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Sun2020

Hey! I have a strong reason to believe Sun2020 (talk • contribs) is yet another sockpuppet of Kittystyler (talk • contribs). Sun2020's writing style for this edit to Ash Ketchum is extremely reminiscent of Kittystyler's old writing style for this edit to the same article. Do you think you can look into it? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Why does Kittystyler refuse to give up? I find these repeated comebacks very tiresome. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Because they're a troll, especially considering they refused to even acknowledge the existence of their original talk page when they were still active here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

They were indeed Kittystyler and have been dealt with.--Force Fire 05:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Archive 10

I removed the link to an image that doesn't exist on the Archives in the topic I wrote. Special:Diff/3090821 --キーＡコン 10:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Template approval

If you have the time, please let me know if User:Daniel Carrero/Puzzle needs anything to be approved (any change in contents, layout, etc.). If/when possible, I'd like it to be moved back to the template namespace. I also asked about aproving it on Discord, though I'm still waiting to see if anyone will reply there.

I created that template and used it in these pages:

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I think asking staff who has more knowledge on the side games would give a better opinion.--Force Fire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Pseudo-legendary

Hi Force Fire, thanks for adding Dragapult to the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon article (which I requested on Discord since I don't have edit access). The box for Dragapult is bigger than the other boxes in the first section, though. Qzekrom (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm aware that the Dragapult image is large, I did try to resize it to make it smaller (as to make the template even with the others) but felt that it made the image look too small and unidentifiable, so I just left it as is.--Force Fire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way make it smaller for the section that shows all Pseudo-legendary Pokémon together? It jsut getting clutter up and hard to see them all.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

That's the section I was talking about. Felt that making the Dragapult image smaller made the image unidentifiable.--Force Fire 06:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Two things

Why did you revert me at those pages about types?
I'm still waiting for approval of these pages:
- User:TheICTLiker4/E O
- User:TheICTLiker4/Template:NewMove

Please respond quickly. --TheICTLiker4 08:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Mass updates involving multiple article must be approved by a staff member. You can't just do as you please.
None of those are up to standards, especially the latter.--Force Fire 09:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay. I will follow this rule, even while moving pages.
Both pages are marked for mainspacing, and they're awaiting approval. “[...] especially the latter” — you are wrong, as some content is hidden by <includeonly> because if not, the page would be in categories reserved for move pages, and SnorlaxMonster has fixed that. --TheICTLiker4 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Granted I didn't really look at the coding and just saw the template as is and thought that it looked incomplete and far too different to that actual "NewX" templates that we have.--Force Fire 01:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

But what about the first page I listed in this subject (User:TheICTLiker4/E O)? --TheICTLiker4 20:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

What's the point?

Why did you revert my episode title changes? SM003 is CLEARLY a pun, that's not difficult to see at all. We've added pun titles before. So why not now? And the others were put in the correct order of the Japanese title (not the translations of them) and added with words that needed to be added, like "region", when region is clearly in the title and has been included in other episode titles that had the Japanese characters for the word "region" in them before? Why stop now? We don't NEED to rely off translations from people over at Serebii. Other people CAN add titles as well. If there's a problem with them, at the very least explain why, I'm so annoyed with you being angry at me. Playerking95 (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

And I've done nothing wrong to deserve this from just a single admin. Playerking95 (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I rolled back your edit on the episode list article based off your SM003 edit. The other changes, while questionable, were fine. As for SM003, as we discussed before, not everything is a pun. "Fushigi da ne" can be an actual phrase. Just because "fushigi" is in the title, doesn't automatically make it a pun.--Force Fire 10:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Template edit request

Given the fact that Go is on a pretty constant catching spree, should the category for episodes in which a main character obtains a new Pokémon be included in the new episode template? Kinda like how the category for Mythical Pokémon appearances was included in it while Ash had Meltan/Melmetal in his active team? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought up the suggestion with the other staff members.--Force Fire 16:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Having the category there before the episode airs is a bit assumptious, especially if said episode isn't an episode where Go catches anything. So the category is not going in the template.--Force Fire 06:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Noise Reduction on Gen 8 Pokemon images

I've done some easy experimenting with noise reduction on the grainy Pokemon images in photoshop, with much improved quality. Was wondering if there was any reason this hasn't been done already. Lanthanum (talk) 05:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Pichu Posse members

Dear ForceFire,

I've been in the process of reviewing the appearances of the Pichu Brothers and their associates in the anime. However I noticed there were some Pokémon listed on the Pichu Brothers page as members of the Posse who wouldn't fit the description of being a "friend" and are simply recurring wild Pokémon such as Snorlax, Houndour and the Squirtle Squad. Feraligatr and Murkrow other recurring wild Pokémon, that are yet to have a mention anywhere, however their appearances are brief like the others. Should they have separate sections on the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page or should all the recurring Big Town Pokémon be listed on one page with the subsections "Pichu Brothers", "Pichu Posse" and "Other Big Town Pokémon"? Regards, PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo my Wedgehurst edit?

You didn't even leave a reason why.] ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not notable. The other trainers "not noticing the Slowpoke" isn't notable either. The nurse knowing it isn't suppose to be some in-universe thing. Just like the bulletin boards in Black and White announcing the Pokemon outbreaks, it's not meant to be an in-universe thing where everyone in that universe knows about the outbreak (I don't recall other NPC characters commenting on the B/W outbreaks).--Force Fire 12:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Origins Corrections

Hello! I am new to bulbapedia and I saw you reverted some of my changes to the verb conjugation implying uncertainty in two different articles. You mentioned that I would be allowed to do this in the future in the case that I have an official source. What constitutes an official source in this case? I ask because I would be willing to write to someone (maybe a developer?) in order to get confirmation but I do not wish to do this if it is unlikely written confirmation would not count as an official source. Are interviews with developers acceptable? Ideally, if you could link me to some sort of list that includes examples of acceptable sources that would be very helpful for me. Thank you for your time. DeterministicSpaceRichard (talk)

An interview with the original Japanese (or Western, in James Turner's case) designer is the absolute source. An example would be the interview with Pikachu's designer where she revealed its origin. We don't have a list because interviews with the designers regarding Pokemon origins are scarce.--Force Fire 04:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

why did you revert my edit?

I'm completely new to editing this wiki and was wondering why you undid my first edit? You didn't leave a reason in the reversion's edit summary and I didn't think my edit was "bad". Is there some policy about the trivia/name origin section I don't know about? - unsigned comment from Twisted Code (talk • contribs)

I had already removed that previously, as I felt that it was not really necessary to point out.--Force Fire 05:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

By that standard, what makes anything else on this wiki "necessary", especially stuff in the trivia section? I don't really understand the line you're drawing, as it seems like it could go either way. Then again, I'm new here so what do I know?¯\_(ツ)_/¯--Twisted Code (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

If you don't mind me inserting myself, I think that that's a worthy trivia point. I didn't realize it until reading it here. It's the exact kind of thing I'd expect to see in a trivia section. --celadonk (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Trivia point, sure. Just don't think it's worth pointing out in the name origin section as the line before already conveys what is being said well enough without trying to be witty.--Force Fire 07:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

maybe we could move the "based on a unicorn" trivia point altogether then? Seems that point being in *specifically* the name origin subsection is the issue. I'd like to point out the pun one way or another, as I thought it was a clever quip from the developers.--Twisted Code (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Uh... no. That line is meant to be in the origins sections as it's detailing what Galarian Ponyta might be based off. The extra bit about "unique horn" isn't necessary.--Force Fire 06:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

... And "unique horn" supports that point that it "might be" based on a unicorn. I don't see what the big deal is here, or why one piece of trivia is more "necessary" than any other piece? Is there some sort of rule against acknowledging puns (even to support another point) or something? --Twisted Code (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

After a bit of thought and reading one of Wikipedia's (a.k.a. the mother of all wikis or "MOAW") policies concerning impasses like this, I've decided I'm willing to just leave it go. Mostly because I know you're an admin and I don't feel like challenging the "staff won't bite" claim in the template:welcome message, but also because this impasse is such an enigma to me that it doesn't feel worthwhile trying to understand it — especially in light of the policy I mentioned (which presumably also applies to any wiki created in the same spirit of collaboration). That said, please register and take into account my STRONG objection to your decision in this matter, and on that note, have a nice day :-)--Twisted Code (talk) 22:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response. It saying that Galarian Ponyta might be based of a Unicorn is suffice enough, without the need to be witty or smart. Like I said, if anything, the pun goes in the main trivia section, not the name origin section. As for the Wikipedia policy, we are not Wikipedia. We do not share the same rules or guidelines (well, we might share some, but not all, and definitely not that one).--Force Fire 04:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I accept that explanation, though I'm struggling slightly to reconcile it with my original thinking (though in any case, my initial question is settled). As for the thing about Wikipedia: yes I realize this is not Wikipedia, nor is it a project belonging to Wikimedia; what I meant by what I said was that, as both wikis are, by nature, collaborative projects and that policy is conducive to cooperation, I felt it could be applicable here, not that it would actually be enforced because, as you said, this isn't Wikipedia. Sorry about that, I should've been more clear.--Twisted Code (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Sobble's Origin for Trivia Section

We know Sobble is based on a chameleon and it says that's it's Water-typing is based on the basilisk lizard, but here's another thing you could add which makes a lot of sense (like how it also connects to water). Below are the reasons/facts and links.

Because of its color scheme and type, Sobble could be based on the Veiled chameleon. Even though it's not aquatic, it has a special adaption to collect water in its habitat where there is little water. This species of chameleon has a casque (the helmet-like protrusion on top of its head) that collects water. At night, droplets of moisture roll down the casque and into the chameleon's mouth.

The way the droplets flow down the Veiled chameleon's face could give the illusion that it's crying which could explain the teardrop markings on Sobble's face. The adult males of this species have defined bands of blue and yellow. Those two colors are part of Sobble's color scheme.

Here are the links for more information: https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/chameleon (As you scroll down, start reading where is says "A water-catching casque.") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veiled_chameleon

Here is a picture of the adult male Veiled chameleon: https://flchams.com/chameleon/adult-veiled-chameleons-for-sale/ Macpika (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Its behavior and appearance is similar enough, you can add it if you want to, just remember to use "may be based off" or "appears to be based off" rather than "is based off", since it's still speculation.--Force Fire 05:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding Tabs

ForceFire, How do I add tabs to pages? I want to add a trivia tab to a move page, G-Max Wind Rage. How do I do that? PeakA (talk) 18:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

How is that correct?

[1] Isn't it pronounced "home-ige"? Thus it should be "a" instead of "an". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

You need to google how to pronounce it. It comes in two English-speaking flavors and isn't worth making a change for. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm being a pest, but the first result I found is literally "hom·age". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

And underneath that is how to pronounce it. "/ˈ(h)ämij/" The h is in parentheses for a reason. If you straight up google 'herb' like you did with homage, you'll get the same thing, even tho we don't say the 'h' at all. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I think you picked a poor example, because everyone I hear that says "herb" uses the "h". However, it's clear I'm not going to make any progress talking about this, so you'll probably be happy to know that I give up. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Question

Do you believe that Ōkido (オーキド) means anything in Japanese? Wc12271991 (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

Now that Ash has captured a Dragonite, can you unlock the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon page so I can add that information to it, please? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The pseudo legendary page is never getting unprotected. If an edit needs to be made, request it on the talk page of the article or go to an admin.--Force Fire 04:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Vandal

We have a vandal on the loose. Could you or some other admin do something about them? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Never mind. They were just dealt with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

New page

Thank you,ForceFire for helping me out in the talk. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Split

Could the Wyndon Stadium article be split to have a subpage for the Champion tournaments the same way as "Pokémon League (Alola)" was split to have a separate subpage for Title Defense? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought the suggestion up to the others. I personally wouldn't mind it being split, since the page is already large.--Force Fire 05:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Please let me know when a decision is made. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Recurring definition?

I'm confused. Please explain why Meowth was removed from the recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page? I agree that he is a main character, however he is also a wild Pokémon that has been featured in than one episode, meeting the recurring wild Pokémon criteria. Recurring means just that occurring again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Meowth doesn't appear every now and then, he appears in every episode (bar B/W, but that has already come and gone), which is the direct opposite of being recurring.--Force Fire 16:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Speaking of other things not meeting the criteria … the list of Ash's temporary traveling companions has some questionable additions.

Ritchie was simply encountered and is listed even though his appearances over three episodes was part of the Team Rocket-Lugia arc, plus Oliver and Luka who appeared during the same period are not.

Zoey, while she appeared across multiple episodes in Snowpoint City, she simply met up with the group rather than traveled with them.

Dia is another questionable addition, and while he appeared in two episodes, it was only while Ash was in the alternate dimension. Your thoughts? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 23:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Can Mewtwo of the original series be added? It appeared in two main episodes and multiple specials. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Zeraora matches the definition of a recurring wild Pokémon: a wild Pokémon that appears in more than one episode and has some enough notable sort of involvement in the plot. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there is a criteria for Ash's temporary travelling companions, but I think the idea should be if they're with Ash for more than three episodes and travel from place to place, they should be added. Which I guess would discount Dia. Get second opinions.

I'm not sure if major movie characters count? I know there's Slowking there, but it doesn't play a major role in its movie. As for Zeraora, I think it comes down to how many episode appearances counts as "recurring". I don't think Zeroara as much as most of the Pokemon on the recurring article.--Force Fire 10:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've sought a second opinion. Thanks for the replies on today's queries. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

BW058?

I saw the change made to BW058. However I based those additions on the fact that Gym Leader's Pokémon evolving like Roark's Cranidos has been listed in the past, plus Chili is a recurring character and also the brother of Cilan. - unsigned comment from PardescanSlowbro (talk • contribs)

Roark's Cranidos evolving is notable as it effects Ash's battle with him. The additions you made to BW058 weren't that major and didn't need to be elaborated on.--Force Fire 09:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Upload problem

I belong to the autoconfirmed members group and recently created my userpage. I can't upload any images and it denied permission saying I must be autoconfirmed. Please look into this issue and I also have have a lot of images from the new series, that I want to upload!! Dhiwakar (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Image uploading is done over at the Archives, and you have to be autconfirmed over there. Autoconfirmation on the archives is separate than on Bulbapedia. So you have to make some edits on the Archives to become autoconfirmed.--Force Fire 12:40, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ForceFire for your advice --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I have a doubt,is there any colour difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the pokémon anime? Can you please say something about it! --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

About Dinamax/Gigantamax in the anime

When a Poké evolves, here it usually says "x took y episodes to evolve" or something. How will you do with Pokémon that reach that level?For example, I'm doing a Gyarados'page for Lance. I put something like Lance's Gyarados took xxx episodes to dinamax (is that the name we should put?)? Where is this kind of information going to be? In the box with the animal's information?Are there any rules or tutorials already done explaining this? I really appreciate it if you can help me.--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 13:54, 02 February 2020 (UTC)

That's probably not going to be noted in the infobox, we don't note "how long" it took for a Pokemon to Mega Evolve. If anything, that goes into the main history section of the article.--Force Fire 15:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 16:08, 02 February 2020 (UTC)