Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 1

Um, TTEchidna, you put down that Arseus can become an ???-type Pokémon by holding a ??? Plate. Where'd you get that from?--Pokencyclopedia 21:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Man u have got to be kidding me Arceus catch rate should not be 3. I used my Action replay to get the item 4 arceus then i went and caought it on my 5th dusk ball. My friend caought it on him 1st ultra ball. Another friend i gave the item 2 caught it on his 2nd qiuck ball.

Man, you have to be kidding me, you can't even spell the word "you" right. Arceus's catch rate is 3. If you'll notice, those balls multiply the catch rate formula by quite a bit, which greatly increases the chance to be caught. Plus, it's all on luck, I've had Magikarp break out of balls before. --TTEchidna 22:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added an alternative origin to Arceus's name that I found on: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=286767.Draconium 23:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there a point...

Is there a point of having a table for each of the plates when it is attached to Arceus? We could just have Arceus without a plate, and then have each title with an image and a sentence saying what type Arceus changes to. For Example:

Type effectiveness

File:493Arseus.png

Sprite for Template:Type2 Arceus

No plate equipped

Sprite for Template:Type2 Arceus

With Flame Plate

When the Flame Plate is attached to Arceus, it becomes a Fire type.

etc... Tesh 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I have this picture:

I did not draw it. I want to use it on the page. It is much better than trying to stare at a tiny sprite. --Stinkoman 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Better than a sprite for sure, but it'd be nice if we could find one without such bad compression artifacts. Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur 22:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should really be using an unofficial image for the page. What would be nice is if somebody could get a nice, high-quality (as in NOT a photo of the monitor) screenshot of ARceus from PBR.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean hack an Arceus and copy it into PBR?

File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{Talk | DP} 11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sprites?

Should we include separate sprite templates for all of the forms, or just do it for one? I know that Unown and Castform, among others, would serve the same problem. TTEchidna 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Art?!

I'd like to know the source of Arceus' picture. Mainly because it hasn't been revealed yet. TinaTheKirlia 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a piece of fanart. --DarkfireTaimatsu 02:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought, although there was an edit that said "Official Art" or something and it was rather confusing. TinaTheKirlia 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we should replace that art with a sprite. It seems inaccurate... Mariocaper 19:19, 20 September 2007

Yeah, and we could enlarge the size of the sprite so it won't be that tiny anymore, right? Optimus35^{Talk | DP} 06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Enlarged sprites look terrible. --DarkfireTaimatsu 06:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't we get a PBR screenshot? And I mean a screenshot, not someone pointing their camera at a television? (We need that for Rosy and Sashay, too...)--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't, my FRAPS only works on full screen games like Maple Story...I think we could take the Arceus photo, enlarge it and sharpen it a little, then put it back on bulba. The only problem with this is that the sprite would be oversize...

I hope that you have permission to use that piece of fan art. --☆ケンジガール 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I've got five PBR shots. They're all in my sandbox. Click on the links under 'Arceus'. Tell me which one looks best on my talk page and I'll upload it onto Bulbagarden Archives...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆File:Ani282MS.gif 09:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Change the pic! Crystallucario 14:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason why we're not changing it is because it's nicely done fanart, and it's more easier to look at this instead of a sprite.

Otherwise it'd be absolute hell for me to draw Arceus. Still is, but certainly more easier than looking at a sprite. :p Tina ^δ♫ 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

hmmm maybe ok whatever... [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

...except, do we have permission to use the image? The image page doesn't seem to claim it at all, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that we're doing something illegal or at least unethical here. Seriously, why can't we just use a PBR shot?KrytenKoro 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Metronome

My Mew used Judgement through Metronome. Should I include something like this under "Trivia":

Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.

--Shiny Noctowl^{Talk | Contribs}File:Ani480MS.gif 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i could draw arceus if that would help. i like drawing pokémon. talonclawz new comer!!!!!!!!!! File:Ani444MS.gif

Shishigami?

Should any mention of the Forest Spirit Shishigami from Miyazaki Hayao's Mononoke-Hime be mentioned in the article? Arceus seems to have a resemblance to Shishigami. In addition, on the illegal hacked Pokémon Diamond (Telefang Power), Shishigami appears on the front, despite not having anything to do with the game (that's the way those criminals work), and then in the real Pokémon Diamond, Arceus was added. Does anyone else think that some trivia should be added about this? ~Kumori Satosuke

Outside of the whole quadrupedal thing, I don't think there's anything else that's official to suggest a connection. For example, Arceus seems to be nothing outside of a creator, while shishigami is given dominion over life and death.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. There really isn't anything linking the two other than a vague (And I do mean VAGUE.) resemblance. --Dual 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

??? type sprite may prevent crash

Just a theory, but the programmers at Game Freak may have drawn and programmmed a ??? type Arceus to prevent game crashes. Anyone with a code patcher can figure out how to change a Pokémon's type. They might have figured that someone would tamper with Arceus's type, and if they changed it to a ??? type, and there was no sprite for it, the game would crash because it would try loading data that does not exist. That's my theory anyway. Fsilone 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

That's really logical. figure that by yourself? But I still don't know if we should put that in the article.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

im a little iffy on the grammer, but other than that i think its a fantastic theory and should be in the trivia section. excellent. now all i need to do is figure out how to do it myself in my game with the Action Replay... File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTALKFile:Ani462MS.gif 02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You can't - you need to edit the rom data - action replay only edits temporary and save data. Think so anyway. 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I don't see anything grammatically wrong. I copied the words above and reworded it into sentences.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 02:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

yea, im probibly wrong, im not joking when i say i failed english class......twice...with a 54..... File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTALKFile:Ani462MS.gif 03:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

what the heck is shishigami? is it a pokémon?(someone out there?) -talonclawz new comer!!!!! File:212MS.gif 1:06, 5 April 2008

No. Wait a minute if you don't know that Errr...how new are you to Pokémon?Crystal Lucario 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A shishigami is a Japanese god of death. LordKaien 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Type2 Sprite

File:Question-Type Arceus Before.jpg

Before

File:Question-Type Arceus After.jpg

After

How long has the sprite of ???-type Arceus been pulling that vanishing act? Basically, the only time you can see the sprite is when the white background on PNG-format images is still visible, as seen in the Before shot. Once the white backgrounds vanish, the rest of the sprite should still be there. However, on ???-type Arceus, the sprite vanishes along with the background, as seen in the After shot. Is there a way to fix this?

(The shots in question come from an area of my own user page, specifically a favorite move tag programmed for a ???-type move and Curse with the Arceus sprite in question for a laugh. The 2000-edits in a month tag above it is also shown for comparison.) --Shiningpikablu252 05:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That's weird that it just disappears! --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 11:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Pic

Okay, I remember Urutapu saying something about a screenshot of Arceus from PBR. Well, I got a Wii and PBR for Christmas. And I have *cough*cheated*cough* four Arceuses. All I need now is a good-quality emulator that can screenshot my Wii with. Any suggestions? --Stinkoman

Somehow theres a way of putting a SCART socket into your PC and running it through that. My mate's computer can do that but i think it had the socket when he bought it. File:Ani258MS.gifOrigamiGuy Lieks MudkipzFile:Ani258MS.gif

Officially been revealed

Until this Pokemon has been officially revealed (by Nintendo or Coro Coro magazine) this page should be removed, because the only reason why there is proof of its existence is through a hacking or cheating device.

WHAT! This page should be included on here. If it is in the Game, weather or not if it has been reaveled, it IS STILL IN THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE MADEC Isfor Cookie

Yea, this page is about a Pokémon. In case you don't know (hopefully you do), this is a Pokémon encyclopedia. This page is like mandatory. --Theryguy512 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. We have pages for all Pokémon officially programmed into the games. Would you come here before Deoxys was revealed and say "NUH UH THERE'S ONLY 201 IN HOENN DEOXYS IS A HAKKER ONLY POKEMAN." Arceus is official, they're just holding off on the official revelation. Besides... plenty of Pokémon from each generation were never revealed through CoroCoro or by Nintendo individually. TTEchidnaFire echy 07:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I may only be 10, but take it from me. Arceus is real. It is on pokemon.com's pokedex.DaPikanator56 18:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Well, actually, it's not on the PokéDex on Pokemon.com, but yes, it is real. --Theryguy512 13:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

An example of what TTE said would be the Porygons. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊02:32 30 Mar 2008

Oh yeah! It and ummm... Shaymin I think aren't Theryguy.DaPikanator56 18:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Shaymin has been acknowledged by official Japanese sources. And to address the original point, we are not Wikipedia. Everyone knows that Arceus is real, so this page is a necessity. Hell, we have articles for a lot of glitch Pokémon so a real one definately passes. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

True...Oh, and by the way, in the summer I will shorten my visits here, but this place rules! It ain't demented like Chuckie Cheese's.

) ^-^DaPikanator56 22:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Picture

I found this picture interesting, but low quality. its on www.pokebeach.com --Britannia's Blade 21:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Good find, but it's already linked from the article right here. --Johans 23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I also just found this one **** Fan art of course but very serious looking, Lots more like it here what do you think? --Britannia's Blade 18:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how fanart is very notable to put up here.. >_> Tina ^δ♫ 19:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The one we have right now will do us until Arcy is revealed next year. TTEchidna 20:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What about this one? - (1) 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

-Gasp- Why not that one! Ooo, take it! TAKE IT!!! Optimatum^Talk|Links13:53 2 May 2008

TTE, Arceus isn't going 2 be revealed 4 two years yet. LordKaien 14:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Arceus and Giratina

Aren't Arceus and Giratina sort of opposites of each other because Arceus is God and Giratina is the devil sort of, I mean Arceus didn't create Giratina so that means they were the two entities before time started. Pokémon Master 17:46 15 May 2008

Maybe you're right, but i think that Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. Arceausams 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Giratina is the BOSS! It saved the two other Pokamon! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links01:04 17 May 2008

Hold on, there's no reason to get angry. Why can't we just WAIT until Arceus is officially revealed? Isn't that BETTER than argueing? Arceausams 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes it would be

Dialga + Palkia = Rivals (Time VS Space)

Giratina + Arceus = Rivals (God VS Darkness?)

So yeah, regardless of the fact Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. (Thinking about it, those four are exactly the same as my characters |: Lily = Controls Time. Darkness = Controls Space. Akito = Controls Death. Rose = Controls Life/Is a sort-of God. But anyway, my characters are irrelevant too this xD) Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

So, Arceus is God/JesusHoly Spirit, and Giratina is Satan? O.O It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links06:03 26 May 2008

Arceus is Arceus. Giratina is Giratina. TTEchidna 07:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Meh, that's the Atheist way of seeing it. Hey, wait, am I about to be stone for being anti-atheist? Damn. It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:13 26 May 2008

I didn't say Giratina was Satan, i simply said he was...darkness. Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

My question is, how do you KNOW Giratina is bad, or if Arceus is even good? How do you KNOW Giratina wasn't created by Arceus? You don't. Besides, Neither ot them are from Christianity, and U know what? I'm a devout Christian and I don't care if Arceus wasn't based off of my God. LordKaien 14:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody want to see it this way, "WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT"? Arceausams 22:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Giratina is evil. You don't have too be evil/whatever to control darkness/whatever Giratina controls. I do not think Giratina is evil! Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this text INVISIBLE? WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT! Arceausams 00:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

More sprites

Ok, so we have all the type sprites for Arceus and it's shiny sprite, but we don't have shiny forms for Arceus' other types. Could someone please tell me if it's possible to get those sprites and if so get them for us? Arceausams 12:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If i could, i would, but i can't, so i can't help you. I'm not even 100% sure Arceus's other-type sprites HAVE shiny versions of them :| Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

They do. And a simple method is to color the sprites the right color. The white portion of the body is the only part which remains constant throughout the non-shiny forms. and when it becomes shiny, the rings are the same color as those of the non-shiny ones. The only thing that differs between non-shiny and shiny is the white portion, which turns yellow. It's Da Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links06:01 26 May 2008

So... could you do that for us as a favor? Arceausams 22:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I might have those sprites on my computer somewhere. Want me to upload them? YinYang 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why not other than you apperently not knowing where they are. And someone PLEASE get rid of that fan artwork, it's unofficial up here! Arceausams 22:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Helloooooooooooooooo, its been 2 weeks. Are you going to respond? Arceausams 19:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

When?

How long before he's in a movie? Does anyone know?LordKaien 14:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Following the pattern, Arceus will be in next year's movie. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

or it'll be a lake trio, or cresselia movie. They did tha with Jirachi.LordKaien 15:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Metronome and Judgement

If a player knows nothing about Arceus, how would they know that Judgement is its signature attack? Even if it is used by a Pokémon using Metronome. So could Metronome really spoil the surprise? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really. ^^; Metronome can do ANYTHING. Even Explosion so...It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links02:54 4 Jun 2008

Well, if they were like "Ooh, what learns that?!" and can't find anyone, they'll suspect it to be some crazy legendary not yet shown. And have lived under a rock since EVERYONE KNOWS OF ARCEUS. TTEchidna 03:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, then Singapore must be under a rock. Only two people I know know what's Arceus, that includes me. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links03:12 4 Jun 2008

Or this is nintendo's way of teasing us. kinda like,

Player:"What pokémon learns this?" Nintendo:"Wait and see" Player:"You suck."LordKaien 12:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I only ask because of this quote in the trivia:

"Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans."

Plus, Nintendo has to know that the majority of their fanbase uses the internet. Every Pokémon website except the "official" ones have info on Arceus. A lot of them even before the games were released globally. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The majority of the fanbase are kids who don't necessarily visit fansites. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No (MathijsP 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

Yes. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 16:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No (MathijsP 16:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

I would have to disagree with that statement. I believe that most fans may have been kids at the beginning when Pokémon first came out, but now have grown as the series has. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

A similar thing happened to me when I was playing PBR. I ordered my Togepi to use Metronome and out came Judgment. I wondered what Pokémon used this move until I checked this site and I found Arceus. I didn't even know about its existence AT ALL when Metronome was used that one year ago... BlueJirachi 18:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Arceus's pattern in the anime?

I didn't get a second look (mainly because I deleted the episode from my DVR), but I heard in the episode "Journey to the Unknown!" that Saturn was holding a cube with Arceus's pattern on it... ShinyRayquaza 19:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Arceus + Sky Plate?

If you attach a Sky Plate to Arceus, wouldn't that make it become the first pure Flying-type Pokémon? Wynautluvr 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It is the first "permanent" pure Flying-type. The Porygon line can become Flying-types with their Conversion moves, and Kecleon can with its Color Change Ability. These Pokémon, however, revert back to Normal when the battle is over. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not permanent, in that you can change the plate and it loses the pure-flying status... Lord of Origami 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's permanent in that it doesn't go away just because the battle ends. TTEchidna 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The plates

The plates mite actually be man-made since there is understandable writing on them that the player can read in the games. The ???-type mite not hve a plate but a location to activate that effect or a differently designed plate most probably.--Nobody777 13:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• One word: Unown. MathijsP 13:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

in the games , the plates r described to have fell from the sky for an unknown reason , most probably fell from Hall of Origin but how,who ,what, why and when?--Nobody777 13:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Unknown, maybe we'll see in platinum or movie 12. MathijsP 15:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

there is something fishy about arceus's shiny form . if that shiny situation also goes with arceus that means that there is more than one .--Nobody777 07:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

This is just speculation, there is no prove. MathijsP 07:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

There are 36 Arceus. Each of them are different from the others. 18 are regular, 18 wear jewelry to make them look shiny. END.It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links10:10 22 Jun 2008

what jewelery to make them shiny?--Nobody777 11:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The ??? Plate

The ??? Plate exists, It is named mysterious plate by CodeJunkies, It may also be encountered in the underground as a Malfunction, people got this (like my brother) and attached it to ARCEUS, making the ??? type, no weaknesses are found on this type--M.vit 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, people code-spelunk like there's no tomorrow...there isn't such thing.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

can M.vit at least tell how did his brother encounter such a plate, and how does it function with other Pokémon?and what happens to a Pokémon who knows the move curse

can somebody edit this article . It says that Arceus creted the Pokémon Universe,Dragon trio and lake trio. Till now the dragon trio isn't officially confirmed. so whether I or somebody else should change the Dragon trio to the time-space duo: Dialga and Palkia.--Nobody777 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

My Theory

I believe that the ??? mark plate will exsist tin the anime because I can almost 100% sure that there will be a movie on Arceus, I then think they will give away an Arceus that has the ??? Plate or It will be avaliable in Platnuim. I do not think that it is just so hackers can make the plate. - PokePal

They'll give away Arceus in Japan next year, yes. But the presence of an item with it that is not programmed into DP is very, very unlikely. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought the ??? plate was programmed in DP! Look here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Unknown_type

No plate exists. Hackers can manipulate Arceus to make it the ???-type, but I'm not sure how that would affect the game or the move Judgment. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Could it soon exist? Where is the proof that it doesnt also? I found this about it http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/arceus.shtml They don't know if it does-PokePal