Bulbapedia talk:Project Walkthroughs

About

This Project started late 2005, and the only completed one is the Colosseum one? Is there no interest? Gligar 23:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ranch

Are we going to have a walkthrough for Ranch? I'm playing through it at the moment so could write one if you want? --FLAMER! 21:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Is there any storyline in Pokemon Ranch?? I dont think so. All that happens is if you deposit 999 pokemon you get to trade a pokemon egg for a mew from hailey.--Usyflad (10) 22:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Other Walkthrough Sites

Could we get some info from other sites? I mean whenever you're freely paying a Pokémon game, you don't really think of how to do specifically like a walkthrough. I mean, not copy and paste, but copy and paste THEN we make it in our own words... I think I know a couple walkthrough sites.--DRAGONBEAST^X 18:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Why not kill walkthroughs altogether? Nobody comes to 'pedia to get a walkthrough. They go to IGN or CheatCC, or GameFaqs. It's a big waste of time.--RexRacer -talk 18:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You're actually right, with saying that. I mean, why should we even have this project, if nothing's happening here and there's quite a couple of sites that have walkthroughs?--DRAGONBEAST^X 19:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This project is obsolete and time-consuming. Like RexRacer said before, nobody goes to Bulbapedia for walkthroughs, they go to other sites. --Usyflad 10 23:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The Pokédex Pokémon pages are also on other sites and the routes as well. Anyway, don't we want more people to come to Bulbapedia? Pyles 01:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Isn't a major goal of Bulbapedia's in general to be as complete as possible anyway? If there were a functioning walkthrough section, it would certainly attract more people. Not everybody uses them, and that's fine, but if people want to contribute in a productive way, then shouldn't they? If nobody else is really motivated about it, I'd be happy to help out. --^KCorp4000 16:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm new here and I stumbled upon the Project so I thought I would contribute. I'm doing a Crystal Walkthrough since I have some spare time and no one has started a crystal walkthrough yet.--User:Kolink

um...

shouldnt the pmd2 walkthrough follow the chapters of the game EX: Chapter 1: Lost at Sea --Usyflad10 23:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

i put them to chapters but theres still the pages that title: Section 1, Section 2, section 3. could some on delete them cause i dont know how. --Usyflad10 21:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

here are the links Appendix:Mystery Dungeon 2 walkthrough/Section 1, Appendix:Mystery Dungeon 2 walkthrough/Section 2, Appendix:Mystery Dungeon 2 walkthrough/Section 3 --Usyflad10 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You or Player

in the walkthroughs do i write "you" or "the player"? --Usyflad10 03:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It's hard to say. I've used both interchangeably in the Red & Blue walkthrough, though you could also combine them, linking one to the other (like →you←). I don't think a walkthrough is really an encylopedic entry, so I don't think it would really matter. ^KCorp4000 16:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with KCorp4000. Most walkthroughs use 'you' and it makes more sense that way. Kolink

This is a walkthrough not an article/content, so yes, You is permitted--ForceFire 05:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. --^KCorp4000 05:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Might I suggest that it would be better, to keep with the written style of the wiki as a whole, to infer 'you' rather than directly state it? For example: Instead of: "After you defeat Norman, he will give you the Balance Badge" Use: "After defeating Norman, the Balance Badge will be awarded" This way avoids using the second-person, but also avoids removing the reader entirely, as "The player recieves the Balance badge" would do. It's a standard way of writing that can be seen in any professional instructions/step-by-step guide. Personally I think that would better fit with Bulba's standards, and maybe get this project taken more seriously. --Raylax 19:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Sapphire

I am new here and was told I could contribute to this. Is there a Sapphire Walkthrough?

I forgot to include my name. I am GaryMaister31.- unsigned comment from GaryMaister31 (talk • contribs)

Here, my friend. Oh... and sign every time you make a comment on a talk page.--Clarky13 22:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a to do list link on the main project page. That list tells what walkthroughs are unfinished, in the works, or complete. Kolink

Project Leader?

Who is the project leader of this? I would like to talk to them about the state of this project - whilst I'm aware that a lot of good work has gone into it (I really wouldn't be writing this if I had no interest in the project), I can't help but feel that the non-standard written style employed makes the articles feel out-of-place on this wiki. I'm also aware that a fair few Bulbapedians think that this sort of stuff should be left to GameFAQs and the like, but I disagree. However, I do believe that the project needs seriously overhauling and brought up to the same standard as the rest of the Wiki. See my suggestion further up on this talk page under "You or Player?" for the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Please don't think I'm just some random newbie with barely a userpage to his name and an over-active trolling gland. I really do believe that this is a brilliant project, but one currently with several faults with style and organisation, which I would like very much to help fix if the project members are willing to consider it --Raylax 20:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That's a good question. I agree with you, I'm happy that more people are getting involved, but I think we should have some agreed-upon format. I've worked on the walkthroughs for Red/Blue & Gold/Silver, and have generally kept the same format throughout. But there are enough styles at work here that some people may find them too cluttered and hard to read. Sher-e-Bengal is the leader of our parent project (Project Games) if that helps. As far as I know, we don't have a designated leader here... --^KCorp4000 18:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I personally think that the walkthroughs here should have an instructional written style, although I'm not sure how well that would go down since (it would seem, at least) it would mean rewriting every article. And making them considerably less interesting to read and write. I can see the appeal of the more personal colloquial written style, but it seems to grate somewhat with Bulba's style and they feel out-of-place. If there is no real project leader for this, can I suggest that the members elect one? I suspect that may be a key problem with the lack of organisation here. --Raylax 20:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Despite the lacking of a Project Leader at the moment, admins would be happy to discuss the problem and set ground rules... --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 20:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Elections wouldn't be a bad idea. With or without a leader, the project certainly needs some continuity between articles. --^KCorp4000 10:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone given any more thought to an election? If we could establish a hierarchy, then we could consider standardizing the articles. Without an agreed-upon method, the collective pages are chaos. --^KCorp4000 15:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Ranger

There should be a walkthrough for Pokémon ranger--Combee123 (tAlk) 23:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

There is one, though it hasn't been edited substantially since January. There just wasn't a link on the to-do page. --^KCorp4000 16:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Logo

The current logo should be changed into something that is actually related to the project. Here are two of my suggestions. --Combee123 (tAlk) 07:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I quite like the second one.Alsabeehaazoooz 23:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. I've got a better idea on what we could do with those two pictures--Combee123 (tAlk) 19:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The logo isn't changing. End of story ^Maverick_Nate 20:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering

why is the username at the top bold? Is it because the user is the project leader? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 16:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I think Combee123 used to be the leaderAlsabeehaazoooz 04:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

He wasn't, he just made an account this October.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 04:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no leader for this project. User142 created this project.--ForceFire 04:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure it was just a mistake he made, because Maverick Nate changed it soon after.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 04:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I know this is old, but why is the navigation, search, and toolbox below the page now?. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 12:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

It's the same way for me, too. Combee123 changed the layout again, the new code just shoved that all down. --^KC 4000 17:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

But why does Combee123 want it that way? I think it looks better when it isn't shoved down. Also, doesn't Combee123 need permission before changing the layout like that? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. The tabs at the top aren't really a bad idea, but it is a little annoying to scroll to the bottom for that stuff. Ideally, all members would need permission from the Project Leader to change anything on the project page. Since we don't have one right now, it's basically a free-for-all. No single member currently has any more authority here than the next, so if one person can change something, there's no reason someone else can't. I'm working on editing the page, anyway, since some info needed updating - it should be looking a little more workable before too long. --^KC 4000 20:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Current State of this Project

Well, I couldn't help notice what a mess this project is and how there is no project leader to guide things through. Are people still currently working on this or is it now just obsolete? I think some kind of definite decision should be made so people are who are still contributing aren't wasting their efforts. Since this project seems so huge and given the different amount of games being covered, maybe people should split up into teams for each game to keep it up to standards? On the subject of standards, if there is a project leader, maybe some new standards should be placed to keep things more organized.--Jello 22:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there is a project leader, but this project is not obsolete. Tyler53841 does the most, and if we are to recruit a leader, it shold be him. The standards should be made, however, as some of the pages are lacking, and could have better grammar and better follow the Bulbapedia:Manual of Style. How the crap is this going to be split into teams??? Of course there's a lot of games, but you don't see Project Games fussing about it. It's not really logical to be split into teams, and there isn't anything wrong with a lot of contributors, as everyone who does a little counts. That's the way Bulbapedia works. --Smartkidhen 23:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this project is neglected and somewhat of a mess. The Diamond and Pearl walkthrough is not even like a third of the way done and we're seeing HGSS released in the U.S. this March. I was improving some of the HGSS walkthroughs and in some of them, there wasn't even a structure; the headers were just formatted as normal text. I don't think enough people know about this project to actually improve or write new sections. People mostly focus on the games (encyclopedic), anime, TCG, manga, and the likes. I am also not liking the non-encyclopedic language used in these articles: e.g. in a HGSS article, it referred to Prof. Elm as a geezer. I wouldn't consider that formal language, would you? --DialgaRULES_{(contrib es)} 23:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not, clearly that type of language is inappropriate for a walkthrough, also I have been working with new ideas to further improve the structure. See what you think of these:

a. No personal strategies are permitted since it is unnecessary wording and is occasionally someone's opinion. The exception is small tips or details of any potential danger involved. My last four Gym coverings on the Ruby and Sapphire walkthroughs is a good example of small tips, since my walkthroughs involve gameplay to produce the best accurate details.

b. Should the listing on the normal appendix pages for the game page be like Ruby and Sapphire and list all the routes and locations where despite the extra space, it makes it easier to track, or just be like Diamond and Pearl and only list from start to finish to save space.

c. Things of lesser value should be cut down or not mentioned to avoid too much details. Such as that I only list noteworthy items in the summaries, or use the Later... header to deal with revisits to routes or locations that have little value, namely for things like Item pickup or item trades.

d. Then there are minor things like how many sections each part should have or the the preferred size and other minor flaws that need to be found and addressed.

These are what I have for now to help the quality of these pages. I also know there are more surprises coming along the way. -Tyler53841 06:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Tyler, I've been looking at your walkthrough for reference as well as the D/P one for the HG/SS walkthrough. I haven't followed it exactly, as I'm using a more aesthetic template for the trainers. One thing I noticed was the D/P walkthrough just pulls the trainer and Pokémon data straight out of the pages of the routes and locations. While in yours and mine we had to do a little editing for it to fit in the template, which seems tedious but at the same time it doesn't take up so much space on the page. Should we just keep at that? I think that's one of the things that needs to be updated in the standards list.As for b. I think all the routes and locations should be listed on the normal appendix page despite the extra space.--Jello 18:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with b., since one of my secondary goals on wiki work is keeping it simple and create less hassle. Also a new surprise is that right now I am aware that another member of this project KCorp4000 whom I worked with before, has been working on new template designs in his sandbox for Trainers, Pokémon, and Items and it will be awhile. But once that is finalized then I will help out with the redesign upgrade, that is why I am also not updating any older template designs on earlier walkthrough parts for Ruby and Sapphire to avoid too much hassle. -Tyler53841 02:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that was EXACTLY what I was looking for/had in mind for template designs, since the one's that are currently used do take up a lot of space on the walkthrough pages. I wasn't aware there was someone working on those designs. I would love to see these get implemented soon. Do you know exactly how long it would take if it were to happen? I would also like to help out with the redesign upgrade. The completed walkthroughs so far could so some work too. --Jello 03:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

He'll contact me once he's done and got approval from the Editor in Chief TTEchidna. I have already been communicating with him to address any important flaws. But on this end I would want to help dealing with creating any good set of standard rules for this project to use to also help with quality of structure by using the best ideas that are feasible for use. -Tyler53841 04:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this project is somewhat neglected, though there is a core group of dedicated members who still contribute. However, I don't believe that it is an obsolete endeavor - why should Bulbapedia send viewers to Strategy Wiki, rather than be the one-stop site for the most accurate and in-depth information? Any given walkthrough can only be written so quickly, especially if only one or two people are working on it. The rather low number of active editors up against the sheer number of games that there are to cover is not a battle that can be won quickly, but persistence is key. I would know - since I first started editing for this project last July, I've since completed the guides for Red/Blue, Yellow, and Gold/Silver basically on my own. Walkthroughs are not encyclopedic articles, so like ForceFire said above, using "you" when referring to the player is permitted, though substituting that for "the player" or something similar would certainly help to make the walkthroughs look more in line with the rest of the wiki, and hopefully that would get it taken seriously. I don't know who described Elm as a geezer, but it's an opinion, and not the formal language we should really be using.

My opinions in response to your four points, Tyler:

• The editor's personal strategy has no place here. It is up to the reader to decide how they want to play the game - their strategy for raising or battling may be different. While the story always progresses the same way, there is no single greatest method to follow.
• The basic appendix pages should list every major location for a given subpage. While it may add a little extra to the page, it helps people track the storyline. If all that was listed was "Part # - From <here> to <there>", readers would have to guess if what they were looking for is in this section, or that one.
• Things that are less important should be mentioned briefly, if at all. A quick mention in the main body of a location's text is probably best for now. Things of lesser value on the first visit, but will play a larger role later on (like Ecruteak City, and later Tin Tower), should use the Later... heading to indicate that.
• Individual pages should try to keep it short. While they shouldn't be as short as possible, it's not great to let a page get too large either. </rant>
  

Like he said, I have been working on ideas in my sandbox to upgrade the way we present a locations data, specifically for Trainers, Pokémon, and Items. I'm pretty happy with how everything there looks right now. If anyone has any ideas or comments, please post them here. TTE basically has final say, but it's up to us to think something up. Those templates are what we'll hopefully use in all the walkthroughs, so if anyone has a way to improve something, just let me know. ;) --^KC 4000 19:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree that is why I put down the fourth objects because it is also pointless to create too many or too few pages for each game. Take a look at section 1 of HeartGold and SoulSilvers' walkthrough which is pretty much very short. That is a reason why I suggested the fourth proposal to help the structure. -Tyler53841 00:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I think there should be separate styles for different series, unless the style that's decided can be universally used by those that are done, those that aren't, and those that haven't been decided to have a walkthrough yet but should. I doubt that it'll be possible for Ranger to follow the same style as Mystery Dungeon or the main series. Besides, separate styles could make each walkthrough better as they'll fit right into the series. Also, this has nothing to do with style, but I think there should also be walkthroughs for Trozei!, Puzzle League and Challenge, the TCG video games, Poképark Wii, Hey You Pikachu! (if there is even a storyline. I remember there being missions, so the walkthrough could be divided by location), Pokémon Channel (same case as Hey You Pikachu!, though I don't know if there are missions) Mystery Dungeon Wiiware, the Pinball (same thing as Channel), Stadium series (Gym Leader Tower), and Snap (same thing as Channel), as well as other games that don't have walkthroughs but could. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

About Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Walkthrough

It seems like that almost everyone ignored this walkthrough. Recently, in the Christmas Holiday, I have worked really hard to try to complete this walkthrough. Before this, I had already divided the remaining walkthrough into 17 parts, bringing the total number of parts to 32(there were originally 15 parts, while Parts 12-15 didn't have their pages). These few days, I started working on Parts 12-16. However, the storyline of this game is very long and complex. The information is complicated. I cannot complete this walkthrough on my own. I'm just a student, after all. Please, everyone that joined this project, complete this walkthrough together! I know that if we do this together, one day, the walkthrough will be finally completed. The Pokemon HeartGold And SoulSilver Walkthrough, and also the Pokemon Black And White Walkthrough are completed. So, I believe that this walkthrough can also be completed! --Tony YKS, posted on 9:45PM, 28th December,2011(Hong Kong Standard Time)

Don't get discouraged, do what you can and it will get done sooner or later. It took me a while too, but I added the bulk of the HG/SS and B/W guides eventually. Once I finish updating the older guides, I can help on this one. — ^KC 15:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement, Leader KCorp4000. I am very grateful that some users have finally started to help me complete this walkthrough. Parts 12-19 of the walkthrough are finally completed (although they still need improvements). It is very encouraging to know that we have completed more that half of this walkthrough -- we've completed 19 parts out of 33 (I decided to divide the original Parts 20 to 21 into 3 parts). I believe that if we don't give up, we can ultimately finish this walkthrough! -- Tony YKS, replied on 10:20PM, 20th January,2012 (Hong Kong Standard Time)

Progress Report

All pages in the Main Storyline in Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Walkthrough are created. Most of them are complete, but some of them need more information. I'll add all information of Part 23 -- final part of the Main Storyline, on the upcoming Saturday (28th January,2012). Some of the users have also started working on the parts of After Game. The progress is finally picking up.--Tony YKS, posted on 12:05AM, 27th January,2012 (Hong Kong Standard Time)

The Main Storyline is finally completed (but some pages need improvement). I've moved on to the After Game storyline. With the help of other users, half of the pages (i.e. 5) of After Game storyline are created. --Tony YKS, posted on 5:05PM, 29th January,2012 (Hong Kong Standard Time)

All pages in After Game storyline are created. Although some pages are incomplete and a few parts in Main Storyline need improvement, we are getting close to target of completing this walkthrough! --Tony YKS, posted on 10:00AM, 26th May,2012 (Hong Kong Standard Time)

LEADER!

I may have joined recently to the project, but we need a leader! Can someone at least take it over?! Spritemaster 2:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, this project doesn't need a leader. It has set styles for each game, meaning there should be no problem. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Then shouldn't the "no leader" header be taken out of the project page? --Jackowaco (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

heart gold/soul silver

well I could start doing a list of al the legendaries and where they are found, I know by experience that lots of people look for information like their location and how to get there.--Lapraslover 23:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

To write a walkthrough you'd need to start at the beginning. For specific facts, such as where legendary Pokémon can be found, we have encyclopedic articles. (I'd also advise you to follow the manual of style when writing for Bulbapedia). —darklordtrom 11:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Emerald Walkthrough

On a walkthrough, what is the point where a section ends? Is it at a certain length, a part of the game, or something else? --Pokemon026

It depends, it shouldn't be too long a page nor too short a page. Try looking at other walkthroughs (such as the HGSS one) to give you an idea. A new section would be probably like entering a new city. —♥ Jello 00:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

That works. I might look another Gen III walkthrough for a clearer reference. --Pokemon026

I think the Jagged Pass would be a good stopping point. I'm going to see how much I can work on it. --Pokemon026

That's fine, just use your best judgment and thanks for working on it! —♥ Jello 01:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm probably looking too much into this, but some of the sections are just blurbs of text. That gives me something else to do, at least. --Pokemon026

If you need any help I'll be happy with the templates and stuff or minor things since I have a good amount of experience with them and can do it simple. I'll be heading down that way myself since only 5-6 areas of Ruby and Sapphire are left. Pretty much a few of these templates are so complex like the gym and rival battles in particular, that it is best to let an experienced user handle it since it is so easy to make a mistake which I'll be happy to put in to avoid these mistakes so if you need any help Pokemon026 I'll be glad to help since I have a copy of the game. -Tyler53841 01:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

That would be good. From what I can see, data for Pokemon and Trainers still needs to be written, and some sections could be written better. Maybe a to-do list of some sort? --Pokemon026

That's why I joined the routes and locations projects to coordinate with my walkthrough work which had done a few times including recently (with routes 129-134, with the aid of Microsoft Word that I very carefully used during lockdown). At the moment I am working on the rest of Meteor Falls and will carefully do the the trainers from Ruby and Sapphire for both the page and the walkthrough. -Tyler53841 01:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I'm going to rewrite the first section (hopefully there's not a lot left here). Would a "to-do list" help get the pages up to a certain standard? --Pokemon026

I think if a lot of people knew what could be done, and pitched in, we could have a standard for the rest of the walkthrough very soon. I have put up a redesign to-do list on the main page; if there's a better place for it, please let me know. --Pokemon026

Don't know if it is necessary or not since for me I usually jot things down when I do my planning, but as the for the Emerald Walkthrough it is best to do an overhaul to see if things need to be moved to another section and so due to the whole size concept. Once I get done with Ruby and Sapphire I should have time to do one. -Tyler53841 03:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

That might work. The list is for people who might not know where to start. It would be good if we could get the walkthrough to a certain standard before continuing it. Anyway, I'm done for today, I may try to do more tomorrow. --Pokemon026

Lack of... lots of stuff

I have been looking through the walkthroughs, and the ones for Emerald, Diamond and pearl, and Platinum are all totally incomplete. Can we get these finished? LHCD~2 22:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

If you think something is lacking, feel free to edit yourself. For a lot of these, just 1 or 2 people were the sole ones working on them, and even they got it finished eventually. —♥ Jello 23:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help with the post-Elite Four Emerald stuff (what little there is of it), like finding the legendaries. I would help more with earlier parts, but it's been about a month since I played through the main storyline and I'm currently working on getting through the Elite Four.--PhantomJunkie 23:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

If you have anything to add, please add it. Any help is always appreciated. I managed to get the Kanto and Johto guides finished, but I've had other things occupying my time recently. I'll be back soon to help with the rest. — ^KC 02:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I've also been taking some time off to relax and I'll be back soon as well. -Tyler53841 01:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ranger Pokémon

Is there a template which displays available Pokémon in Pokémon Ranger?--Chalkwriter 11:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

There's the one used on the Ranger location pages (e.g. Lyra Forest). Have a look at the coding there to figure out how it works. There are also similar versions for the other two regions. Werdnae (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

'Walkthrough(s)' Page??

it is notoriously difficult to find the walkthroughs when browsing bulbapedia. just throwing this out there, but should there be a page titled "Walkthroughs" or something similar? -- ^Pokémaniac_John (talk) 06:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Walkthroughs, along with Shipping fall out of the realm of Bulbapedia, and are more of extensions, hence having their own namespace, so it's not really feasible to make a page about it. This has a list of all the walkthroughs, by the way —♥ Jello^talk 06:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You might also wish to search through the category of walkthroughs. —darklordtrom 07:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks a lot! I guess I missed those hehe... Still - neither of those come up on the first page when searching "walkthrough" or "walkthroughs". If it was hard for me to find, it's probably hard for visitors to find, too. -- ^Pokémaniac_John (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

There is an option to search in other namespaces, for Walkthroughs you would check the Appendix option under the advanced search bar. —♥ Jello^talk 23:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Would a page for the second ranger game containing strategies for all bosses be acceptable?

I have an unused walkthrough for the bosses. It is incomplete, but has quite a few of them, and since I beat the game, I can easily go back and check some things that I missed... --Shadowater 04:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Leader

I think I could be a good project leader. I have two main series games that have a incomplete walkthrough. So how 'bought it?

Gamerater888 17:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks promising, and just so you know, I am currently doing Emerald, which I will get back to once I finish my current work of updating the template. Right now there is hardly anyone handling the sidegames. -Tyler53841 17:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, as stated, I have a mostly complete boss guide for the second ranger game. If anybody is willing to do a walkthrough of Shadows of Almia, then I can provide it. I also have Mystery Dungeon Blue and am willing to restart it to do a walkthrough. Actually, in total, I have the folowing side games: Mystery Dungeon Blue and Darkness (Time? It has been a little while), Ranger 1 and 2, and Colosseum.

You can't just say you want to be leader and not do anything, you have to prove that you have what it takes to be leader. I haven't seen you update or improve any walkthrough articles so maybe you should do something for this project first before asking to become leader. Tyler and KCorp4000 have a much better chance at being leader than you, because they have actually done work for this project. —♥ Jello^talk 19:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above message. If you don't do much, or even anything in the section, why should you be leader? I personally think that the two most active users could be co-leaders, sort of like CharacterDex is. They expanded most of the walkthroughs, and were among those who established consistency throughout the walkthroughs, as well as put more walkthroughs for sidegames on the to-do list. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 02:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok I'll start working! Gamerater888 13:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I can be a leader!!!

Can I be the leader of Project Walkthroughs? I have 12 years of experience in the Pokemon games, and have the strategy guides necessary to secure the information on the walkthroughs. Please vote for me! --Pokemon26 23:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't work like that. Read the above post and you'll see why. —♥ Jello^talk 23:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added some to the walkthrough for Platinum.--Pokemon26 02:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Blue Rescue Team

Is there someone I can talk to about the Walkthrough mentioned above? There are two unneeded pages about it that stop progress on the walkthrough. SuperAmpharos 01:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess you can talk to anybody. I'll try to answer your questions, maybe because I've been trying to complete MD2 walkthrough. How are they unneeded? It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 01:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The info in the two are already covered. And the page is Chapter six, another Chapter Six can't be made. (It's next in the sequence.) SuperAmpharos 02:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Either write over them with the new content or put {{delete}} on the page if you want to start fresh. The first option is probably easier. —darklordtrom 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I had thought about doing that, but didn't know if I was allowed. Thanks. SuperAmpharos 19:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

My Nominations

I'm not sure what to do without a leader. Maybe Pokemaniac72, Chiefboz, Gagaromamah, Eeveemaniac, or Kimori-Hinoarashi. Those are my nominations. Come to my userpage to tell me who you vote for. Loghomewill 02:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Loghomewill. This is really a mater for the Editorial Board to decide on, but thanks for your input. —darklordtrom 03:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

sorry, i just like leadership Loghomewill 03:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Leader

I can be a leader like, I played all main games, many times + some side games-- Gagaromamah, Your Little Monster 09:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. You've only made through walkthrough pages according to your contributions. Though I have no authority in this situation. It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 02:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

EV Yields on the Available Pokémon Tables

I had an idea that on the tables of the available Pokémon, at the end we could add a column giving their EV Yield. Not only would this be useful for seeing how to EV train in the area you are, but also to see where else you can EV train. Now I know that as of now, it's easily possible to click on the page of the Pokémon, but that can be time consuming, especially if there are a lot of different Pokémon in that area. And for people who have slow computers and/or internet connections, I can imagine that it adds a whole new level of frustration.

Now it wouldn't be necessary to include the whole EV Yield, because that would obviously take up a lot of space. A simple "Speed: 1," or "Attack: 2" would do just fine. And for Pokémon whole give EVs in more than one, we could Easily do a "Defense: 1" and "Sp. Defense: 1" with a line break in between. I think this is a great idea, but obviously the decision is up to you guys. Igglybuff63 19:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Partipication

Is there still space for more contributors? I am playing trough LeafGreen, and I thought I could help. DeadUniverse ^Hello! 13:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The member list is misleading, since there's only a handful of people who really contribute much. The FR/LG walkthrough is actually complete, but there are plenty of guides that still need work. — ^KC 16:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon Footer

Some while ago, I tried to help with the Mystery Dungeon Walkthrough. I noticed that there is no supposed 'Mystery Dungeon Colour' does not exist. I know that we fudge this by just saying "Continue to <Chapter Name>" but to me it seems a little bit clumsy. Is there another way?----Chalkwriter 17:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The colours can be specified in the prevnexts with the game and game2 parameters. Those parameters don't do anything else, so you can make them MD Red and MD Blue for the first games, MD Time and MD Darkness for the second pair, and leave out game2 for the Sky parts, putting game as MD Sky. The only issue I see is that the template is set up to only handle the parts of the pages as "Section #" rather than "Chapter #". Does anyone have an issue with them being moved from (for example) Appendix:Mystery Dungeon walkthrough/Chapter 1 to Appendix:Mystery Dungeon walkthrough/Section 1 ? If not, then they may as well be moved for consistency, since all the other games seem to use the section notation. Werdnae (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon side games

Is anyone going to do the side games? I can do Poképark Wii and the last two Ranger games! [[User:Pokabu82 22:11, 17 January 2011 (UTC)]]

Great. We need a bit of help with those (I've noticed that they need a bit of work). I can work on the Ranger games with you if you want me to.----Chalkwriter 15:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, PLEASE!!! I have a friend who is helping me but her DS died and she doesn't have a charger! I think only 3 people are helping, so I need a lot of help! What Ranger games do you own? Pokabu82 21:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

All of them. Just tell me what you need me to do.----Chalkwriter 11:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I am doing the Guardian Signs, but we only have 2 paragraphs. :( Can you help me get that done? It is a HUGE task, so it is hard to do by yourself. Pokabu82 14:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon in Mystery Dungeon

For the Pokémon that appear in a dungeon, can we use the ones already posted on the dungeon's page? Pokabu82 00:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

That's what I do.----Chalkwriter 11:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Pokabu82 14:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

HG/SS events

can I make a walkthrough page for this topic, as in part 31?- unsigned comment from Master crazy hand (talk • contribs)

Two Mystery Dungeon walkthroughs?

Is there any need for two of them? (Also, I think the prev-next template should go on the chapter walkthrough as well). --☆YoshisWorld☆ 00:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I meant Sky, if this leads to any confusion. --☆YoshisWorld☆ 00:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Rumble Blast

If (and when) I get the game, should I write down most info as I go along to make a walk through of this very new game? (The only reason I don't own a copy because it hasn't come out in my country (2nd of December) and I have shipping issues and cannot access American copy. Epsilonexus 16:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Battle Revolution & Emerald

For Christmas I got Pokemon emerald and Pokemon battle Revolution. Having gotten through a lot of them, I came here for some tricks for getting past the Petalburgh gym and stargazer colosseum. And what do I find? A half completed Emerald walk through and a bairly started PBR walkthrough! these walkthroughs are in need of some love! I'm restarting both of my games, but this is to much for one person to do alone..... Someone willing to help? - unsigned comment from Volcronaperson (talk • contribs)

Platinum needs some love too! I'll try and fix it up. Volcronaperson 18:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Top of the Sections

I noticed that some pages in the Emerald Walkthrough — that is, Sections 1, 2, 3, 7, and 9 as of this writing (although the 9th one is somewhat different) — each have an intro at the top indicating that it is "part of a walkthrough for Emerald". Only these pages have this, however. I know we require this for older games that have since been remade (namely Red and Blue and Gold and Silver) to indicate that the pages are for the older games and not the newer ones. However, I think it makes a lot of sense to have that one-sentence intro on every walkthrough page stating that it's "part of a walkthrough for <game>". I know the page title might say "Appendix:Emerald walkthrough/Section 3" at the top, but it can be tough on the eyes to have to make sure you're in the right walkthrough and the right section from this long title, especially when you're unfamiliar with wikis and what things like namespaces are. Agree, disagree? - poikins 09:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Since there's been no response, an admin had reverted my own additions of this, and no other walkthroughs have them, I'm going to assume that walkthrough sections are not going to have intro's any time soon. - poikins 04:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Japanese names of trainers

In the later games, where trainers were given names, I can see that some parts of walkthroughs include the trainers' Japanese names on their trainer stats while others don't. Should the Japanese names be included once and for all or not? Arceus101 (talk) 02:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Inconsistent Pokemon Locations

Looking over the Walkthroughs thus far, namely for the 1-4 gen games, I noticed something a bit odd: the Pokemon locations don't reflect between the guides for the main versions and the solitary versions of the games. As an example, here is the second page for the Gold and Silver Walkthrough, and here is the matching page for the Crystal Walkthrough. Looking at the Available Pokemon section for Route 30, you'll see that, in the GS one, it doesn't show that any of those Pokemon also appear in Crystal, despite having a section for it. Vice versa for the Crystal walkthrough, which despite having columns to show Pokemon in Gold and Sliver, does not list any of the Pokemon as being in those games.

This is consistent amongst the first four generations' games and I just wanted to ensure this wasn't by design or a glitch with the templates, and if it can be fixed, I will gladly take a look through them to make the fixes. --PinballWizzrobe (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

If I understand you, I'm pretty sure the tables only show GS or Crystal encounters because the guides are only for GS or Crystal. The other columns exist because that's how the table's template works, and it's not worth creating a template that doesn't have the extra/"empty" columns just for the walkthroughs. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:05, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

"Every location where the player can obtain a Pokémon, wild or gift, should include the Catch templates pulled directly from the location's page. Exclude any data that is irrelevant to the current guide (Pokémon found only in Emerald can be left out of the Ruby/Sapphire guide, and vice-versa). Also, each table should be listed with the highest encounter rate first, and decreasing from there. If multiple species have the same rate, they should then be listed in National Dex order." (from Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs/Structure/Core series

Any pages that don't comply should be fixed. --Abcboy (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon exclusive to the third games I understand, but I refer more to common Pokemon that show up in all three or at least one of the duo games and the solitary (in your example, Lotad on Route 102 which shows up in Sapphire and Emerald). Given the rule you cited, I feel like that means, technically, the pages don't comply.

As for response to Tiddlywinks, I understand if it's a matter of irrelevance, but it is somewhat distracting that the spaces are there and seem to indicate that those Pokemon DON'T show up in those versions. --PinballWizzrobe (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Daisuke-chan!

Hey, remember that one awesome game from like ages ago? Pokemon Sapphire? Well, on Route 111, several cool things show up if you remember. You encounter your second mach bike climbing area, your first resting house, and the introduction of secret power. Also on this route is a few wild pokemon, 6 berry bushes, and two trainers.... Wait... Two? That's not right. Have we forgetten my friend Daisuke, training on top of the mountain/hill you can only access with a mach bike. He's up there training 24-7, ripening those nice EVs for us for our playthrough, and he is ignored. I have come to help my friend in need. Please, remember the fainted pokemon! Respect its defeat! Respect my friend and rival in his conquest for the strength only a pokemon battle will provide! Give credit where credit is do, and return him to his home. Part 6 of the walkthrough has neglected to mention his determination, and it must be corrected! (018065 (talk) 02:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC))

Optional areas

You know how Pokemon games have sidequests and optional areas that can be done in any order, or not done at all? Is there some kind of rule saying that we have to mention them in a certain order in our walkthroughs? sumwun (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Nobody responded for a few months, so I guess now I can make up my own rule and start editing walkthroughs according to that.

• A location becomes "mostly accessible" when the player can battle half of its trainers (or collect half of its items, in case of a tie).
• Locations that become required after they become "mostly accessible" get their own section when they become required.
• Locations that become "mostly accessible" after they become required or never become required get one section when they become "mostly accessible". Walkthroughs shouldn't revisit every single pond when the player gets surf.

sumwun (talk) 09:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

More about optional areas

Should sections about optional areas state that those areas are optional? sumwun (talk) 06:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Not yet available wild Pokémon

There are some wild Pokémon that are always available in a location, but can't be found until later in the game. The best examples are Pokémon found by fishing or surfing, they are always there, but can't be found until the player gets the apropriate Fishing Rod or is able to use Surf (or the Poké Ride or Secret Technique).

The problem here is that there seems to be no pattern on whether or not those Pokémon are listed on Walkthrough pages. My question is: is there a rule or convention saying if we should list those Pokémon or not (maybe it is just not followed)? Then if there isn't, we should create one now and try to apply it. Suic12- (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen any sort of rule or convention either. I think they should be not included the first time the walkthrough goes through that location, so this way the pages load faster. They definitely should be included when the walkthrough backtracks there. sumwun (talk) 02:24, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

How to Participate

Hi, I'm a new contributor. I was wondering how exactly I participate in editing walkthroughs and had a few questions.

First, is there a specific list that I have to be on to edit in this project? I was reading some of the above comments about a list of contributors and someone asked if there was still "room for more contributors." Do I need to be on this list, or am I free to simply edit?

Second, is it appropriate to add on to a walkthrough that is incomplete, but in progress? For example, the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Time and Darkness guide is complete only up to chapter 7: The Guild's Big Expedition. If someone else is working on this guide, would it be inappropriate to continue on where they left off, or is it an open editing project? EeveeAlchemist (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you can edit whatever you want as long as you improve the walkthrough. I've made a lot of edits without ever being added to any sort of list (other than Bulbapedia's list of users). sumwun (talk, contribs) 20:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Got it, thank you! EeveeAlchemist (talk) 22:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Rival Battle template

I've noticed that the templates for the Rival battles seem to be unnecessarily large once their teams get more pokemon. For example, there is blue's team in Pokemon Yellow once it gets to the point where his eevee will evolve into one of the then-three evolutions. Is it possible to shrink or adjust them at all so that they fit on the pages properly? 09MurphyM (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)