Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between Raichu and Honouguma, Cyndaquil? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - Ferret 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - Ferret

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto. Firemaker

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on Fake Pokémon. - Pokencyclopedia

Validity issues

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - Ferret 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - 振霖_T 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --Argy 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Commentary issues

Unnamed mammal

The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth

Really? I definately see some Wigglytuff in there! FabuVinny 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)

This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of Snubbull. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --Pie ^~♪♫ 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurusu

This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet

File:Alpha kurusu.png

--FabuVinny 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed turtle

A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.

Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --FabuVinny 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

What website are those pictures from?--Ambipom--

Other names and additional info

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out? --Jurgen200--

Check out this list...

152 Chikorita Chicolita
153 Bayleef Beifiru
154 Meganium Meganiumi
155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
156 Quilava Magumarashi
157 Typhlosion Bakufun
158 Totodile Waninoko
159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
160 Feraligatr Odairu
161 Sentret Otachi
162 Furret Ootachi
163 Hoothoot Hoho
164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
165 Ledyba Rediba
166 Ledian Redeian
167 Spinarak Itomaru
168 Araidos Araidosu
169 Kurobat Kuroba
170 Chinchou Chonchi
171 Lanturn Rantan
172 Pichu Pichu
173 Cleffa Pi
174 Igglybuff Pupurin
175 Togepi Togepi
176 Togetic Togechikku
177 Natee Neitei
178 Natotem Neiteio
179 Mareep Meripu
180 Skiploom Mokoko
181 Centerity Denryu
182 Bellossom Kireihana
183 Marill Mariru
184 Azumarill Mariruri
185 Sudowoodo Usokki
186 Politoed Myorotono
187 Hoppip Hane
188 Flaffy Popo
189 Jumpluff Watakko
190 Aipom Eipamu
191 Sunkern Himanattsu
192 Sunflora Kimawari
193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
194 Ampharos Upa
195 Quagsire Nuoh
196 Espeon Efui
197 Umbreon Burakki
198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
199 Slowking Yadoking
200 Trillix Muuma
201 ????? Annon
202 Crashin Sonansu
203 Girafarig Kirinriki
204 Skarmory Kunugidama
205 Forretress Fuoretosu
206 Duglari Nokocchi
207 Gligar Guraiga
208 Steelix Haganeru
209 Snubbull Buru
210 Granbull Guranburu
211 Wobbuffet Harisen
212 Scizor Hassamu
213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
214 Heracross Herakuroso
215 Misdreavus Nyuura
216 Moonlite Himeguma
217 Soloar Ringuma
218 Slugma Magumaggu
219 Magcargo Magukarugo
220 Swinub Urimu
221 Sirnub Inomu
222 Corsola Sanigo
223 Remoraid Teppouo
224 Octillery Okutan
225 Delibird Deribado
226 Mantine Maintain
227 Wooper Eamudo
228 Houndour Derubiru
229 Houndoom Heruga
230 Kingdra Kingudora
231 Phanpy Gomazou
232 Donphan Donfuyan
233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
234 Stantler Odoshishi
235 Artibull Doburu
236 Hitmontot Baruki
237 Hitmontop Kapoera
238 Smoochum Muchura
239 Elekid Erekid
240 Magby Bubii
241 Miltank Mirutanku
242 Blissey Hapinasu
243 Raikou Raikou
244 Entei Entei
245 Suicune Suikun
246 Larvitar Yogirasu
247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
249 Lugia Lugia
250 Ho-Oh Houou
251 Selebi Serebeii

Source --Ambipom--

Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --T T Echidna 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. Zdododododo 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT] http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in] http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex] http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list] http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"] http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn] http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado] http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion] http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign] http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw] http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2 http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol] http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) Jurgen200

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett. Firemaker

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- unsigned comment from Nobody777 (talk • contribs)

Crashin (Sonansu) is Wobbuffet, Trillix (Muuma) is Misdreavus, and ????? (Annon) is Unown. (Yaminokame 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

Is honouguma somehow related to the Pikachu and Marill, much like the three birds?

File:Alpha honouguma.png
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - Yukushi wisdom 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Yeah, I see one. TTE chidna 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Unown

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --Maxim 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be addedVuvuzela2010 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --Andy^P_K^M_N 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unownsVuvuzela2010 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

"2v2" Template?

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? Theininen 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been taken care of. --ニョロトノ 666 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Theininen 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

octorok comment

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zeldaWhatswithalltheextraspace 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)Zdododododo 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Page Title

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--Kuki Talk 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? Lucentas 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. Glinn Mgraw 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu..

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? Lovely Rose 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Charizard..

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. Lovely Rose 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --Maxim 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

unnamed turtle

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for Squirtle? Turt wig A (talk | contribs) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Starters?

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? Taromon 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone remember this?

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--Midnight Blue 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--Nobody777 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Torchic and blaziken beta art

From did that art come from???--Nobody777 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --Maxim 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--Nobody777 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about- I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it. ThePoketrix 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. ~ sol ar is 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --Maxim 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Who is that?

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? Flyingtypefan 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--Pokélova! 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone else think so? Flyingtypefan 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --Maxim 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--Pokélova! 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It's at a:File:Latias_Latios.png. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --Andy^P_K^M_N 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--Pokélova! 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Should she be referenced to then? - unsigned comment from Lovely Rose (talk • contribs)

Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle?

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. FrozenStrategy 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think. http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

Vuvuzela2010 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: here. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - MK (^t/_c) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. TTEchidna 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - MK (^t/_c) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?Vuvuzela2010 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

"Resembles"

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? Slowpokeisgod 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --Andy^P_K^M_N 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.Vuvuzela2010 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. Slowpokeisgod 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--Ash0011 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

EP072 thing

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --Maxim 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--immewnitythe mew 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.Vuvuzela2010 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--Ash0011 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, Really?

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --Landfish7 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Turtle

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--Ash0011 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC) Hellooo anyone care to comment?--Ash0011 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Arachnoid

In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [1] Kodde 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

That's team rocket's robot--Ash0011 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. Kodde 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.XVuvuzela2010X 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --Maxim 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. XVuvuzela2010X 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.PDL 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

But we don't know if it is not a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). XVuvuzela2010X 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --Maxim 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--Ash0011 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for Unreleased Pokemon, and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... XVuvuzela2010X 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

okay then that makes sense--Ash0011 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon As they are ment to appear in the games. Anime only stuff hardly counts. PDL 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

While I disagree with your Anime only stuff hardly counts comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name List of disputed Pokemon or something along those lines, as there is already a list for non-Pokemon. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? XVuvuzela2010X 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Then I wonder why Zapmolcuno isn't here. --Maxim 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for Venustoise, the unreleased Unown forms seen in M03, the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in M03, the wooden Celebi seen in M04, and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of M05. XVuvuzela2010X 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. PDL 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)