Talk:Player character

I suggest merge of Player character and Rival, as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? Porygon-Z[ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And again that request is made. TTEchidna 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Re-write?

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? PDL 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reason? ^ht 14 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. PDL 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Backsprites

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--MisterE13 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon?

There's not really much more to say... The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. Jazzmoth 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is Lucy Fleetfoot. Fli cky 1991 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. Jazzmoth 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

COUGH

Why do we need backsprites?--RexRacer -talk 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--Mister E 13 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--RexRacer -talk 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--Mister E 13 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. TTEchidna 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--Mister E 13 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Michael and What's his name...

What about side game characters? ^ht 14 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.Kiryu 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? Lovely Rose 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Two little things

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? Mr. Charlie 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gamecube game characters?

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. Cheesedude 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm...already stated... ^ht 14 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. Cheesedude 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Ranger

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --ケンジの ガール 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I will. ^tc²₆ tc₂₆ 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The new girl

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and Soul until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually give her one outright. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? TTEchidna 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under Soul. --ケンジの ガール 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --Maxim 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--RexRacer 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow miss her in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? TTEchidna 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. Trainer-c 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. Mr. Charlie 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a HUGE hat. I felt like crying :(

See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".Glitchym1 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.Glitchym1 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Titles...

Color clashing... ^ht 14 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Should be better now. — THE TROM — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Overhead sprites

Think we should add those too? --ケンジの ガール 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. ポケモンあいこうか 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Gold's backsprite

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? Lovely Rose 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

There are two there already... ^tc²₆ tc₂₆ 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed it,it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. Lovely Rose 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--Pokéboy93 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--Pokéboy93 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Counterparts for missing

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. 67h5r6h 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

Gold's HGSS Name

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). TJF588 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —darklordtrom 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Protection

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. Ninterror 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —darklordtrom 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

Stadium characters

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you technically do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist Lovely Rose 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --Maxim 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong?

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --Maxim 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. Takharii ~ Talk! 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Black and White Trainers?

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. - unsigned comment from Clark Griswald (talk • contribs)

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black) On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?67h5r6h 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —darklordtrom 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. (Holonboy 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

Trivia

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? →→→ Shiny Rayquaza 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. Phantom♫Junkie 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. Phantom♫Junkie 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. Werdnae (talk) 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Optional names for <player character>

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. They're both here. Which one does everyone like better? たかはりい 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Colors of the first one on the second design. —darklordtrom 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon Channel

What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. Gliscorguy54 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sprites

Are you sure that the edits by Ash Pokemaster‏ is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? Ruixiang95 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

If you need sprites you can always use a sprites resource! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P

Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. Ash_Pokemaster 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ranger Backs & Main Series

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

See just abobe. :) Ash_Pokemaster 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Typing DS chars

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --Maxim 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

P+NA

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? Volcronaperson 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC) Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

Black and White 2 Trainers

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. - unsigned comment from Clark Griswald (talk • contribs)

X and Y

Do we have a confirmed name here?

|) u |( e ® 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... Berrenta (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case. Zarthga (talk) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. Gacs (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. Gohan5 (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. Ataro (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). Gacs (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.(E9310103838 (talk) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))

Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? Vienna Waltz (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - Theodorethebear (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? Ataro (talk) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Female Character

This page says if the female player is chosen on the Crystal game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----Ethan (Talk) 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Player height and weight

Ethan was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
Lyra is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
Lucas is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
Dawn is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the Pokédex.) It seems as though we only have it for the Generation IV protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for Red, Leaf, Brendan, or May? --Abcboy (talk) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. Kai * the Arc Toraph 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion

R G B Y	FR LG	G S	C	HG SS	R S E OR AS	D P Pt	B W	B2 W2	X Y

Red		Ethan			Brendan	Lucas	Hilbert	Nate	Calem

	Leaf		Kris	Lyra	May	Dawn	Hilda	Rosa	Serena

Tester (talk) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Side Series/Spin Off

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. Five (talk) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters?

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of Pokémon Conquest, I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon N. Harmonik (talk) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Player characters

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. - unsigned comment from Robin Maximo (talk • contribs)

We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin MaximoRobin Maximo (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Orlando

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. Kidburla (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Question

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--Robin Maximo (talk) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

What?

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) - unsigned comment from Sun & Moon (talk • contribs)

Sun and Moon's Names

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

BlackButterfree (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- Robin Maximo (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. BlackButterfree (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- Robin Maximo (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Since Calem and Serena's names were Xavier and Yvonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.Animaltamer704:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. Toolen (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--Robin Maximo (talk) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. Toolen (talk) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.Animaltamer705:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. Toolen (talk) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the problem of Firered & Leafgreen, how do you guys determined Leaf´s name? And i´m sorry for losing the tracks but what twist did we had in DP? I´d like to know a little more about it(principally because i started to play in this generation), it may help us resolve the problem, to get it even worse it doesn´t sound like the female character at least will appear in the anime just like Leaf, Yellow and Hilda(and Rosa but at least she appearred in the trailer).-- Robin Maximo (talk) 07:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

The twist in DP is that they left Platinum nameless, referred only as Lady, during their trip up until the point when the Platinum game version was announced. Which by that point they official gave her that name.Animaltamer708:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Despite being obvious i didn´t realize that was happening that time, it´s impressive, but i don´t think it will be a twist like that one this time, i think the only reason they did this is because DP manga would lack a female main character.-- Robin Maximo (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like we're going to have to do what we did with Kris and Leaf: use the most commonly used name amongst fans and/or the placeholder names on the games's ROM. I'm pretty sure that the placeholder names are Sun for the boy and Moon for the girl, which are also the most common names I've found when searching the web. Should I go ahead and add those to the article, or do we need to wait a little longer? Toolen (talk) 06:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Wait until a staff member makes an executive decision, please. It's not good for non-staff to jump the gun on things that affect page titles, because those in turn require a lot of creating or updating links on various pages. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much. It looks like this issue will remain unresolved for the foreseeable future. Toolen (talk) 07:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, the most common names is ヨウ and ミヅキ in Pixiv. If you search for サン and ムーン in Pixiv, you will not be able to find any pictures lol (I guess this is because the new story in Pokemon Special is not yet clear)

And the search for ヨウ and ミヅキ in Google will also find plenty of pictures.

I think this is different from Calem and Serena's case, since the Japanese version is called X/Y and the US version is called Xavier/Yvonne.

And Moon's name has not yet been mentioned in Pokemon Special just because she has not yet introduced herself. This does not mean anything. E9310103838 (talk) 16:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Why don't we call Sun/Moon's player characters Kai (boy) and Lana (girl)? That's apparently what unused data inside the game calls them, according to their pages. Interestingly enough, that would be the first time two major characters shared the same name (Lana the Trial Captain and Lana the Player Character), both of which were introduced in the same game. BlackButterfree (talk) 06:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Two pages cannot share the same title. It'd also be far more confusing to say "Kai/Lana can battle Lana at Brooklet Hill." The issue is that the female player character was given the name Lana in Japanese, and in Japanese, Lana's name is Suiren. --Abcboy (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Technically, they wouldn't have the same title. One page would be titled Lana (Trial Captain) and the other Lana (Player Character), like how some characters have their (Anime), (Adventures) and (Game) pages. But I see your point on how it'd be confusing in summaries... I guess Sun and Moon are fine, but it's so weird having player characters named after their games... We've only had Red, Kris(tal) and Leaf(green) before Sun and Moon. BlackButterfree (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Since use Kai and Lana that could not search for anything relevant at all... E9310103838 (talk) 14:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

"Kai/Lana can battle Captain Lana at Brooklet Hill." I'm not sure about 'Sun' and 'Moon' anymore... using unofficial names for characters who do have names from internal game data, even if one of them is shared with another character, I don't think that's very encyclopedic. People share names, even in Pokémon. While I get the confusion point, I don't think there would be a big problem in this case – most instances would refer to Captain anyway, as the alternate player character doesn't exist as an NPC this generation and, most times, when we're referring to the player character, we just say "the player". - Taylor (talk) 01:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

The names Sun and Moon are not "unofficial"; the names were used officially throughout the pre-release period.

The manual of style also states that titles should use the "English names of characters", and while Sun and Moon have been officially used in English, カイ and ラナ have not. --Abcboy (talk) 02:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

This is just the same case with the player use Omega/Orlando as his name in Demo Version. E9310103838 (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

While pre-release promotional material shouldn't take precedence over in-game data and, as the last user mentioned, demos are unreliable, you do have a good point about English usage. (I was curious, even; does the unused data definitely include only Japanese names or were other languages simply not found as of yet?) - Taylor (talk) 09:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Where the Japanese text contains the two names, the English text has blanks in those spots. --Abcboy (talk) 13:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I know we don't just go with what the Japanese fans use, but they seem to accept Yō and Mizuki (the Japanese equivalents of Elio and Selene) as the official names, as I believe has been mentioned here. But these are just names used in trailers, aren't they? Ratcicle Fan (talk) 14:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Aren't the names Elio and Selene as close to official as Sun and Moon? I really don't see why we go with Sun and Moon when the games abandoned the gimmick of naming protagonists after versions ages ago. - Ericss (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Black and White, Black 2 and White 2

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa? - unsigned comment from Sun & Moon (talk • contribs)

...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Suggesting A New Table

Two years ago, another member (Tester) suggested above that we list the player characters like this. I updated the table with Sun and Moon, and would like to suggest it as well. I think it looks better than the current set-up.

R G B Y	FR LG	G S	C	HG SS	R S E OR AS	D P Pt	B W	B2 W2	X Y	S M

Red		Ethan			Brendan	Lucas	Hilbert	Nate	Calem	Sun

	Leaf		Kris	Lyra	May	Dawn	Hilda	Rosa	Serena	Moon

BlackButterfree (talk) 20:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

The spaces by Leaf/Kris are pretty odd. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

It's to show that those characters were absent in the games inside the space. It's a bit disorienting at first glance, but once you realize what they mean, they make perfect sense. BlackButterfree (talk) 02:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand it. I just don't think the one thing makes up for the other. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Even if there's a point to the gap, it's still very distracting and will no doubt cause further confusion.--Force Fire 04:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

so you do this:

R G B Y	FR LG	G S	C	HG SS	R S E OR AS	D P Pt	B W	B2 W2	X Y	S M

Red		Ethan			Brendan	Lucas	Hilbert	Nate	Calem	Sun

None	Leaf	None	Kris	Lyra	May	Dawn	Hilda	Rosa	Serena	Moon

The colors are a bit off, but it's still a good example. I think that looks better. Nutter Butter (talk) 04:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

That looka more appealing than the proposed one above this.Animaltamer705:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

While I don't think this table looks bad or anything...I think the current set-up of splitting Male and Female looks a lot nicer and easier to understand. --Hoenn Master 05:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)