Arceausams 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Giratina is the BOSS! It saved the two other Pokamon! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links01:04 17 May 2008

Hold on, there's no reason to get angry. Why can't we just WAIT until Arceus is officially revealed? Isn't that BETTER than argueing? Arceausams 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes it would be

Dialga + Palkia = Rivals (Time VS Space)

Giratina + Arceus = Rivals (God VS Darkness?)

So yeah, regardless of the fact Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. (Thinking about it, those four are exactly the same as my characters |: Lily = Controls Time. Darkness = Controls Space. Akito = Controls Death. Rose = Controls Life/Is a sort-of God. But anyway, my characters are irrelevant too this xD) Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

So, Arceus is God/JesusHoly Spirit, and Giratina is Satan? O.O It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links06:03 26 May 2008

Arceus is Arceus. Giratina is Giratina. TTEchidna 07:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Meh, that's the Atheist way of seeing it. Hey, wait, am I about to be stone for being anti-atheist? Damn. It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:13 26 May 2008

I didn't say Giratina was Satan, i simply said he was...darkness. Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

My question is, how do you KNOW Giratina is bad, or if Arceus is even good? How do you KNOW Giratina wasn't created by Arceus? You don't. Besides, Neither ot them are from Christianity, and U know what? I'm a devout Christian and I don't care if Arceus wasn't based off of my God. LordKaien 14:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody want to see it this way, "WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT"? Arceausams 22:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Giratina is evil. You don't have too be evil/whatever to control darkness/whatever Giratina controls. I do not think Giratina is evil! Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this text INVISIBLE? WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT! Arceausams 00:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

More sprites

Ok, so we have all the type sprites for Arceus and it's shiny sprite, but we don't have shiny forms for Arceus' other types. Could someone please tell me if it's possible to get those sprites and if so get them for us? Arceausams 12:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If i could, i would, but i can't, so i can't help you. I'm not even 100% sure Arceus's other-type sprites HAVE shiny versions of them :| Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

They do. And a simple method is to color the sprites the right color. The white portion of the body is the only part which remains constant throughout the non-shiny forms. and when it becomes shiny, the rings are the same color as those of the non-shiny ones. The only thing that differs between non-shiny and shiny is the white portion, which turns yellow. It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links06:01 26 May 2008

So... could you do that for us as a favor? Arceausams 22:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I might have those sprites on my computer somewhere. Want me to upload them? YinYang 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why not other than you apperently not knowing where they are. And someone PLEASE get rid of that fan artwork, it's unofficial up here! Arceausams 22:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Helloooooooooooooooo, its been 2 weeks. Are you going to respond? Arceausams 19:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

HURRY UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Arceausams 15:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

When?

How long before he's in a movie? Does anyone know?LordKaien 14:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Following the pattern, Arceus will be in next year's movie. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

or it'll be a lake trio, or cresselia movie. They did tha with Jirachi.LordKaien 15:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget we've sill got Heatran and Raikou to go yet, along with regigigas, so I'd say we've got quite a while.Wikid 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Regigigas is in the Giratina and Shaymin movie. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I really hope next years is about ether Arceus or Cresselia Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 16:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Metronome and Judgement

If a player knows nothing about Arceus, how would they know that Judgement is its signature attack? Even if it is used by a Pokémon using Metronome. So could Metronome really spoil the surprise? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really. ^^; Metronome can do ANYTHING. Even Explosion so...It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:54 4 Jun 2008

Well, if they were like "Ooh, what learns that?!" and can't find anyone, they'll suspect it to be some crazy legendary not yet shown. And have lived under a rock since EVERYONE KNOWS OF ARCEUS. TTEchidna 03:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, then Singapore must be under a rock. Only two people I know know what's Arceus, that includes me. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links03:12 4 Jun 2008

Or this is nintendo's way of teasing us. kinda like,

Player:"What pokémon learns this?" Nintendo:"Wait and see" Player:"You suck."LordKaien 12:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I only ask because of this quote in the trivia:

"Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans."

Plus, Nintendo has to know that the majority of their fanbase uses the internet. Every Pokémon website except the "official" ones have info on Arceus. A lot of them even before the games were released globally. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The majority of the fanbase are kids who don't necessarily visit fansites. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No (MathijsP 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

Yes. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 16:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No (MathijsP 16:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

I would have to disagree with that statement. I believe that most fans may have been kids at the beginning when Pokémon first came out, but now have grown as the series has. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

A similar thing happened to me when I was playing PBR. I ordered my Togepi to use Metronome and out came Judgment. I wondered what Pokémon used this move until I checked this site and I found Arceus. I didn't even know about its existence AT ALL when Metronome was used that one year ago... BlueJirachi 18:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Arceus's pattern in the anime?

I didn't get a second look (mainly because I deleted the episode from my DVR), but I heard in the episode "Journey to the Unknown!" that Saturn was holding a cube with Arceus's pattern on it... ShinyRayquaza 19:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Arceus + Sky Plate?

If you attach a Sky Plate to Arceus, wouldn't that make it become the first pure Flying-type Pokémon? Wynautluvr 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It is the first "permanent" pure Flying-type. The Porygon line can become Flying-types with their Conversion moves, and Kecleon can with its Color Change Ability. These Pokémon, however, revert back to Normal when the battle is over. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not permanent, in that you can change the plate and it loses the pure-flying status... Lord of Origami 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's permanent in that it doesn't go away just because the battle ends. TTEchidna 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

No its not. Its only a permanent flying type if its natural type (i.e. no plate) is flying. You might as well say its also the first permamnent ??? type since it can become that (potentially) too.Wikid 16:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

If you never remove the plate, then it's permanent. Plus, you can't obtain a ???-type Arceus in-game in any normal fashion. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Says you. firstly, the word permanent implies that the typing can never be changed. If you unequip the plate Arceus goes back to normal therefore it's not permanent. At best I would say its semi-permament. Secondly, there might a ??? plate given out at an event or found somewhere in platinum like Glacidia's flower. ??? forme arceus might be the result when you enter the torn world with arceus. It might even be what Arceus looks like when it is a shadow pokemon as there might be a new game coming out to do with shadow pokemon and DPP might be the first generation where you can trade shadow pokemon over. Therefore if you can trade it as shadow poke between DP and platinum then there is a way to get an ??? forme Arceus in a normal fashion.Wikid 17:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine. "Semi-permanent". ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The plates

The plates mite actually be man-made since there is understandable writing on them that the player can read in the games. The ???-type mite not hve a plate but a location to activate that effect or a differently designed plate most probably.--Nobody777 13:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• One word: Unown. MathijsP 13:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

in the games , the plates r described to have fell from the sky for an unknown reason , most probably fell from Hall of Origin but how,who ,what, why and when?--Nobody777 13:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Unknown, maybe we'll see in platinum or movie 12. MathijsP 15:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

there is something fishy about arceus's shiny form . if that shiny situation also goes with arceus that means that there is more than one .--Nobody777 07:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

This is just speculation, there is no prove. MathijsP 07:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

There are 36 Arceus. Each of them are different from the others. 18 are regular, 18 wear jewelry to make them look shiny. END.It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links10:10 22 Jun 2008

what jewelery to make them shiny?--Nobody777 11:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Forget it. I requet removal of this section and the two sections that follow it. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links13:38 28 Jun 2008

I support the idea that they fell from the Hall of origin. Like loose roof tiles lol Wikid 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

the hall of origin had loose roof tiles i like that idea that should be in the hall of origin article *joke* but still cool Wikid

The ??? Plate

The ??? Plate exists, It is named mysterious plate by CodeJunkies, It may also be encountered in the underground as a Malfunction, people got this (like my brother) and attached it to ARCEUS, making the ??? type, no weaknesses are found on this type--M.vit 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, people code-spelunk like there's no tomorrow...there isn't such thing.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

can M.vit at least tell how did his brother encounter such a plate, and how does it function with other Pokémon?and what happens to a Pokémon who knows the move curse

can somebody edit this article . It says that Arceus creted the Pokémon Universe,Dragon trio and lake trio. Till now the dragon trio isn't officially confirmed. so whether I or somebody else should change the Dragon trio to the time-space duo: Dialga and Palkia.--Nobody777 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

well, seems that nobody is out of topic, BTW, i have seem to find this code in Code Junkies here it is Mysterious Plate x999 94000130 fcff0000 b21c4d28 00000000 b0000004 00000000 00000890 03e70133 d2000000 00000000--M.vit 16:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The plates all have different names on CodeJunkies which are the translated Japenese names. I believe the Mysterious Plate is actually the Mind Plate. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Your right, it is the mind plate. Lord of Origami 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

My Theory

I believe that the ??? mark plate will exsist tin the anime because I can almost 100% sure that there will be a movie on Arceus, I then think they will give away an Arceus that has the ??? Plate or It will be avaliable in Platnuim. I do not think that it is just so hackers can make the plate. - PokePal

They'll give away Arceus in Japan next year, yes. But the presence of an item with it that is not programmed into DP is very, very unlikely. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought the ??? plate was programmed in DP! Look here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Unknown_type

No plate exists. Hackers can manipulate Arceus to make it the ???-type, but I'm not sure how that would affect the game or the move Judgment. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Could it soon exist? Where is the proof that it doesnt also? I found this about it http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/arceus.shtml They don't know if it does-PokePal

The sprite and coloration exists. But no plate is associated with it. It is unlikely that an item will be created because that would prevent Arceus from being traded to Diamond or Pearl as no item exists in those games' coding. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Sheesh thanxs for ruining my life and theory lol Thanx maybe it will just be in the anime!PokePal

There is still a possibility that ???-type Arceus will exist, there just won't be a plate or any other type of held item that will change Arceus to that type. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait it is a real Item, that is only for hackers? PokePal

I have realized that Arceus doesn't need the ???-Plate to become ???-type. If anybody wants to know how,this is how: it might change type according to locatiion not ot item held just like Burmey and Wormadam that location is most probably the Torn World.--Nobody777 09:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

anybody wants to debate about my theory or at least comment with a lively one?--Nobody777 11:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It is a possibility, but why would the ???-type Arceus be available in D/P but not the alternate formes of Giratina and Shaymin? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 13:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Because Sky Forme and Origin Forme aren't in D/P's programming.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that, what I'm getting to is if ???-Arceus could only be obtained during Platinum, then why would its coding be in D/P and not the formes of the other two Pokémon? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 20:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that this would make sense: On the ???-type's page, it notes that offensive moves of the ???-type have been hacked in, and do almost no damage even with a power of 255. That would mean that, if Arceus were made a ???-type while in the Torn World, his signature attack, Judgment, would be rendered completely useless. SixthFlyingMan 05:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The move Judjement shifts type according to the plate held, effectiveness and effcts are also shifted, so Judjements effects are also changed when ???-type plate is held, if existent.--Nobody777 13:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

type change

Keckleons ability color change changes its type according to the move done by the opponent so if ???-type arceus used judjement, will it change its type? can anyone experiment?--Nobody777 13:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The fact that you can't get a ??? plate makes it difficult to say. I have no idea what would happen...♪♪Shiny Pachirisu :) ♪♪ 13:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

???-type moves have been hacked and have no effect. So Kecleon would probably be unaffected. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 13:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, they do have an effect... they just deal minimal damage. Lemme see what it does in Gen III later on... TTEchidna 23:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Pal Park

Will it really freeze the game when you put Arceus infront of the party and bla bla bla to the Pal Park? Palkia38 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Now...

Isn't what I did so freaking cool? I mean, look at it. And the best thing is that it is totally dependent on the exact second that you save/access the page. TTEchidna 07:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

A fine template, indeed. Would it be useful to use something like this to generate random examples in paragraphs?

P.S.: What you did (a calculation based on a clock) is even a good idea for a new ability or move in the game that picks a random type. --Johans 07:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Now if we only had the backsprites for the various forms...--Shiningpikablu252 22:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Two clock-based calculations would make it even more random. Watch this. 2360

As for random examples... hmm... Well, what are you thinking?

And I wish for the backsprites, too... And the minisprite, does it change with Arceus? TTEchidna 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Arceus in My Pokémon Ranch

For a fact,someone in the German forum BisaBoard got Arceus as one of the daily Pokémon!This person was -like me- totally dumbfounded and opened that thread to know more about this phenomena. I've asked some expert in the same message board if this would be really possible.To my surprise,he said that he checked the programme code and Arceus is really included!I think this MUST be put into the Trivia section.Uxie legend

How does one check the program code of a Wii Ware title? And of course Arceus would be there, it can be deposited just like any other Pokémon. Plus, I doubt that Hayley will trade you an Arceus... ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm....

Should we add that Arceus is the most hacked Pokemon? Every hacker I know owns a Arceus and all its plates. Strong Intelligent

No. tc26 14:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I own all the plates too. I got them underground. TTEchidna 22:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I spent so much time underground that I have more than one of each plate. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Church?

Sui keeps adding an external link to "The Church of Arceus." I'm wondering whether or not this is notable enough, or if it's just an advertisement for an obscure fansite. I don't know anything, so you guys be the judges. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ūber?

If Arceus isn't offically reveiled, how can it be called Ūber? Can't spell.

☆ShinyPiKa 19:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)☆

Well, some people hack into their games and can get Arceus that way. So they know that way. ...I really dunno Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

His stats put him in the league of the strongest Pokemon of all, so he's safe to call that. ~Toastypk - ^Loom. 19:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Although that is true, it isn't revealed yet so it can't be under that catagory yet. It's been annoying me, please remove it. ShinyPiKa 19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It's being used, and people are able to--gasp, shocker--read its stats! And, since its stats (and movepool, for that matter) are pretty decent, it can be classified as "uber," despite it being revealed or not. --gabbie | talk 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

But people still use Arceus on Wi-Fi. Darkrai and Shaymin were in and are still in the UBER tier so why should Arceus be any different?--Blazevoir 20:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Because it hasn't been revealed yet !!! :D ShinyPiKa 22:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You cant use Arceyus in the battle tower. MathijsP 09:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Please remove Arceus from the Ūber secion 4 now, when its reveaaled u can add it back.ShinyPiKa 15:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Why? Every other website considers it ÜBER. Why should Bulba be any different?--Blazevoir 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Because people think Nintendo will kill us for actually taking note of their stuff before they officially reveal them. Unlike Platinum's existence before May 15, though, it can be proven that Arceus exists. TTEchidna 17:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Arceus vs. Mew

This is all that Mew's Pokédex entries say:

• Because it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.
• Mew is said to possess the genetic composition of all Pokémon.
• Because it can learn any move, some people began research to see if it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

First off, this kind of stuff didn't appear until Silver. Second off, it is very couched in uncertainty, and it is never said that its actually been shown to possess every type of DNA - only that its ability to perform any move has generated that rumor.

Second off, several Pokémon are completely artificial, such as Grimer/Template:P/Muk, Castform, or Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z. So, how could Mew be considered their "ancestor", or have their DNA, if its supposed to be the "first Pokemon"? Wouldn't having the DNA of Pokemon who appeared completely separate from any genetic lineage instead imply Mew was their descendant?

Porygon is even said to be "A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code." So, no DNA at all, and its upgrades are said to simply have had AI installed.

Even allowing for the monstrously egregious interpretations of genetics in the series, the idea that having all the DNA of a group makes you its ancestor is hogwash - its entirely the other way around.

Now, lets look at Arceus, and its info.

• It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
• It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
• "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
• "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
• "Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
• "The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."

Now, this is much more explicit than the Mew bit ever was. It makes it absolutely clear that Arceus came before even the universe itself, much less other Pokémon, and that it in fact created the world and life itself. Once could claim that this is uncertain do to its status as "mythology", but that would be hilariously in denial of how the series has used mythology so far - as an origin story, not as something by definition uncertain or false.

How is there even a dispute about this? If it's a retcon at all, it's a fairly small one - it was clear from the beginning that the bit about Mew being the origin had a contradictory explanation.

Now, what could work is that Mew is supposed to be god-like like Arceus and other Legendaries - in this case, it would logically be some scion of life, which would in fact explain its design. If the bit about Mew containing all other DNA turned out to be "true", in the context of the franchise, then this would also make much more sense than the pseudo-scientific jargon used in Silver - Mew contains the DNA because it is the ultimate personification of life/birth, and the scientists are trying to force a contradictory explanation for the oddity in order to deny its true, supernatural origin.

So can we please stop claiming things like the D/P Pokedex "still stating that it's the ancestor of all pokémon", or that "it's no different than people believing Arceus is the creator"? KrytenKoro 06:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Creationism vs science? In my Pokémon? It's more likely than you think! TTEchidna 06:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

ummm... "Uncertain", If I recall correctly, it can learn "Transform", which, unless I'm mistaken, involves the recombination of it's own DNA to match said pokemon that transforms. And, since Ditto's Pokédex entry hints that how it transforms involves it recombining it's DNA to match the pokémon it's trying to match, the same can easily be said for Mew. So, really, considering how it knows transform, and it can transform into a lot of pokémon, even legendaries that were supposedly created before it, it still has merit in regards to having the DNA of all pokémon, and thus being the ancestor of all pokémon.

As for the Porygon/2/z example, considering the mere fact that Mew can transform into these three pokémon DESPITE apparantly not having their DNA, I think that those Pokémon have a miniscule amount of Mew's DNA (otherwise, how can Ditto [Or mew, for that matter] transform into them?].). Besides, just because they are composed entirely of AI (whether it's the free will kind or not doesn't matter) doesn't mean it can't have DNA. Take the Mega Man series (specifically, the Mega Man X subseries through the Mega Man ZX series.), the Reploids were mentioned to be complete Machines (all derived from X's design), and yet the games also mentions that they have DNA (Reploid "DNA" was used to form the Nightmare Virus, and also revive Necromances III, Harumachine, Blizzard Staggoff, and Copy X. Plus, Axl's ability involves him mimicking his enemies (and in the case of Command Mission and [Technically] ZX advent, even bosses.).

And anyways, Mew can also transform into Grimer, Muk, and Castform, which, if Mew didn't have their DNA, then how can Mew OR Ditto even transform into them?

Also, about it's pokedex entries, both of them contradict themselves. I mean, one says that it was born before the universe existed, and yet, the other hints that it was born a little while AFTER the Universe was created, and that all IT did was merely "shape" the universe. Plus, it doesn't even HAVE 1,000 arms in its sprite, and not only that, but It also apparantly can't even learn any attacks involving arms, such as all of the punch variants.

as for the origin book, that ALSO doesn't mention Giratina (yet, anyways, for all we know, Platinum could add it in.), and plus, that same thing hinted that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, but then, why cant they merge together (I mean, Dragon Quest, and Mephiles the Dark could do it without much trouble from programming data, so why cant D/P)?

and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon as if they were nothing.

That's my ruling as to how the thing isn't retconned (well, that, as well as the fact that, if it was, then wouldn't they have removed the entry from the Pokédex?) Weedle Mchairybug 10:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together. Mew can transform its appearance, but not the nature or unique functions of a Pokémon, and if we follow good sense we can also say that it can't copy Pokémon which evolved in a special way because their not original like trading its bioligical fusion of item and Pokémon DNA.--Nobody777 12:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it can copy even those that evolved in a "special" way in even the Anime. Remember, Weavile evolves from Sneasel via the Sharp Claw item, which also fits under the special way, and despite that, Mew STILL transformed into that pokemon in the Lucario Movie. If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means. Weedle Mchairybug 13:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)