Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

Ratio

> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? this S**T will turn your mama white 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela this S**T will turn your mama white 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- unsigned comment from Blackjack Gabbiani (talk • contribs)

Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --AtoMan 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? Therequiembellishere 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --Zeta 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. Tom Temprotran 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the Kecleon seen in EP205 is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- Kenji-girl

If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - 振霖_T 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. Urutapu 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via Color Change. This is too similar to discussing the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle --Johans 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own ID_trainer, which can be seen, and secret ID_secret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret). Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it here. E is the amount of ID xor ID2 (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is (the first 16 digits) xor (the second 16 digits). Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny. But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and: - if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0 - if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)

the result is 0.

Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits. Both ID_trainer and ID_secret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well. Now, when we did ID_trainer xor ID_secret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny. The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

Breeding chance in Gen IV

Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. Razor 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --Porygon 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --TTEchidna 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny user: adambesthythe

Shiny Pokemon

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? Tesh 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.Tesh 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I put the same question at the bottom, and no reply. Does seem a good idea. I might just add it in if my self if thats okay, ecause we're probabky the only two that will do it. If anyone has any objections, please tell us or any admins give us all clear. Mabye i should re-route this a project leader?

Don't use the below thing that I wrote, use this. Luxraychu 02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Include 4th Gen formulas?

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway? --Reuvens 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- Umbee 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- Reuvens 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but 8 in 65536, or 8/(65536-8) (or 1/8191). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%. Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2^-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2^-13. I'm correcting this both here and on Personality value --En-Cu-Kou 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Well if the chance of something is 1 in 10 it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). You are saying that 1 in 10 is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So you are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%). If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1). If each was 50% like you were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5). And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --Sivart345 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Nobody agrees with me? Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I did write 2^-10 instead of 2^-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). Sivart345 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --En-Cu-Kou 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. Sivart345 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the percentage. Before the article claimed a .00012207% chance (approximately) of finding a shiny Pokemon. However, .0012207 is equal to 8/65536. To find the percentage, you have to first multiply by 100, giving approximately .012207% chance. Paranoid Trainer 17:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Shiny Egg?

If a shiny pokemon has an egg, will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? Ryguy

In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It was the legendary Red Snorlax

Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in Training Daze was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was Viper, the Drill Sergeant of the Team Rocket Academy in disguise.

Mystery Dungeon Shinies

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? TinaTheKirlia ♥ 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --Ricco 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Fossils

Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? Shiny^?! 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. TTEchidna 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny ditto

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--kittenchild and her discovery 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. Tina^☆♥♫δ 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? Cerberus

No. That's only in II, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p Tina ^δ♫ 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. TESHTALKFUN 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. Cerberus 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Starly clock

Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in DP001 a shiny starly??? --Theryguy512 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光る ヨルノズク? Shiny^?! 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. TTEchidna 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The Prima guides

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as Effort values, Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions shiny Pokémon and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the Poké Radar. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by PokemonCenter. However, how much of the content is "official"? --Johans 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Question for G/S/C

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny in Gold and Silver? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! Tina ^δ♫ 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. TESHIGIGAS 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

question

i have a question in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later? i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72

Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shinyDCM

Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. TTEchidna 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Foreign Aid

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--PikamasterADV 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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I luv Mathmatics

Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? Hfc2x 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. Tina ^δ♫ 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? Hfc2x 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the nature. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. TTEchidnaFire echy 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Shiny

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? Zapdos 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. Tina ^δ♫ 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. TTEchidnaFire echy 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, shinies in Generation II aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --JDigital 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Colouration

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English (GT4GTR 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))

yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- MAGNEDETH 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Weedle

wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? User:ShinyMedicham

Red number colour in Gen IV?

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?GJ 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.GJ 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Breeding chance in Gen II

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? Stewy5714 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--Starlight the ampharos 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Shiny legendary pokémon?

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD hfc2X 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.Bttsstewart 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

:( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)~Poke~

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( Bttsstewart 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

this guide (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?

It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. Gliscorguy54 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which PIDs "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered lots of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. -- 8o8 Dark 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Kecleon

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --Someone Else 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. TTEchidna 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Orange Islands

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆Woodland:M ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not really.--☆CoolPikachu! 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--KukiTalk 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆Woodland:M ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. hfc2X 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --☆ケンジガール 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Reliability of sprites?

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. Gabbie 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. hfc2X 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- Umbee 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... Me, Hurray! 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Sprites missing

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for Goldeen or Torchic!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? Gligar 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Stadium

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? Heart of Thorns 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ho-Oh Error

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. Marlowe 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) (GT4GTR 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

Shiny Issue

There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--Mence Master 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC) EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.

For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:

like so.

The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

Toxicroak Debate

There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior. And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration. [1] If you look closely, it is blue.

Actually, that really looks like the filter. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--Shiningpikablu252 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? Θρtιmαtum_Talk 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. Jmath 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--Mence Master 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially rosy compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --ケンジのガール 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Alternate coloration or shiny

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about DIFFERENTLY COLORED Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

"Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. PDL 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

"Shiny" is also an official term :

http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html Froggy25 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

See here.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Metagross or Noctowl

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--Clarky13 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. The Dark Fiddler - Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2? 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --Theryguy512 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can see the shiny Noctowl's and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. ►Ҝəυzø8 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

We do need a better pic.... J-J-M 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Shiny egg sent to a different game

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? Jmvb 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the OT's Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Jigglypuff???

Aren't Little Pink and the Jigglypuff from AG138 shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.

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  Little Pink

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  The Jigglypuff from AG138

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  A shiny Jigglypuff

--Theryguy512 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It isn't really a unique thing...--RexRacer 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

But still, they're not the normal coloration like a regular Jigglypuff. --Theryguy512 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

That Table....

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--FF(edits•talk) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Do it. Roundycorners as well. — THE TROM — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

done. Images need to be added.--FF(edits•talk) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Ditto

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

Generation II and onward, yes. Frozen Fennec

Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black. Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? Yami 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --ケンジのガール 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. Yami 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. TTEchidna 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. Yami 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --ケンジのガール 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. Yami 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'll do it. --ケンジのガール 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - unsigned comment from Pokémon Lover King Mario (talk • contribs)

Mesuda Method

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - unsigned comment from Link3710 (talk • contribs)

We actually have an article about that. I should know, I wrote most of it! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — THE TROM — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Colosseum and XD

Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- D558 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. Vuvuzela2010 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC) --Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

XD Shadow Pokemon can not be shiny, as OmegaDonut and I have found out. [2] --Kaphotics 20:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay then, only Colo ones can (which was known beforehand; there is a glitch relating to them). Thanks. --SnorlaxMonster 08:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

To top it off, I am able to explain why the Colo glitch happens. I'll edit that page later tonight with the correct explanation.--Kaphotics 20:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Kaphotics, how did you and OmegaDonut figure that out.PkmnChmp5 21:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

We used emulators and our knowledge of the RNG's of the other Generations. With a lot of time, we were able to find the numbers that were used out of the stream of seeds the game goes through. XD was very fast at seed consumption (9600 seeds per second!) so the pattern was hard to find at first. I've updated the page with the correct information on why the glitch occurs, and substantiated between games. If you read more of the other posts in the thread over at Smogon you'll see how we did it :) --Kaphotics 00:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand now. I'm glad I found this out before I played through XD again to get a Shiny Lugia. PkmnChmp5 00:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The term "shiny" confirmed as official?

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about Masuda method. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --Shiningpikablu252 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --Johans 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The Title Dispute

I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as Pink Butterfree. ^ht14 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Anime

I think we ought to have a List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime, in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth? Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D _ShinyPika 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't we already have one? --CuboneKing 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need more Information about these Pokémon. Hell, I don't know what the Metegross from Noodle's: Roaming off! has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. _ShinyPika 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Shiny

I have saw a shiny Sharpedo on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny Bidoof,(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.The Aura Wolf !!!! 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. _ShinyPika 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? Turtwig A Contributions Talk 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? _ShinyPika 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

First gen.

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. Lovely Rose 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes and yes. TTEchidna 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Colored vs Shiny

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. Yamikuronue 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... ^ht14 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's have a new vote. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's here. ^ht14 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

So split it into 2 pages? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. ^ht14 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... ^ht14 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. Yamikuronue 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Shiny vs. shiny

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. TTEchidna 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. ^ht14 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait for another source. CuboneKing 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. ^ht14 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. CuboneKing 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--immewnitythemew 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

I do not understand: The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner. ^ht14 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. Swampert Man_{Swampert is Awesome!} 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. Werdnae (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. ^ht14 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. Werdnae (talk) 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Shiny Stats

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? FrozenStrategy 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. Werdnae (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [3], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [4], Mantine is dark green [5], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [6], Staryu is green/brown [7], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? - unsigned comment from Vuvuzela2010 (talk • contribs)

I think that's a great idea, actually. Why doesn't someone get on this? Battlebot218 18:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

We're currently in the process of uploading all the regular and shiny boxsprites and menusprites for both Colosseum and XD, so it can be revisited once they are all uploaded. XVuvuzela2010X 19:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?

Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —darklordtrom 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Nominated for FAC!!!

Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate  ! What do u think? ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|<span style="color:#CD5C5C">Mesprit</span>]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|<span style="color:#FFD700">Uxie</span>]], [[User:Mesuxelf|<span style="color:#0000FF">Azelf</span>]]. Mesuxelf 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link) box in your preferences ;) Werdnae (talk) 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

FAC talk request

Random   Shiny Pokémon:
#392 Infernape

In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --SnorlaxMonster 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hidden power

I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? S and T 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Manga?

I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--EpicShadow 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --SnorlaxMonster 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? Mr.Char 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Mismagius

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? Mr.Char 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

What does this mean?

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

Statistical probability

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not GF's one) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny stabilizes to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀ЫъГѣ ∃Talk page 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Trivia

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? Mr.Char 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Gen V Pokedex note

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: "In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny." This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, by default, the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:

1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!

I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note. Pdrydia 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Generation III and V

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of legit Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have*) Marked +-+-+ 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —darklordtrom 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is not native for Unova (it's evolution is), so we need other example. Marked +-+-+ 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . Luxraychu 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OR goto Relic Castle and encounter a Sandslash... It would be... CLOSE ENOUGH. (hope you get the reference ^-^) DB 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Shiny physiology section?

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?Luxraychu 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Unobtainable Shinies

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. PkmnChmp5 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. Luxraychu 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• • I can put asterisks on Pokemon that are not obtainable, and make a legend. Are the unobtainables the following: Celebi, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom? Also Pichu (Spiky Eared).

Unknown for Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 04:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I can take care of it, I have an idea of how I want it to make it easy to understand. I'll get it up sometime this week. PkmnChmp5 05:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Those last three aren't even available at all yet, so no they cannot be obtained Shiny yet, but they cannot be obtained non-Shiny either. It is impossible to tell if they will be made available Shiny yet. --SnorlaxMonster 05:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, I added the section and I think I got them all. If I didn't then someone can fix it. If you do fix it, tell me about it here because I would like to know which one I forgot because I wouldn't want to be going after it with no chance of getting it.PkmnChmp5 21:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

In Japan, if you got the Old Sea Chart in Emerald you could get a Shiny Mew that way. And you could get a Shiny Celebi off of the Japanese Colosseum Bonus Disk. You could then transfer them through Pal Park and trade them to an english game, so someone help me decide if Mew and Celebi should be listed under Gen IV and V and what the * should say if we do list them. PkmnChmp5 16:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

To answer SnorlaxMonster, yes, I specifically put unknown for those 3 because they aren't available yet. Who knows if they are given in their Shiny Forms.

Anyways, Jirachi and Celebi, to my knowledge, are available via Colosseum. They don't have the Shiny Check. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the Mew from My Pokémon Ranch has a shiny check? PkmnChmp5 22:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I looked at said article,and no. Its a trade from Haley. Therefore, no. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 22:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

To PKMNchmp5 - If Celebi is listed under Gen IV/V Mew should be also as it's in the same boat as Celebi (only available from a third gen Japanese game). Though if it's true what someone said about Hayley mew being able to be shiny then that changes things. What would be really good to have here is an explanation of what event pokemon can/can't be shiny and why, as there's a lot of confusion on the internet about this. For example it should include answers to questions like: Can Colosseum bonus disk pokemon be shiny? What tickets have been released in what regions? Can ranch pokemon be shiny? Can 2nd/3rd/4th gen distributions be shiny?

Anyone agree? Jmvb 01:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you can get a Shiny Mew and Celebi in Generation III, even if it's only in a Japanese game, you can trade it to a non-Japanese game in all games from Gen III onwards, so those don't need a note. I don't think Haley's Pokémon can be Shiny, and Shininess is visible in Ranch. For all Pokémon event distributions from Generation III onwards, a Pokémon is either always Shiny or never Shiny - it cannot randomly be either. In Generation II, where Shininess is based on IVs, I have heard that people found that each machine had a different set of IVs, meaning that they are preset. While it would be possible for a machine to distribute a Pokémon that is Shiny, I assume that they would ensure the machines do not distribute Shiny Pokémon. However, while Generation I used the same distribution method with each machine having set IVs, Shininess did not exist so it is possible that they could have unknowingly distributed future Shiny Pokémon. If anyone did get a Gen I event that turned out Shiny, please let us know. --SnorlaxMonster 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Is shiny Mew unobtainable in Gen II?

Couldn't you get a legit Mew from a Gen I event that just so happened to pass the shiny checks and so appears shiny when transferred to a Gen II game? I doubt they would have had shiny checks on the Mews given out back then seeing as shiny pokemon didn't exist yet. I know that chances of this happening are extremely low but I don't think it zero. I'm not sure how many Mews in Gen I were given away but surely this happened at least once somewhere around the world. Probably by some kid who never realised he owned the rarest pokemon of that generation Jmvb 00:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the Time Machine worked more like a trade. Besides, shininess is determined when a Pokémon is generated and a Pokémon transfered through Pal Park or the Poké Transfer don't change their shiny status so I don't think that Mew could change from normal to Shiny. PkmnChmp5 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

In Generation II, Shininess is determined by IVs, so it is theoretically possible to obtain a Mew with the correct IVs randomly, and then trade it to Generation II only for it to be Shiny on its end. --SnorlaxMonster 10:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Shiny Sentret Chance

I'm beginning to wonder if Sentret has an increased chance of being shiny in the wild. The only shiny pokemon I ever encountered in the wild (except red Gyarados) was Sentret. In Diamond I encountered it once and in Soulsilver I encountered it twice. It might just be a coincidence. ZMT123 23:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Definately just a coincidence. The only way to increase the chances of a shiny appearing is the Masuda Method and the Poké Radar. Under normal circumstances they are all 1/8192. PkmnChmp5 23:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks ZMT123 23:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Emerald status screen - no star

Just caught my first wild shiny, a nincada. Not the best but hey?! :) when checking its shiny status it had a gold number but no star. Also the picture background was white as opposed to the normal stripy grey. Am i being really idiotic or should the article be updated? Rhadlow27 01:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Just checked this. Shiny Pokémon in Emerald do not have a star. And yes, the background is a brighter color. I will modify the article to say these things. --SnorlaxMonster 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Shiny event-only Pokémon

I added this new section to inform people of how to catch the event-only Pokémon shiny, in a legit way. If anyone can improve it go ahead. PkmnChmp5 18:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

In XD

Now, the game recalculates to make sure Shadow Pokémon aren't shiny, but what about at the Poké Spots? TTEchidna 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

According to this, no Pokémon caught in XD can be Shiny. --SnorlaxMonster 14:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

OmegaDonut states further down the page in response to my asking that they haven't tested Poké Spots yet, and have no intention of doing so unless they were "really, really bored". So we may have to wait a while for an answer on that one. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 00:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

There's unposted research regarding this, the PID is generated when the Spot Monitor goes off. It generates the PID entirely at this moment, but neither of us cared enough to research it further (We were only interested in the "unique" PID/IV creation). Since SmogonWiFi banned "RAM Hacked" Pokemon, all interest in XD/Colo abuse vanished. Thus the GC games are no longer of interest to us, "the mythbusters" Kaphotics 05:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

k I got around to doing it, check the RNG Research thread [8] (spoiler: starters and pokespot mons can be shiny)Kaphotics 09:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

On a related note, Pokemon used on Battle Discs can appear shiny, much like in PBR. Imagine my ire when I had a shiny Latias with no way to keep it... JacobCrystal 16:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the game generates a trainer ID and PID for em. Never able to catch them so no shiny check is involved :( Kaphotics 16:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Ranch Mew

The My Pokémon Ranch page says this: "All of these Pokémon will have the OT Hayley (English) or ユカリ (Japanese) and the Trainer ID number 01000. Note that all of the Pokémon with specific natures cannot have a different nature, gender, and ability and they cannot be shiny." But this page says Ranch Mew can be shiny, which is correct?Jmvb 20:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The Mew doesn't have a specific nature, neither does the Phione. So there's no contradictory information. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 21:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

ah ok I misread. It seems odd that there isn't a shiny check on the Mew and Phione, has this been confirmed? - unsigned comment from Jmvb (talk • contribs)

The line you quoted says that "specific nature" Pokemon cannot be shiny, which is true. A specific nature Pokemon has a static PID, which is pre-defined by the game's coding. The nature locked Pokemon cannot be shiny, and are in a sense like the nature locked Wondercards of Gen 4. - unsigned comment from Kaphotics (talk • contribs)

I understand now that the line was referring to the nature locked pokémon, and that Mew isn't a nature locked pokémon. However this doesn't mean that there isn't some other form of shiny check on the Mew (similar to the wonder card shiny check). What I'm asking is has it been confirmed that is no shiny check on the Mew and Phione? It seems odd that there wouldn't be Jmvb 15:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Nope. The table is wrong, they can't be shiny. Don't know where the proof is that they can't, but knowing Nintendo (as previously explained by SnorlaxMonster in another comment thread) they probably were programmed anti-shiny.Kaphotics 05:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Arceus

Does Arceus even have any Shiny sprite or just its forms depending on the plate? No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 03:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yup. Shiny Arceus has a yellow body. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 03:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Mantine

Why does the page say that a Shiny Mantine cannot be obtained in Generation II? Is there something weird about its IVs I don't know about? I couldn't find anything on its page. Schreiber 01:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know.....the person who added it gave no reason. So I've removed it. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 01:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Percents

I know about those chances and such there is to encounter a shiny pokemon. But it really annoys me that the page lacks percentage. Im using the masuda method to get a shiny Oshawott. The chances to hatch a shiny is 1/1366, i know that. I dont know but it does mean theres a hich chance to meet a shiny pokemon in those 1366. I have hatched like 300 eggs now (i stopped counting after 290), how high are my chances to hatch a shiny about now? I want to know for how long i will have to do this to get a 50% chance or more. Arceusrules 16:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

The chance is reset every single time. Think of it like this: flipping a heads in a normal coin is 50%; you can't increase your chances simply by doing it 20 times. The rate of flipping a heads is still 50%. ^ht14 23:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah i know but i read a bulbanews article that was about math. We wrote something about the chances. the chance for meeting a shiny wild is about 1/86xx or something. I 86xx are met and defeated there was aproxximately a 60% chance any of them was shiny. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Crunching_the_numbers But with the masuda method, if i have hatched 300, how big was the chanches any of them was shiny? I suggest percents like those in crunching the numbers should be here. It really bugs me to dont know how big my chances are.- unsigned comment from Arceusrules (talk • contribs)

Do 1-[(1365/1366)^X]=a big long decimal. Plug in the number of eggs you have hatched for X, and the percent of one of them being shiny will be the decimal times 100.

EXAMPLE: If you hatched 300 eggs then, 1-[(1365/1366)^300]=0.19724... So you have about a 19.7% chance of hatching a shiny after 300 tries. PkmnChmp5 22:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Therefore, you would need to do it 947 times to have a chance greater than 50% of getting a Shiny. --SnorlaxMonster 12:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! i found a site to calculate this easier! every confused trainer out there, use this! :http://www.myalgebra.com/ Arceusrules 14:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Wait.

You say you can't get shiny Celebi outside of events Gen III onwards? So Colosseum Disc can't give shiny? Marked +-+-+ 20:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it can. --SnorlaxMonster 05:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

We've been saying it can't be shiny for over half a year now; we debugged the generation routine -- it does not allow for shinies. Kaphotics 07:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

And yet WISHMKR Jirachi (from the US Bonus Disk) can? I'm a bit skeptical. I've definitely seen many believable claims of shiny WISHMKR Jirachi, though, but no such claims for Bonus Disk Celebi. Blueapple128 23:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I've actually proven that WISHMKR Jirachi can be shiny by figuring out how they generate -- it's an offset in the save file that seeds a PRNG for event generation. There's no shiny check involved due to the GBA games not being pre-programmed with one. The Ageto Celebi is handled differently -- it isn't generated on the GBA like WISHMKR but is instead generated via the GameCube, which has a completely different PIDIV routine in addition to an antishiny routine built in to prevent any event shiny. Feel free to read these resources [9] [10] Kaphotics 05:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

So I COULD reset until I get a shiny Jirachi? PkmnChmp5 19:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

So long as you delete the old save file or re-save. Reloading the same save file doesn't work. Then again, I've already gone and gotten all the possible shiny WISHMKR Jirachi and put them up on Pokécheck. Kaphotics 15:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

@Kaphotics: Thank you very much, that was exactly what I was looking for. I had no idea that Jirachi was generated on the GBA game but Celebi was generated on the Gamecube. Blueapple128 02:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

CHANNEL Jirachi

Might as well mention on this talk page that CHANNEL Jirachi's generation routine prevents shinies. So that makes the only proven shiny Jirachis from WISHMKR. Routine psuedocode & Smogon RNG Research Post; massive props to Slashmolder who did the vast majority of the work.

I believe other GBA event PID type Jirachis (negaiboshi? etc) that have GBA-(Un)Restricted or whatever could have been shiny possible because the GBA doesn't have shiny prevention; however they were probably just weeded on the distribution carts just like MYSTRY Mew (we have a save file of a MYSTRY distro cart). Enough on that tangent :) Kaphotics (talk) 08:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Shiny Coloration

We should have a list, like we do on the Ndex page, that shows all the shiny Pokemon so people can see what they look like.Jdrawer (talk) 18:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The NDex page uses menu sprites. Shiny Pokémon use the same menu sprites as non-Shiny Pokémon, meaning we would need to use full-size sprites. Putting that many full size sprites on the page is just rediculous. --SnorlaxMonster 08:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem

I heard that Kyurem cannot be shiny in the initial battle with it as Black or White Kyurem. I realize that the source (YouTube) may not be a reliable one, so can anyone try to confirm this in any way possible? Thanks! KyuremsIceBlade (Talk) (Contribs) 22:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

G/S/C vs Pokemon Stadium 2 differences

So, I noticed that there are frequently (but not always) differences between pokemon shinyness in gold/silver/crystal compared to stadium 2. For example, my Shiny Eeevee is blue in both, but when it evolves into Umbreon, it's stripes turn blue in Crystal, but flash between Red and Green in Stadium.

Is there a list somewhere of all gameboy to stadium shiny differences, and if not, may I add it to the page should I ever come across such a list? It seems like it would be a good thing to know, since some players might be breeding a "shiny team" for Stadium, only to find that the color is dramatically different then they thought it was.

CrystalHalfBreed (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Ultimately it is our goal to get all the Stadium models and Shiny Stadium models and include them in the sprite box on Pokémon's pages. Unfortunatley, we don't have them all at the moment so this isn't the case. As for a list of differences, many Pokémon change between sprites (particularly what changes when they are Shiny), and we don't note those because people can just look at the images; while this doesn't currently apply to Stadium/GBC sprites, I don't see it as necessary. --SnorlaxMonster 08:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Hm... Can you give me an example of a pokemon page that does have the stadium sprites, so I can see what you mean and maybe try to add to the number of pages with them? CrystalHalfBreed (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. We have all the regular Stadium models (example), but we don't have the Shiny ones. In the future, we hope to add them to the Sprites section on Pokémon pages, but at the moment we can't because we don't have the Shiny models. --SnorlaxMonster 02:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Chaining

I once had a shiny Vileplume and Crobat before my Gameboy (and game) got stolen. I've been trying to get a shiny Zubat or Oddish since and was trying to chain. I follow the rules, but sometimes there are 2 grass areas that fit the criteria and I always seem to pick the wrong one (I can't get above a chain of 16). Is there any way to tell which patch will be more likely to have the same pokémon I'm chaining. Also, is it possible to find a shiny patch before the 40+ chain is achieved?--William slattery (talk) 08:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Hatching shiny Pokémon in Black 2 and White 2

It seems that in the Black 2 and White 2 games the IV data for an egg is formed when you got the last egg. However, the personality value is determined when you get the egg from the day-care man. I used save/load to change the gender of my pokémon with great IVs but wrong abilities a lot of times and the IVs wouldn't change. Does this mean that if I can use save/load to get shiny pokémon with high IVs?