Talk:PokéShipping
NPOV
As previously discussed in the staff forum, this article could do with some editing to make it neutral, not balanced. In short - the evidence needs to be restated in a way that is factual, i.e. "Commonly used arguments for PokéShipping include:" - and present the interpretation as interpretation, i.e. "PokéShippers believe this implies", not "this implies". - 振霖T 04:33, 18 January 2006 (CST)
Ash's Sexual Orientation
"and furthermore, that Ash is undeniably heterosexual" What, he can't be bi?
Ja that slightly annoyed me too. - Ferret 12:45, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Opinion and conclusions shouldn't be here... I didn't like working through that section either. Of course, this whole thing is opinion and what we should be doing is documenting the opinion, rather than presenting it.
But wouldn't 'undeniably likes girls' be more accurate?
probably saying that there's "no credible evidence supporting Ash having any sexual orientation other than heterosexual" is best. Evkl 22:19, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone able to go through the japanese episodes and find the original lines for some of these hints? If we're not going to write about dub hints, single them out, and show why they're not taken as evidence by serious veteran Shippers, we shouldn't include them at all.--Archaic 10:34, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"probably saying that there's "no credible evidence supporting Ash having any sexual orientation other than heterosexual" is best. Evkl 22:19, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)"
Evkl--I wouldn't say that. Remember Sammy? Ritchie? Gary?
Show me the solid evidence that As is anything but heterosexual. evkl 10:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- There is none, just as there is no solid evidence that he's not bisexual. Ketsuban 23:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Other than the fact that he has yet to shown any real sexual attraction to males. Lionheart08 15:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Lack of evidence to one side is not the same as "solid evidence" to the contrary. I could just as easily say "Mew has never been shown, in any canon, to be in a romantic relationship with a female pokemon, so it is male and gay." That is no proof what-so-ever. See the similarities between that argument and yours? Mind you, I'm not saying I feel one or the other about Ash's sexuality, and the article never claims that Ash has to be hetero, just that Pokéshippers think so - just don't use such terrible logic. --AuthorX 17:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think the simple fact that Ash has shown attraction to females (on more than one occasion) and none whatsoever to males kills the theory of him being Bisexual. Lionheart08 04:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
With a kids show, probably best to err on the side of caution. So Ash is straight until proven otherwise... - Cassius335
Image:PokéShipping
Is the image in this article really from Electric Tale of Pikachu? Because, as far as I remember, Misty is older in it, and her hair is black. She seems more like Misty from Pokémon Special to me. -- Luke 08 May 2006
I've Got A Secret
Removed a reference to this, since it's sung by Deliah, not Misty.
- It's sung by both of them. Delia sings about the secret of her past (dating Giovanni) and Misty sings about her feelings for Ash. --FabuVinny T-C-S 12:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Really? Didn't see the actual play, but the song sounds like its only the one female singer. Interesting... - Cassius335
Ugh
Uuugh, gay ships annoy me sooo much, if you people were truuue fans, those kindsa ships wouldnt exist! Gosh! -File:Ani491MS.gifKPF☆
Where there are possible couples, there be ships. Fact of the Internet. Cassius335 22:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
And how does your homophobia affect the PokéShipping article? --FabuVinny T-C-S 21:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I think he means "Shipping is gay". Cassius335 22:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Misty's Song
I'm going to remove Misty's Song from the list for now, as it appears to be exclusive to the English version. If anyone finds an official Japanese song in which Kasumi states this, please add that song instead ^_^. AjaaniSherisu 21:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Do eff off. Just because it's a dub song does NOT mean it doesn't count! - Cassius335 14:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. Just because it's English-exclusive doesn't mean it's not usable as evidence. English canon is canon. User:TTEchidna/sig 05:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but you are grasping at straws. Pokemon is from JAPAN. The only canon that can be canon is the original, and since the main language of Japan isn't English, we can assume that the dub is not the original, right? There is no such thing as dub canon. Ganging up on me saying "I agree with them, just because it's in English doesn't mean it doesn't count" doesn't make his/her or your point anymore correct. I support Pokeshipping, but I do so with facts that the creators gave, not a company that had no say in the development of the series. The day that dubs become part of an anime's canon is the day fanfics become canon.
