Talk:Aura
Okay... so, someone who's read Special, is Yellow's ability Aura-like? And if so, should she, Rui, Ash, and any others with the aura ability be plopped into one category? TTEchidna 17:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Yellow's powers could just as easily be Psychic abilities. Considering that when it was written, that was the only special powers humans could have in Pokemon, that's probably what they were intended to be viewed as. --Zeta 18:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm... Well, what of Rui in Colosseum? Aura may not have officially debuted until late Gen III, but ehh... And wasn't Yellow in the FRLG arc of Special, too? TTEchidna 18:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- I say we just handle it the way Bulbapedia handles everything: Don't add it unless we know - Cassius335 19:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, we do know, since in Colo/XD they're all like "I CAN SEE ITS AURA" and "AURA READER" and stuff, plus, Colo/XD's Shadow Pokémon are mentioned here. TTEchidna 18:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- That's fair enough for Rui. Was Yellow's ability ever reffered to as Aura, though? - Cassius335 11:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Didn't Sabrina imply that Aura and Psychic abilities are the same thing, though? I mean, she did mention something along the lines of Psychic powers making up all forms of life, and yet only a select few lifeforms are aware that they have it in the first gen and definitely their remakes (which was what Aura was described as in a nutshell.) Weedle Mchairybug 13:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe. You can be telekenetic without looking like a refugee from Dragonball, though. - Cassius335 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I added in the Sabrina reference to the article if that's ok. I also wanted to ask something. Cassius, exactly what did you mean by "You can be a telekinetic without looking like a refugee from dragonball"? I mean, I know the Dragonball. It just didn't make any sense as to what you said, that's all. Weedle Mchairybug 13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe. You can be telekenetic without looking like a refugee from Dragonball, though. - Cassius335 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Didn't Sabrina imply that Aura and Psychic abilities are the same thing, though? I mean, she did mention something along the lines of Psychic powers making up all forms of life, and yet only a select few lifeforms are aware that they have it in the first gen and definitely their remakes (which was what Aura was described as in a nutshell.) Weedle Mchairybug 13:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's fair enough for Rui. Was Yellow's ability ever reffered to as Aura, though? - Cassius335 11:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, we do know, since in Colo/XD they're all like "I CAN SEE ITS AURA" and "AURA READER" and stuff, plus, Colo/XD's Shadow Pokémon are mentioned here. TTEchidna 18:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- I say we just handle it the way Bulbapedia handles everything: Don't add it unless we know - Cassius335 19:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Qi
More likely a reference to Chi than Star Wars. Someone shift the emphasis, please. --Raijinili 03:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you come up with a good enough case for qi, I'll put it on the page.Otherwise, the star wars is rightDCM
- Considering the way Dragon Ball Z represented qi (or ki as it's called there) and how it can be used as a visible projectile and literally makes characters glow with an aura, I would say that my case is made. Also, the "aura is with me" phrase might not appear the same way in the Japanese version, while the comparisons with Dragon Ball Z would be near impossible to dismiss as a possible localization.
- The Force does not get stronger as a battle goes on. The Force isn't a life force, since wikipedia:Yuuzhan Vong are alive and are not connected to the Force.
- Really, "Ash's status as the lone person who can control aura is similar to that of Luke Skywalker during the original trilogy" is pushing it. Hard. --Raijinili 02:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- Dragon Ball Z is perhaps the best way to compare Hadou/Aura (波導) and Ki (気, which in Chinese is pronounced qi and in Japan as ki). If you look at DBZ, most attacks in the series use Ki, a person's fighting spirit/inner strength, whereas certain special attacks use something different, such as the Spirit Bomb which uses spirit/life energy, and seems to be analogous to the use of Hadou/Aura which appears to be how the Pokémon World refers to life energy (you could say that Goku's Spirit Bomb is pretty much a super huge Aura Sphere). But, if you use up your fighting spirit, you become exhausted, but use up all of your life energy, and you're dead, such was the case with Sir Aaron and later his Lucario. So attacks such as Focus Blast (Kiai dame, most likely meaning inner-strength reservoir) and Focus Punch (Kiai Punch, inner-strength punch) use ki, whereas Aura Sphere (hadou dan, wave-guiding mass) uses hadou/aura, life energy. Though the use of Aura sphere seems to use the aura gathered from around the user (hence being referred to wave-guiding), which explains why continual use doesn't kill the user. Perhaps even the whole system of PP is based on ki, the fighting energy, which would explain why Focus Blast which uses one's own ki directly outside the body is so powerful but only has a base of 5 PP, but Focus Punch, which keeps the energy in the body (one's fist) has so much more. That both Focus attacks use Ki directly and that they are fighting-type moves gives credence that they are based on the Martial Art's use of kiai and explains their Japanese names. The fact is: Hadou/Aura is not the same as Ki/Qi, but it's not unrelated either. --Wikifixer 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- It probably is based on energy sources such as Qi and Chakra but the Star Wars influence is clear from the repeated use of "The Aura is with me". I don't think Ash being the last one is pushing it either - the whole premise of the Aura Guardians is basically a fantasy version of the Jedi. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 00:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Dragon Ball Z is perhaps the best way to compare Hadou/Aura (波導) and Ki (気, which in Chinese is pronounced qi and in Japan as ki). If you look at DBZ, most attacks in the series use Ki, a person's fighting spirit/inner strength, whereas certain special attacks use something different, such as the Spirit Bomb which uses spirit/life energy, and seems to be analogous to the use of Hadou/Aura which appears to be how the Pokémon World refers to life energy (you could say that Goku's Spirit Bomb is pretty much a super huge Aura Sphere). But, if you use up your fighting spirit, you become exhausted, but use up all of your life energy, and you're dead, such was the case with Sir Aaron and later his Lucario. So attacks such as Focus Blast (Kiai dame, most likely meaning inner-strength reservoir) and Focus Punch (Kiai Punch, inner-strength punch) use ki, whereas Aura Sphere (hadou dan, wave-guiding mass) uses hadou/aura, life energy. Though the use of Aura sphere seems to use the aura gathered from around the user (hence being referred to wave-guiding), which explains why continual use doesn't kill the user. Perhaps even the whole system of PP is based on ki, the fighting energy, which would explain why Focus Blast which uses one's own ki directly outside the body is so powerful but only has a base of 5 PP, but Focus Punch, which keeps the energy in the body (one's fist) has so much more. That both Focus attacks use Ki directly and that they are fighting-type moves gives credence that they are based on the Martial Art's use of kiai and explains their Japanese names. The fact is: Hadou/Aura is not the same as Ki/Qi, but it's not unrelated either. --Wikifixer 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I pretty much broke my unspoken rule about never participating in talk page discussions, but I feel I'm enough of a Star Wars geek to merit that. I'd like to point out several things. First of all, the sentence comparing Ash with Luke Skywalker is misleading and inaccurate. Luke was NOT the only one in the original trilogy who could use the Force. (Darth Vader, anyone? Not to mention Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, and
Leia.) Now if it turned out that Cyrus could control aura and then he revealed himself as Ash's father...then yeah, the comparison between the two would gain much more credibility. Furthermore, to me it seems like aura is more related to ki/chakra in both form and function than to the Force. Also, note the background of the people who created the aura concept. While I'm not saying that they've never heard of Star Wars, given the creators' propensity for references to Eastern culture, it's definitely not a stretch at all to say they based aura off of the Eastern idea of ki, while it is somewhat further of a stretch to assume that they at least initially based it off of the Force. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Inspiration section of the article seems like it was written on the assumption that the creators/writers got their main inspiration from a movie and then as a secondary source used a traditional concept from their culture of origin. (In fact, I'm pretty sure Lucas himself based aspects of the Force off of ki.) I feel like it should be re-written with heavier emphasis on ki and a small blurb at the end about the Force (because in light of things such as the Aura Guardians and "the aura is with me", it's entirely possible that they did at least have some influence from SW). Also, is "the aura is with me" a dub phrase, or is it directly translated from the original? If it's not the original phrasing, I suggest someone do some digging and find the original Japanese, because it's entirely possible that the dub writers decided to consciously use a phrase similar to the classic SW phrase, as it would definitely not be the first time they've work in popular culture references. I'm sorry this was so long; free cookies for whoever read this far. If nobody objects, I'll go ahead and change it. Lucentas 22:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I pretty much broke my unspoken rule about never participating in talk page discussions, but I feel I'm enough of a Star Wars geek to merit that. I'd like to point out several things. First of all, the sentence comparing Ash with Luke Skywalker is misleading and inaccurate. Luke was NOT the only one in the original trilogy who could use the Force. (Darth Vader, anyone? Not to mention Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, and
- Has anyone ever considered that maybe, just maybe, Lucas didn't invent the force himself, and that there might be the possibility that Lucas and Pokemon based their idea of a similar concept coincidentally off of a shared idea? For reference, Lucas admitted to basing his concept of "the Force" off of this short film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21-87 . With that in mind, I really don't see how hard it is for someone to dig into 21-87's history and figure out where the original concept here was based off of, especially considering that "the force" is referred to as God or a god in the film. Crenel 06:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Water Pulse
Water Pulse doesn't use Aura.Shadow1337 13:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, thats true. Why then, when Ash is battling Maylene, does Buizel learn water pulse by copying lucario? On top of that, they look the same. Have nintendo gane mad? In the games water pulse and aura sphere look soooooo different. It's madness. I'll put a copy of this on the episode discussion page. Please reply :) SpecialK 13:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I personally think that the energy used for water pulse is diferent than the energy of aura sphere, but maybe the way the energy is being used is similair and that's why the moves look similair.--WikiTomas 14:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Or maybe Water Pulse originated as an aura move, but sorta changed into a non-aura move through time. This would back up my theory of move evolution. SpecialK 14:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes' that could be it too.--WikiTomas 14:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
For my definition of move evolution, see it at User:SpecialK and click move evolution. SpecialK 15:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have no idea what this conversation is trying to prove, but I thought I'd point out that the Japanese name for "Water Pulse" is "Mizu no Hadou" - "hadou" being the Japanese term for "Aura." 梅子❄❅ 15:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
That proves my theory even more... SpecialK 15:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Can someone reply. Oh, and how do you change your signiture? SpecialK 15:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Even if you can't use the forums, don't bring chat onto Bulbapedia please. Any relation between Water Pulse and Aura Sphere remains speculation, which Bulbapedia endeavors to leave out of its articles. (Signature changing can be done here; if you have any issues about that do not use this talk page.) —darklordtrom 11:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- In that case, Focus Blast's relationship with Aura Sphere is also speculation. In fact, moreso: it doesn't have Hadou in it's Japanese name. We treat Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse as Aura, because Lucario learns them and they have Hadou in their names. But while one of those clauses is true for Water Pulse (Mizu no Hadou), neither is for Focus Blast. It doesn't belong on the page either, then. I'm removing it from the main page. Satosuke 23:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Mystery Dungeon
Actually, the aura at the beginning of PMD2 is merely the "fave color" you have on your ds. for example, start the game over and over, each time changing the test but getting the same nature and pokemon. trust me, the aura will be the same as your fave color.- unsigned comment from sk8torchic (talk • contribs)
- No it's not. On my Ds it was Light Blue but then I got Orange, Lime, Red, Light BLue, Orange, And Orange. My brother got his color though. AuraGuardian0226 16:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- I got my favorite color (bright pink), but that is probably because of the quiz, although it is strange you kept the same color changing the answers.--Starlight_the_ampharos 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Aura useage before debut?
Should it be said that Ash has used Aura even before it was offically named? In the episode "Hatch me if you can" Ash somehow shares the same nightmare as Larvitar and from what I have read about Aura that is one of the abilities: To sense the emotions and such of Pokemon.--Lycos Ex Mortis 13:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- That's because Unown teleported them to a different dimension and showed them its past. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- No it isn't. The Unown thing happened a few episodes later.--Lycos Ex Mortis 16:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Sealing of Spiritomb
Wouldn't that also count as an aura ability? Otherwise I don't see how the Pikachu guy could seal it into a stone.--Elveonora (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
What else does the article need?
I want to help out a little, but I don't know what exactly this article needs from the initial read-through. I'm blind and my resources are limited, so I can only do so much, but I do want to help out, so is there anything I can do? Feel free to delete this if I'm asking this in the wrong place. :) The Imaginatrix (talk) 06:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
