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Template:L

Aren't link templates supposed to be protected?--Maria♥♪♫δ 07:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Considering that they don't link to anything, meaning they aren't used except in very rare cases, they are useless link templates and are about to be deleted. --RexRacer 07:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It was suppose to lead to a legendary trio article.--Force ^Fire talk 07:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Take it up with TTE, he deleted it; and I got rid of it on your page because it was about to be deleted. -RexRacer 07:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Link templates

They are a part of the official policy. Please use them.--Diby 07:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

They were subst'd because they were about to be deleted. Thank you. --RexRacer 18:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC) 07:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Those weren't link templates. Those were laziness templates. Difference: one's used for 493 (and sometime soon, more) links, others are used for three. TTEchidna 07:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

AIM

Emailed to you. — THE TROM — 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry you missed me on AIM. I didn't have an away message up. If you need to talk to me still, please IM me. -Sketch 20:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I got everything sorted out with TTE. Thanks for the heads-up, though! --RexRacer 22:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Violation

By using all caps on your reply to me, you violated this. It says to "play nice", and using all caps certainly isn't nice at all. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 01:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

After an admin and the head honcho himself said it didn't violate anything, I'm not worrying about it.--RexRacer 02:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Because you hate me. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 02:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys, please...just drop it.--^☆Tavisource 02:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I will when RexRacer admits it. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 02:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No offense, Chocolate, but why are you so paranoid that everyone is out to get you and everyone hates you? --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 02:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Because they act like they hate me. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 02:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I've said that I don't already. Drop it.--RexRacer 02:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Well, then stop acting like you do hate me. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 02:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Where did he use bold words? And it's not really your job to catch people's mistakes such as this...so it would be better if you just stand back, hands-free.--^☆Tavisource 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Acting is different than actuality. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 02:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you know this...maybe not

but redlinks to the userspace do not appear on the wanteds. ^Maverick_Nate 05:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I thought the ultimate goal was to have no redlinks in any space. --RexRacer 00:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No redlinks to the mainspace, probably. Θρtιmαtum_Talk 00:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I meant, anything linking to the userspace... so User:Pikachu wouldn't appear on the wanteds, even though it is a redlink. Every other space, however, does appear (except for usertalk). ^Maverick_Nate 02:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

{{User pedia admin}}

Why do you hate colons? Chocolate (Chat with Me) 22:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead. Accuse me of hating something again. I really appreciate it.--RexRacer 04:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

pfff ridge racer only hates those who hate him.--DCM_{((Mock MeEdits))} 23:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

PONDER IT--RexRacer 23:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious about this too, actually. Is there really a difference between colons and dashes? I personally think the former is better than the latter, but.. - espeonA 22:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to get him to deal with the fact that not everything is correct and needs to be done his way.--RexRacer 22:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

uummm...

what...?--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I was saying in two letters "You just made him even more confused". I chose "kk" because I still think of you as Kkllnn, and not Cold. --RexRacer 22:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

oh...--freezingCOLD _{(page, talk)} 22:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Outdated Party templates

Hey, why did you just eliminate my game section from Fantina's Drifblim? I agree that that Party template is outdated, but in my opinion is the one best suited for that section (as it lists not the whole team of a Trainer, but rather several movesets of the same Pokémon in different battles; it also involves a Super Contest moveset). I'd make a new one just suited for listing game movesets in Pokémon pages, but I don't know how, and I thought using that one would be neat enough. Also, even if we end up not using that template, the game info has to go in there somewhere, as Fantina's Drifblim isn't a Pokémon that just appears in the anime. Memo 21:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

EFF YEAH

Agreed, pokemonmusicmaster on Youtube is a genius for uploading all that crap (except for those one-second things). And that battle theme you put up before, I had listened to that before too. Fi-ray ►strike! 01:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Aura Gurdians

Can you make a User Tag for Aura Gurdians.The Aura Wolf !!!! 13:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sketch's talk page

Did he give you permission to archive it? 0° 00:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I just felt like doing it.--RexRacer 00:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

He can archive his talk page whenever he wants. 0° 00:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

He has his rights in fact I'm gonna archive someones page for the hell of it.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You can't just archive a random person's archive just because you think it's too full. It's their choice. 0° 00:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Acually we can.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope. 0° 00:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chocolate...they're joking. I asked him to since I don't know how. -Sketch 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. 0° 00:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

... yes... it is called sarcasm--RexRacer 00:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry hon, you're always going to be Chocolate no matter what you change your name to. You can't hide. -Sketch 00:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

But "Chocolate" is an insult to me. 0° 00:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Seriously... Get over it. You shouldn't of picked as your name to begin with. And please don't give me a sob story saying that the name is tainted with bad memories. Cope with it... --ケンジのガール 00:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

But it is tainted with bad memories. 0° 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Too bad. People remember you as Chocolate. Now please take this somewhere else, my talk page is getting cluttered.--RexRacer 02:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You do realize that you're gonna get me in trouble now, right? 0° 02:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

How? I have nothing against you. I'm just saying that you changed your name two days ago. Two days after you became chocolate people still thought of you as baby g. Now please, leave me alone...--RexRacer 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna get in trouble because I promised that nobody could know my previous identity, and now everyone in the world knows. I hope you appreciate that my promise is broken now. 0° 02:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Then you shouldn't have paraded around TTE's PUBLIC TALK PAGE saying you're making a new account. -Sketch 02:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude. You posted it on MY talk page. EVERYONE goes there at least once a day. TTEchidna 02:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Still, if someone gives permission to do a sensitive action, don't make it look like they didn't--(most) sysops will take the "they didn't give permission" part and take it seriously. Higher-ups tend to lack a sense of humor when it comes to stuff like this, and what one sees as a funny joke, another sees as an insultive action. --Shiningpikablu252 00:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Most of the higher ups are in the AIM chatroom where I gave permission. Including TTE. It's fine. -Sketch 00:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Guys, I'm not even kidding. Lay off Choco-boy O Degrees. He's right; you can't archive someone else's talk page if they didn't give you permission. Instead of responding with non-blatant sarcasm, just say what happened. And O°, just refrain from continuing to harp on a discussion if you start feeling ganged-up on. --ニョロトノ666 03:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Marshmallows in Skarmory

Hopefully in generation 5 the pokedex entry will mention both Skarmory's hollowness and its stuffing. Until then, I finalized the physiology and there shouldn't be any more problems from me. I am sorry I had a bad start. Jacobe 00:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Jacobe

I am positive that it is true. The original sentence just said that Skarmory was light, and I was trying to provide the reason for the lightness. I will go back and restore the original sentence.

That said, before I made edits on the Skarmory page it was unreadable.- unsigned comment from Jacobe (talk • contribs)

Help

Okay I'm new to this so I want to know how this editing thing really works. Can you help me make sure I don't get blocked or change anything wrong?- unsigned comment from Stevenyeffcoat (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the help

That helps so thanks. I found out today when the new Pokémon movies was going to be aired but I went to wikipedia to see who the voice actors will be... apparently they are wrong. StevenYeffcoat -talk 02:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk to be me on AIM

Now.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 01:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What? I don't really use it anymore. But okay...--RexRacer 01:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know

Pokemon.com =/= Confirmation. They've been wrong before. It's best to wait till it airs before changing anything. --ケンジのガール 03:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

An Idea

Since you removed that Trivia post from the latest Anime episode I had an idea and if you don't like it I'll just drop it but here is what I have so far:

Also unlike the anime, in the games Attract will only not wear off after on its own, but only different methods, most notably after the Pokémon who used it or the Pokémon who was afflicted leaves the battle.

The purpose of what I want to see it is readded without metioning the items, but I would like your opinion first. -Tyler53841 18:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. It's pretty good, might I suggest changing it to this? "Another notable difference between the anime and the games concerns Attraction, which, in the games, does not wear off on its own." Short and simple.--RexRacer 18:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Right I'll do it your way since it doesn't need to be too detailed though what I was trying to say is the most common method. Besides I believe there are better ways of just re-editing than just delete an important note like that since it reflects a difference between the games and anime. But anyway thanks for your support and I'll re-update your idea abit but still keep it in the perimeters that you were trying to do.-Tyler53841 18:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Good job

Thank you for marking that anoying template for deletion, are regular users aloud to just add the deletion template out of the blue because we think the page should be deleted or should we get an admin's permission?--Pokemonguy1 03:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can.--RexRacer 03:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

. . .

If people would place the notices at the bottom of the page like they're supposed to, I would. Is there a rule against conforming to the norm of the styles? Besides that, who are you to tell me I can't make edits to the mainspace? シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 23:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I am the leader of Project BerryDex, and I am asking you to stop imposing messing with the berry articles. That's who I am. Without the template over it, the formatting for some pages is screwed up. Also, if we want consistanty, we will have all of the articles one way, not mismatched to make it similer to the other, non-berry pages.--RexRacer 23:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, the notices--☆Coolピカチュウ! 08:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC) go on the BOTTOM of the page. THE BOTTOM. You can ask Maverick Nate. "Project Notices - Go below everything." That exactly what Nate said. If you see my talk page, you'll know that's what he said. I was only following what an admin told me. Are you an admin? No, you're not, so I'd assume you don't know the styles. Kthnxbai. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 23:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

You want the alternative?--RexRacer 23:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh, no, I want to follow to styles, duh. But, whatever, it's not my problem if you're not going to obey the rules. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 23:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Shinji, calm down. Your edits were making problems with the prevnext appearing on Internet Explorer. Reverting them may not have been the best route to take to rectify the issue that was caused, but it is acceptable to remove such formatting issues. Also, RexRacer is the leader of the BerryDex project, that does give him authority regarding berry articles. We've found a fix that will allow the pages to fit with what both of you want to see, so please stop this bickering. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 23:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, why am I the only one being told to calm down? Secondly, I was only doing what Maverick Nate told me to do. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 00:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

So now you're going to put the notices at the bottom? Criminy. . >.> シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 08:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Calm down.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 08:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

._. When was I freaking out? Oh, and mind your own buisness. Kthnxbai. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 08:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

That was just rude and as I said I'm telling the truth Idc if I intervene unless Rex asks me I'll but out.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 08:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

And someone told you I wasn't rude? Telling the truth about what?? シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 08:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You went into that whole explanation for absolutely nothing. If you were actually going to put all the notices at the bottom, especially after I thought of it first, you could have told me instead of making yourself out to be even more of an asshole than I already think you are. =/ Too bad. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 22:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Both sides, this is getting out of hand. Let's drop everything and pretend it never5 happened. The edits are done, and now we can move on, deal? ^Maverick_Nate 00:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Project Games

Hi RexRacer! You are a member of the Project Games and so, I thought I would ask you if you have any reliable source of information about the Spin-off Pokémon games. As you are probably aware, they need the most attention of the project members. Your help in expanding these articles would be deeply appreciated. Thank you.--Sher-e-Bengal- 12:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:FB

OK, so it was originally intended for frontier brains. That doesn't mean it can't be used elsewhere, if it's convenient. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 17:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*cough* Your talkpage, sir. ^ht14 18:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe that it is only intended for Frontier Brains and should not be used anywhere else. I made the template to replace the individual laziness Frontier Brain templates, making them all into one.--RexRacer 18:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Still, it was originally [[Magikarp salesman|salesman]]. Doesn't that look exactly like the kind of thing that a link template should be used for? You gotta admit it, {{FB|Magikarp|salesman}} is much better, right? I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 18:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Laziness issue. Use it ONLY for the design it's for. That's the idea. Same with Template:DL. Only used for items. Not TCG. ^ht14 18:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I really don't care, to be honest.--RexRacer 18:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I resent the idea that using link templates for laziness is discouraged. I see laziness as using convenience to its fullest extent, making the most of it, possibly helping to streamline life for others, leading by example. In short, I see it as a GOOD thing. Instead of writing [[Pokémon]], it's much easier to write {{g|}}. Both of them come to the same thing. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 19:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Override to server, etc. Too risky. ^ht14 19:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait, override to server? What the heck does that mean? And how is using link templates for laziness purposes too risky??? I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 19:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The point is not to confuse new users when they are editing. When they see {{g|}} they will have no idea what that means. That is one of the reasons it is only supposed to be used on its intended purpose, Pokémon XD. I prohibitted it from the TCG because I want people who edit to be worried about content, not whether a laziness template is used or not. ^Maverick_Nate 20:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

And there you have it. Admin saves the day. ^ht14 03:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

くうちゅうさっぽう? ^Maverick_Nate 20:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

AG166

I was just undoing the spoiler links I put in a few edits before. I read the Manual of style and on the discussion page, this issue was addressed. rockersk08 17:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit? Shippings are not supported by the Pokémon Company Mr.Yellow 00:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

It is redundant. Shipping is made up by fans. Nowhere does it say anything about official support.--RexRacer 00:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I know it is but why don't make a template about that? (I can make one if you want) Mr.Yellow 00:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

There is already one. {{Fan speculation}}. It doesn't need to be added to the shipping articles because they are all under the Shipping: namepace, which automatically makes them speculation.--RexRacer 00:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Regirock

I was going to change an image on the Regirock page, but I can't, because it's protected by you. Would you mind terribly if you could change that image in the "in the anime" section to this image?

And I have a question to ask. How do you create a page? Are admins the only ones allowed to do that? Hmdwgf 3 April 2009 31:00 (UTC)

Anyone can create a page. Just type in what you want the page to be called in the search bar, and it will give you a redlink. Click on the redlink, and it will give you a blank edit window for the page that you want to create. As for images, the reason that only administrators can change images is that some users get into edit wars over them, with differing opinions on which one is the best. Why do you want the image changed? Is there something wrong with the original one?--RexRacer 01:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't like the current image, it's got some artifacting, and it's on another page. Hmdwgf 50:59 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page on the Regirock in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew? Hmdwgf 5 April 2009 (UTC) 43:03

It wasn't really that notable...--☆Coolピカチュウ! 04:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I thought it was, considering it's a legendary Pokemon in a movie... Hmdwgf 5 April 2009 (UTC) 57:11

True. Bur it did so little besides preventing the group and Kidd to go in the Tree of (Something)--☆Coolピカチュウ! 04:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

First off....

I was never 'warned' by another admin about adding the trivia, only to cease the edit war and bring it to the talk page; Second, why is the point of debating said trivia if mods are totally intolerant towards such an idea, and ignore any supporting reason or justification such action? - unsigned comment from Fossilgojira (talk • contribs)

First, Kogoro is one of the most powerful admins on Bulbapedia. Second, you continued to war. Third, it's an opinion. --RexRacer 01:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Your point? I do not fear merely because they have a title. I "continued to war", as you put it, because no compromise had been reached, and that's not even taking into account that 'it's an opinion' is an opinion.Fossilgojira 01:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

For clarification, we do not allow opinions, as they can vary from person to person. No more plz. — THE TROM — 01:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Why'd you delete that, is there any way to restore it, if so please do, if you object to restoring it tell me why, if you can't restore tell me--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 03:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe that it was deleted to hastily as well. Why does Bruno's Onix get a page but not this? --ケンジのガール 03:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

and honestly Johanna's Glameow has a page.--Pokemonguy1 Pikachu 03:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It was voted so over AIM. I can restore it, but it is an unnecessary article, so I will not.--RexRacer 03:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Need Help in posting News!!!!

Hello, I am a regular bulbapedia user and i want to submit a news. The source of the news is Pokebeach. My question is that can i post those news which are taken from pokebeach or it is a copyright case. I want to post a news on bulbapedia but i have a confusion of being copyrighted. So please help me and reply me as soon as possible. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, stop right there. Don't post this anywhere else, you are spamming everyone's talk pages... First, you should ask yourself if you are plagiarizing the article. If not, you should be fine. Second, post a message on Argy's talk page on Bulbanews and ask her. She is the one you are looking for.--RexRacer 07:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Hay buddy, i am not spamming but the problem is that no body is replying me. I just want to help bulbapedia and i asked from them because they are the admins. But still i am sorry to disturb you guys. Thanks alot for helping me. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

...you posted on four talk pages in less than 15 minutes. Not everyone is always online. It's okay, though. Just remember, okay? --RexRacer 07:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay i will try to remember it. So now can i ask about it from argy and post my problem on Argy's Discussion page.--♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Trainer Card Template

RexRacer, I think people will actually use this template. By the time you had written that comment, I was almost done with it. I think that people will want to use this template, and if they don't, then it can be deleted, but before then, let's give it a try? Pandamonia 23:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well first, TTE wrote the initial coding for it, so you might want to ask him before you post it as a template. Also, tempaltes for the userspace are generally discouraged unless they are usertags, which I like to get rid of anyway. Mainly I didn't want you spending a lot of time making a template that I was planning on deleting. Idk... Ask someone else. Ask TTE for a second opinion and see if he is even okay with you using his work.--RexRacer 23:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

If and only if it's okay with the Echidna-in-Chief, create it as a usersubpage (i.e. User:Example/Subpage). Do not put it in the main template space. — THE TROM — 00:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Replied to [THE TROM]- unsigned comment from Pandamonia (talk • contribs)

Why are you reverting...

...my edits? They're those that have been blocked for infinite...gone...never to come again...sockpuppets, etc. MAGNEDETH and I have been doing this, and I'm just cleaning up those pages... ^ht14 03:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe...but Zackattack's page doesn't even have anyone "yelling" at him at all... ^ht14 03:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Pages are only to be deleted if they have the welcome on them. Otherwise they are kept for archival purposes. --RexRacer 03:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Zachattack... ^ht14 03:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Notability has nothing to do with it. It's the talk page of a vandal that vandalized before we had the welcome template up and running.--RexRacer 04:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not about notability. As I said earlier, there's no user that said anything at all to him regarding his edits. Simply blocked. Your idea implies that a user from the past could be fine, and then come back a little later, vandalizing, and his page could still be kept, right? ^ht14 04:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, what?--RexRacer 04:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

You could try to figure that out, admin, however, at least understand the Zach issue...nobody else posted on the talk page besides himself... ^ht14 04:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

TTE said he wanted to keep some, so, hold off on the deletion of talk pages. -- MAGNEDETH 04:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I figured THAT much out... ^ht14 04:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Final question then. How are us "non-admins" supposed to know those sort of updates? ^ht14 04:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

You can get AIM, or you could just take our word for it when things come up. It wasn't really an issue, IMO.--RexRacer 04:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty then. Thank you, and sorry for wasting your time. Goodnight. ^ht14 04:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

...well? About the Zach user... ^ht14 21:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

So uh...

Can I edit those pages again? I mean the ones with User in front of them? --Mclena45 21:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)