Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2

WTF?

Giratina controls dimensions? That's stupid... can somebody remove that? Time and Space (depth, lengh and width) are the freaking dimensions everyone! So Giratina has more power than both Dialga and Palkia? I think not. Remember that Giratina lives in the Distortion World... a place that disobeys the laws of Time and Space. hfc 2X 22:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 types of dimensions, matematical, which you were talking about, and spacial, which would be under Giratina's control. If you don't belive me, look up "Plane (metaphysics)" on Wikipedia. The dimensions that Giratina controls are alternate planes of exictence, also called dimensions!- unsigned comment from GuyNamedSean (talk • contribs)

It seems that Giratina can control gravity, or atleast that is how I enterpreted the explanation of its form shift. It also makes some sense because gravity could be considered a third factor in time-space Enigmaberry 02:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with hfc2X, this needs to be changed. It was never officially stated anywhere that Giratina controls dimensions or anything at all, really. If you guys are going to write up fan speculation, you can at least, you know, actually make a note of that. Marlowe 02:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

An additional note, after editing the page a few times I noticed that only established users are allowed to make changes, my mistake there. Still, this needs to be changed for accuracy. Marlowe 02:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You do realize that this talk section is from BEFORE Platinum was released in English, right? R.A. Hunter Blade 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anything? Whether it's from one day or even five years ago, it doesn't change the fact that a change still needs to be made. As an encyclopedia, this doesn't need fanon crap. Marlowe 02:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Because Platinum confirmed it. Duh. ~ platinum_sol 02:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Prove it, then. Marlowe 02:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Disprove it, then. ~ platinum_sol 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It is also said in the Distortion World by Cyrus about Giratina's control over dimensions...I'm way, way ahead of that, otherwise I'd give you the exact quote.--^Psychic _Rider^☮ 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

My bad. I forgot. Giratina can't go between dimensions, or drag people into the Distorted World, or anything like that. Sorry. I guess it has no real power. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Spare me the reverse psychology, Sol, you said that Platinum confirmed it and I'm telling you to point to me where that was specifically confirmed. You're the one making false claims, not me. It was never stated that Giratina controls dimensions, this is FAN SPECULATION which is something that Bulbapedia frowns on if I'm not mistaken. At least it's something they should be frowning upon. Marlowe 02:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

If you can't prove that it hasn't been proved, then it's useless to try and say that it's fan speculation. PsychicRider has confirmed it, so no, it's not fan speculation. ~ platinum_sol 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Quit acting like a politician and disprove it. You're avoiding what somebody tells you that goes against what you're trying to say. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sol, you're the one who's in a position to prove something, not me. I basically asked "Where was that confirmed?" and you've yet to answer that question. I would like the specific quote of Cyrus stating this, though, as I don't recall it. Marlowe 02:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm way past that, as in Battle Frontier past, but I do remember that it is confirmed from Cyrus's dialogue. --^Psychic _Rider^☮ 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

So I'm apparently supposed to conveniently be at the point in time where Cyrus says that specific quote. ~ platinum_sol 03:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

No, this isn't a perfect quote, but: "Hmm... so Giratina disappeared into the real world... it doesn't matter. I'll capture it, and then I'll use the dimensional powers of Giratina to form a new world here and destroy the real one." R.A. Hunter Blade 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe that's the quote I was looking for...boys, we have our proof. :D. --^Psychic _Rider^☮ 03:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case (if that was explicitly stated), I stand corrected. Thanks. Marlowe 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't mention it. It only took me 30 minutes to think of. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not to sound like a broken record here, but I've just gotten through the Distortion World on my second run-through and Cyrus doesn't make that statement anywhere. I even saved right before the battle with Giratina to see what Cyrus would say in both scenarios (catching Giratina or defeating it), but the dialogue only changes slightly and there's still no explicit mention of it having control over dimensions. Besides, aren't space and time dimensions as well? Judging from some of the official interviews on Giratina I've just read, I'm more inclined to say that Giratina simply controls antimatter. If I'm not mistaken, antimatter IS considered to be the third factor out of time and space, after all. I propose that we take "dimensions" out of the sentence. Marlowe 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I watched a Youtube video and saw the same thing. But no. Dimensions isn't coming out. The descriptions aren't just for the games, but also the anime/movies you have to remember. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Bubbly Mew

Wherever I go, whatever I read that's about Mew or the first movie, it says something like "The Bubbly Mew appeared in the first move", or something like that. Now, why is it called "Bubbly Mew" and why is it just the Mew in the first movie? And where did that term of Bubbly Mew ever come from?--DRAGON BEAST ^X 22:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's that the Mew in the first movie enjoyed making bubbles. SD13 Simpsondude13>SD13 Talk 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Phione?

Does Phione really count? And why not Unown? I always thought of the symbols as legends. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic

Phione counts because to get one you have to breed a legendary. Unown doesn't because it's extremely distant from any other legendary. Note the beasts and the birds. Sure they're separated by the powerhouses and events by Dratini and Larvitar's families, but they're next to each other and divided from the others by no more than three Pokémon. Unown has 50 down and 42 up. TTEchidna 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

So all legends have to be near each other in the pokedex? Since when? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 16:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Besides, nobody would buy Unown being legendary, what with how they're found all over the place in the Ruins of Alph, Tanoby Chambers, and Solaceon Ruins. Trust me, in the time it takes to breed for one Phione, odds are one could catch 2 PC boxes entirely full of Unown (although there's no guarantee that all 28 forms would be included)...--Shiningpikablu252 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Can we really stop saying that Rayquaza is based on a Ziz

It really isn't. The closest thing we have to a bird whose wingspan is large enough to block out the sun is Lugia, atleast according to the accounts of an elderly NPC in Ecruteak city.--Outrage DD 22:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, Groudon isn't a giant hippo...elephant...rhino...thing...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

They are both based on the concept of these legendary creatures. Masters of the sky and land respectivly.--Mister E 13 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Info

Why is Rotom not a legendary?, I'm not complaining, I just want to know why.Pokemonguy1 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

*slaps with a wet Magikarp* Archives are your friends. — THE TROM — 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

because it doesn't have monster stats--PG1 FTW! 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Neither does Phione, and yet it's still a Legendary. Weedle Mchairybug 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

That's because a legendary is needed to obtain it. --Theryguy 512 19:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a reminder that this is a forums topic.... o_0 Go there, peeps. — THE TROM — 09:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do to catch it is to press a on a tv during night time. to get a phione, like it was said before, you need to have manaphy and breed it. --Usyflad10 (talk) 23:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Rotom can breed; legendary Pokemon cannot. Manaphy being the exception but it's more of a 'novelty' that it produces Phione when it lays an egg. Bttsstewart 03:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon group picture

I made this: [1]

I think it'll be nice if it was placed in this article, next to (or instead of) that Entei pic.

Greetz, Abel

It's nice really but the thing is that the Johto legends will be getting new artworks soon and, maybe, the admins might not like the signature on the upper right. Also, Deoxys is actually shorter than Mewtwo. ^tc²₆ tc₂₆ 12:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a reminder that fan art, I think, is generally frowned on. While that is very impressive, we can't use it here. — THE TROM — 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias

So I know that the current pic is better than the last, but I'm pretty sure it's fan made. And we aren't supposed to have fan pics on pages. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? That's the same font the Pokémon Company uses, it's in Sugimori's style, and it has his hanko on it...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Who's the girl though? R.A. Hunter Blade 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Beats me. But that's definitely official. TTEchidna 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias should be jhoto legendaries because the movie takes place in jhoto. JetanHertz13 00:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

That's... nice? If you join in a conversation that's like... 5 months old, at least add something important. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 00:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias appear in a Johto-era movie because they needed to hype up Hoenn. Der. The Eon duo don't even appear in Johto in HGSS, they're roaming Kanto! And it's JOHTO, not Jhoto. TTEchidna 00:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Since Heatran being the first with a variable gender is mentioned, shouldn't it be mentioned that they were the first legendaries to have genders? Goldenpelt 08:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Protection Error?

Isn't this page protected? I had no problem editing it, and I'm no admin. --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) THE VERY BEST PAGE! 20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

New users are blocked from editing (which, at the current state of the wiki does nothing). Only admins may move the page, though. —darklordtrom 20:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhhhh... NOW I get it... --CUBONE PWNS (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) THE VERY BEST PAGE! 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia: Legendary Pokémon Themes

It should be noted that in the upcoming games, HeartGold and SoulSilver, that Lugia and Ho-Oh now both have their own, distinct themes in the upcoming games. It was confirmed on the "never before seen footage" on Pokémon Sunday where they revealed meeting Lugia and Ho-Oh in the games. :) From the small clips you can hear, Ho-Oh's theme seems to be very Japanese-percussion based (taiko drums) and Lugia's is very orchestral-dramatics based. - unsigned comment from Gimmetokyo (talk • contribs)

I wonder if it's also pertinent to mention that the legendary beasts in HG/SS technically have their own unique themes, as well - or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they have their own unique remixes of a theme. Either way, their battle music in HG/SS is not shared (identically, at any rate) with any other Pokemon. --Xatni 01:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Xatni

New article

Since the Legendary Trios and Duos have articles, should the Legendarys without a group (Trio Master's not included) get there own article too? - unsigned comment from Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs)

If you mean Legendaries like Mew, Celebi, and Manaphy, then no. What would we write that isn't already on their own pages? R.A. Hunter Blade 04:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Arceus HGSS pic

File:Arceus - HGSS Event Artwork.jpg

How about adding it? -- R~~ikki~~Kitsune 21:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If I could, I would!--The Bulb's Master 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

I didn't place that one since one for the Azure Flute event would be better. It would be similar to Darkrai and Shaymin. ^tc²₆ tc₂₆ 12:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll put it in for now. We can always change it when the Flute event gets its own artwork. We're using the HGSS Beasts artwork aren't we? R.A. Hunter Blade 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit!

I can't edit, but one of you should include that they can be found in Sinnoh.--The Bulb's Master 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

"Legendary"

Is the term "legendary" an official descriptor or one applied by the fandom? Redstar 23:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Its official. It appears in the games, anime, and all sorts of sources. It even appears in some Pokédex entries. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been playing Blue and the first instance of the term "legendary Pokemon" is on Route 14 by a Bird Keeper, for future reference. Redstar 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine

"If you were looking for the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see Arcanine (Pokémon). " Why does it say that? What does it have to do with anything Qim1 00:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine's species name is "Legendary Pokémon". In comparison, Bulbasaur's is "Seed Pokémon". Just on the off-chance that someone thinks Arcanine is actually a Legendary Pokémon, in the sense meant on this page. —darklordtrom 01:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Arcanine is considered as legendary in Chinese... since many Pokédex entries says Arcanine is from China.Palkia38 07:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon of Legend, Illusion, and Myth

Is there any source for these categories of legendaries? The main paragraph suggests the Japanese versions identify legendaries differently that was narrowed for translation... What Pokemon are in these various categories, and why? What exactly do the Japanese versions say? Redstar 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Slowpoke/king

This may meet with some dissent, but would Slowpoke or Slowking qualify under "Other Pokemon of myth"? Slowpoke is pretty dominantly featured in GSC and HG/SS, as well as the corresponding anime episode, as the savior of Azalea in time of need. He's practically worshiped there. I don't believe this story was ever explicitly stated as fact, but rather as a cultural legend of sorts. That means Slowpoke is featured in a legend, and so possibly counts as a low-tier legendary like Arcanine of Togepi.

Slowking may same to fit the position more, but the extent of its qualification are the second movie. I don't know if human speech, a knowledge of ancient prophecies, and a role in that prophecy coming true/being resolved counts as a legendary, but should also be considered.

So, what are the opinions on counting on or both as minor legendaries? I'll agree to any consensus, but just thought it would be worth bringing up since Slowpoke does garner some "It's a legendary" statements from time to time. Redstar 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Pastoria worships Croagunk. Does that mean it's a minor legendary too? Slowpoke, as far as I know, only gets mentioned as legendary when people are being sarcastic.--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 00:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I was unaware of Croagunk's position in that area, though that does get me thinking... Slowpoke, Croagunk, and possibly some of the "Other Pokemon of myth" featured here might do well on a "Pokemon of cultural significance" kind of article. I expect gen 5 will introduce at least one new Pokemon that is treated similarly to these two, so at that time it might be feasible to make such an article. Redstar 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

We need more than two Pokémon of culutral significance to make it an article. —darklordtrom 01:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is why I suggested waiting until gen 5 when another Pokemon may be featured. But, as it stands now, Arcanine, Ninetails, and the Togepi line are strong candidates for such an article. Note that "legendary" is as much a fan-term as a canon one, so creating a corollary term for culturally-significant Pokemon would be ideal as well as alleviate the constant arguing about who is and isn't a legendary, when frankly many of the supposed legendaries would make more sense in a culture article. Redstar 01:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Unique Pokemon

So which Pokemon exactly are "unique" besides Mewtwo? I'm just curious. Also, has it ever been confirmed that Mewtwo is unique? '''LugiaRox''' 02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Well he is the first cloned legendary, first created legendary. But that's probably speculation.--Midnight Blue 03:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo is a special case. He's not even a "legendary" in the in-universe sense (no associated legends), only in the fanon sense. Discussing what other Pokemon are "unique" is beating a dead horse, since it's been done before and there's no way we can no for sure. Looking at it one way, nearly every Pokemon is unique, but in another way there's room for multiplies. Who knows? As for created Pokemon akin to Mewtwo, I'm sure that area will be explored at some point. Come gen 5, all the loose strings will be tired up. Redstar 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe we could safely say that Arceus is unique. '''LugiaRox''' 05:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Arceus is the personification of a concept. There could very well be more than one, with each being an avatar of an incomprehensible concept. It's called pantheism. Hindis practice it. Redstar 05:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Hindu's you moron, hindi is the language they speak in india!--Minimag 05:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Does it really matter? And the term "Hindi" also applies to Hindu literature and culture. Religion/mythology is within the scope of culture, so there you go. I know my use of language. Redstar 05:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was polytheism. Anyways, in Hinduism concepts, gods are an aspect of Brahmna, the eternal being, which could be what Arceus could be based on, with the three major aspects of Brahma being legendary trios. Though I doubt this because Nintendo is based in Japan and not India. Turt wig A (talk | contribs) 00:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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The non-uniques are:

Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back & Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)
Lugia (The Power of One, Silver, and possibly Movie 13)
Regirock, Regice, Registeel (Brandon's Regis & Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)
Regigigas (Giratina and the Sky Warrior & DP129)
Lati@s (Pokémon Heroes)
Deoxys (Destiny Deoxys)
Manaphy (Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea)
Phione (DP113)
Darkrai (The Rise of Darkrai and DP104)
Shaymin (Giratina and the Sky Warrior)

Uknown, yet debateable:

Cresselia - If there's more than one Darkrai, why not Cresselia?
Heatran - Only one has appeared so far, and even then, it was in the distant past.
Jirachi - It came from space. We don't know if more are out there like Deoxys and Clefairy.
The legendary birds - Unlike the beasts, we don't know if there were only 3 specifically created, although it is probable that they're unique.
The legendary beasts- Although we know that Ho-Oh created 3 from the ashes of Pokémon, Suicune has appeared multiple times and sometimes in different regions. It has appeared in 3 episodes of the anime and one movie. The Entei in Spell of the Unown was only an illusion created by the Unown.

Unique:

Mewtwo - It isn't actually a legendary in the anime, just a bad clone of one.
Ho-Oh - Even though its counterpart, Lugia, is known to be able to have offspring, Ho-Oh seems to be a single Pokémon that travels around.
Celebi - Although many appeared in Pokémon 4Ever, they were the same Celebi, just from different time periods. The past and future came together in the present.
Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza - Kyogre and Groudon have appeared in the Team Magma and Team Aqua arc, and Kyogre has appeared in a movie or two. Rayquaza could be argued as having more than one in its species, but it is most likely the only one.
Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit - They were created by Arceus to keep Dialga and Palkia in balance.
Dialga and Palkia - They are the keepers of time and space.
Giratina - It is the guardian of the Reverse World, an distorted mirror of the Pokémon world. Although it could be argued that because mirror dimensions exist, and there would be Reverse Worlds for each of these mirror dimensions, that is extremely technical and most likely won't be mentioned.
Arceus - Creator of the Pokémon universe. Not much more to say about that.

If that doesn't clear some things up, I don't know what will. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there is no way that Celebi would be the same Celebi from different time periods (as most of those Celebi [those supposedly from the future] would also not exist if that were the case, since it died.). As for Groudon and Kyogre, it was heavily implied in the end of Scuffle of Legends that they went to sleep again for another age-long rest (almost eternal), and it was also implied that the orbs are the only way they can awake, so it's more likely that Kyogre, at least, has multiples (since unless someone had bonded with the Blue Orb, then Kyogre should not awake, and thus not appear in Movie 9 if it's the same one.). Rayquaza was also implied to be captured by Team Rocket, and it won't make any sense that Rayquaza would be around the atmosphere if it can't get out (which the scene of it's capture implies that it can't escape.) Dialga and Palkia, did they even recognize Ash and co. when they appeared in the Team Galactic Two-Parter? If not, they're definitely not one of a kind, and since Giratina is also part of the same trio, that means it has to have multiples as well. For the Three Pixies, if there are more than one Dialga and Palkia, there are definitely going to be more than one Pixie Trio. So far, the only pokemon to be completely confirmed to be one of a kind without a doubt is Mewtwo. If Arceus somehow appears later on and doesn't even recognize Ash and Co, then it's safe to say that Arceus is also not one of a kind. As for Ho-Oh, let's wait until Movie 13 before we can say that it's one of a kind (If it doesn't recognize Ash, then it's safe to say it's not one of a kind.). Weedle Mchairybug 02:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow. I wasn't asking for a "Your wrong, stupid." type of response. We're trying to clear things up, not get into a fight. But since you want an argument for my point... For Celebi, the concept of time in the Pokémon universe, both games and movies, isn't immediate. In PMD2, you don't disappear right away. You still have like, a minute before you start to go away after correcting time. In Movie 12, it took forever for Ash and co. to nearly disappear, which they didn't. Celebi would have enough time to come back to heal itself. And who said it died anyways? It would also know when it would need to heal itself since it's a time travellor, and has basically the same powers that Dialga has, except they're not as massively powerful. There also isn't more than one Palkia, Dialga, or Arceus, as they're the only ones that are in existance. Dialga lives in a dimension outside of time, and Palkia controls all dimensions, except for Dialga's and Arceus'. It doesn't really matter if Palkia and Dialga recognize Ash and co. in the anime, because the anime =/= the movies. And from what I can tell, they don't do anything anyways. Cyrus captures them, and then the Lake trio free them and they go away. And there isn't more than one of each of the Lake trio, because there's... wait for it... three lakes for the three Lake guardians, and three gifts to humans. And so what if it appears that Team Rocket has Rayquaza? That was only in the intro to Movie 9 to show that there's evil in the Pokémon world. As for Groudon and Kyogre, again, anime =/= movies. Can't stress that enough. Those anime episodes were directly based off of R/S. There isn't any movie that's based specifically off of any part of a game. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

If Anime=/=Movies, then you shouldn't have even cited the movies in the first place (In other words, you shouldn't have cited Darkrai's appearances, as well as the other Legendary Pokémons appearances.). As for who said it had died, the mere fact that even the newly purified healing spring wasn't able to heal it implied that it had died. And for the record, I wasn't calling you stupid nor even implying that you were. And another thing, just because there are three lakes in Sinnoh that hold the pixie trio does not mean that there cannot be more than one Pixie trio. It was earlier implied that there was only one Mew left in existance, yet it was later made clear that there were actually two mews. Weedle Mchairybug 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Isn't there more than one Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina because of every Gen. IV game having them, but in different ways. HeartGold and SoulSilver has Arceus create one on the spot while DPPt has one already there. Doesn't that mean they are debatable? Turt wig A (talk | contribs) 02:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I really don't think any of this matters actually. The only part that talks about unique legendaries, other than that one sentence, is the bottom where it lists the different in-battle music. I would say more, except I know Mchairybug will contradict everything I say. That's why I've stopped talking about it. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Definitively

We can only say without a doubt that Mewtwo is unique in the anime. Arceus, the dragon trio, and the lake trio are presumed due to their link to the universe's creation. The rest, we can't say definitively, though we can more or less assume there's been only one Ho-Oh we've ever seen (Ash indicates it), and the weather trio's important roles also seem to point to there being only one of each.

Also, don't, don't think in the game sense in the anime. Also, the movies are canon, Ash-haters, find another thing he's not worthy of to rip on him for... like Gible or something. TTEchidna 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's notable though that in "Mewtwo Strikes Back" Mew is refered in the single sense by many trainers(Such as saying "Mewtwo was cloned from Mew" instead of "Mewtwo was cloned from A Mew"). It could be that this Mew is ether the last one of the Mew kind, or just the Mew that's DNA was used to make Mewtwo. It's impossible to say though, since the movie never expands on this fact.--Dsman195276 04:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Wobbuffett in the trivia section

Wobbuffett is not a legendary, but it along with Garchomp are the only non-legendary pokémon to be considered uber in competitive battling - unsigned comment from Rocklee clone (talk • contribs)

Unofficial tiers of competitive battling is irrelevant to this article. There's no need to mention Wobbuffet here. --electAbuzzz z 21:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Trivia; Other languages

So, I was looking on the French analog site (Poképédia) and noticed that there are only six legendaries that have had their name changed. (As far as I can tell, only a few of the non legendary pokémon retain the same english name.) They are: Zapdos (Électhor), Moltres (Sulfura), and Articuno(Artikodin); and Azelf(Créfadet), Mesprit(Créfollet), and Uxie(Créhelf). Does this count as trivia?--Lamb(talk) 00:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

This is already mentioned in the article's trivia section.;)--Beligaronia (talk) 01:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Whoops. Didn't see that.--Lamb(talk) 06:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

In Game Re-battle

I know from elsewhere on this site that (in HGSS at least) if the legendary beasts are KO'd in battle, they can be 'revived' and battled again (for example, if you KO suicune, it'll keep reapearing in Burnt Tower until it's caught). I was just wondering which other legendaries can also be rebattled if they're KO'd? --Oatzy 23:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe it is any Pokémon that appears as a one-time capture, and you have to (re)battle the Elite Four in order to reset them. I know it works on Sudowoodo. On a similar note, I would like to know if its nature, IVs, etc. are reset when it reappears, particularly in regard to the roaming Pokémon. Giratina's stats were reset in Platinum. --JacobCrystal 19:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Champion Cynthia's team.

Did anyone else notice the groupings in http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon#Other_Pok.C3.A9mon_of_myth ?

Out of the eleven bullet points on that list, Cynthia uses pokemon from five points, exactly one pokemon for each of those five points. The groupings aren't exactly hewn in stone, though, so it's hardly trivia worthy. --PLA 09:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Reshiram and Zekrom

MAGNEDETH made the completely understandable decision to lock down this page to curb speculation, but Reshiram and Zekrom are confirmed to be legendaries by the Japanese site: http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/top.html Drapion 20:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll be adding them later on. This whole damn page has been in cleanup for a couple months now, but I've been distracted. I'll finish editing it tomorrow and finally add them, under a Generation V header, tomorrow. Er. Today. I guess. It's early. TTEchidna 10:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Zoroark?

Should Zoroark be in Other Pokémon of myth?? Or do we need to wait till the movie has actually premiered so we know exactly what he/she/it is or done?

Wait till the movie comes out. We don't know much about Zoroark's role, yet. Takharii ~ Talk! 08:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Again, likely to be at least mentioned when I finish my cleanup of this damned thing. TTEchidna 10:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Is the fact that both Zorua and Zoroark event-only sufficient to declare them Legendary? I'm not sure, but I believe that all pokémon available only through events are Legendary. I'm honestly not sure, however, if that is distinction enough for to be considered Legendary. Lostdrewid 07:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a bit too soon to say that it is definitely a legendary. —darklordtrom 09:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not convinced it is, though. Are they not, by definition, 幻のポケモン? They're almost even more illusory than Mew, Celebi and the like - not only are they event-only, but you need to attend said event prior to the launch of the games. I ask this honestly, but... if that isn't the very picture of a Legendary Pokémon, what is? If what they are is not sufficient to be declared Legendary, then perhaps the article will need a tighter definition. Please do not misunderstand me, I'm not simply trying to be a nag [although I apologize, I realize I must sound like I am], I'm asking specifically because it seems to be that the status of these two is sort of at the crux of the definition of what it means to be Legendary and thus relevant, one way or another, to the article.

Let me see if I can word my thoughts better. The article discusses the definition of Legendary at the introduction, before the TOC; the first section mentions common characteristics of being Legendary. What we have for these two matches the definition provided in the introduction; what we don't have for these two is a match, or lack of a match, with the common characteristics. Regardless of whether we are ultimately "right" about their Legendary status, if we say we don't have enough information to declare them Legendary, then maybe should the common characteristics [or some of them, whichever are truly defining] be considered as a part of the definition and moved to the introduction of the article?

My goal here is not simply to see that Zorua and Zoroark be placed on the article. My goal is to see the article improve. I know, I know, it's a Featured Article and thus is considered awesome by the community - because, well, it is:) - but that doesn't mean that even an awesome article has no room to grow. In my original comment, I said plainly, I don't know whether being event only is sufficient to be called Legendary... but I shouldn't not know. Does that make sense?

I'm sorry that I'm not good with words. I fear I'm going to be misunderstood here. Text only shows so little of meaning that misunderstandings are simple. I'm not trying to be critical, I'm not trying to say the article is bad. It not only isn't bad, I'll happily reiterate that it's awesome. But ultimately, if the legendary status of these two Pokémon is still in question, then the article's definition of legendary needs tightening. Lostdrewid 16:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

TTE, let me also say that in no way are the arguments I've presented mean I am impatient to see the article updated. I completely understand that you're not a machine whose sole job in life is to update this site :) If this page is not updated until long after B&W comes out, I will not be upset. My sole desire is to see the article be as good as it can be. I feel that I do not have the proper words to contribute directly, even if the article was unlocked, so this is the only way that I feel I can contribute right now. Lostdrewid 17:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to know where it's been confirmed that Zorua and Zoroark are only obtainable through the special events in BW? For all we know, Zorua and Zoroark will also be able to obtained in-game by normal means (wild encounter, NPC gift, etc.), it's just that the event ones are special for whatever reason.

Unless Spiky-eared Pichu is considered legendary now. :P 梅子 ^❀_✿ 18:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone inform me why Zoroark/Zorua isn't counted a legendary? Thanks. Marlowe 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not at the end of the dex (Victini does not count) and it evolves from another Pokemon Ataro 18:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

plagiarism?

I fear that content from this page has been copied onto this page. http://pokemonorg.wetpaint.com/page/Groups+of+Legendary+Pokemon and maybe loads of other original bulbapedia content has been hoarded. can any one look into this?mods?admins? - unsigned comment from AGGRON999 (talk • contribs)

Thanks, I'll take a look into it. —darklordtrom 11:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Even if the articles are original the images are taken directly from Bulbapedia and in fact link here when one clicks on the image.--Beligaronia (talk) 05:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the links go here too. I've spoken with the site owner and he's yet to get back to me. —darklordtrom 10:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :D

Huh?

Um, actually, Heatran is not the only legendary Pokémon with a variable gender. There's also Spiritomb. --Green Jade 20:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Spiritomb isn't legendary.--Mister E 13 20:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Well then why is Spiritomb so hard to obtain? --Green Jade 20:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Feebas isn't a legendary, but it's almost equally hard to obtain as Spiritomb... they just choose to make some Pokemon difficult to obtain, and some easy to obtain. Adds variety, you know? ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 21:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, Spiritomb are able to breed. Just sayin' Bttsstewart 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

SIX Legendaries changed names?

Uxie's name is the same in Japanese and English; the lack of Y is just localization and doesn't affect pronunciation (it's no more different - in fact, less so - than Lucario being "Rukario" in Japanese). However, the article says six legendary Pokemon changed names (the other five, of course, being Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mesprit, and Azelf.) --HeroicJay 09:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Uxie shouldn't count.--Pokélova! 09:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Except Lucario's Japanese name is Lucario, it's just spelled as Rukario in katakana. Yuxie>Uxie isn't any less of a change than Dodorio>Dodrio, Donfan>Donphan, or Chicorita>Chikorita. If anything, Houou>Ho-oh and Crecelia>Cresselia should be counted as well. --User:Goldenpelt 01:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I gotta agree there... TTEchidna 04:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree about the Lucario comparison. Uxie's Katakana name is Yukushii, not Yuxie, so it's not the same thing. But it does seem a bit silly to say that they are different names if they are pronounced the same. When they design the official romanji names they aren't thinking about the English audience, so of course it makes sense to change the spelling if they think it helps people of that audience pronounce it correctly. It's still the same name. --CrimsonChin 17:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Victini

Shouldn't this little creature be added? Id add it, but alas, I am not allowed *cries*. Or are we awaiting more information on it? --S2daam 11:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

It's been added... I just improved some things. TTEchidna 20:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Mewtwo and Mew's "Unique Battle Music"

I really don't think this point should be in the trivia section; isn't that same re-mixed Kanto music used for the birds and, in FR/LG, for the beasts as well? The music for the weather trio and the elemental Regis is more unique than that.Starscream 16:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

They're different remixes. Mewtwo's remix I think is used for Ho-Oh and Lugia in FRLG, in that event no one got anywhere. Mew's is a completely different remix. The legendary birds also have a different remix. TTEchidna 05:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Uniqueness in the games

In the trivia section it says "In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon", however that's not entirely true. There's only one you can catch, but I've seen a Zapdos and a Heatran in the Battle Hall in Platinum. --CrimsonChin 17:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Add {{-}} before every generation header. →ΑΧΧΟΝΝ _fi _re 22:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not having any issues, and I'm using a standard monitor. —darklordtrom 07:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization

A recent page on Pokémon.com mentions it as "Legendary Pokémon," not "legendary Pokémon" (with a capital L). I haven't looked yet, but do other things (games, manga, cards, sites, etc.) mention the term as such? ^tc²₆ tc₂₆ 11:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Takuto

I think it's important to include an exmaple Takuto has two legendary Pokemon under the "anime" section, and no ramifications were apparent as a result of him possessing legendary Pokemon. - unsigned comment from Datonyp1 (talk • contribs)

Split?

With Gen V being released very soon, don't you think this entry might get a bit too big? Perhaps we should split it by Generation. Although it might be somewhat of a shame though... PDL 03:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

"Deer" (and where in the world is Victini?)

I think "deer" is a poor group name for that trio, seeing as the closest animals they resemble are the gazelle, the wildebeest, and the oryx*, all bovids. "Musketeers", while not as descriptive, is a lot less inaccurate, as it groups them by their running theme, and doesn't alienate Keldeo.
On a different subject, shouldn't Victini have a paragraph in somewhere? --Kaoz 01:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

"Raijin" Trio

"Borutorosu, Torunerosu, and Randorosu are a trio of Pokémon based on Japanese Raijin, gods of thunder and lightning" Torunerosu is most likely based on Fuujin, god of wind - unsigned comment from Vienna Waltz (talk • contribs)

Instead of Raijin, which only applies to Boltros, why not Djinn Trio? They look the part.--Kaoz 19:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

There's also Cloud Trio, seeing that's what they got for a lower half. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Trios are more often named after their overall appearance rather than a common feature. Speaking of which, I did some research and the djinns seem to take visual cues from oni (Japanese ogre-demons), more notably their facial features and horns. So that'd leave us with the Djinn and Oni alternatives.--Kaoz 22:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

"More often" doesn't mean "we should consider that first." Obviously the weather trio, lunar duo, Lake Guardians, tower duo all take what they're known for and uses those names. If they aren't djinn or demons in general, why refer to them as such (considering they're based on gods and nothing Middle Eastern)? Birds are birds, beasts are beasts, and Musketeers are French (otherwise, they might have been the Righteous Quartet). Call them the Kami trio, and you're way more accurate than Djinn. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fair, but how descriptive is the word Kami? Not saying Oni was a better suggestion, in fact it suffers from the same problem of neither being widespread in use nor part of the game lore. Names like birds and beasts are simple and descriptive at the same time, because everyone knows what a bird is. Even the golem has been integrated into the general culture pool. Terms like Kami and Oni are known among the Otaku subculture, but once you step out of it, few people will look at the name and think of them. I don't know if Djinn has overcome the limits of the gaming subculture, but if that weren't the case, I'd be all for a name that did, such as ogre or genie.--Kaoz 02:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Kami itself is a broad term that encompasses "gods" with religious connotations. It's general enough that it's likely to have extended itself beyond Otakuism, and if not, one punch into Google gives the Wiki article on Kami as the first result. They're not based on genies or demons. They're based on Raijin, Fuujin, and Inari...which are Shinto gods. Kami. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

If we were to go for a specific god, wouldn't it make more sense to use Fuujin, as they're all part Flying-type? --Gοlden pelt 23:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It shouldn't be a specific god, only because they aren't all based around that god. The flying-type is because, yeah, they're gods and they fly. It's not specifically relative to Fuujin that they can. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

So now there's a page entitled Raijin trio. Is that really what we'll be calling them from now on? I thought the argument for calling them the Kami trio was the most convincing. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

This is why I liked the wiki when it was locked. We could come to a consensus on sensitive stuff like legendary trio names before someone made the articles, such as the case with the trio of Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. TTEchidna 19:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

They, btw, could be the Tao Dragons. Yin, Yang, Wu? That's Taoism. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Toa/Dao Dragons is a good idea. Yeah, I think Kami Trio (Or possibly a Nature Trio) is much better than singling out the first in the Pokedex as the name. vik0z0z 18:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

About Energy Dragon Trio

I can't edit talk page there so I make here, I found something on the name ReshiRAM, ZekROM, KyuREM (RAM-ROM-REM)Arceus Vs Dragon Trio 11:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Right...but what does 'RAM-ROM-REM' mean? Or is the "interesting" bit that all their names end it a consonent made of an R and M with a vowel in between> :-/ Bttsstewart 03:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

RAM is random-access memory, REM is rapid eye movement and ROM is read-only memory?--Pokélova! 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

"REM, a keyword for an inline comment in some computer languages", so yeah Vienna Waltz 12:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I think he's just pointing out the name similarities. --Andy^P_K^M_N 13:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Stat Averages

Would it be reasonable if someone added statistical averages like how each of the typings have? Just so we can get a good idea on what the average Legendary seems to have for stats? If anybody sees this as a good idea then how do I add it into the article? Shiramu Kuromu 21:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. Add up each stat, divide by the number of legendaries and put them in {{BaseStatNoCat}}. —darklordtrom 21:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I'll add that when I get time to sometime tommorow. Shiramu Kuromu 23:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Just posting the averages I got figured out here until I have all of them calculated (Note: Includes Alt Formes and Phione).

HP: 92.89

Attack: 86.11

Defense: 85.28

Special Attack: 124.45

Special Defense: 90.65

Speed: 99.72

So far I'm predicting high average Special based stats. Once I get everything else calculated I'll get the averages posted on the article, though while you posted the template for it I have absolutely no clue how to set it up. x-x Edit: Looks like I'm right about the Special part. Shiramu Kuromu 19:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind about how to use them, used the Dragon Type page as a reference for these. Is it working correctly? Do I need to round them to whole numbers (The fully evolved averages for types displayed them like this though)?

Statistical averages*

Stat

HP:	92.89

Attack:	86.11

Defense:	85.28

Sp.Atk:	124.45

Sp.Def:	90.65

Speed:	99.72

Shiramu Kuromu 20:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking good. Feel free to incorporate that into the page when you're ready. —darklordtrom 21:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you get the bars to align to the right so that they are affecting in length by the numbers to the left of them? felinoel 00:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't know how to set it up like that. Though I do have to redo the totals since Phione is know confirmed not to be a legendary, so I'll figure out how to do that when I get he chance. Shiramu Kuromu 17:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I see, maybe you could move the bars all the way to the right? felinoel 20:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article

The article "Legendary Pokémon" has been a featured article for a while now. Doesn't anyone think it should give another article a chance? Pokedex493 18:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, there are plenty other articles out there? felinoel 19:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Does anybody else agree? Pokedex493 19:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to nominated one. There is no limit to how many featured articles Bulbapedia can have. As long as this one is still high quality, it will stay featured and we will add more to the list. (Which reminds me, I need to close the current nominations.) —darklordtrom 09:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Mythical Pokémon

With the commercials for Victini airing now, as well as the Celebi Distribution's page on the HeartGold and SoulSilver website, would it be a good guess to assume that TPCi considers Mythical Pokémon to be the translated term of "Illusory Pokémon"?--Purimpopoie 00:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Apparently, Mythical Pokémon is now used to refer to any legendary. See here. I think a page moving might be in order. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 21:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense since in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be legendary so they gotta rename legendaries... xD felinoel 22:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Remember the Japanese games do actually use several different terms for 'legendary Pokémon'. It looks like the English translations are finally going to recognise that and do the same. Werdnae (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree on the move. If this is going to be standard, then we should change to reflect this. --Jonouchi 23:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

At most I think there should be a redirect that leads here... >.> felinoel 23:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Should be split. Reshizek are still legendary. The legendary Pokémon template should be divided, so it's one template, but maybe it should look like this:

     |Legendary: Reshiram - Zekrom
Unova|
     |Mythical: Victini - Other Stuff

TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 00:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I... guess? Just as long as Victini and the others are not even once called legendary officially... felinoel 03:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe Mythical Pokémon is now the official translation for 幻のポケモン, as Celebi, Victini, Arceus and many others are all official called 幻のポケモン by the official Japanese website, and Reshiram and Zekrom and many others are called 伝説のポケモン. Now Mythical Pokémon and Legendary Pokémon is different.--Swampert 13:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Well... seeing as how Bulbapedia is for fluff and unconfirmed info, I guess we might as well do this? By for I mean when told that something is fluff and unconfirmed people get called an idiot for not believing it to be true regardless of there being no proof of it whatsoever. felinoel 22:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Victini was called a Mythical Pokémon, while Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Reshiram and Zekrom are still being called Legendary Pokémon. Probably, they finally split the classification, like in Japanese: Legendary Pokémon (伝説のポケモン densetsu no Pokémon) and Mythical Pokémon (幻のポケモン maboroshi no Pokémon). - Taylor 23:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel at this point in time it is time to restate what Dratini was called, 伝説のポケモン, Legendary Pokémon. felinoel 23:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I for one vote that event Pokémon should be moved to Mythical Pokémon due to TCPi using a new term for the Pokémon that is given out by event.Anyone agree on this ? LucarioWolf 23:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems that's it. Event Legendaries were called maboroshi in Japanese and now they got their own classification in English... because Celebi and Arceus are being called Mythical, too. - Taylor 23:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah so then are we moving Dratini to Legendary Pokemon status? Since that is what it is called? felinoel 00:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Once, in the anime, ages ago. I'm talking about the recent, official use. - Taylor 00:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

More like twice if you count Dragonite, but when it was called that does not change the fact it was called that. Also, how is the anime unofficial? felinoel 01:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Was the Dratini line ever actually called "legendary" or such using the Japanese terms? Frugali 01:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)