Talk:In-battle effect item

Iron Ball

Why is there a point of having an Iron Ball? The only thing that makes it useful is that it gives the most power on the move Fling... Tesh 12:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Trick also combos nicely with it. --DarkfireTaimatsu 19:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You could have the Pokémon holding it use Trick Room and then the Speed cut would become a good thing. Shiny Noctowl 19:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it just seems like a pointless object. Never mind. Tesh 19:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Tesh, you're only thinking of beneficial effects from holding an item. Several held items that were added in Generation IV don't actually benefit the Pokémon holding it, but are meant to be used with other strategies that weren't possible with the previous Generations. Examples:

• Toxic Orb/Flame Orb- These items don't benefit the Pokémon that holds it, but they are useful when combined with certain moves (Fling, Trick, and Switcheroo in particular) and Abilities (Guts (with Toxic Orb at least), Magic Guard (the Pokémon won't take damage from the effect, so they can use a powered-up Facade without taking excessive damage), and Klutz).
• Iron Ball- Iron Ball can be Flung to cause massive damage, or it can be Switcheroo'd/Tricked onto an opponent in order to weaken them (especially helpful against a Flying-type or a Levitating opponent). A Lopunny or Buneary with Klutz can make the most of these tricks, since they won't suffer from the reduced speed.
• Lagging Tail- Trick or Switcheroo will put this on your opponent, making them move last every turn. Very helpful if your Pokémon is extremely slow.

Don't judge an item just by what it does; judge it by what you can do with it. Diachronos 16:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks I kind of figured that out after lol. TESHIGIGAS 16:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Black Sludge

I've always wondered, is there any advantage to using Black Sludge on a Poison-type Pokémon as opposed to Leftovers? Blink 17:37 16 August 2007 (GMT)

You could use Trick or Switcheroo. Or, if the opponent uses Thief, Covet, Trick, or Switcheroo on the first turn because they don't know what you're holding, and they aren't a Poison-type, they will get hurt. --Shiny Noctowl 16:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Or, if you're required to give each Pokémon a different hold item, it's the equivalent of being able to use 2 Leftovers. Zurqoxn 00:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I see. I thought it might restore a little more health or something.

It helps in places like the Battle Tower. TESHIGIGAS 16:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Choice Specs

...the man gives out the Choice Specs during the morning, right? Because I just went to him and he talked about BlackGlasses instead. Is 10:35 REALLY not considered morning, or does the time period for BlackGlasses-giveaway happens to be at 10? ...on the other hand, when does the Specs giveaway start and end? Tina^☆♥♫δ 16:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The Choice Specs are from 8:00 PM to 3:59 AM, so at night. File:164sMS.pngShiny^?! 13:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Focus Band/Focus Sash

Do they let you have 1HP left even if you're hit by a OHKO attack, such as Sheer Cold? File:164sMS.pngShiny^?! 13:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

No I think it doesn't work aganst 1 hitKO :D,but mmm I battled in battler frontier of emerald long ago and I couldn't beat, I recall, a Exploud wich was holding this Focus Band, because I kept using it like 5 times IN A ROW I'm freaken not kidding,, how was that posible?? I mean this I'm not jocking it did happen!! I want to know why or what!--YukitoOoO 17:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Focus Sash is one-time, always works on a hit that would bring the Pokémon from full health to death (not Sheer Cold I don't think, but yes, stuff like Psychic on a fighting-type).

if the Exploud had a Focus Band, that one can trigger multiple times, but it's only got a chance of working. That Exploud probably just got lucky-lucky. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 17:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Focus Sash works against ANY move that would otherwise take out the Pokémon while it has full health. Sheer Cold, and the other 1H-KO moves included, would take it down to 1 HP. Focus Band is just random chance that it will hold against an attack, including the 1H-KO moves again. R.A. Hunter B. 21:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that happened to my oppenent at the Battle Tower, too, but only twice. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 23:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

Wide Lens

How much does it raise accuracy by? 20%? 30%? TTEchidna^G_SDS! 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

20% TESHIGIGAS 22:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

So DynamicPunch has 70% with it? TTEchidna^G_SDS! 23:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, 60% . It's a 20% increase. (50 / 10 = 5. 5 × 2 = 10. 50 + 10 = 60%) TESHIGIGAS 16:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that taken into account before or after an ability?(i.e. Compoundeyes)

I'm not sure about that, but I'm guessing that it is done before an ability. TESHIGIGAS 16:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I would think after. Cause it is like an 'extra' multiplier (or whatever you would call it). --Sivart345 01:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

White Herb

Does a white herb, after curing status, get consumed, or is it reusable? Zapdos 18:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It is consumed. TESHIGIGAS 18:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

But in PBR and stuff like it (Battle Tower, so on) it returns. TTEchidnaFire echy 07:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean that things like it, Focus Sash and the like, when used in a PvP battle return after the battle is over, they're not gone for good? --skipperxc (talk) 22:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Question: if you were to raise your special attack, followed by overheat (were that possible) would it restore to 0, or to +1 on special attack? Zappyton 11:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Leftovers under sleeping Snorlax in FR/LG.

Do you need to find this before the Snorlax wakes up?

I've also heard of items being under certain key people in the game, but I've never found them in FR or LG. And I'm an Itemfinder fiend, running it nearly constantly. Machinedramon 19:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC) There's a Soothe Bell under where Mr. Fuji was in Pokémon Tower, and a Macho Brace where Giovanni was standing in the gym. And a Sacred Ash under where Ho-Oh perched. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 19:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You have to stand right where they were standing and use the Itemfinder for it to work; the items won't show up AT ALL if you're not standing on that exact spot. Diachronos 16:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

EXP. Share

If you have 2 exp.shares in your party do they get 1/3 of the exp or do they both get 1/2? ie. would it be practical to have 5 exp.share's if your first one can ohko almost all? Keirou 01:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

If two Pokémon are holding Exp. Shares, the experience is divided in thirds, then distributed 1/3 to one holder, 1/3 to the other, and the remaining 1/3 is distributed among whoever battled. Having 5 of your Pokémon hold Exp. Shares would be the equivalent of having an Exp. All. TTEchidna 07:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, after experimenting today in Diamond, I discovered that 2 Exp. Shares splits so the pokemon who fought get half, and the sharers get a quarter each. I'll be experimenting with three as soon as I pick it up. Salix 06:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

It appears that the Exp. Sharers get half the exp and the battlers get the other half, or at least in Diamond. Salix 03:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Didn't this split exp evenly between ALL party pokemon in gen1? If memory serves me, it did, and I think that's worth noting. Mageslayer 14:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

That was the EXP. ALL. Different item. Similar effect. — THE TROM — 21:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Smoke Ball

Does it work on Pokémon with ability such as shadow tag or arena trap or of the Pokémon used mean look before you decide to press run? TheBlazikenMaster 03:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. TESHIGIGAS 16:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Focus Band AND Smoke Ball AND Focus Sash

For Focus Band, does it work even when your HP is less than full (i.e. 1 HP can still survive)? if so, what are the odds? For Smoke Ball, how do you use it in DP? It doesn't show up in any of the 4 item menus during battle. For Focus Sash, does it FULLY disappear after use (a one-battle deal, please return to the battle tower for another)? -- Sk8torchic

1. Yes, but I don't know the odds, 2. Make your Pokémon hold it, 3. yes, but you can also get it at the route near Pal Park. Hope I helped!--Kkllnn blastoise 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Amulet Coin

If you have multiple Amulet Coins, would you gain 4 times the amount (for 2), and etc.? ^ht14 19:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No, as far as I can tell, multiple Amulet Coins and Luck Incenses do not stack. --Shiningpikablu252 19:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Black Sludge.... Again

Will Black Sludge hurt Steel types too, or only Pokémon who are affected by Poison moves? R.A. Hunter B. 22:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It will affect any non-Poison-type Pokémon, Steels included. The description does say ALL other types, but for accuracy's sake, I tried it on my Empoleon and it still worked. --Jayc 08:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

What happend to all the Sprites? The last time I checked there were Sprites. - unsigned comment from AlienX2008 (talk • contribs)

All better now. And don't forget, sign those comments! — THE TROM — 02:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Underground Appearance

For those items that appear underground, would it be possible to get images of those items as found in the underground? They could be placed at the bottom of the page if that is convenient.Bob.com bob 00:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

And...what would be the point of that exactly??? That would be like saying 'get a sprite of a Pokémon, but while it's in a battle.' --Theryguy512 00:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

well, you already have sprites of the plates, rare bone, fossils, odd keystone, shards, evolutionary stones, and several other objects, but not of any of these items, at least none that i have found. -- Bob.com bob 01:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well firstly, I totally misread your initial comment; my apologizes. And secondly, it is to my understanding that none of the items on this page can be found Underground, though I may be mistaken... --Theryguy512 01:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Everything under Condition Boosters and then the Iron Ball can be found in the Underground. R.A. Hunter B. 03:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

If someone can find them and upload them: do it. — THE TROM — 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The Grip Claw cannot be found in the Underground, so don't freak out when you can't find the Underground sprite for it. Bob.com bob 05:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I found them, I just don't know what do. Like, a table, or something like that?

*insert other sprites here*

The only difference is that the files are "Mine" instead of "Bag". R.A. Hunter B. 03:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

you could look on the source for other pages that have such images (like evolutionary stones or any of the fossils) for guidance if you don't know what to do with the pictures. Also, if you have sprites for underground items found on other pages it would be nice if you could upload to there, as well. -- Bob.com bob 04:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I meant that I don't know if we should use a table for them, or just have them floating in the middle of nowhere at the bottom of the page. And I know the Quick Claw isn't down there, I meant everything in the Condition Booster section, and also the Iron Ball, can be found down there. And we can't put the fossils or stones on the page, because those don't have any in-battle effects. R.A. Hunter B. 15:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

What I'd think best? Put the Underground sprites on the Underground's page. We don't need them floating all over the place. Ideally, even, they'd be backgrounds with the charts over them... but I dunno if we can do that... TTEchidna 17:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I did not say Quick Claw, I said Grip Claw, which is under the condition boosters section. Also, I believe that a table would probably be the best way to go if you were to put the sprites on this page, but I think it would be great to put all the items on the Underground page, too. Bob.com bob 16:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

My bad. And I didn't see the Grip Claw under that section. As for the tables, it would probably work better on the Underground's page now that I think about it. All of the items found there link to it anyways. I'll see what I can do. R.A. Hunter B. 19:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

So yeah. I'm not happy right now. I had JUST finished making it, and hit preview, and then Bulbapedia dies. After 30 freakin minutes doing the stupid thing.... now I have to redo it. This time I'll save the stuff on a word document. R.A. Hunter B. 20:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Is there a sprite for the Oval Stone, too? I did not see it in the table of items, but it is in the table of item shapes. Or is the shape table wrong? -- Bob.com bob 23:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

That's why I asked for people to add anything I missed. It took me 30 minutes to redo it, and I did the stones by memory. I'll go add it. R.A. Hunter B. 00:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Lucky Egg

Didn't Lucky Egg doubled Exp before Generation IV? Doesn't this deserve a mention? Mr. Charlie 14:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No. It's like a traded Pokémon. They got half of the normal Exp added on to the total gain from the defeated Pokémon. R.A. Hunter B. 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

F.E.A.R

Is it possible to use a focus band in F.E.A.R instead of a focus sash User: Vespitomb 10:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but the Focus Band only has a 10% chance of working, although it doesn't require full health to work. In other words, you can use it, but 9 times out of 10 it won't work, making it a pretty useless choice. Werdnae 10:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Shedinja & Focus Sash

How does Focus Sash behave when held by Shedinja? Is it a free one-hit protection? UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 12:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes. This was discussed elsewhere, actually, and is borderline forummy, but let's chuck it in the article. — THE TROM — 12:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

More Focus Sash

It says here that Future Sight and Doom Desire can override the Focus Sash. Both of the moves' pages says that they can't take out a Pokémon that has a Sash. Why? R.A. Hunter Blade 17:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

More More Focus Sash/Focus Band

Do Focus Band/Focus Sash protect against Explosion/Selfdestruct? Zesty Cactus 02:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

They protect *against* the "exploding" moves, but doesn't prevent the user from fainting. --Bbbbbbbbba 04:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Quick Claw

Is it consumed after use? The news you cam [i]see[/i] it being used makes me think so, but I wanted to be sure. Machamp ion 17:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It is not. — Tenno Seremel 00:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Zoom lens

The in-game description says it boosts critical hit rate, not accuracy. Possibly by two levels given the timing requirement, unless the in-game is wrong, official nintendo guides have had errors, so. . . ~Kendai 22:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Shed Shell

Explain how this item functions... I'm massively confused on how to use it. ^ht14 03:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

If your Pokémon is trapped by a move, such as Fire Spin, it can escape/switch out. Same thing if the opponent has Shadow Tag or Magnet Pull. I haven't ever used it, but I'm pretty sure it has unlimited uses. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

So that's what it does. The in-game description isn't really helpful, but it makes sense now. ^ht14 02:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

A Question About Metronome - move + item

When Metronome the move is used while holding Metronome the item, does it properly affect the randomly selected move so that by the 11th time the move is used, any attack selected is doing 100% more (double) damage? ––Wikifixer 18:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

No. Because Metronome calls up a random move, the hold item Metronome would only work if you got the same move twice in a row, which most likely won't happen. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

"Critical Hit Ratio"(accuracy)

This does not make sense. Could someone field-test whether the Zoom Lens boosts one or the other? Thanks--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 02:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where that comes from, but the in-game description says critical hit ratio. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Someone already fixed it...now what about those quotation marks...--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did. And I'll get the quotations. Unless the rest of the page is like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Right-O!--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 04:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Big Root

It can be found on Route 3 according to the article, could someone add it in. I tried but it wouldn't work. Gallevoir 14:24 20 Feburary 2010

Do we know if the Big Root will affect Dream Eater (in any generation)? I can't find positive or negative confirmation of this anywhere. Delspencerdeltorro 23:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Turn Alteration

I moved Iron Ball from Turn Alteration to Negative Effect on Holder because it doesn't technically alter anything in the priority bracket. It just cuts speed. Smythe 12:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it makes the holder move last. Unless somebody can prove it doesn't. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I went by the in-game description and what the page listed as the effect. Obviously "Cuts the holder's Speed by 50%" is not a true priority change, but it could be wrong. Smythe 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

It does cut the holder's speed (and makes the holder if it's flying type or has levitate vulnerable to ground-type attacks), it's Lagging tail that affects priority. Holding lagging tail will make the pokemon move after one holding iron ball.Wikifixer 20:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Template

I started putting the items into the templates. As you can tell, it's severely lacking information such a descriptions across generations and sell prices. Sell prices I didn't know, I put as "001". Please feel more than free to correct anything, add anything, or to continue putting things in the template. I'm out of free time for now. I'll get to work again later... Smythe 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

There might be a problem with the change to a template like this. Since the item names are no longer section headers, linking to specific items isn't working because it doesn't find the item name as a section anymore. EG: [[In-battle_effect_item_(section)#Choice_Scarf]] isn't working anymore. Megaericzero 02:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

It works... try clicking this. It works. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 02:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Choice Items

Do the effects of the choice items end when the Pokémon holding them switch out? Or, will the Pokémon be forced to use the same chosen move when it switches back in? ~ Ender Phoenix 07:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The effect ends when the Pokémon is withdrawn. Werdnae (talk) 07:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks very much. ~ Ender Phoenix 07:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Amulet Coin held?

It says it can be held by wild Machokes in FRLG, Machoke#Held items says otherwise. Which one is true?--Afrael 17:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Life Orb

Does life orb power up explosion or will it not have any effect? S Ninja D 15:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Focus Sash

If a Shedinja is holding a focus sash, will it then become pretty much invinsible? It only has 1 HP, so any attack tha hits would bring it down from full health to death. Focus sash would make it stay at 1HP, but since this is its full HP, it could be sed again and again. Would this work? --- Migrant

New comments to the bottom of the page please. Your question has already been answered on this page. Try the section titled Shedinja & Focus Sash. Werdnae (talk) 09:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Negative effect items

Do these items actuallt benefit the holder in any way, or is the idea to use an item-switching move? Takharii ~ Talk! 05:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Some abilities are activated when a Pokémon is inflicted with a burn or poison. Some moves are more powerful at a lower priority. Some of those items have additional effects when combined with Fling. There are a range of strategies that can be used, not just using Switcheroo or Trick. —darklordtrom 06:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Shed Shell PHaze

Does the shed shell bypass traps with PHaze moves? In other words, if I give a Skarmory a shed shell, could it use roar or whirlwind to force a Pokémon with the Magnet Pull ability out, or would Skarmory itself have to switch?

Shed Shell just allows your Pokémon to switch out, regardless of Magnet Pull, or other abilities/moves. As far as I know, Magnet Pull dosen't work that way. It simply prevents opposing Steel types from switching out. You should be able to phaze the Magnet Puller anyway. If you were trying to phaze a Cradily with Suction Cups it wouldn't work if you held the Shed Shell. Werdnae (talk) 00:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Focus Band code.

Are there any checks or surprises that explicitly prevent Focus Band from activating an infinite number of times in a row on a lucky day? --PLA 19:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there is, but you would have to be seriously lucky for it to occur. I know that it can activate multiple times in the same battle - I once had an opponent saved twice in a row by the Focus Band. Werdnae (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Generation III

Ok, here's the deal. All of the Items Introduced prior to Gen.IV games except Berserk Gene, Amulet Coin, and Smoke Ball, ARE purchasable in Pokémon Colosseum's and/or Pokémon XD's Mt. Battle via Poké Coupons, but they are not being mentioned here. I just want to know if it's worth it. -- Saito FX 21:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Lagging Tail

Besides using Switch with this item to give it to your opponent, there are reasons to want YOUR Pokémon to go last. If your Pokémon knows a move like Avalanche or Revenge, they do more damage when your Pokémon is hurt during the current turn. This means they have to go second at least in order to get the bonus damage. -KingStarscream 19:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not helping the article. This is really just forums content. --SnorlaxMonster 06:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Metronome (item)

Does it affect moves such as Outrage? --Slimmy 00:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, Outrage does not appear in Swipe moves Piotr mil 20:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Rechargable Battery and Red Card

It says they're single-use items. Does "single-use" mean if the affect happens, it won't happen again for the rest of the battle, OR does it mean it's "consumed" and goes away, lost forever? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

The general meaning of "single-use" is that they are consumed and gone forever. As far as I'm aware, this has not changed in Gen V (i.e. no one's told me otherwise). —darklordtrom 06:58, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Then it should be made clear, since "single-use" isn't the same as "consumed," as every other blurb on Gen IV items and older make clear. If they vanish, they should be noted as "consumed," only because if I can express confusion on the aspect, so can other people. If they vanish, they vanish. If they only work once per battle but don't vanish, that needs to be definitively noted, too. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

In general, consumed things are only consumed if you use them outside of wifi/IR battles or battle frontier/subway/tower etc. You can reuse them as many times as you want there - unsigned comment from Pyritie (talk • contribs)

WHY

WHY DID EVERYONE BREAK EVERYTHING.

They're in a currently-Japan-only game! WHY DID YOU NOT INPUT THE JAPANESE NAMES? TTEchidna 04:46, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Japanese names added. Know any other articles that need it? Bluesun 08:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Cassettes

I would argue that they deserve their own page. --SnorlaxMonster 00:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

As long as the Plates have one, it seems consistent. --PLA 09:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)