Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

Ratio

> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? this S**T will turn your mama white 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela this S**T will turn your mama white 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- unsigned comment from Blackjack Gabbiani (talk • contribs)

Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --AtoMan 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? Therequiembellishere 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --Zeta 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. Tom Temprotran 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the Kecleon seen in EP205 is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- Kenji-girl

If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - 振霖_T 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. Urutapu 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via Color Change. This is too similar to discussing the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle --Johans 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own ID_trainer, which can be seen, and secret ID_secret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret). Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it here. E is the amount of ID xor ID2 (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is (the first 16 digits) xor (the second 16 digits). Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny. But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and: - if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0 - if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)

the result is 0.

Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits. Both ID_trainer and ID_secret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well. Now, when we did ID_trainer xor ID_secret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny. The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

Breeding chance in Gen IV

Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. Razor 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --Porygon 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --TTEchidna 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny user: adambesthythe

Shiny Pokemon

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? Tesh 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC) I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.Tesh 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Include 4th Gen formulas?

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway? --Reuvens 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- Umbee 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- Reuvens 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but 8 in 65536, or 8/(65536-8) (or 1/8191). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%. Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2^-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2^-13. I'm correcting this both here and on Personality value --En-Cu-Kou 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Well if the chance of something is 1 in 10 it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). You are saying that 1 in 10 is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So you are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%). If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1). If each was 50% like you were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5). And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --Sivart345 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Nobody agrees with me? Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I did write 2^-10 instead of 2^-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). Sivart345 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --En-Cu-Kou 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. Sivart345 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Egg?

If a shiny pokemon has an egg, will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? Ryguy

In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It was the legendary Red Snorlax

Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in Training Daze was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was Viper, the Drill Sergeant of the Team Rocket Academy in disguise.

Mystery Dungeon Shinies

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? TinaTheKirlia ♥ File:281MS.gif 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --Ricco 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Fossils

Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? File:Ani164MS.gifShiny^?! 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. TTEchidna 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny ditto

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--File:Ani052MS.gifFile:Ani300MS.gifFile:Ani431MS.gifkittenchild and her discoveryFile:Ani264MS.gif 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. Tina^☆♥♫δ 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? Cerberus

No. That's only in II, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p Tina ^δ♫ 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. TESHTALKFUN 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. Cerberus 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

--== Starly clock == Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in DP001 a shiny starly??? --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC) I also think there was a shiny Pidgey clock in The Stray Charmanderor whatever teh episode was called.All I know is Ash caught a Charmander in that episode. (Superdanielbros)--Superdanielbros 01:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光る ヨルノズク? File:164sMS.pngShiny^?! 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. TTEchidna 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The Prima guides

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as Effort values, Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions shiny Pokémon and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the Poké Radar. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by PokemonCenter. However, how much of the content is "official"? --Johans 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Question for G/S/C

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny in Gold and Silver? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! Tina ^δ♫ 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. TESHIGIGAS 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

question

i have a question in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later? i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72

Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shinyDCM

Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. TTEchidna 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Foreign Aid

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--PikamasterADV 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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I luv Mathmatics

Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? Hfc2x 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. Tina ^δ♫ 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? Hfc2x 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the nature. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. TTEchidnaFire echy 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Shiny

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? Zapdos 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. Tina ^δ♫ 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. TTEchidnaFire echy 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, shinies in Generation II aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --JDigital 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Colouration

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English (GT4GTR 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))

yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- MAGNEDETH 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Weedle

wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? User:ShinyMedicham

Red number colour in Gen IV?

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?GJ 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.GJ 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Breeding chance in Gen II

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? Stewy5714 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--Starlight the ampharos 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Shiny legendary pokémon?

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD hfc2X 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.Bttsstewart 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

:( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)~Poke~

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( Bttsstewart 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

this guide (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?

It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. Gliscorguy54 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which PIDs "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered lots of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. -- 8o8 Dark 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Kecleon

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --Someone Else 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. TTEchidna 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Orange Islands

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆Woodland:M ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not really.--☆CoolPikachu! 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--KukiTalk 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆Woodland:M ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. hfc2X 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --☆ケンジガール 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Reliability of sprites?

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. Gabbie 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. hfc2X 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- Umbee 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... Me, Hurray! 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Sprites missing

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for Goldeen or Torchic!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? Gligar 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Stadium

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? Heart of Thorns 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ho-Oh Error

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. Marlowe 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) (GT4GTR 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

Shiny Issue

There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--Mence Master 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC) EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.

For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:

like so.

The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

Toxicroak Debate

There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior. And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration. [1] If you look closely, it is blue.

Actually, that really looks like the filter. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--Shiningpikablu252 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? Θρtιmαtum_Talk 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. Jmath 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--Mence Master 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially rosy compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --ケンジのガール 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Alternate coloration or shiny

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about DIFFERENTLY COLORED Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

"Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. PDL 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

"Shiny" is also an official term :

http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html Froggy25 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

See here.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Metagross or Noctowl

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--Clarky13 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. The Dark Fiddler - Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2? 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --Theryguy512 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can see the shiny Noctowl's and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. ►Ҝəυzø8 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

We do need a better pic.... J-J-M 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Shiny egg sent to a different game

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? Jmvb 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the OT's Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Jigglypuff???

Aren't Little Pink and the Jigglypuff from AG138 shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.

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  Little Pink

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  The Jigglypuff from AG138

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  A shiny Jigglypuff

--Theryguy512 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It isn't really a unique thing...--RexRacer 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

But still, they're not the normal coloration like a regular Jigglypuff. --Theryguy512 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

That Table....

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--FF(edits•talk) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Do it. Roundycorners as well. — THE TROM — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

done. Images need to be added.--FF(edits•talk) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Ditto

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black. Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? Yami 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --ケンジのガール 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. Yami 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. TTEchidna 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. Yami 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --ケンジのガール 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. Yami 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'll do it. --ケンジのガール 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - unsigned comment from Pokémon Lover King Mario (talk • contribs)

Mesuda Method

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - unsigned comment from Link3710 (talk • contribs)

We actually have an article about that. I should know, I wrote most of it! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — THE TROM — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Colosseum and XD

Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- D558 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. Vuvuzela2010 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC) --Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

The term "shiny" confirmed as official?

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about Masuda method. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --Shiningpikablu252 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --Johans 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The Title Dispute

I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as Pink Butterfree. ^ht14 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Anime

I think we ought to have a List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime, in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth? Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D _ShinyPika 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't we already have one? --CuboneKing 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need more Information about these Pokémon. Hell, I don't know what the Metegross from Noodle's: Roaming off! has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. _ShinyPika 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Shiny

I have saw a shiny Sharpedo on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny Bidoof,(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.The Aura Wolf !!!! 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. _ShinyPika 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? Turtwig A Contributions Talk 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? _ShinyPika 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

First gen.

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. Lovely Rose 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes and yes. TTEchidna 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Colored vs Shiny

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. Yamikuronue 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... ^ht14 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's have a new vote. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's here. ^ht14 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

So split it into 2 pages? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. ^ht14 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... ^ht14 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. Yamikuronue 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Shiny vs. shiny

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. TTEchidna 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. ^ht14 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait for another source. CuboneKing 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. ^ht14 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. CuboneKing 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--immewnitythemew 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

I do not understand: The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner. ^ht14 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. Swampert Man_{Swampert is Awesome!} 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. Werdnae (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. ^ht14 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. Werdnae (talk) 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Shiny Stats

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? FrozenStrategy 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. Werdnae (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [2], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [3], Mantine is dark green [4], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [5], Staryu is green/brown [6], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? - unsigned comment from Vuvuzela2010 (talk • contribs)

Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?

Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —darklordtrom 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Nominated for FAC!!!

Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate  ! What do u think? ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I see no reason why this shouldn't be a featured article. I vote yes. I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 03:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

FAC talk request

Random   Shiny Pokémon:
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#Template:3Dig Wingull

In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --SnorlaxMonster 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Manga?

I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--EpicShadow 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --SnorlaxMonster 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)